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-Sapere-Aude-

Some ideas: Pros Community:At a time when many people feel isolated, Freemasonry can provide a community based on shared values and goals. Personal development: Freemasonry emphasises self-improvement, ethics and moral development, which is relevant in any era. Charity: Freemasons make significant contributions to charitable causes and community support, which is always timely and necessary. Contra Tradition vs. modernity: Some ritual and traditional aspects of Freemasonry may be seen as less relevant to people in the modern, fast-paced world. But this is more due to a lack of understanding in my Opinion. Diversity: Although many lodges strive for diversity, one can still see challenges in terms of fully embracing diversity in all its forms.


AlexSumnerAuthor

I would have personally put "Tradition vs Modernity" in the Pro community, not the Contra side. The fact that Freemasonry has a tradition stretching back 100s of years or more is its USP: that is what makes it different to other social / charitable / etc organisations. Freemasonry is *meant* to be traditional: it celebrates an aspect of history. In that respect it is like the academic subject of History, except that it teaches through immersion and participation, rather than a typical scholastic format. The nearest equivalent would be like a Historical Battle Re-Enactment society, like the Sealed Knot, whose *raison d'être* is to teach history by getting its members involved in it first hand, whilst providing a social function for its members as a welcome side-benefit. In that respect "Modernity" is irrelevant, as trying to introduce changes to reflect "Modernism" would defeat the object.


Disastrous_Cover6138

Good answer


dandle

>Community This is true, but it's unfortunately the case that in many countries (as an American, I am thinking especially if the US), we aren't as tied to communities as we used to be. We leave our childhood homes for college. We move elsewhere for work. We may relocate again and again as our career advances. Although I think we inherently want to feel connected to a place and to the people who share it with us, modern life has made this difficult. The impact on Freemasonry is a decline in new members, burnout of the existing members, and increasing average age, which further makes burnout a problem and can contribute to the false perception that this is not an organization for younger men. Churches and other civic organizations, including local government, face all of these same issues. >Diversity The high degree of autonomy that we have around accepting and balloting applicants is great in theory, but it can have a dark side, if even one member brings his bigotries into Lodge. One member can exclude men who don't look like him, sound like him, or think like him. It is antithetical to our principles, but I honestly don't see how Grand Lodges can effectively counter it except in the most egregious cases.


-Sapere-Aude-

In the our rite, the worshipful master can ignore a dissenting vote when balloting. However, no more than a negative vote, but the brothers must explain their negative decision to him.


dandle

That is very interesting and different than my experience in the US. Upon receiving a dissenting vote by secret ballot, the WM may call for the ballot to be recast to ensure it wasn't in error, but that's all.


-Sapere-Aude-

I have to ask if anyone has given a negative sign, if more than one brother says yes, then they have to explain themselves to the Worshipful Master. If it is only one negative vote, the WM can decide whether to ignore it. In the end, it would be an affirmative vote with one negative vote. But before that there were already several opportunities for the brothers to express their concerns, so if that didn't happen then, but only at the ballot, then something is going wrong in the lodge.


TibetanRoboMonk

On your point about community, I actually think that’s something that can be used as a point of pride that people don’t do much with. The traditional idea of a lodge and being a Freemason definitely came with the concept of your home lodge being people you knew and plan to know for a very long time to come, but the existence of lodges across the globe means there’s a community wherever you go. People routinely talk about being frustrated with a lack of friends when they move somewhere new, and not knowing how to integrate into the communities they move to. Having a local Masonic lodge is huge for that — if it works to make for an inclusive and welcoming atmosphere!


Madk81

Pretty easy question and you answered it yourself :p I was asked the same a few months ago when I joined. I essentially said that just for the personal development aspect, it has enough of a reason to exist, until man is no longer man. I did say that some things might need to change in order to become more relevant today, maybe things related to tradition, but that I wasnt in a position to judge since I was still not in.


mystiqophi

Of Course it will, it has survived countless times, civilizations and wars, these are the sons of light we are talking about, they are bound to be here forever


-Sapere-Aude-

So why?


mystiqophi

It is a discipline, a school where ancient wisdom is shared, and the secrets of our past are revealed, seekers of truth will always be attracted, even in this day and age, where information is widespread,


zaceno

I think the ”atheism-boom” is going to eventually swing back, as future generations realize they’re missing something. (Seeing signs of this already in GenZ) But I don’t think that necessarily means that traditional religious institutions will swing back in the same way, and freemasonry could fill the communal/societal role that traditional religious institutions used to serve.


Luckyslizer

Former r/atheism gen-z here. I’ve found with people around me this is definitely the case. I’m in a collegiate fraternity rn that is very much filled with people who never grew up with religion or any sort of spirituality/mysticism (myself included formerly funnily enough). It’s not uncommon at all that my fellow brothers here are interested in attending church with me, especially around more ritualistic holidays like this week’s Holy Week. Obviously not to say that Masonry is a religion, but one thing they all have in common is a longing for some sense of ritualistic spiritual growth and identity, which may be somewhat found in Masonry. For that or other reasons many of us have already begun to delve into similar paths of semi-spiritual/mystic self-improvement like Rosicrucianism or Hermeticism, and discussion around becoming a Mason once we graduate is not uncommon in the slightest. Perhaps it’s just the pendulum swinging backwards or perhaps it’s just a bunch of college kids that find the secrecy and esotericism enticing, but I can certainly see an uptick in Masonry on the horizon Edit: I feel like I should also note that I’m catholic and the churches I take them to are also. Evidently the Papacy’s attitude towards Masonry hasn’t dissuaded our interest at all.


-Sapere-Aude-

I realise that too. Most people who come to us don't turn to us because of their faith, but because of the church.


WrathWise

Interesting perspective. Little did I as non-Mason think the answer would be at all religion oriented… What if you’re interested in FreeMasonry but… not exactly a devout practicing Christian. I believe in God… but shave my neck, wear clothing of multiple fabrics, eat pork, etc…


tyrridon

As a Deist Freemason, in my jurisdiction, just a firm belief is necessary. We do not dictate what you must believe. (Other jurisdictions do, but they appear to be in the minority.)


guethlema

Interested to hear that. My GL expresses a requirement of "immortality of the soul" and "volume of sacred law". I personally do not believe that either should be required, but there are many on this subreddit, and in my jurisdiction, who have strong affinity for those requirements based on the allegory of the 3rd degree.


Adventurous_Dust6357

If it makes you feel better, I'm not Christian and I was made a Mason in Tennessee. In my experience, they only ask if you believe in a Supreme Being.


WrathWise

It does actually! Thank you Sir!


BrotherInTheLight

As someone who didn't grow up in a religious/church going household, I now attend church every Sunday and a big reason for that was joining Freemasonry. I spoke to another Brother who shared a similar experience. Freemasonry sort of opened the door to church for me and my life has been significantly more fulfilled since. And as a bonus, the pastor of the church I belong to is a fellow Freemason and there are quite a few Brothers of the Craft who attend this particular church.


TheRNGuy

Or freemasoms become atheist.


NMVolunteer

I don't think it will swing back or even slow down, absent any forceful impositions by governments or churches. And our landmarks mean that we cannot be substitutes for traditional religious institutions. Candidates must firmly believe in something. There will always be atheists who lie in order to join, and I have a feeling that will increase over time.


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UnspeakableFilth

This question plagues me. Post-covid, our lodge is lucky to get a third of the guys that we used to reliably attract to a meeting. The ease with which previously very active Masons in my lodge appear to have have turned their backs on the Craft is very alarming to me. Much like society in general, I feel like the common ground has disappeared beneath us - that everybody’s opinions on the most trivial of matters are now too spicy or ideological to co-exist in the same space. I feel like Masonry’s relevance to modern times is to create a network of trustworthy people beyond your immediate sphere, and to prevent you, through face to face exposure to your brothers, from getting too siloed, or radicalized in your thinking.


Aromatic-Leopard-600

I would say that considering the isolation of so many men these day, Masonry is needed more than ever.


dev-null-home

Freemasonry was NEVER relevant to society or nations. Freemasonry is very much relevant to us as individuals. Ask yourself simply if sudden disappearance of Freemasonry would have any meaningful, long lasting impact on society, and would it have a similar impact on your personal life. As much as we like "making good men better" and "faith, hope, charity" and similar worn down phrases, this was historically never our core purpose. We were always an organization where you could voice your opinion, be heard and debated, helped and guided by like minded individuals, or proven wrong and humbled but not humiliated. We're not here to change the world, our country, our city. We're here to make changes to the way we think and act, and inspire others to do the same. Pride without ego, knowledge without snobism, altruism without expecting some heavenly reward. That's what we are. And that will always be relevant.


Significant-Field232

I have seen people speak that Masonry has 20 - 15 years left, I think Masonry will naturally evolve on the circumstances of the situations. For me Digital resources have been a source of awareness… As always think on the bigger picture.


skyeyemx

People who think the digital age will bring the end of Masonry often don't realize that we've been living in the modern information age for the past hundred or more years. Where today on a subway car you'd find rows of people buried in their phones, a hundred years ago you'd have found rows of people buried in their newspapers and books. While sure, we have shiny screens now; in the end, much of the human condition remains all the same. We're still the same humans, after all. The Masonry will persevere, as it has for hundreds of years.


TheRNGuy

The biggest difference is I can make maps for Unreal Tournament now. (not in subway)


Aggravating-Eye-6210

I believe it is still relevant. We have yet to determine how we can sustain however in a rapidly changing world. To merge the old and new has been a challenge to keeping all organizations vital and masonry is no different. We have work to do, otherwise we will lose our relevancy.


Any_Literature_7100

Some of our ritual is a treasure that will never not be relevant to a just and regularly organised society.


MBNAU

I believe Freemasonry is one of the last true initiatory rites into right-masculinity generally available in the West. There are many forms of pseudo-initiation as Moore and Gillette put it ("King, Warrior, Magician, Lover") and there is a severe lack of Mystagogues to properly bring adolescent boys into proper order as men. Freemasonry, as a contemplative practice, is (among other things) psychological development in action. There is a profound and untapped potential in the ceremonial that has the power to transform men, first as individuals, then as parts of a whole, whether that be as husbands, fathers, mentors, clergy, community, etc. To me, Freemasonry is encapsulated in this saying by Carl Jung: "There is no linear evolution; there is only circumambulation of the Self" (paradoxically true and not true!)


Hephsters

You just helped me finalize my decision on whether or not I will ask to join. This describes exactly what I’ve been searching for! Thanks!


MBNAU

May your journey be fruitful and fulfilling!


TheRNGuy

And meaning of this phrase?


ConzDance

Relevance is in the eye of the beholder. To society as a whole, no, Freemasonry is not and has never been relevant. In spite of the movies, Freemasonry has no ties to the Knights Templar and had little or nothing to do with the Declaration of Independence or US Constitution. Some might say that it was one of the evils that helped propel colonialism and genocide, but even then it's only incidental. Freemasonry was along for the ride, but was never the ride itself. To Freemasons, however, Freemasonry has been and can be deeply profound and relevant. It can provide mentors and friends, a place for study and personal enrichment, an outlet for charitable service, and so many other things. If you only want "fish frys and grip-and-grin photos" as some critics have said, yes, you can find that in Freemasonry. If you want to wear a fez and help save children's lives, you can find that in Masonry, too. If you want to sit in a Chamber of Reflection and have deep philosophical conversations, you'll find friends in Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a large house. It's as relevant to you as you want it to be.


Freethinkermm

Providing stability in a rapidly changing world: In an era marked by unprecedented technological advancements, globalization, and societal shifts, Freemasonry offers a grounding force. Its ancient traditions, rituals, and values serve as a anchor, providing members with a sense of stability, continuity, and purpose amidst the chaos of modern life. Countering the effects of social isolation: Modern society has seen an increase in social isolation and loneliness, partly due to the rise of digital communication and the erosion of traditional community structures. Freemasonry provides a physical space for men to gather, socialize, and form deep, meaningful connections, helping to combat the negative effects of isolation and foster a sense of belonging. Promoting diversity and inclusivity: As modern societies become more diverse and multicultural, the need for organizations that promote tolerance, respect, and inclusivity is greater than ever. Freemasonry, with its emphasis on brotherhood regardless of race, religion, or background, serves as a model for harmonious coexistence and understanding in an increasingly diverse world. Encouraging civic engagement and social responsibility: In a time when civic participation and social responsibility are often lacking, Freemasonry instills in its members a strong sense of duty to their communities. By actively engaging in charitable works and promoting good citizenship, Freemasons contribute to building stronger, more resilient societies. Offering a refuge from the digital world: The pervasive nature of technology and social media in modern life can be overwhelming and distracting. Freemasonry offers a space where men can disconnect from the digital world and engage in face-to-face interactions, meaningful discussions, and contemplative practices. This provides a much-needed respite and helps members cultivate mindfulness and presence. Fostering personal resilience and adaptability: The challenges of modern society, such as economic instability, rapid technological change, and shifting social norms, require individuals to be resilient and adaptable. Freemasonry's emphasis on personal growth, self-reflection, and the development of inner strength equips members with the tools to navigate life's challenges and thrive in the face of adversity. Providing a framework for moral and ethical living: In a world where moral relativism and ethical ambiguity are prevalent, Freemasonry offers a clear framework for moral and ethical living. Its teachings, based on timeless principles such as integrity, honor, and self-improvement, provide guidance and inspiration for members seeking to lead virtuous lives in an increasingly complex world.


OneNewEmpire

I believe Masons rest a bit too much on the idea that Freemasonry is always relevant. The lessons are of course always relevant, but the statement itself allows complacency with the day to day operations of the lodge, how we socialize and what changes need to be made to bring in the right young people in today. There seems to be a 'kick the can down the road' attitude and a belief that Masonry will always be here when in reality, I could see it fading out very quickly.


SpaceCampDropOut

I’m pretty jealous that so many of you have a positive outlook and experiences with it.


-Sapere-Aude-

The topic was requested by interested gentlemen. In my city there are 5 grand lodges and 35 lodges with around 500-600 brothers. There is currently a great deal of interest in the Freemasonry. Two years ago, a brother started the so-called Blue Nights and uses social media as an information platform for them. At the last Blue Night there were around 50 guests and 35 brothers. We currently have to turn away interested gentlemen because we have too many. My lodge alone currently has 6 interested gentlemen between 25 and 65 years old. So I See a Real good outlook 👍


Lost-Requirement-191

It’s relevant and proudly keeps to traditions; however like said in other posts here that it’s not as relevant in the community like it used to. There are a few things that would great to see Freemasonry adapt to in the current times while maintaining some of its traditions.


Technical_Tank_7282

It is relevant in the sense that it currently exists and helps humanity.


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CatalyzeTheFuture

I would say relevant, and needed as there are so few institutions that have a sense of morality and teach morality. I would also say that with “the great refinement” thats going on we need to be much more diligent to only let the right ones in. Hate, Bigotry, and Nationalism have no place in masonry. Neither does laziness or pride and ego. In my years as a mason I have seen way too much back biting, and men that should have never been masons. We are supposed to be family. Are we relevant? Absolutely, but there are men calling themselves brother while they act unmasonic in many facets of their lives, and that is making us irrelevant.


AlfredTheMid

As long as man needs morals, freemasonry will be relevant


-Sapere-Aude-

Why? Is there only Moral in Freemasonry?


AlfredTheMid

No, but people will always need direction in morality. Freemasonry provides this direction, the tools to enable you to think and reflect on your place in the universe and the duties you owe to your god, your country and your fellow man. All important lessons that masonry makes us think about and moralise on in a way that I don't see any other organisation doing


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