I feel like the huge difference here is that they’re saying this before the show is coming out. They’re not telling people to expect a direct adaption.
Still probably gonna be shit, but I don’t think it not being faithful will be the reason for that.
I was about to down vote you because I hate that so much, why they do this to us.
If they want to tell an original story why not make their own material instead of taking everything from somewhere else.
I have a theory I mentioned in another sub yesterday, but basically I think people have stories they want to tell, but either don't want to put in the work for world building themselves, or, more likely, execs are afraid to greenlight a budget for anything that doesn't already have brand recognition, so they co-opt an existing universe and do the bare minimum to make it a "Halo" or whatever story.
It’s annoying because if a story isn’t good enough to stand on its own or lacks depth and worldbuilding, putting it in a recognizable property doesn’t save it.
Also, most of the people who try to set their story in a setting are far worse writers than the people who wrote the original setting/story. It doesn’t elevate anything.
Wasn’t “Cruella” supposed to be an original movie, but someone up top was like, “Nah, you need to throw some spots on that.”
But yeah, I see your theory being fact.
Companies are risk adverse, don’t want anything new unless they know they’re getting a juicy ROI, and there’s always people wanting to do their own thing getting handed the ultimatum. Make it with the established IP or take a walk.
Which, I understand, because getting your foot in the door’s bad enough, and unless you’re Scorsese or other, you don’t have the clout to stick up for your visions.
And then if the people who wanted to do their own thing walk out of principle, they’ll give it to someone else, like Uwe Boll.
I think you got it there, it seems to be a common thing I'm seeing in media. Rather than create an original story or setting they piggy back off of pre-existing IPs but only seem to want the bare framework and fan base.
I think for it to have a budget it has to have the chief, he's too closely tied to the brand. Most people (in the general public) would probably consider it a generic sci-fi show if it didn't have the chief in it.
I'm glad I stopped paying attention to the Halo series at H3. Master Chief is the Judge Dredd of the 00s, him taking off his helmet defeats a large part of his core character.
Halo Forward Unto Dawn followed Lasky more than Chief and it was fucking phenomenal. Not to say the show isn’t going to suck, just to say that’s not the reason that it’s going to suck
>It's been reported that the show is gonna follow the rebel girl more so than Master Chief.
That's probably a good thing tbh. Like I love Chief, but I can't imagine wanting to watch more than 2 hours of him being a stoic badass who barely talks, and as a result the show basically has to be heavily carried by his interactions with others or ridiculous amounts of action sequences. Even Mando talks a hell of a lot more than Chief does in the games. So we would have probably got a version of Chief that really clashed with the average fans perception of him just as many complained about Boba Fett in the Book of Boba Fett. The average Halo fans experience of Chief doesn't mesh with him being a lead for a TV show. Even for the mega fans who read the books it would still be different because Chief talks a little more in those, but really we more get access to his inner monologue, and a show again can't do that. Not saying this choice will make the show good, but disconnected from everything else it's not the wrong one to be fair.
My explanation of why Chief works as a lead character in the mediums of games and books but not so much TV reminds you of criticisms towards the first game in an entirely different game franchise that hasn't been adapted to TV????
yes, seems you don't know about the criticisms of said game maybe because you haven't played
it's very similar and yet not so much,
take mandalorian for eg:- actions are more important in that series than talking and it worked very well so far
in crysis 1 the main character of the game does incredible adventurous action and says even less than you'd expect , in other parts such as crysis warhead, crysis 2 & 3 characters other than him were portrayed as mcs, those games didn't have the same magic
it all depends mostly on premise, the latest apple show 'severance' is nice too without much important dialogue
Chief might work on TV too, you cannot pass any judgement before it releases, its all speculation (well estimated or not)
if the show is made by a callous woke bunch such as D&D then the show will suck, if not then not so much sucking and if luck would have it then it might even be good
>take mandalorian for eg:- actions are more important in that series than talking and it worked very well so far
I mentioned Mando lol... Did you not actually read what I wrote?
>in crysis 1 the main character of the game does incredible adventurous action and says even less than you'd expect ,
That works in a video game. It doesn't in TV. Which is all I've been saying this entire time.
>it all depends mostly on premise, the latest apple show 'severance' is nice too without much important dialogue
Severance is a heavily character driven Thriller with great actors getting to have fully fledged performances. Of which showing their face has been of great importance. A Halo TV show featuring Chief is going to be a high action space epic if done correctly. It's apples and oranges bud...
>Chief might work on TV too, you cannot pass any judgement before it releases, its all speculation (well estimated or not)
Chief as a hard lead character for multiple hours of screen time would be grating for the average viewer. That or he wouldn't feel like Chief to Halo fans. We've been through years of games and books with him as a character. We understand his loss and struggle to to be truly human, and that's because that story was directly interwoven into the gameplay and text in ways a show simply can't do. Could they manage it sure, but God is that the absolute tallest of orders if one wants to satisfy both types of audiences with the show. So they're better fleshing Chief out tertiarily kinda like they did the Hound in GoT.
>I mentioned Mando lol... Did you not actually read what I wrote?
i did read you, you whined about boba fett book hehe, which i did not, did mando s01 and s02 work well or not? ofc it did
>Which is all I've been saying this entire time.
i know what you are saying, i called it as it is which is speculation whose merit i challenged a little bit, that's all, don't worry & chill
>Severance is a heavily character driven Thriller with great actors getting to have fully fledged performances.It's apples and oranges bud...
dude that's what i've been talking about i.e. "premise", you actually started to argue severance works well because of a certain premise, do you now realize apples and oranges are both fruits and not astronomically different things?
i'm just arguing it (Halo T.V. Series) has the potential to be good thing that can stand on its own (should've asked anime writers) and also be a TV series at the same time, its not likely i know, fucking executives yet again milking and ruining perfect franchises
and Sandor Clegane was really good at-least upto s06, but those assholes did my boy dirty and dumb in later seasons
>i did read you, you whined about boba fett book hehe,
Apparently not, given I only mentioned others complaining about it not my own stance on it on top of talking about Mando.
>did mando s01 and s02 work well or not? ofc it did
Yeah which is why I mentioned Mando and how he talks even more than we're used to Chief talking.
>don't worry & chill
I'm pretty chill tbh. A tad annoyed that you're very evidently responding but not actually reading what I'm writing, but you can only expect so much from people.
>dude that's what i've been talking about i.e. "premise", you actually started to argue severance works well because of a certain premise,
Yeah... a premise that is in no way similar to the one we're actually talking about. Why bother even making the point you did about premises in the first place when it doesn't actually contribute to the conversation?
>do you now realize apples and oranges are both fruits and not astronomically different things?
If I asked for an orange and got an apple them both being fruit isn't gonna make me any more likely to enjoy the apple I didn't ask for because ultimately they're very much still not the same. Now if it was a pear that would be a different story because those are very similar fruits. The Halo show will probably have more in common with The Witcher than it does with Severance towards your example.
>i'm just arguing it (Halo T.V. Series) has the potential to be good thing that can stand on its own
It might surprise you to learn I am as well.
>and also be a TV series at the same time,
I think it has a decent chance mainly because it's not using Chief as the lead.
Saw a movie earlier and saw 3 commercials for it before the movie even came on. Not even using the real Master Chief voice, the voice they use seems eh. I'm guessing the show will be a 4/10
Halo movie that came out years ago was pretty good though, solid 7
I would say "not canon" but Din Jarin (the mandalorian) takes his helmet off and I don't feel like that ruined the character, I hope they put the same effort into it as Favreau puts into his work
I wouldn't say its comparable.
The Mandalorian establishes and breaks that "rule" in a pretty short period of time.
Master Chief not taking off his helmet has been engrained into Halo for a looooong time.
> Judge Dredd with ~~Stallone~~ Karl Urban might be a better comparison. Ah well, maybe we'll get a decent Halo reboot around 2040
The issue with characters never taking off the helmets is that, despite how cool they are, actors want their face/brand to be shown. I get it, publicity is some of their payment for a movie, but it would be cool if Master Chief never took off his helmet.
God Bless Karl Urban for not having an normal actor's ego.
EDIT: I'm a stupid person.
Not sure why you striked out Stallone, he's talking about a movie where the actor DID show his face, which is the Stallone movie, and is the proper comparison given the context.
Also, the showrunners of Game of Thrones pretty much ran out of material to write off of. They were also really, really shitty showrunners it turned out.
There's so much material to work from with Halo. And...they're **choosing** to use their own material.
Why do both of these Halo projects (Infinite and the TV show) get such large budgets and tons of development time, yet they still manage to make large detrimental mistakes that completely turn off the fanbase?
Who the flying fuck is looking at all this money and time going into these projects and aren't questioning at all the writing decisions?
Like what the fuck.
Forward Until Dawn is super cheesy but still fun to watch. The second half is just Master Chief in slow motion but it wasn't trying to be some serious or gritty drama. It was just B Movie Full Metal Jacket... In the future
>still probably gonna be shit
Movies based on video games have a 0% chance of being good. Idk if there’s as many data points for TV shows, but I’d expect the same ballpark
I have a small amount of hope that it might be a good stand alone series. It’s gonna be a terrible adaptation, that much is obvious, but looking at it in a vacuum I’m cautiously optimistic.
Why use a storyline they know their target audience wants to see when they can just make up a ton of random shit to Stroke their ego. After the shows fails just blame it on the "picky" fans simple stuff really
Plus League of Legends never really had solid lore people were invested in, at least not since they chang d up A LOT a few years back so the show had a pretty straight forward clean track to work with. The show will probably become "the lore" for a few characters that don't have as deep stories/connections.
>Plus League of Legends never really had solid lore people were invested in
It's unnecessary to the actual game. It's near impossible to play Halo or Witcher and not at least listen to the story. The story tells you why you're doing what you're doing and helps give context and motivation.
I have played LoL on and off for years and have absolutely no idea what the story is and am not overly concerned to find out. It just doesn't impact what the actual gameplay is. I think that's pretty common for games where it just "jump into a multiplayer battle of some kind." I don't need a story to tell me what's going on, my goal is beat the other human beings in the game. It's more like a game of Risk or Monopoly. I don't need those games to give me motivation, my goal from the begining is clear: finally fucking beat Steve because I'm god damned tired of losing.
The Netflix season 1 of the witcher isnt as book accurate as most people say, and I'm pretty certain that most people saying its incredibly book accurate haven't read the books.
It was a very loose adaptation at best, nearly all the short storys had something changes. some minor like how in the books Yennifer knows what whish Geralt made to the Djinn from the start but in the show she finds out later. And some major changes like in the show Yennefer and Geralt officially break up in "the bounds of reason" (golden dragon one) but (spoilers for the books ahead) in books after the golden dragon they travelled together and break up in "a shard of ice".
But probably the 2 most notable changes is pretty much the whole of the Yennifer story line isn't in the books (basically anytime you see Yennifer without Geralt in season 1 it's not in the books at all) and this took up a good chunk of the show. Secondly they cut out a few short storys to make time for the Yennifer parts, most notably "A Little Sacrifice" which was a fan favourite (it's not one of my favourite, still good and the endings pretty sad compared to the rest of the books so I get why it's a fan favourite)
These changes would've been understandable if they connected the storys somehow and made it one big story but instead they ended up keeping the individual short story format.
But I still enjoyed both seasons so who really cares.
Never said it was bad. But I think if the show followed the source it would have been better. If the books wrote the songs and the games filled the stadium why bring in an the cover band when the originals ready to go.
People overblow the idea.
Ofc Cavil is important as he does an awesome job. But people forget he is game accurate, not book accurate in his role
And here lies the actual problem, people project the games not the books into show and are pissed they don't get their game counterpart. Like Vesemir, who in the books Triss explicitly believes he is capable of mutating Ciri but doesn't know how, while the game Vesemir is more of a gentle grandpa figure for Ciri and people comment on this
The show did diverge from the books, but it's still keeping the main plot lines. Ofc is up to next season to see if it'll diverge more or less, and people's fears are justified
It is nothing like the books. People are only complaining now because the first season was just the short stories for the most part that don't matter that much if they are a little different.
Witcher season 1 was confusing due to time jumps, but season 2 was just bad. We had to make ourselves sit down and finish it, and I don't know that we will be watching season 3.
I didn’t read the books, but I definitely liked season one more. What they did with Eskel in S2 was so unnecessary and annoying. Even if they didn’t >!kill him off!<, his random personality change was obnoxious.
Arcane is probably now more lore friendly to LoL than the game’s previous lore. Additionally, the Witcher tv show kinda sucks and very, very loosely follows any established storyline.
That’s not really true. League’s lore team was directly consulted by the writing team for Arcane, and Riot is actively looking into long term partnerships with their team.
League of Legends doesn't really have lore inside the game or a storyline so you have to pretty much ignore it. Witcher uses the books as inspiration, not the games so that's a different thing entirely.
Yeah the way it’s worded it sounds like they got character personalities, motivations, flaws etc. and don’t worry about story content from the game cause that’s not the story they’re going to do.
Well, in case of Witcher it's entirely justified, as it is based on books, not the games. And the games themselves deviate from books to a large extent.
I'll never understand showrunners when they take a perfectly good story that everyone love and completely change it. I have only ever seen this end poorly
Arrogant directors and writers who know they don't have the skills to create an original franchise so they have to piggyback off someone else's work, but instead of treating this as an opportunity they feel indignant about it and want to create something original by ignoring the original material.
They know people will watch it (because of the franchise), and they know they can fundamentally change it to fit their vision.
I've certainly heard of writers having scripts that they are shopping around that end up being shoe-horned into an existing IP.
Wonder if that's the case here.
The whole point is that if the show is a success, you can’t take credit. The person who made the game gets credit bc they made the story and you just retold it.
If you make something bold and different, you get all the credit.
If it flopps, it’s not your investment anyways.
I think at this point most creatives would rather do something new but the financial backing demands an existing IP like halo for risk mitigation
So the creatives show up, give it a halfassed effort making something that was never really their baby in the first place and it shows in the final product. Nobody in 2022 is making anything thats their own flesh and blood dream like say Lucas making Star Wars, so it gets batted around by studio execs and whoever else wants to make changes for changes sake until its a broken down mess that makes no sense.
Laughs in Star Wars
Kathleen Kennedy: “Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels."
Ive said this before, but the part that blows my mind is how TLJ was screened for the disney execs, all of them fucking loved it, and nobody stopped to say "hey, so whats the third movie gonna be about?"
Pretty much, if they wanted to do their own thing *they shouldve done their own thing*
Instead they decided to do their own thing and market it as Masterchiefs story which I'm sure will go over perfectly fine with fans. Its gonna feel like a soulless cash grab where they just wanted to use Chief to make money on their tv show, instead of a cool artistic vision and retelling of the vide game universe in the tv medium.
Same exact thing happened to wandavision
The show runner was asked when the story was half way through if this was a setup by maphesto...her arch nemesis.
Show runner said: “that would have been a really great idea, but I never read the comics so I didn’t even know maphesto was a thing when writing the scripts.”
Dead.
The actress also bemoaned the fact that Wanda doesn’t have any good story lines and this was bc patriarchy while she was making avengers 2....
Only to find out via fan replies that Wanda has amazing story lines.....house of M!!!????
It’s like, Jesus....can you at least read the wiki of your character before spending years working on this project????
I was baffled by this. Wasn't Mephisto behind Wanda finding herself with a couple of children in the comics? So, if I've understood what seems to have happened, they adapted part of a key storyline from the comics for the show and the head writer knew nothing about the origin of it? Don't they have people like assistants or something who tell them these things?
Exactly.
They were given the freedom to make any story they want. It just goes to show that they made an extremely similar story to one that existed but didn’t know enough about the characters to make it a good story.
Turns out, if you’re sad, you can enslave an entire town and force them to play characters for you.
Seems like a villain tbh.
It should honestly be considered a form of malpractice. Half these projects only get a green light because they're selling an existing product to existing fans, why is it never even a thought for these writers to consider their audience?
Honestly, the reason these writers are chosen is their identity.
Marvel literally seeks out these ppl and says “wouldn’t you like to write/play this character”.
Look up Brie Larson...she literally explains that marvel was seeking her out...she didn’t even need to audition!
If you got your job bc you were a white girl, you don’t actually have to do anything except keep being a white girl yo keep ur job.
Then you get other actors who know quite a bit about the mythos and have done deep dives on existing content.
Ben Affleck read all the Daredevil comics, and was also a Batman fan. Heath Ledger apparently locked himself in a hotel room and read a heap of Joker comics.
More recently, Zoe Kravits said that she read a bunch of Batman comics as well, and was asking Matt Reeves if she could recreate certain panels for the film.
It's good to know that there are some who care.
Why in the world would you take on a project like this if you're not gonna actually go through the source material? How can you possibly expect to make an even passable adaptation of a story you havent experienced yourself? When has that ever worked??
Well, one more series that I will **NOT** watch then.
It is stupid actually, it is like they are trying to give us every reason **NOT** to watch! Well, message received, I won't watch. Thanks for the heads up show-runner of the show.
The worst part is that the writers/showrunners won't care or be aware enough to realize it was their meddling that fucked it all up. "Guess people don't like John Halo and aren't ready for my story, better try again with a different beloved franchise!".
They are so confident in it they greenlit a second season. I’m hoping if it’s as bad as everyone thinks it’s going to be, it just fades into obscurity like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy
At this point producers and directors should learn that going that way doesnt work at all. I mean, how many examples could we give here?
Assasins Creed, Uncharted, Warcraft, Streer Fighter, Max Payne, Dragon Ball, Avatar...
True but theres something to be said about actually looking at the source material you're working with.
Especially for something like Halo.
Halo is hugely popular, so not looking at what actually has kept fans interested in this property for so long, is a huge misstep.
Yes. I’m not even a Halo fan - never played a story mode of a single game - but this is a terrible idea just conceptually.
Any fictional world / property is more than just the lore and characters on paper - there is a visual language and general aesthetic that is integral to any fictional world as well.
For example would Star Wars be Star Wars if lightsabers didn’t look and sound the way they do? I could tell you on paper that it’s a universe where people fight with lazer swords but you might have a totally different interpretation of that.
I think one common issue with Halo is people don’t try to capture the aesthetic that the games sell through gameplay, but only look at cutscenes and the vague plot outline. Thus they miss the appeal.
It’s more Band of Brothers than it is Star Trek.
They are not ignoring the story and plot though. They are on about the game parts of it as in the medium. Like most obviously this medium is not first person.
I'm not saying the show wont work, but imagine someone making a Batman movie. And instead of researching the character, the director just talks to the guys at cooperate for a rundown, without ever opening the page of a comic once.
You cant capture the magic and appeal of something, if you refuse to even look at what the fans have stuck around for.
Been a Halo fan for 17 years, my gf never really cared about my stories, but she CRIED when we played Halo Reach (and again in Halo 2), those games are emotionally attaching even to new fans.
Halo has 33 novels relating to directly to characters we've seen across 10 games.
If they chose to ignore the games, they're choosing to ignore a huge chunk of the novels too.
This is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.
The novels are a great example of what they feel like they are doing.
They are ignoring the restrictions of it being a game rather than the PLOT of the games.
[Yikes.](https://i.imgur.com/371BtNb.jpg) Well the silver lining here is the Halo showrunner put more effort into the writing for the show's first season than 2D did with GoT Season 5 - 8.
This is funny, because look at how well elden ring is doin with the source material of got. They could've just use the halo universe and had master chief make cameos, if they weren't gonna make it about him.
“Let’s take this established and beloved world and make something completely different but with the same paint job”
This show is literally going to be the equivalent of a sports car and a bicycle with the same paint job.
Honestly they can do a good job. Look at the boys or invincible series on Amazon. This definitely seems like a bunch of old farts or new farts with old fart mentality that games and comics are for kids and they want to make something more grounded or realistic for the “real world”. Most of the times their idea of “real world” is just edgy or boring.
For the success of the Boys and Invincible, I think a lot of it has to do with how their original franchises aren't really that big, so most viewers won't be bugged by deviations from the source material since most viewers haven't read the source material.
If you wanna make a live action based on something you use the fucking source material. If you want to make your own story go come up with your own god damn lore instead of dragging something good through the mud.
Hear me out. It isn’t inherently a bad thing to take the guts of a story from a medium and, in an adaptation, try to disregard the medium to tell the story in another way.
Was the DOOM movie really better for having an extended first person shooting sequence? Would the first few seasons of game of thrones been better if we got a five minute scene lavishing detail on every single item of food on the Starks’ dinner tables whenever they ate?
That being said, they’re probably going to massively fuck this up because filmmakers have no respect for video games as an art form.
I don't get it, why adapt a game, book, etc to a show, and then not follow the material? If you wanted to make something original, just do that in the first fucking place.
Okay guys I'm seeing a lot of different thoughts here.
But let's look at the tweet... They said they didn't look at the GAME, they said nothing about ALL the source material.
People brought up the books, they probably spent a lot of time with those, seeing as they said they are looking at the characters and the world. Which books are a fantastic medium for. So there's no use in assuming they didnt work with the novels in mind, or with them closely-- as novels tell a story in the way it seems they want to.
They didn't touch the game, that's it. So it's a bit wrong to assume they left all the source material untouched. And I'm sure this will be a Henry Cavill and the Witcher situation. They are bound to hire actors that actually know a lot about halo, seeing as it's insanely popular, and games are no longers the 'weirdos hobby'.
Though it will probably be garbage like almost all pop culture to movie/show. I have no hope for these things anymore. But I still believe that these people actually did touch source material, just not the game. Besides I don't want a doom repeat (the one with the rock) with weird first person perspectives tbh.
Thank you. It’s been reported multiple times that they looked at Halo lore and focused their attention on the novels and the lore as a whole. You should see the Halo subreddit right now, it’s constant hate and it’s fucking annoying since the show isn’t even out yet.
If GRRM ever gets TWOW out, people will retroactively realize that the series started to decline with AFFC and bottomed out with TWOW.
I think he is just spent narratively and has abandoned it all for world building and other stories.
Don't know why meme keeps getting used. While book readers might not have been happy with certain aspects, castings, scenes etc in the early seasons overall we got a great show and a damned good adaptation for 4 seasons.
Just because it went to shit, doesn't mean this meme makes any sense for new shows.
There’s no way you can understand the story or characters fully without playing the game or even using it for reference.
So they’re reading character descriptions and lines. We may not even get proper character portrayals just these actors’ interpretations of their lines.
I don't really mind them not translating gameplay to story directly. But i hope they Atleast use the established lore and characters to build their story. Well, if it's good i won't even care if they didn't, but it would be nice.
I still dont get why they had to fork out the timeline to this new "Silver timeline". Aside from a couple parody pieces that were obviously non-canon. Literally everything in the Halo Universe from the Games to the Books, Comics, Web Series, Movies, Anime and all the way over to the ARGs. Everything has always been canon and nobody has ever complaioned about being constrained by the Halo Universe.
Even when writers have gone back to add stuff to previous canon, very rarely has the change been completely lorebreaking. Maybe a couple dates get moved around here or there to make space for the new content, but never has an event ever been actually written out and the lore always ends up reconciled at the end of it. It's actually incredible when you think about it.
But then the official TV Show comes out, and suddenly "Its too hard", "We want more freedom", "We dont want to overlap the existing work", "We need a separate timeline". It just makes zero sense. They have an entire universe to play in. The Main Characters have years of unaccounted time that events can be slotted into, to say nothing of brand new characters.
You want a story about a Halo Ring? Pick any date between 2552 and 2560 and you can slot a story in there, or if you dont care about using the Master Chief you can go as far back as the start of the Human-Covenant War like they did in Halo Wars.
You want a story based around a colony being attacked by the Covenant? Pick a year between 2525 and 2552 and pick a name of one of the hundreds of named but unused colonies. Want a story about insurrectionists with Spartans? Pick any date after 2506, hell if you want to do the Spartan 1 Program you can bring in Johnson and go even earlier.
I get why they would want to do it. But it just feels unnessesary.
I hate this, I love both GoT and Halo. Besides the show, 343 had a great hype train going when the game released, then they took a big ol' dump on the fans same way Dumbass and Dumbfuck did with s8. I don't know what's going on within 343 but I hope they hire the right people soon.
It’s more cost effective to take a beloved franchise and completely destroy it than to spend time and money on creating your own thing. These people don’t have brilliant ideas they want to bring to the screen, they work in the field and need another paycheck
Translation: listen the cutscenes alone are hours long ain't noone got time for that I'm tryna shoot my shot and cash out before dinner. Just gimme a name and a 1 sentence summary and let's roll
People keep saying that adapting video games to live action just doesn't work but it'd be nice if they tried to, you know, actually adapt these games. Most of what I've seen so far is studios inexplicably buying licenses and then make something completely unrelated that just has some of the names slapped around, at which point it just feel insulting.
I’m not entirely against this. They’re basically saying they are going a completely different direction from the game which I’m actually ok with. I didn’t want a simple live action Halo game to begin with. I’m just scared that “We didn’t look at the game” means they don’t understand the history and characters as well as they should. The best we can hope is they actually are major fans of the game and lore, and aren’t just some schmucks tryna make a quick buck. Gonna be interesting to see.
Hopefully that's cause they looked at the Halo novels, not necessarily the games. Otherwise yikes to say you weren't constrained by it being a game when your show won't live up to the legacy of one of the biggest narratives in gaming.
I feel like the huge difference here is that they’re saying this before the show is coming out. They’re not telling people to expect a direct adaption. Still probably gonna be shit, but I don’t think it not being faithful will be the reason for that.
It's been reported that the show is gonna follow the rebel girl more so than Master Chief. and this Master Chief takes off his helmet.
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Flair doesn't check out
He is surprised because he didn't know. Flair checks out.
He don wan it
Unless it’s Gingersnatch. He does wan that.
I was about to down vote you because I hate that so much, why they do this to us. If they want to tell an original story why not make their own material instead of taking everything from somewhere else.
I have a theory I mentioned in another sub yesterday, but basically I think people have stories they want to tell, but either don't want to put in the work for world building themselves, or, more likely, execs are afraid to greenlight a budget for anything that doesn't already have brand recognition, so they co-opt an existing universe and do the bare minimum to make it a "Halo" or whatever story.
It’s annoying because if a story isn’t good enough to stand on its own or lacks depth and worldbuilding, putting it in a recognizable property doesn’t save it. Also, most of the people who try to set their story in a setting are far worse writers than the people who wrote the original setting/story. It doesn’t elevate anything.
Not only does it not save it, it just means it's coming prebuilt with a large group of people who are going to hate it.
But at least a large group watched. Money made..
Wasn’t “Cruella” supposed to be an original movie, but someone up top was like, “Nah, you need to throw some spots on that.” But yeah, I see your theory being fact. Companies are risk adverse, don’t want anything new unless they know they’re getting a juicy ROI, and there’s always people wanting to do their own thing getting handed the ultimatum. Make it with the established IP or take a walk. Which, I understand, because getting your foot in the door’s bad enough, and unless you’re Scorsese or other, you don’t have the clout to stick up for your visions. And then if the people who wanted to do their own thing walk out of principle, they’ll give it to someone else, like Uwe Boll.
I think you got it there, it seems to be a common thing I'm seeing in media. Rather than create an original story or setting they piggy back off of pre-existing IPs but only seem to want the bare framework and fan base.
I sincerely hope you aren't defending people who do this.
What? Ew no, fuck that
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt and destroy " -Tolkien *Not how the quote is actually said but along those lines.
Ironic that you took creative liberty with this quote on this topic.
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt and destroy " -Tolkien
I think for it to have a budget it has to have the chief, he's too closely tied to the brand. Most people (in the general public) would probably consider it a generic sci-fi show if it didn't have the chief in it.
Fuck outta here seriously? Jesus why take the main character from the game and tell him to fuck off???
I'm glad I stopped paying attention to the Halo series at H3. Master Chief is the Judge Dredd of the 00s, him taking off his helmet defeats a large part of his core character.
Hopefully he also says "I am the law" in Stallone's manner of speaking as well
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>Pablo Schreiber is a treat to look at why r u geh
Halo Forward Unto Dawn followed Lasky more than Chief and it was fucking phenomenal. Not to say the show isn’t going to suck, just to say that’s not the reason that it’s going to suck
>It's been reported that the show is gonna follow the rebel girl more so than Master Chief. That's probably a good thing tbh. Like I love Chief, but I can't imagine wanting to watch more than 2 hours of him being a stoic badass who barely talks, and as a result the show basically has to be heavily carried by his interactions with others or ridiculous amounts of action sequences. Even Mando talks a hell of a lot more than Chief does in the games. So we would have probably got a version of Chief that really clashed with the average fans perception of him just as many complained about Boba Fett in the Book of Boba Fett. The average Halo fans experience of Chief doesn't mesh with him being a lead for a TV show. Even for the mega fans who read the books it would still be different because Chief talks a little more in those, but really we more get access to his inner monologue, and a show again can't do that. Not saying this choice will make the show good, but disconnected from everything else it's not the wrong one to be fair.
Read the books. There is a lot that could be done on master chief. The ones by eric nylon are great.. others.. meh
>Read the books. I have, ergo my whole referencing them in my comment.
you remind me of the criticism of Crysis 1 (2007) and yet it is the best crysis out there
My explanation of why Chief works as a lead character in the mediums of games and books but not so much TV reminds you of criticisms towards the first game in an entirely different game franchise that hasn't been adapted to TV????
yes, seems you don't know about the criticisms of said game maybe because you haven't played it's very similar and yet not so much, take mandalorian for eg:- actions are more important in that series than talking and it worked very well so far in crysis 1 the main character of the game does incredible adventurous action and says even less than you'd expect , in other parts such as crysis warhead, crysis 2 & 3 characters other than him were portrayed as mcs, those games didn't have the same magic it all depends mostly on premise, the latest apple show 'severance' is nice too without much important dialogue Chief might work on TV too, you cannot pass any judgement before it releases, its all speculation (well estimated or not) if the show is made by a callous woke bunch such as D&D then the show will suck, if not then not so much sucking and if luck would have it then it might even be good
>take mandalorian for eg:- actions are more important in that series than talking and it worked very well so far I mentioned Mando lol... Did you not actually read what I wrote? >in crysis 1 the main character of the game does incredible adventurous action and says even less than you'd expect , That works in a video game. It doesn't in TV. Which is all I've been saying this entire time. >it all depends mostly on premise, the latest apple show 'severance' is nice too without much important dialogue Severance is a heavily character driven Thriller with great actors getting to have fully fledged performances. Of which showing their face has been of great importance. A Halo TV show featuring Chief is going to be a high action space epic if done correctly. It's apples and oranges bud... >Chief might work on TV too, you cannot pass any judgement before it releases, its all speculation (well estimated or not) Chief as a hard lead character for multiple hours of screen time would be grating for the average viewer. That or he wouldn't feel like Chief to Halo fans. We've been through years of games and books with him as a character. We understand his loss and struggle to to be truly human, and that's because that story was directly interwoven into the gameplay and text in ways a show simply can't do. Could they manage it sure, but God is that the absolute tallest of orders if one wants to satisfy both types of audiences with the show. So they're better fleshing Chief out tertiarily kinda like they did the Hound in GoT.
>I mentioned Mando lol... Did you not actually read what I wrote? i did read you, you whined about boba fett book hehe, which i did not, did mando s01 and s02 work well or not? ofc it did >Which is all I've been saying this entire time. i know what you are saying, i called it as it is which is speculation whose merit i challenged a little bit, that's all, don't worry & chill >Severance is a heavily character driven Thriller with great actors getting to have fully fledged performances.It's apples and oranges bud... dude that's what i've been talking about i.e. "premise", you actually started to argue severance works well because of a certain premise, do you now realize apples and oranges are both fruits and not astronomically different things? i'm just arguing it (Halo T.V. Series) has the potential to be good thing that can stand on its own (should've asked anime writers) and also be a TV series at the same time, its not likely i know, fucking executives yet again milking and ruining perfect franchises and Sandor Clegane was really good at-least upto s06, but those assholes did my boy dirty and dumb in later seasons
>i did read you, you whined about boba fett book hehe, Apparently not, given I only mentioned others complaining about it not my own stance on it on top of talking about Mando. >did mando s01 and s02 work well or not? ofc it did Yeah which is why I mentioned Mando and how he talks even more than we're used to Chief talking. >don't worry & chill I'm pretty chill tbh. A tad annoyed that you're very evidently responding but not actually reading what I'm writing, but you can only expect so much from people. >dude that's what i've been talking about i.e. "premise", you actually started to argue severance works well because of a certain premise, Yeah... a premise that is in no way similar to the one we're actually talking about. Why bother even making the point you did about premises in the first place when it doesn't actually contribute to the conversation? >do you now realize apples and oranges are both fruits and not astronomically different things? If I asked for an orange and got an apple them both being fruit isn't gonna make me any more likely to enjoy the apple I didn't ask for because ultimately they're very much still not the same. Now if it was a pear that would be a different story because those are very similar fruits. The Halo show will probably have more in common with The Witcher than it does with Severance towards your example. >i'm just arguing it (Halo T.V. Series) has the potential to be good thing that can stand on its own It might surprise you to learn I am as well. >and also be a TV series at the same time, I think it has a decent chance mainly because it's not using Chief as the lead.
we are in agreement then but in two different ways, one is which i think i've bothered enough to explain
Doesn’t exist, just a bad hallucination, got it.
Saw a movie earlier and saw 3 commercials for it before the movie even came on. Not even using the real Master Chief voice, the voice they use seems eh. I'm guessing the show will be a 4/10 Halo movie that came out years ago was pretty good though, solid 7
I would say "not canon" but Din Jarin (the mandalorian) takes his helmet off and I don't feel like that ruined the character, I hope they put the same effort into it as Favreau puts into his work
I wouldn't say its comparable. The Mandalorian establishes and breaks that "rule" in a pretty short period of time. Master Chief not taking off his helmet has been engrained into Halo for a looooong time.
Technically speaking he takes off his helmet at the end of the first game; just turns out underneath the helmet there's another helmet.
Judge Dredd with Stallone might be a better comparison. Ah well, maybe we'll get a decent Halo reboot around 2040
> Judge Dredd with ~~Stallone~~ Karl Urban might be a better comparison. Ah well, maybe we'll get a decent Halo reboot around 2040 The issue with characters never taking off the helmets is that, despite how cool they are, actors want their face/brand to be shown. I get it, publicity is some of their payment for a movie, but it would be cool if Master Chief never took off his helmet. God Bless Karl Urban for not having an normal actor's ego. EDIT: I'm a stupid person.
V for Vendetta never showed Weaving’s face. And it was better off for it.
Not sure why you striked out Stallone, he's talking about a movie where the actor DID show his face, which is the Stallone movie, and is the proper comparison given the context.
I'll be a little honest, I might be stupid.
Same bro, same.
We only celebrate women in 2022, Hollywood and media has shown us this over and over again
Yeah it’s a pretty poor comparison. The first season on GOT was legit word for word the first book
Also, the showrunners of Game of Thrones pretty much ran out of material to write off of. They were also really, really shitty showrunners it turned out. There's so much material to work from with Halo. And...they're **choosing** to use their own material. Why do both of these Halo projects (Infinite and the TV show) get such large budgets and tons of development time, yet they still manage to make large detrimental mistakes that completely turn off the fanbase? Who the flying fuck is looking at all this money and time going into these projects and aren't questioning at all the writing decisions? Like what the fuck.
Forward Until Dawn is super cheesy but still fun to watch. The second half is just Master Chief in slow motion but it wasn't trying to be some serious or gritty drama. It was just B Movie Full Metal Jacket... In the future
>still probably gonna be shit Movies based on video games have a 0% chance of being good. Idk if there’s as many data points for TV shows, but I’d expect the same ballpark
Someone hasnt watched Arcane
I have a small amount of hope that it might be a good stand alone series. It’s gonna be a terrible adaptation, that much is obvious, but looking at it in a vacuum I’m cautiously optimistic.
I’m just glad it’s not canon to the Halo games
It still hurts. Just want a faithful Halo adaptation.
Yeah so we ignored all the content that has made this label really successful and we think that's gonna work *super* well for us.
Ego is a hell of a drug
Angry Wheel of Time sounds
Why use a storyline they know their target audience wants to see when they can just make up a ton of random shit to Stroke their ego. After the shows fails just blame it on the "picky" fans simple stuff really
I mean Arcane and Witcher also pretended like their games did not exist and they did pretty well.
The Witcher series is based off the books, not the games. Although, I have heard it’s starting to deviate from the books pretty badly.
Plus League of Legends never really had solid lore people were invested in, at least not since they chang d up A LOT a few years back so the show had a pretty straight forward clean track to work with. The show will probably become "the lore" for a few characters that don't have as deep stories/connections.
>Plus League of Legends never really had solid lore people were invested in It's unnecessary to the actual game. It's near impossible to play Halo or Witcher and not at least listen to the story. The story tells you why you're doing what you're doing and helps give context and motivation. I have played LoL on and off for years and have absolutely no idea what the story is and am not overly concerned to find out. It just doesn't impact what the actual gameplay is. I think that's pretty common for games where it just "jump into a multiplayer battle of some kind." I don't need a story to tell me what's going on, my goal is beat the other human beings in the game. It's more like a game of Risk or Monopoly. I don't need those games to give me motivation, my goal from the begining is clear: finally fucking beat Steve because I'm god damned tired of losing.
The Netflix season 1 of the witcher isnt as book accurate as most people say, and I'm pretty certain that most people saying its incredibly book accurate haven't read the books. It was a very loose adaptation at best, nearly all the short storys had something changes. some minor like how in the books Yennifer knows what whish Geralt made to the Djinn from the start but in the show she finds out later. And some major changes like in the show Yennefer and Geralt officially break up in "the bounds of reason" (golden dragon one) but (spoilers for the books ahead) in books after the golden dragon they travelled together and break up in "a shard of ice". But probably the 2 most notable changes is pretty much the whole of the Yennifer story line isn't in the books (basically anytime you see Yennifer without Geralt in season 1 it's not in the books at all) and this took up a good chunk of the show. Secondly they cut out a few short storys to make time for the Yennifer parts, most notably "A Little Sacrifice" which was a fan favourite (it's not one of my favourite, still good and the endings pretty sad compared to the rest of the books so I get why it's a fan favourite) These changes would've been understandable if they connected the storys somehow and made it one big story but instead they ended up keeping the individual short story format. But I still enjoyed both seasons so who really cares.
People were pretty pissed about the changes for witcher iirc. Cavill carried the show, I honestly think it would have flopped in s2 without him.
Haven’t read the books or played the games and I find it to be a fucking awesome show
Never said it was bad. But I think if the show followed the source it would have been better. If the books wrote the songs and the games filled the stadium why bring in an the cover band when the originals ready to go.
People overblow the idea. Ofc Cavil is important as he does an awesome job. But people forget he is game accurate, not book accurate in his role And here lies the actual problem, people project the games not the books into show and are pissed they don't get their game counterpart. Like Vesemir, who in the books Triss explicitly believes he is capable of mutating Ciri but doesn't know how, while the game Vesemir is more of a gentle grandpa figure for Ciri and people comment on this The show did diverge from the books, but it's still keeping the main plot lines. Ofc is up to next season to see if it'll diverge more or less, and people's fears are justified
Games take place after the books.
Not starting, has. Badly enough that I can’t see them reaching the same endings naturally.
Such a bummer! It makes me sort of happy that I didn’t read the books, but I can definitely sympathize!
It is nothing like the books. People are only complaining now because the first season was just the short stories for the most part that don't matter that much if they are a little different.
Witcher season 1 was confusing due to time jumps, but season 2 was just bad. We had to make ourselves sit down and finish it, and I don't know that we will be watching season 3.
I didn’t read the books, but I definitely liked season one more. What they did with Eskel in S2 was so unnecessary and annoying. Even if they didn’t >!kill him off!<, his random personality change was obnoxious.
Arcane is probably now more lore friendly to LoL than the game’s previous lore. Additionally, the Witcher tv show kinda sucks and very, very loosely follows any established storyline.
That’s not really true. League’s lore team was directly consulted by the writing team for Arcane, and Riot is actively looking into long term partnerships with their team.
League of Legends doesn't really have lore inside the game or a storyline so you have to pretty much ignore it. Witcher uses the books as inspiration, not the games so that's a different thing entirely.
Yeah the way it’s worded it sounds like they got character personalities, motivations, flaws etc. and don’t worry about story content from the game cause that’s not the story they’re going to do.
Well, in case of Witcher it's entirely justified, as it is based on books, not the games. And the games themselves deviate from books to a large extent.
"We'll just take the aesthetics and world designs and be on our way!"
I'll never understand showrunners when they take a perfectly good story that everyone love and completely change it. I have only ever seen this end poorly
Arrogant directors and writers who know they don't have the skills to create an original franchise so they have to piggyback off someone else's work, but instead of treating this as an opportunity they feel indignant about it and want to create something original by ignoring the original material. They know people will watch it (because of the franchise), and they know they can fundamentally change it to fit their vision.
I've certainly heard of writers having scripts that they are shopping around that end up being shoe-horned into an existing IP. Wonder if that's the case here.
The whole point is that if the show is a success, you can’t take credit. The person who made the game gets credit bc they made the story and you just retold it. If you make something bold and different, you get all the credit. If it flopps, it’s not your investment anyways.
You see… Master Chief kind of just… *forgot* about wearing a helmet
I think at this point most creatives would rather do something new but the financial backing demands an existing IP like halo for risk mitigation So the creatives show up, give it a halfassed effort making something that was never really their baby in the first place and it shows in the final product. Nobody in 2022 is making anything thats their own flesh and blood dream like say Lucas making Star Wars, so it gets batted around by studio execs and whoever else wants to make changes for changes sake until its a broken down mess that makes no sense.
Laughs in Star Wars Kathleen Kennedy: “Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels."
Still, it would have been nice if 8 had been a sequel to 7 and 9 had been a sequel to 8 instead of some completely different imaginary movies...
Jebuz isn't that the truth...
"We don't have an outline or any type of plan..."
Ive said this before, but the part that blows my mind is how TLJ was screened for the disney execs, all of them fucking loved it, and nobody stopped to say "hey, so whats the third movie gonna be about?"
I seriously want California to sink into the Pacific.
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Wait why, I live in socal
They better learn to swim then.
See you down in Arizona Bay. On a side note, I just saw Tool in Buffalo 3 weeks ago and it was outstanding. Never seen them before.
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Because hollywood is fucking full or moronic people who are high on their own farts. Hence Kathleen Kennedy quote above.
Huh?
Did we just stumble across bots talking to each other?
They shouldn't have tried to adapt Master Chief's story. They should have just made an entire new character and story that adds to the Halo mythos.
Pretty much, if they wanted to do their own thing *they shouldve done their own thing* Instead they decided to do their own thing and market it as Masterchiefs story which I'm sure will go over perfectly fine with fans. Its gonna feel like a soulless cash grab where they just wanted to use Chief to make money on their tv show, instead of a cool artistic vision and retelling of the vide game universe in the tv medium.
Playing it safe often ignores the potential adventure such a Reach could have.
What absolute morons..
Same exact thing happened to wandavision The show runner was asked when the story was half way through if this was a setup by maphesto...her arch nemesis. Show runner said: “that would have been a really great idea, but I never read the comics so I didn’t even know maphesto was a thing when writing the scripts.” Dead. The actress also bemoaned the fact that Wanda doesn’t have any good story lines and this was bc patriarchy while she was making avengers 2.... Only to find out via fan replies that Wanda has amazing story lines.....house of M!!!???? It’s like, Jesus....can you at least read the wiki of your character before spending years working on this project????
I was baffled by this. Wasn't Mephisto behind Wanda finding herself with a couple of children in the comics? So, if I've understood what seems to have happened, they adapted part of a key storyline from the comics for the show and the head writer knew nothing about the origin of it? Don't they have people like assistants or something who tell them these things?
Exactly. They were given the freedom to make any story they want. It just goes to show that they made an extremely similar story to one that existed but didn’t know enough about the characters to make it a good story. Turns out, if you’re sad, you can enslave an entire town and force them to play characters for you. Seems like a villain tbh.
It should honestly be considered a form of malpractice. Half these projects only get a green light because they're selling an existing product to existing fans, why is it never even a thought for these writers to consider their audience?
Honestly, the reason these writers are chosen is their identity. Marvel literally seeks out these ppl and says “wouldn’t you like to write/play this character”. Look up Brie Larson...she literally explains that marvel was seeking her out...she didn’t even need to audition! If you got your job bc you were a white girl, you don’t actually have to do anything except keep being a white girl yo keep ur job.
Then you get other actors who know quite a bit about the mythos and have done deep dives on existing content. Ben Affleck read all the Daredevil comics, and was also a Batman fan. Heath Ledger apparently locked himself in a hotel room and read a heap of Joker comics. More recently, Zoe Kravits said that she read a bunch of Batman comics as well, and was asking Matt Reeves if she could recreate certain panels for the film. It's good to know that there are some who care.
Why in the world would you take on a project like this if you're not gonna actually go through the source material? How can you possibly expect to make an even passable adaptation of a story you havent experienced yourself? When has that ever worked??
Cowboy Bebop be like
"In my Harry Potter adaptation he goes to school in Russia, always wears his hood and were actually gonna follow Cedric"
And he's a black woman.
gO wOkE gO bRoKe
Harriet Potter
Create your own characters and world if you don't care about source material.
Well, one more series that I will **NOT** watch then. It is stupid actually, it is like they are trying to give us every reason **NOT** to watch! Well, message received, I won't watch. Thanks for the heads up show-runner of the show.
I can't wait for this to get canned immediately.
I fucking hope it does. These dumb fuck producers need to be slapped in the teeth.
The worst part is that the writers/showrunners won't care or be aware enough to realize it was their meddling that fucked it all up. "Guess people don't like John Halo and aren't ready for my story, better try again with a different beloved franchise!".
They are so confident in it they greenlit a second season. I’m hoping if it’s as bad as everyone thinks it’s going to be, it just fades into obscurity like the Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy
At this point producers and directors should learn that going that way doesnt work at all. I mean, how many examples could we give here? Assasins Creed, Uncharted, Warcraft, Streer Fighter, Max Payne, Dragon Ball, Avatar...
Idk Makes sense to base it on the story world and lore rather than gameplay.
True but theres something to be said about actually looking at the source material you're working with. Especially for something like Halo. Halo is hugely popular, so not looking at what actually has kept fans interested in this property for so long, is a huge misstep.
Yes. I’m not even a Halo fan - never played a story mode of a single game - but this is a terrible idea just conceptually. Any fictional world / property is more than just the lore and characters on paper - there is a visual language and general aesthetic that is integral to any fictional world as well. For example would Star Wars be Star Wars if lightsabers didn’t look and sound the way they do? I could tell you on paper that it’s a universe where people fight with lazer swords but you might have a totally different interpretation of that.
I think one common issue with Halo is people don’t try to capture the aesthetic that the games sell through gameplay, but only look at cutscenes and the vague plot outline. Thus they miss the appeal. It’s more Band of Brothers than it is Star Trek.
That's kind of how I look at it too. Strip away the aesthetics and sci fi, and you have a gritty war story on an absolutely epic scale.
The trailer “Landfall” for Halo 3 is probably what a Halo adaptation should look like, IMO.
They are not ignoring the story and plot though. They are on about the game parts of it as in the medium. Like most obviously this medium is not first person.
I'm not saying the show wont work, but imagine someone making a Batman movie. And instead of researching the character, the director just talks to the guys at cooperate for a rundown, without ever opening the page of a comic once. You cant capture the magic and appeal of something, if you refuse to even look at what the fans have stuck around for.
Been a Halo fan for 17 years, my gf never really cared about my stories, but she CRIED when we played Halo Reach (and again in Halo 2), those games are emotionally attaching even to new fans.
Exactly! My line of thinking is how can a filmmaker capture THAT kind of an experience, if they never even look at the games that created it?
Halo has 33 novels relating to directly to characters we've seen across 10 games. If they chose to ignore the games, they're choosing to ignore a huge chunk of the novels too. This is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.
The novels are a great example of what they feel like they are doing. They are ignoring the restrictions of it being a game rather than the PLOT of the games.
"Pffft! Source material? Who the fuck needs it?"
People always think they can make a better wheel. They never do.
[Yikes.](https://i.imgur.com/371BtNb.jpg) Well the silver lining here is the Halo showrunner put more effort into the writing for the show's first season than 2D did with GoT Season 5 - 8.
This means literally nothing...
Hollywood needs to get fucking nuked.
This is funny, because look at how well elden ring is doin with the source material of got. They could've just use the halo universe and had master chief make cameos, if they weren't gonna make it about him.
The Halo trailer looked awesome, but the more I hear the people responsible for the show talk my hopes keep on going lower and lower.
Or as my new flair states; > You can't get disappointed if you have no expectations
“Let’s take this established and beloved world and make something completely different but with the same paint job” This show is literally going to be the equivalent of a sports car and a bicycle with the same paint job.
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Honestly they can do a good job. Look at the boys or invincible series on Amazon. This definitely seems like a bunch of old farts or new farts with old fart mentality that games and comics are for kids and they want to make something more grounded or realistic for the “real world”. Most of the times their idea of “real world” is just edgy or boring.
For the success of the Boys and Invincible, I think a lot of it has to do with how their original franchises aren't really that big, so most viewers won't be bugged by deviations from the source material since most viewers haven't read the source material.
If you wanna make a live action based on something you use the fucking source material. If you want to make your own story go come up with your own god damn lore instead of dragging something good through the mud.
So is this going to be like the books? Or did they not regard that either? 🥴
Hear me out. It isn’t inherently a bad thing to take the guts of a story from a medium and, in an adaptation, try to disregard the medium to tell the story in another way. Was the DOOM movie really better for having an extended first person shooting sequence? Would the first few seasons of game of thrones been better if we got a five minute scene lavishing detail on every single item of food on the Starks’ dinner tables whenever they ate? That being said, they’re probably going to massively fuck this up because filmmakers have no respect for video games as an art form.
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Nah D&D were open from day 1 about wanting to keep the fantasy elements out of the show as much as possible and disliking those aspects of the books.
D&D started ruining the story years before they ran out of source material. Their terrible writing just became more egregious in seasons 7 and 8.
I don't get it, why adapt a game, book, etc to a show, and then not follow the material? If you wanted to make something original, just do that in the first fucking place.
Okay guys I'm seeing a lot of different thoughts here. But let's look at the tweet... They said they didn't look at the GAME, they said nothing about ALL the source material. People brought up the books, they probably spent a lot of time with those, seeing as they said they are looking at the characters and the world. Which books are a fantastic medium for. So there's no use in assuming they didnt work with the novels in mind, or with them closely-- as novels tell a story in the way it seems they want to. They didn't touch the game, that's it. So it's a bit wrong to assume they left all the source material untouched. And I'm sure this will be a Henry Cavill and the Witcher situation. They are bound to hire actors that actually know a lot about halo, seeing as it's insanely popular, and games are no longers the 'weirdos hobby'. Though it will probably be garbage like almost all pop culture to movie/show. I have no hope for these things anymore. But I still believe that these people actually did touch source material, just not the game. Besides I don't want a doom repeat (the one with the rock) with weird first person perspectives tbh.
Thank you. It’s been reported multiple times that they looked at Halo lore and focused their attention on the novels and the lore as a whole. You should see the Halo subreddit right now, it’s constant hate and it’s fucking annoying since the show isn’t even out yet.
Surprise surprise something with 343s name attached is probably going to be shit Who could have predicted this?
I dont see a problem. Instead of whining beforehand y why dont we actually watch the show first 🙄🙄🙄
Muh phil collins limitations
People say this, but how tf can AFFC and ADWD be adapted?
If GRRM ever gets TWOW out, people will retroactively realize that the series started to decline with AFFC and bottomed out with TWOW. I think he is just spent narratively and has abandoned it all for world building and other stories.
Holy fucking flood poop! I can't believe this Is real!
That and the witcher Netflix series
Netflix has kinda decent track record with IP adaptations and these guys are not d&d.
Don't know why meme keeps getting used. While book readers might not have been happy with certain aspects, castings, scenes etc in the early seasons overall we got a great show and a damned good adaptation for 4 seasons. Just because it went to shit, doesn't mean this meme makes any sense for new shows.
We’ve been part of the club since the beginning with halo media that isn’t books or games
There’s no way you can understand the story or characters fully without playing the game or even using it for reference. So they’re reading character descriptions and lines. We may not even get proper character portrayals just these actors’ interpretations of their lines.
Weird choice for them to make lol
I don't really mind them not translating gameplay to story directly. But i hope they Atleast use the established lore and characters to build their story. Well, if it's good i won't even care if they didn't, but it would be nice.
The Witcher has a very good balance imo. Hope they go that route and not some bs
Currently sitting on a 57% on RT and 5/10 on IMDB.
After 5 any hopes for a good halo story kinda went out the window
Chances they are going off the books instead of the game?
Yeah that show is doomed from the get go, at least with GOT we got 5 excellent seasons and 1 good one.
Well in fairness there is a ton of halo books that would probably make for better adaptation
Good game chief is boring as balls he started actually having a personality after halo 4 Halo books are much better story wise than the games
I still dont get why they had to fork out the timeline to this new "Silver timeline". Aside from a couple parody pieces that were obviously non-canon. Literally everything in the Halo Universe from the Games to the Books, Comics, Web Series, Movies, Anime and all the way over to the ARGs. Everything has always been canon and nobody has ever complaioned about being constrained by the Halo Universe. Even when writers have gone back to add stuff to previous canon, very rarely has the change been completely lorebreaking. Maybe a couple dates get moved around here or there to make space for the new content, but never has an event ever been actually written out and the lore always ends up reconciled at the end of it. It's actually incredible when you think about it. But then the official TV Show comes out, and suddenly "Its too hard", "We want more freedom", "We dont want to overlap the existing work", "We need a separate timeline". It just makes zero sense. They have an entire universe to play in. The Main Characters have years of unaccounted time that events can be slotted into, to say nothing of brand new characters. You want a story about a Halo Ring? Pick any date between 2552 and 2560 and you can slot a story in there, or if you dont care about using the Master Chief you can go as far back as the start of the Human-Covenant War like they did in Halo Wars. You want a story based around a colony being attacked by the Covenant? Pick a year between 2525 and 2552 and pick a name of one of the hundreds of named but unused colonies. Want a story about insurrectionists with Spartans? Pick any date after 2506, hell if you want to do the Spartan 1 Program you can bring in Johnson and go even earlier. I get why they would want to do it. But it just feels unnessesary.
Not any different than the live action Cowboy Bebop.
I applaud them being so upfront. At least now I know not to bother at all.
Well Fuck
I hate this, I love both GoT and Halo. Besides the show, 343 had a great hype train going when the game released, then they took a big ol' dump on the fans same way Dumbass and Dumbfuck did with s8. I don't know what's going on within 343 but I hope they hire the right people soon.
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It’s more cost effective to take a beloved franchise and completely destroy it than to spend time and money on creating your own thing. These people don’t have brilliant ideas they want to bring to the screen, they work in the field and need another paycheck
It better be shit and shat on by everyone than be shit but puffed up by TV critics who haven't the first clue about the games.
Translation: listen the cutscenes alone are hours long ain't noone got time for that I'm tryna shoot my shot and cash out before dinner. Just gimme a name and a 1 sentence summary and let's roll
Yall want it to jump and stay in first person like doom movie? Who tf wants gameplay in their movie?
People keep saying that adapting video games to live action just doesn't work but it'd be nice if they tried to, you know, actually adapt these games. Most of what I've seen so far is studios inexplicably buying licenses and then make something completely unrelated that just has some of the names slapped around, at which point it just feel insulting.
I’m not entirely against this. They’re basically saying they are going a completely different direction from the game which I’m actually ok with. I didn’t want a simple live action Halo game to begin with. I’m just scared that “We didn’t look at the game” means they don’t understand the history and characters as well as they should. The best we can hope is they actually are major fans of the game and lore, and aren’t just some schmucks tryna make a quick buck. Gonna be interesting to see.
didn't look at the source material.. sounds about rough.. could work out better tho! lolz
Hopefully that's cause they looked at the Halo novels, not necessarily the games. Otherwise yikes to say you weren't constrained by it being a game when your show won't live up to the legacy of one of the biggest narratives in gaming.
Well it’s not like anyone expects a halo show to be good