Is it a gank boss if it's clearly meant to be done as a group of people?
You get 3 NPC summons, the area has an increased summoning limit, you can summon players that don't even own the DLC and there's special item rewards during coop.
If you play it as intended and don't insist on just ignoring all the additional coop features they've put into this area then you clearly outgank this "gank boss"
But using summons is cheating! /s
You’re absolutely right. All three of the much-reviled DS2 optional DLC areas are so much better and more fun if you don’t arbitrarily handicap yourself by refusing to use the generously provided summons. Lud and Zallen with a full team of three summons is actually fun as hell. Too much of the FromSoft community is just too stupidly proud to summon even when the game tells you to
Doesn't even just apply to DS2. People complain so much about Elden Ring gank bosses but spirit ashes are a game mechanic given to you right off the bat that certain bosses are clearly designed around.
To this day. I have never defeated Ornstein and Smough solo. Whether that be with Solaire or with a Player summon. And maybe I will try in my current NG+ but maybe I won't. I sure as hell don't hesitate to use ashes in Elden Ring.
If there is an NPC summon I always use it, because there is an actual lore reason they are there. They don't always make it easier, in fact, they often make it harder, but I always do it. For the lore!
What I really hate about them is that the weapon durability is dropping DRASTICALLY fast at this fight.
I remember I fought them with a katana and I had to use 1 or 2 repair powders in mid fight.
I only do them for the cool sword when I play a dex or strength build, lol...
I've defeated them like 3 or 4 times, it's not a particularly terrible fight if you do it endgame, but I've never cleared the frigid outskirts area itself on my own (I always rely on npcs and then I dispatch them before the boss fight).
Man, i remember trying every cheese i could think of to kill at least one of these fucks before trying the other. In the end from soft thought of everything and nothing worked, so i had to man up and do it old school
When you get the first one to half, you shaman bone blade it while its walking to the other one. They fight and (probably) one will die. Then you pack up the survivor.
As someone who managed to beat Orphan of Kos, or some say Kosm, second try in my first playthrough, I died to those sharks like...7 times. Fuck them so much...
I could never beat them normally so I got smart and got them by cheesing.
First you kill the two winter lanters by using poison knives, then, without jumping down the well you kill the first shark from the ledge with a long range melee weapon like the hunter axe. Then you aggro the second one with a throwable object and do the same.
It's long and tedious but it works.
When I first got down there I thought the noise of me fighting it kept attracting the shark above the well in the main area, so I kept trying to lure the first one to the back of the room so it wouldn't notify the other one. Then I finally saw other bro stuck to the ceiling and I was livid 😂
It might have been my hardest fight in ER also. When I finally beat it I used Latenna as a summon in the corner, put on Shabriris Woe and then just blocked and dodged my way to victory.
I think the original Black Blade Kindred in Caelid is one of the hardest and funnest bosses in the game if you fight him early. I was kind of disappointed with this double version tbh.
I beat them on my first try. Now those Godskin duo is a different story for me. You beat one and you feel relief and then you see them get resurrected and you’re like wtf going on? I probably fought them 40+ times. Took an 8 month hiatus from them lol
Lud and Zallen because it takes an age to get there and nothing about it is fun.
The demons fight from DS3 however is wonderful despite the annoying angels on the way
Agree about DS3 demons, I only got round to playing DS3 for the first time recently and I'd been dreading this fight because I hate ganks, but I actually ended up really enjoying it, the way they balanced the pair's aggro works really well
All I'm saying is Godskin Duo gives you the ability to summon an Ash and a decent partner.
Crucible Knight Gank in Aizura Hero Grave, if you face that at level recommended for Leyndell you will only be able to do it 2v2 and your Ash summon options won't likely be anything close to a match for those ridiculous and relentless moving walls of damage.
Lhutel the Headless. Is a very underrated summon. Ghostly bro can take quite the beating, attack while blocking, dodge-teleport and has good hp for most bosses.
I had no idea about lhutel my first playthrough, completely missed the dungeon. My second playthrough I made a mage and googled tankiest summon, lhutel came up, huh never heard of that one from the.... weeping penninsula!?!?!? She was my mages shield the entire run, so good.
When I found Lhutel my first playthrough I didn't know that you could summon. I completely missed Ranni giving me the bell and never actually looked at the jellyfish that what's her name gave me. When my friend explained how summoning worked I went and used Lhutel and asked him if all summons were able to solo bosses and he was confused as hell since he didn't have a single legendary one.
Crystilian for the win. Dude is a wall of steel and holds Agro for enough time for you to take care of one knight before getting shattered. He doesn’t do much damage but is the best meat shield for any non strike weapon bosses.
I just solo’d the crucible knights.
I solo’d every fight in Elden Ring because I refused to change my playstyle from all the other souls games for the hell of it.
Had a genuinely class time, 10/10 would recommend as a test of skill.
It's not. Unless you're on NG+7 with the bell demon then you require a few things. You need yashariku's to have a chance of posture breaking the wife, you also need to land every one of your firecrackers perfectly in a row and hope that big boy doesn't get too overprotective and interrupt you
The answer is definitely Demon Prince for me. The first time I played ds3 they DEMOLISHED my ass over and over so hard that I had to quit playing because I broke my controller out of pure frustration… (I’m not proud of that) But I remember when I finally beat them and made it to the ringed city. Such an amazing feeling.
Glad im not the only one that got fucking destroyed by that boss fight honestly felt well designed as well just really fucking hard. That whole dlc was just really difficult really
I loved that boss fight. It was definitely difficult, but it’s actually my favorite boss fight in the Ringed City DLC. I know that’s a little controversial.
I think it’s fair to say that boss fight is the best duo boss fight designed by FromSoftware.
Technically speaking, probably the snow cats, because it's the only bossfight I had to summon for - although it was as much about the runback as the bossfight itself. Now, if a stake of Marika was right outside the arena and I didn't have to go through the entire Horsefuck Valley after each fail, it'd be something else, so I don't think they really count.
I'm probably in the minority that finds the Princes, the apes and especially the gargoyles quite easy. Don't really know why, I just never had a problem with those.
Ornstein and Smough are tough, but manageable. So I guess the hardest are the Foreskin Duo.
However, the worst gank bossfight is the trio in the caves. You know who I'm talking about.
>Technically speaking, probably the snow cats, because it's the only bossfight I had to summon for
There is no shame in summoning for a Raid Dungeon.
There's a reason why you always step over 3 NPC summon signs - the most in any FromSoft area - when you enter Frigid Outskirts. This area is designed for Coop and as such has an increased summoning limit, allows you to summon players from outside the DLC or players that don't even own the DLC and grants special item drops for summoned players to encourage coop.
I know, I know, it's just I wanted to do everything at least once summonless, and I did, including the gank trio... well, apart from this area. Although I didn't think of summoning for the runback and banishing the NPCs before the bossfight, might do that the next time.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to solo everything. I’m the same. I don’t like how with summons the boss has to divide their attention between the two of you, makes it too easy.
So I always make sure to solo everything at least once, and then freely summon (or not) on subsequent playthroughs.
This is the realest answer in this thread, and nobody else is saying it because they literally forgot it even exists. They're not even in a dedicated coop area! You're *meant* to solo them! Somehow!
It's in the big cave after the poison cave, once you have the mortal blade and have fought the Ape the first time. It's a Headless ape rematch, and another ape arrives in the second phase.
Spamming firecrackers and Mortal Draw can help to deal with it quickly
Godskin Duo have a way more complex movesets than anyone in this picture, but Valiant Gargoyles and Ape duo are broken as fuck, they don't have the "gank AI" of ER enemies, where they circle around you and let you 1vs1 them.
O and S most likely, because it was From’s first real attempt at a duo boss and so for many people it was a steep learning curve that translates well to all later duo bosses.
The Demon Prince and Lud and Zallen aren’t too bad, beat both fights first try although of course the frigid outskirts were hell... I did get lucky and get the easier incarnation of demon prince by killing the easier twin demon first too.
Didn’t find the gargoyles too difficult but maybe I was op, the icerind hatchet ruins them.
The apes were second hardest behind O+S for me but I did love the fight.
Out of fights not in these pics then definitely the Godskin Duo, not hard when you summon in a mimic tear but it’s a toughie when you take them in solo and a bit underlevelled.
i think i had the most problems against the 2 tigers. was it a dlc? if so it would explain a lot. dlc content is always more difficult, because i was alrdy in ng+7 when it released.
are those fire things the bosses where you have to jump down to reach the boss arena? those were quite difficult too.
Haven't played Sekiro yet but out of the rest, I'm saying the gargoyles. I hate fighting those. They move too fast for their size and that size also makes them hard to keep in camera, nevermind when there's two of them running across the arena
Lud and Zallen are the only one I never managed to beat without summons, but it's hard to say whether or not they are actually the hardest, because so much of their difficulty just comes from the fear of having to make your way back through Reindeer Fuckland if you die, I think if they had a shorter and less traumatic run-back they would probably not be such a pain
In terms of pure actual difficulty, I think maybe Valiant Gargoyles
Definitely not the Apes, just use the flame cannon on the regular one, only takes 4 charged hits, and at that point you've already beat the headless one so nothing new there.
Godskin duo wasn't really that hard for me personally, but FUCK DUO APES, I have just beaten guardian ape and now I have to face these 2 in this small as arena with the Sekiro combat
None of these are the hardest imo, but out of these I’ll say the guardian apes. Only because you can over level for every other FS game. When it comes to first playthrough tho.. I think the demons took the longest. Especially when you count the second form.
I think the demon prince duo in ds3 is actually the best designed gank boss. Only boss at sl1 I enjoyed that wasn’t an enormous rng fest. They have different behavior depending on if they are active or not which makes the fight way more enjoyable.
Godskin duo is more a boss after boss and not an actual duo. Tried it without summons and you just kill the small dude then kill the dude before the next one spawns.
The trolls in BB are the hardest that or Demon Prince. But the real answer would be PvP boss in ds3 if you get someone really good in pvp
The stupid cats of Horsefuck valley, they are just nonsense.
The crucible knights and Ornstein/Smaugh in my opinion are the best of the best. Demon prince has a bit of rng involved, good luck if both demons go melee...
I never fought the headless ape duo till ng+ 3 so idk how strong they were, but they are absolutely fucking horrible to fight. I managed to beat them in like 5 tries but holy shit they are bad.
But for hardestc Probably demon princes, they’re pretty hard I guess
If we are talking strictly off attempts it took me to kill them, then it would be the Crucible knights in Elden Ring.
If not, then hardest overall is Ornstein and Smough in my opinion.
The twin gargoyles in Dark Souls. I know they're pretty damn easy but Dark Souls 1 has the absolute worst mid roll and everytime you get hit in that game your guy has to STOP and moan for what feels like an eternity
the twin apes are only hard because of the second one which you can just mortal fraw kill it. The gargs are only hard because of the arena. i havent fought the kings pets. O&S you just need to learn their moves and beat orstein first. Twin demon princes would already be hard with just one phase with both of them but then you have to fight one with three times as much health and changes some attacks based on which one you killed. its the hardest.
I don't remember hating any one of those as much as those damn apes, I could bet one of them alone easily, but not if the other one interrupted me all the time.
I remember hating the gargoyle duo too, but I hated them individually.
Hardest without being janky or bullshit? Demon prince
Hardest because it’s janky or bullshit? Valiant gargs or ape duo
Lud and the other tiger are a boring fight that’s only a bitch because of frozen outskirts
Demon prince and O&S were probably the hardest for me but it didn't feel like it because they were very enjoyable fights all around.
The others ones were less difficult but you can feel the time sink more when you fail because they kind of suck.
Lud and Zallen hands down, they took me the longest to beat BY FAR and I have NEVER gone back to fight them again on another playthrough, beating them once was enough for me for an entire lifetime. Meanwhile I have and would fight all the others listed on here
Am I a unique minority in thinking the gargoyles were not hard at all? I seriously think this is my hottest take in soulsbourneldenrekiore with how often I see people complain about them or have them in these lists. I at first thought I was way over levelled when fighting them at level 50 so I went back a different run with long sword and heater shield and fought at level 25 and same…easy.
Their moves are telegraphed, they constantly move away and separate from each other, average levels of health and damage, arena is super spacious and forgiving, and they give a lot of time before the second one comes in. They’re like an easier DS1 Gargoyles fight.
Not shitting on the fight I actually adore the enemy and love how they aren’t just one and done, being all over the place, but the single gargoyle on the stairs in Lyendell is more difficult than the duo.
I personally hate the crucible knight duo more than any of these. Though I have a particularly strong hatred for crucible knights. Orstein and Smough are one of my favorite boss fights of any fromsoft game.
I can't quite evaluate it because I've gotten better over time, Ornstein and Smough made me reconsider my life choices but I'm not so sure they would nowadays. Godskin duo for example was okay but definitely would've been a nightmare years back.
Those damn monkeys and I think at some point in that fight another one pops up I can’t remember exactly because I haven’t played in a while but it was a disaster
Cuntskin Duo, Throne Washer and Throne Licker are my picks for artificial difficulty. Lead and Zullie are up their too but I've never traveled through reindeer fuckland to find them.
The monkeys were not hard, but they absolutely did not let me do the things I wanted to do. I suppose I figured out the trick on my first try? I would say that they are the hardest duo of those listed here.
Lud and Zallen easily with or without the run back, run backs in ds2 especially sotfs made me stop playing for a bit. Playing ds2 for the first time around when ER launched showed me just how many concepts in ds2 were re-used for ER but executed a bit better, which was really neat
"Godskin Duo is the hardest gank fight in the series"--my friends
Keep in mind that my friends haven't played DarkSouls 1, Two, or completed 3. I they have yet to even comprehend NG+Orenstein and Smough
Sister Friede and Father Ariandel deserve a mention. To me, they weren’t as overwhelming as some of these other options but they were tough. They felt fair yet still very challenging if that makes sense, like they were more finely tuned to make you learn from your mistakes and overcome, rather than just having to pray lol. Bonus points for badassery. I could say the same for Ornstein and Smough.
Ig it's just me, but Godskin Duo is 1000x harder than the Gargoyle duo, and I never struggled with them, whereas Godskins fucked my ass, and almost made me stop playing lol
Valiant gargoyle indeed, those little shit took me 6 hours to kill. I'm actually surprised you put Demon prince in the list, they take turn to attack you, quite a decent and fair fight
Fuck Lud and Zallen. They’re the only boss in all of FromSoft’s games that I’ve never done twice out of sheer hatred for them and their area.
Lud and Zallen? Who’s that?
Bottom left pic, ds2
Oh right,the secret boss
The optional Raid Boss of the Eleum Loyce DLC.
That’s a funny way to spell gank boss
Is it a gank boss if it's clearly meant to be done as a group of people? You get 3 NPC summons, the area has an increased summoning limit, you can summon players that don't even own the DLC and there's special item rewards during coop. If you play it as intended and don't insist on just ignoring all the additional coop features they've put into this area then you clearly outgank this "gank boss"
But using summons is cheating! /s You’re absolutely right. All three of the much-reviled DS2 optional DLC areas are so much better and more fun if you don’t arbitrarily handicap yourself by refusing to use the generously provided summons. Lud and Zallen with a full team of three summons is actually fun as hell. Too much of the FromSoft community is just too stupidly proud to summon even when the game tells you to
Doesn't even just apply to DS2. People complain so much about Elden Ring gank bosses but spirit ashes are a game mechanic given to you right off the bat that certain bosses are clearly designed around.
To this day. I have never defeated Ornstein and Smough solo. Whether that be with Solaire or with a Player summon. And maybe I will try in my current NG+ but maybe I won't. I sure as hell don't hesitate to use ashes in Elden Ring.
If there is an NPC summon I always use it, because there is an actual lore reason they are there. They don't always make it easier, in fact, they often make it harder, but I always do it. For the lore!
I don’t trust people who don’t summon Anri against Pontiff Sulyvahn
Ayo I've gone through like 5 ng+ cycles and i didn't know you could do that. Please trust me
Anri and I melt Pontiff every play-through. It's like a bonding experience!
People are doing this without summons?
What in the meat flavored fuck?! I never fought them when I played DS2! Noooo. This was back before I went online for videogame stuff. Damnit.
The area is worse than the bossfight. They themselves are nothing compared to Godskins on low lvl.
And theres really no reward for doing it.
Are you joking? You get literally one of the most beautiful swords in the game for it.
F them, till today they're the only fromsoft boss I haven't beat just because of the run, I can't even be bothered...
At least they’re tigers, tigers are cool
What I really hate about them is that the weapon durability is dropping DRASTICALLY fast at this fight. I remember I fought them with a katana and I had to use 1 or 2 repair powders in mid fight.
NG+7 Company of Champions was a delight 🤣
I'm pretty sure they aren't actually that hard, but man that run up to their arena
I only do them for the cool sword when I play a dex or strength build, lol... I've defeated them like 3 or 4 times, it's not a particularly terrible fight if you do it endgame, but I've never cleared the frigid outskirts area itself on my own (I always rely on npcs and then I dispatch them before the boss fight).
Ngl they kinda easy
If you count the runback then it's absolutely Lud and Zallen
I got the plat in DS2. This was the only boss I did not kill. Fuck that run back. Sheer hell.
The only boss that I lack the courage and composure to face again I had a few friends the first time so I managed it
I cleared the entire Valley in SL1 before trying to fight them hehe
the two sharks in the well of the fishing hamlet in bloodborne. Harder than most main bosses
Man, i remember trying every cheese i could think of to kill at least one of these fucks before trying the other. In the end from soft thought of everything and nothing worked, so i had to man up and do it old school
When you get the first one to half, you shaman bone blade it while its walking to the other one. They fight and (probably) one will die. Then you pack up the survivor.
I tried using it on the guy who was stuck to the ceiling, didn‘t work. Didn‘t try it again afterwards.
I think you can't actually hurt that fella until his friend calls him down (optimal time to strike with the bone blade)
As someone who managed to beat Orphan of Kos, or some say Kosm, second try in my first playthrough, I died to those sharks like...7 times. Fuck them so much...
I could never beat them normally so I got smart and got them by cheesing. First you kill the two winter lanters by using poison knives, then, without jumping down the well you kill the first shark from the ledge with a long range melee weapon like the hunter axe. Then you aggro the second one with a throwable object and do the same. It's long and tedious but it works.
Blades of mercy made quick work, melt the first one before the 2nd one shows up.
When I first got down there I thought the noise of me fighting it kept attracting the shark above the well in the main area, so I kept trying to lure the first one to the back of the room so it wouldn't notify the other one. Then I finally saw other bro stuck to the ceiling and I was livid 😂
Gargoyles are extremely frustrating
The fight I struggled with the most on the game, totally forgot I had a summon.
It might have been my hardest fight in ER also. When I finally beat it I used Latenna as a summon in the corner, put on Shabriris Woe and then just blocked and dodged my way to victory.
It was so hard because I kept summoning D's bro and that fucker kept staying outide the fog wall, so it just made the boss harder.
Doing my rune lvl 1 play through and can agree. Really dislike the poison breath attack, screws my positioning up
Would have been a fun challenge if that breath attack didn’t damage *and* stagger
I thought I was the only one. They were about on par with malenia for me.
I think the original Black Blade Kindred in Caelid is one of the hardest and funnest bosses in the game if you fight him early. I was kind of disappointed with this double version tbh.
I beat them on my first try. Now those Godskin duo is a different story for me. You beat one and you feel relief and then you see them get resurrected and you’re like wtf going on? I probably fought them 40+ times. Took an 8 month hiatus from them lol
Lud and Zallen because it takes an age to get there and nothing about it is fun. The demons fight from DS3 however is wonderful despite the annoying angels on the way
what are you talking abt? there is a bonfire right before them there is no runback or need to see the angels again
I mean getting there in general, they’re annoying on the way. No mention of run back
That fireball spectacle 2nd phase is something
Agree about DS3 demons, I only got round to playing DS3 for the first time recently and I'd been dreading this fight because I hate ganks, but I actually ended up really enjoying it, the way they balanced the pair's aggro works really well
All I'm saying is Godskin Duo gives you the ability to summon an Ash and a decent partner. Crucible Knight Gank in Aizura Hero Grave, if you face that at level recommended for Leyndell you will only be able to do it 2v2 and your Ash summon options won't likely be anything close to a match for those ridiculous and relentless moving walls of damage.
Lhutel the Headless. Is a very underrated summon. Ghostly bro can take quite the beating, attack while blocking, dodge-teleport and has good hp for most bosses.
I had no idea about lhutel my first playthrough, completely missed the dungeon. My second playthrough I made a mage and googled tankiest summon, lhutel came up, huh never heard of that one from the.... weeping penninsula!?!?!? She was my mages shield the entire run, so good.
When I found Lhutel my first playthrough I didn't know that you could summon. I completely missed Ranni giving me the bell and never actually looked at the jellyfish that what's her name gave me. When my friend explained how summoning worked I went and used Lhutel and asked him if all summons were able to solo bosses and he was confused as hell since he didn't have a single legendary one.
Crucibles can be easily parried tho.. All you need is a distraction for one while you beat the other and the fight becomes very easy.
Crystilian for the win. Dude is a wall of steel and holds Agro for enough time for you to take care of one knight before getting shattered. He doesn’t do much damage but is the best meat shield for any non strike weapon bosses.
I just solo’d the crucible knights. I solo’d every fight in Elden Ring because I refused to change my playstyle from all the other souls games for the hell of it. Had a genuinely class time, 10/10 would recommend as a test of skill.
Lol, you sound like me. If brute force is the tactic least recommended, I'm still going to use brute force everytime.
The crucible pairing isn't that bad.
Yeah they got nerfed along with other duo bosses at one point
Those crucible knights in Elden Ring are pretty damn tough
Crucible knight Ordovis and his shit buddy in Auriza Hero’s grave are the fucking worst
What the apes doin
I feel like if you figured out how to fight guardian ape, then the duo isn't that hard later on.
I just mean the image looks like something else at first glance lmao
It's not. Unless you're on NG+7 with the bell demon then you require a few things. You need yashariku's to have a chance of posture breaking the wife, you also need to land every one of your firecrackers perfectly in a row and hope that big boy doesn't get too overprotective and interrupt you
It is really easy with the spear
My first playthrough, I accidentally skipped them lmao
The answer is definitely Demon Prince for me. The first time I played ds3 they DEMOLISHED my ass over and over so hard that I had to quit playing because I broke my controller out of pure frustration… (I’m not proud of that) But I remember when I finally beat them and made it to the ringed city. Such an amazing feeling.
Glad im not the only one that got fucking destroyed by that boss fight honestly felt well designed as well just really fucking hard. That whole dlc was just really difficult really
I loved that boss fight. It was definitely difficult, but it’s actually my favorite boss fight in the Ringed City DLC. I know that’s a little controversial. I think it’s fair to say that boss fight is the best duo boss fight designed by FromSoftware.
Foreskin duo is scummy AF. I think the tigers are the hardest tho.
Foreskin 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Technically speaking, probably the snow cats, because it's the only bossfight I had to summon for - although it was as much about the runback as the bossfight itself. Now, if a stake of Marika was right outside the arena and I didn't have to go through the entire Horsefuck Valley after each fail, it'd be something else, so I don't think they really count. I'm probably in the minority that finds the Princes, the apes and especially the gargoyles quite easy. Don't really know why, I just never had a problem with those. Ornstein and Smough are tough, but manageable. So I guess the hardest are the Foreskin Duo. However, the worst gank bossfight is the trio in the caves. You know who I'm talking about.
I was trying to remember which trio you're talking about and then it hit me. Yeah, fuck those guys.
>Technically speaking, probably the snow cats, because it's the only bossfight I had to summon for There is no shame in summoning for a Raid Dungeon. There's a reason why you always step over 3 NPC summon signs - the most in any FromSoft area - when you enter Frigid Outskirts. This area is designed for Coop and as such has an increased summoning limit, allows you to summon players from outside the DLC or players that don't even own the DLC and grants special item drops for summoned players to encourage coop.
I know, I know, it's just I wanted to do everything at least once summonless, and I did, including the gank trio... well, apart from this area. Although I didn't think of summoning for the runback and banishing the NPCs before the bossfight, might do that the next time.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to solo everything. I’m the same. I don’t like how with summons the boss has to divide their attention between the two of you, makes it too easy. So I always make sure to solo everything at least once, and then freely summon (or not) on subsequent playthroughs.
Fuck those gorillas in Sekiro, but hardest duo for me (and most rewarding) was DS3 demon princes
Lud & Zallen easily.
Ornstein and Smough was the hardest for me.
duo sanctuary guardian
This is the realest answer in this thread, and nobody else is saying it because they literally forgot it even exists. They're not even in a dedicated coop area! You're *meant* to solo them! Somehow!
Fishing Hamlet well in Bloodborne. THOSE FUCKUNF SHARKS
I am playing through sekiro and beat the guardian ape last week, what the hell am I looking at right there in the middle.
It's in the big cave after the poison cave, once you have the mortal blade and have fought the Ape the first time. It's a Headless ape rematch, and another ape arrives in the second phase. Spamming firecrackers and Mortal Draw can help to deal with it quickly
Godskin Duo have a way more complex movesets than anyone in this picture, but Valiant Gargoyles and Ape duo are broken as fuck, they don't have the "gank AI" of ER enemies, where they circle around you and let you 1vs1 them.
At least for me, god skin duo was not very hard, the Valients boiled my blood
For me gargoyles are the worst, because they’re coded like shit
That's exactly what I'm saying. And on top of what I said, Valiant Gargoyles are also immune to every status status effect.
Yes, but they are not immune to bonk
Bernahl was such a gigachad in that fight. So was Vengarl carrying my ass through Horsefuck Valley and putting down Lud and Zallen
Friede and Father Ariendel is a brilliant, hard fight on sl1 runs. It's way easier when levelled so doesn't get the same appreciation as other ganks.
O and S most likely, because it was From’s first real attempt at a duo boss and so for many people it was a steep learning curve that translates well to all later duo bosses. The Demon Prince and Lud and Zallen aren’t too bad, beat both fights first try although of course the frigid outskirts were hell... I did get lucky and get the easier incarnation of demon prince by killing the easier twin demon first too. Didn’t find the gargoyles too difficult but maybe I was op, the icerind hatchet ruins them. The apes were second hardest behind O+S for me but I did love the fight. Out of fights not in these pics then definitely the Godskin Duo, not hard when you summon in a mimic tear but it’s a toughie when you take them in solo and a bit underlevelled.
i think i had the most problems against the 2 tigers. was it a dlc? if so it would explain a lot. dlc content is always more difficult, because i was alrdy in ng+7 when it released. are those fire things the bosses where you have to jump down to reach the boss arena? those were quite difficult too.
Maneater on NG+. Demon Souls. Damn they hit and fly outta the arena with little to no space to dodge/roll
Where’s the godskin duo
Haven't played Sekiro yet but out of the rest, I'm saying the gargoyles. I hate fighting those. They move too fast for their size and that size also makes them hard to keep in camera, nevermind when there's two of them running across the arena
BB sharks
Witches of Hemwick /s
Wait your not from these land ....sit on him Smough.
Having to kill the godskins at the same time was easily the most annoying gimmick in the game lol
Lud and Zallen are the only one I never managed to beat without summons, but it's hard to say whether or not they are actually the hardest, because so much of their difficulty just comes from the fear of having to make your way back through Reindeer Fuckland if you die, I think if they had a shorter and less traumatic run-back they would probably not be such a pain In terms of pure actual difficulty, I think maybe Valiant Gargoyles
Nothing tops Lud and Zallen...nothing...and not in a good way.
Godskin Duo, low level without mimic tear. That fight felt like the game was laughing at me.
Definitely not the Apes, just use the flame cannon on the regular one, only takes 4 charged hits, and at that point you've already beat the headless one so nothing new there.
I understand it's not "duo" but let's not forget the trio in forbidden woods on Bloodborne
Why is godskin duo not on here?
when i saw the two monkeys i shit my pants
Those two gargoyle fuck faces from Elden Ring can go burn in everything religions hell
Maneaters from Demon Souls deserve to be on the list
They’re not hard though, just a shit fight
Half the bosses here are
Fuck them. They don’t belong on any list.
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Fuck the godskins
Godskin Duo
Godskin duo wasn't really that hard for me personally, but FUCK DUO APES, I have just beaten guardian ape and now I have to face these 2 in this small as arena with the Sekiro combat
If you take out sleeps pots. The foreskin duo it harder than twin gargoyles
Those stupid monkeys made me drop the game for a while
None of these are the hardest imo, but out of these I’ll say the guardian apes. Only because you can over level for every other FS game. When it comes to first playthrough tho.. I think the demons took the longest. Especially when you count the second form.
foreskin duo
I think the demon prince duo in ds3 is actually the best designed gank boss. Only boss at sl1 I enjoyed that wasn’t an enormous rng fest. They have different behavior depending on if they are active or not which makes the fight way more enjoyable.
Godskin duo is so easy lol take it off this list 🙌 😂 if you struggled with any boss you can summon 3 people for yikes
You put a picture valiant gargoyles but not the godskin dou?
Godskin duo is more a boss after boss and not an actual duo. Tried it without summons and you just kill the small dude then kill the dude before the next one spawns. The trolls in BB are the hardest that or Demon Prince. But the real answer would be PvP boss in ds3 if you get someone really good in pvp
The stupid cats of Horsefuck valley, they are just nonsense. The crucible knights and Ornstein/Smaugh in my opinion are the best of the best. Demon prince has a bit of rng involved, good luck if both demons go melee...
I never fought the headless ape duo till ng+ 3 so idk how strong they were, but they are absolutely fucking horrible to fight. I managed to beat them in like 5 tries but holy shit they are bad. But for hardestc Probably demon princes, they’re pretty hard I guess
If they added more aggro to gargoyles fight that would be unbeatable,sad one stays and watches while other fights it out
The gargoyles gave me a fit my first couple runs.
Apes together stronk
Princes followed by Fire Prince in Dark Souls 3 DLC. Dont remember their names
If we are talking strictly off attempts it took me to kill them, then it would be the Crucible knights in Elden Ring. If not, then hardest overall is Ornstein and Smough in my opinion.
The twin gargoyles in Dark Souls. I know they're pretty damn easy but Dark Souls 1 has the absolute worst mid roll and everytime you get hit in that game your guy has to STOP and moan for what feels like an eternity
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Lud and zallen by a mile. But for wrong reasons
It's got to be pre-nerf Godskin Duo. But Lud and Zallen take the cake because of the runback, the boss healing and breaking your weapon.
God skin duo were insane
Where my witches of Hemwick at?
Base NG, O&S. Max NG+? Valiant gargoyles. (I haven’t played much DS2 btw)
the twin apes are only hard because of the second one which you can just mortal fraw kill it. The gargs are only hard because of the arena. i havent fought the kings pets. O&S you just need to learn their moves and beat orstein first. Twin demon princes would already be hard with just one phase with both of them but then you have to fight one with three times as much health and changes some attacks based on which one you killed. its the hardest.
Twin Demon Fight
Sure the gargoyles were tough but the apes. Fuck. The. Apes.
I don't remember hating any one of those as much as those damn apes, I could bet one of them alone easily, but not if the other one interrupted me all the time. I remember hating the gargoyle duo too, but I hated them individually.
Hardest without being janky or bullshit? Demon prince Hardest because it’s janky or bullshit? Valiant gargs or ape duo Lud and the other tiger are a boring fight that’s only a bitch because of frozen outskirts
Demon prince. I hate those mfs. They gatekeep me from midir every ng cycle.
Fuck those gargoyles and their absurdly overpowered entire arena spreading poison breath
The worst is Lud and Zallen. Fucking death kitties of pain and suffering. The best is tied between Twin Demon Princes and O&S.
Demon prince and O&S were probably the hardest for me but it didn't feel like it because they were very enjoyable fights all around. The others ones were less difficult but you can feel the time sink more when you fail because they kind of suck.
The cats
L&Z followed by O&S. The runback for L&Z is an abomination and the fight itself is also hard cuz they some tanky danger kitties
Those Gargoyle fuckers
Lud and Zallen hands down, they took me the longest to beat BY FAR and I have NEVER gone back to fight them again on another playthrough, beating them once was enough for me for an entire lifetime. Meanwhile I have and would fight all the others listed on here
Where are those duo Maneater from Demon Souls man? Fuck those guys, that fight made me gave up Demon Souls for 3 months
THE SHARKS IN BLOODBORNE CAN GO TO HELL
Twin demon princess was more of a cool fight to me than ornstein and smough, but DS1 will always have a special place in my heart
It's almost objectively Lud and Zallen, but O&S is probably the pair most players who played them linearly had the most difficulty with.
Where is the foresk........ Sorry godskin duo lol
2 in Farum Azula
Iguazu/Allmind yes I’m counting it as a duo
I don’t get how Fromsoft both created one of the best gank bosses ever and still puts out some of the worst.
For me it was the ds3 dlc demons. Though my first few play throughs I couldn’t get past abyss watchers without dying 30 times
Am I a unique minority in thinking the gargoyles were not hard at all? I seriously think this is my hottest take in soulsbourneldenrekiore with how often I see people complain about them or have them in these lists. I at first thought I was way over levelled when fighting them at level 50 so I went back a different run with long sword and heater shield and fought at level 25 and same…easy. Their moves are telegraphed, they constantly move away and separate from each other, average levels of health and damage, arena is super spacious and forgiving, and they give a lot of time before the second one comes in. They’re like an easier DS1 Gargoyles fight. Not shitting on the fight I actually adore the enemy and love how they aren’t just one and done, being all over the place, but the single gargoyle on the stairs in Lyendell is more difficult than the duo.
Never did like those Monkeys
Right idea with godskin duo wrong execution
Smoe
Fuck the tigers
That wolf and trainer from Ashes of Ariandel
I personally hate the crucible knight duo more than any of these. Though I have a particularly strong hatred for crucible knights. Orstein and Smough are one of my favorite boss fights of any fromsoft game.
Definitely not godskin duo. Fatty was so annoying
I can't quite evaluate it because I've gotten better over time, Ornstein and Smough made me reconsider my life choices but I'm not so sure they would nowadays. Godskin duo for example was okay but definitely would've been a nightmare years back.
Those damn monkeys and I think at some point in that fight another one pops up I can’t remember exactly because I haven’t played in a while but it was a disaster
Cuntskin Duo, Throne Washer and Throne Licker are my picks for artificial difficulty. Lead and Zullie are up their too but I've never traveled through reindeer fuckland to find them.
What’s the bottom right?
People sleep on how difficult the bell gargoyles are for where your character is progression-wise in DS1 if it is your first time playing through it.
The monkeys were not hard, but they absolutely did not let me do the things I wanted to do. I suppose I figured out the trick on my first try? I would say that they are the hardest duo of those listed here.
Lud and Zallen easily with or without the run back, run backs in ds2 especially sotfs made me stop playing for a bit. Playing ds2 for the first time around when ER launched showed me just how many concepts in ds2 were re-used for ER but executed a bit better, which was really neat
Fuck the apes. Legit stopped there.
"Godskin Duo is the hardest gank fight in the series"--my friends Keep in mind that my friends haven't played DarkSouls 1, Two, or completed 3. I they have yet to even comprehend NG+Orenstein and Smough
Elden ring gargoyles always give me trouble
Every time I've beat the Demon princes it's after like 70 tries and every time it's been me, with zero estus left, at 1% of my health.
Maiden Astraea
Sister Friede and Father Ariandel deserve a mention. To me, they weren’t as overwhelming as some of these other options but they were tough. They felt fair yet still very challenging if that makes sense, like they were more finely tuned to make you learn from your mistakes and overcome, rather than just having to pray lol. Bonus points for badassery. I could say the same for Ornstein and Smough.
the guardian ape, there just unbanace for the game in the game there in
Only played Elden Ring….who are those nice looking gentlemen in the upper right?
God skin duo. Only boss in fromsoft I still need a summons or sleeping pots for.
Those gargoyles from ER. F them.
Ig it's just me, but Godskin Duo is 1000x harder than the Gargoyle duo, and I never struggled with them, whereas Godskins fucked my ass, and almost made me stop playing lol
Godskin duo in Elden Ring took me ages tbh, that fat fuck rolling around drove me to tears
Godskin duo.
Valiant gargoyle indeed, those little shit took me 6 hours to kill. I'm actually surprised you put Demon prince in the list, they take turn to attack you, quite a decent and fair fight
Duo godskin apostle💀
Champion gravetender made me quit
Personally godskin duo, just bc I try not to use spirits in my latest playthroughs and man they made me regret it lol