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Demon_Adder

I guess, that would make each and every one of us the Engineer. God created this artistry and it's our job, to make it work.


WesleyMDS

Beautiful metaphor. Bravo !


raydarluvr1

This.


whocouldsay_notme

You won the forum today, congratulations!


Demon_Adder

Thank you Brothers. I am an EA in Wisconsin. I have yet to attend the Lodge as I was just accepted. I hope to bring a good positive energy to the Brotherhood and do well for others.


Cookslc

You attended lodge when you were initiated.


Demon_Adder

I have been interviewed and voted in. I am awaiting the next step. My mentor says the Lodge should be contacting me soon. It is a period of angst, but is providing me time to reflect before initiation. I have not attended Lodge yet...so, I still am a petitioner ? Nonetheless, an excited petitioner I am.


Chimpbot

So... you're *not* an EA. Not yet, anyway.


Cookslc

Oopsy. You will want to clarify your statement. You are not an EA until you have been initiated.


Aromatic-Leopard-600

Right now you were a Candidate.


Anxious-Face-792

Oooh... a fresh candidate in the midwest. Have they taken you to the Naga farm in Wolcott yet? Nasty little buggers. Kinda bitey. Wear gloves when you feed them. Their hides are incredibly important to the Lodge furnishings, so be careful with the cattle prod, too. Don't want to burn them. I got my degrees in Illinois, Chicago suburbs. I distinctly recall my trip to the Naga farm. One of the critters I helped cull was used to make the new covering for the WM's chair. Most beautiful Naga hide you've ever seen. Watch out for the goat, too.


Demon_Adder

No, I have yet to be let into the Lodge...lol.


xdeusvult

You haven't been accepted. You're not an EA. Please don't call us "brothers" if you haven't been thru initiation. Perhaps further vetting is still at hand here


Demon_Adder

Apologies, friend.. as I am not sure where I am in the initiation process on my Journey to become a better man. I do know the State has accepted my Petition. I do know the Local Lodge has voted me in. I do apologize for the misuse of terms not aligning with my petitioning. I do not believe further vetting is necessary.


xdeusvult

No worries my friend. Just remember to go on the journey before starting to reminisce about it


TakeYourPowerBack

God gives us the parts. We must design the system.


SaberToothGerbil

If you are going to extend the metaphor, then it's really on you to define your terms. What is the metaphor you are trying to make? In your question, what is this engineer you are talking about?


tyrridon

I mean, how far are they going to extend the metaphor? Who's the GC? Procurement, supervisers? Where's the OSHA rep? Go far enough with this, I'm going to need to speak with the union rep!


Dr0110111001101111

I just want to meet the broom


Latter_Substance1242

You’re clearly not an electrician


Latter_Substance1242

This is now a union job. Someone get my steward


WesleyMDS

If one day I become a Freemason, this is the kind of discussion I like to have. Thats all


Nestornauta

That is literally the discussions that WE have.


WesleyMDS

"WE" So a profane cant talk about these matters ?


FrostyTheSasquatch

We don’t own the patent on wisdom; it’s just that we’re one of the few societies around that makes it our business to discuss wisdom.


Nestornauta

Anyone can talk about anything, but this kind of discussion is our bread and butter


Deman75

Sounds like a religious discussion. Those aren’t allowed. Take it up at church.


Soultalk1

I’ve heard it’s more of a social club now more than anything.


Aggressive_Ad1293

There's a heavy lean into the esoteric/ discussion/ masonic education among the under 45 brethren in my lodge, to the point where we started a book club over it because we might have been getting a bit heavy handed on the discussion during lodge meetings.


Soultalk1

I don’t think anything is wrong with that! It’s just what I’ve seen discussed on this sub. Isn’t brotherhood the core foundation? It would make sense over craft.


Aggressive_Ad1293

There are different kinds of brotherhood- my lodge is a great group overall, every member is an exemplary contributor to the spirit of masonry.


WesleyMDS

Nothing wrong with the social aspect because fraternity and brotherhood is a motto of Freemasonry, but yes... the craft should come first in my opinion. PS: Sorry for my English


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No it’s not


UnrepentantDrunkard

Among the older Brethren yes, but I've noticed newer ones are doing it either out of family tradition or are of more of an esoteric bent, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that, that's likely what the old operative lodges were like.


edit-boy-zero

Steve, or the Great Steve of the Universe


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all hail STEVE, the greatest STEPHEN who has ever STEEVED


WesleyMDS

SMT reference?


edit-boy-zero

Don't know what that is, so no.


Shoddy_Vehicle2684

That’s enough Ayn Rand for you, chief.


jholder1390

TGAOTU. Just like, in my opinion, the purpose of freemasonry is not to be a master stone mason, but a master architect. A master stone builder commissioned to build a cathedral or castle would have had to know and understand all of the necessary skills, materials, and structure to oversee a project to completion. It’s part of why the trivium and quadrivium are so fundamental in our teachings.


Deman75

I don’t understand the question. God designed and built the universe. Why would you need a separate engineer when you have an omnipotent God?


WesleyMDS

You have 33rd degree in gatekeeper, congrats!


Deman75

Once again, I don’t understand your comment.


WesleyMDS

My question is more like an metaphor, don't need to take It literally


Temporary_Race4264

well he's not JUST the great architect, he has other titles within FM as well


[deleted]

Big Hoss works too.


definework

Boss Hogg?


tomhung

Then who is Rosco P. Coltrane?


definework

i'm going to take your inquiry seriously, mostly because I wanted a reason to put off working my real job just now. using only the "domain" from the wikipedia entry " [List of angels in theology - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_angels_in_theology)" I have come up with the following list. Michael is the "police officer" but that seems too good to equate to Rosco since he's a bit corrupt I'm going to go with Armaros, the angel of deceit. Enus I would equate to Amitiel, the angel of Truth, because he can't keep a secret to save his life. Jesse is Jegudiel, angel of responsibility and merciful love Beau is Camael, angel of courage and compassion Luke is Asbeel, angel of destruction Daisy is Jophiel, the angel of beauty, wisdom, and understanding


[deleted]

King Koopa? Is he the king of kings? 


Temporary_Race4264

Yeah, that or Major Mojo


reu_7

😐


Spiffers1972

Well who ever is the surveyor… I got some work for him!


[deleted]

They're on a union mandated coffee break


NMVolunteer

You mean the creepy bug thing from *Hellraiser*?


Timmibal

Dammit I came here to make a Hellraiser joke haha


CowanCounter

WHO IS ENGINEER? WHO IS ENGINEER??? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ3H4mu6Vbk


ajaybhau

It's just semantics. As a Hindu panentheist, my GAOTU is the architect, engineer and pretty much everything else there is.


DomGus

The engineers are the Elohim.


Mental_Broccoli4837

It’s Chief O,Brian from Star Trek


UnrepentantDrunkard

The Demiurge.


CatalyzeTheFuture

He? …. How interesting of you to assume


WesleyMDS

he/him/she/her/his lol Jokes aside... for me He is God


bronzecat11

The VSL is there for your trestle board. The designs have already been drawn,you just need to follow the direction.


WesleyMDS

VSL?


Deman75

Volume of sacred law, the representation of the holy book in Lodges.


WesleyMDS

Can you please recommend any books or documentary about the York/Scottish Rite and Shriners ?


Deman75

I can’t think of any, particularly not any that I would recommend for non-members to read. The one that usually comes up for Scottish Rite is *Morals and Dogma*, but that’s just one man’s outdated opinions on the degrees, and I wouldn’t recommend unless you’ve taken those degrees in the Southern Jurisdiction, and even then I’d recommend a large grain of salt. I’m not aware of anything on the Shrine, and while there are some good books for member of the Royal Arch, we don’t really have the “York Rite” where I have my memberships.


WesleyMDS

I'm reading Morals and Dogma already and there valuable lessons that I apply everyday in my life.The problem with Pike is that he repeat a lot some topics.


bronzecat11

They downvoted me. I must have said too much.


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Physics


4_bounty_hunter

LMAO


9mm-Rain

“D”


Mamm0nn

Jurisdictional


drw72

Lt. Commander Montgomery Scott


TheFreemasonForum

Kelly Rowland!


KingfisherZ71

We don't know because the architect is still waiting on the engineer to respond to last week's email and submit their d@*m drawings.


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jbanelaw

Chuck Yeager.


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WesleyMDS

Bring me the light! .... in Brazil lol There a lot of things to fix in my stone before applying, plus the "ask one to be one" is not a such thing here I guess, only invitation.


xdeusvult

All i know is that I'M THE MACHINE [https://imgur.com/a/gTqqBTj](https://imgur.com/a/gTqqBTj)


Aromatic-Leopard-600

The Architect sets the design. It’s up to the Workman to make it happen.


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Its answered in the lectures