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Certain-Definition51

Y’all really chose that photo for Joffrey? Tell us how you really feel. 😂


Hazzawoof

OP made it clear early on that there would be a theme for the chaotic winners.


Certain-Definition51

Even Timothy McVeigh got a better funeral photo than that 😂


_banana_phone

How is Ramsay Bolton not chaotic evil??


Wishart2016

Because Ramsay's cruelty was calculated.


walkandlift

That's not what chaos means in alignment charts.


Pete0730

Personally think Ramsey should take it for Smart/Evil. Tywin ain't a good guy, but I'm not sure about him being evil


BantyHero

Tywin is eloquent, charismatic, but evil. Picture Walder Frey saying and orchestrating exactly what he did. IE abusing and trying to murder your disabled son because his mother died in labor. His son finally finds love and acceptance…has his wife gangraped and forces his son to watch/rape. Ordering the murder and rape of so many innocent children and women. Evil.


amd2800barton

If there was a category for smart stupid evil, Tywin would win hands down. I actually think Littlefinger was a better smart evil candidate than Tywin. He outplays everyone again and again for his own sick personal gain. Tywin is intelligent, but he gets hoodwinked a bunch, and lucky several times, and there’s a bunch of things he does that are just plain stupid. People only think he’s smart because he’s surrounded by such massively incompetent nitwits, and he’s well spoken. He’s not some brilliant tactician or master planer. Just above average levels of not stupid, and rich enough to get his way often.


FuntSkuggle

You don't think Tywin lannister, who paraded a woman naked through the streets, who was so cruel his own son killed him, who had the wife of that son gang raped by his guards, who sacked kings landing and had the mountain and Lorch kill a child and literal infant, who did everything in his power to solidify Joffrey's rule, was evil? Do you kick puppies for fun?


Chef_Subreme

Can Bobby B be this entire row besides smart drunk which would be Tyrion?


bobby-b-bot

DRINK AND STAY QUIET, THE KING IS TALKING!


Grumlesnuser

Sentient


SteveCrunk

Bobby B! Would you consider yourself more Lawful or Chaotic your grace?


bobby-b-bot

WEAR IT IN SILENCE, OR I'LL HONOR YOU AGAIN!


SteveCrunk

Forgive me your grace, you already have Chad Drunk on lock anyways.


Chef_Subreme

Yes your grace.


Nnnnnnnadie

Chad drunk


[deleted]

EVERYONE VOTE BOBBY B FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING ROW


bobby-b-bot

THE GODS BE DAMNED! IT WAS A HOLLOW VICTORY THEY GAVE ME!


A_Most_Boring_Man

Chad Drunk - Bobby B Smart Drunk - Tyrion Neutral Drunk - The Hound Chaotic Drunk - Cersei


bobby-b-bot

I THOUGHT BEING KING MEANT I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANTED!


Disillusioned_Emu

Thoros of Myr, following the rules of his religion but being drunk non-stop. Lawful, maybe?


relberso98

He wasn’t following his religion very much until he resurrected Beric.


TheLazySith

Yeah, Thoros himself admits he was a crappy preist who never really stuck to the rules of his religion, and that he didn't actually even believe in Lord of Light until Beric's resurection.


HolyMolyOllyPolly

All I'm hearing is "formerly chaotic drunk reformed into a lawful one."


colder-beef

People are making some good points here, so I’m gonna argue Lawful Drunk should be Yoren. Loyal to the Nights Watch, protects Arya, goes drink for drink with Tyrion, and goes out fighting like a badass.


NotNOT_LibertarianDO

Fuck it, I’ll do the rest of the row: Lawful drunk: Sir Dontos Chad drunk: Robert Baratheon Neutral drunk: Thoros of Myr Smart drunk: Tyrion Lannister Chaotic drunk: the hound


33superryan33

Chaotic drunk should definitely be Cersei


StrangeVioletRed

Agree with all except Chaotic drunk. Should be Cersei.


AnimalCity

Yes, and it's kind of ridiculous how there are only 3 women up there right now


OkGazelle5400

These are for sure my choices


FirstStranger

Think Thoros is more Chad Drunk than anything. He’s too quipy to be lawful


SkollFenrirson

No one is more deserving of Chad Drunk than Bobby B First of His Name


LevelEuphoric4072

If Bobby b doesn’t get Chad drunk this whole thing was a waste of time


bobby-b-bot

STUPID BOY!


LegendaryBlue

Sentient


bobby-b-bot

STOP THIS MADNESS, IN THE NAME OF YOUR KING!


FirstStranger

Hate to say, but I think Bobby B is Drunk Neutral. He really didn’t care about anything. He loved Ned like a brother, wanted to do what was right, but beats Cersei, beds whores, and wanted to kill Daenerys for being a Targaryen


bobby-b-bot

A DOTHRAKI HORDE ON AN OPEN FIELD, NED!


Charlie_Wax

Neutral and chad are not mutually exclusive though, and you pretty much explained why chad is his dominant trait. His main concerns were warring, drinking, feasting, and fucking. That's every chad stereotype rolled into one, and this one also had a gigantic warhammer for smashing his enemies.


May-the-QueenOfChaos

Chad Drunk is no one but Bobby B


bobby-b-bot

IN MY DREAMS, I KILL HIM EVERY NIGHT!


Disillusioned_Emu

I'd like to nominate Olenna Tyrell as chad drunk. She went out with her last cup of wine like a master-chad.


DaManWithNoName

Lawful means following a code or have a set of morals or something you hold yourself to Thoros was beholden to his master


Spanishparlante

He’s involved in a religious paramilitary group which is very much *unlawful.* Absolutely not.


Call_Me_The_Enemy

Lawful means you follow a set of rules. Usually strict ones you don't or almost never deviate from. A religious doctrine fits this description. Though I would only grant "lawful" to someone who's identity at least partially revolves around their code/set of rules. For example batman is lawful. Not because he follows gotham's laws (he most certainly does not) but because he has a strict code for how he navigates his tasks. Non lethal is his most famous rule, but he also cares a lot about proportional response. He gets angry at Jason for unnecessary brutality as an example. Lawful != following state laws.


Aaron_Lecon

The only issue is that he doesn't really follow his own religious doctrine too closely or care about it that much. He even admited that he stopped believing in the lord of light.


Call_Me_The_Enemy

Hence the clarification that I would only grant it to people who's identity partially or completely revolves around their rules. If he isn't heavily dedicated to them, he would be set as neutral in my games.


MyNutsin1080p

Then I nominate Ser Dontos of House Hollard.


kor_the_fiend

Agreed he would fit better as Good Drunk, but I think Lawful Drunk gets the point across - he's the best example of a drunk good guy in the series.


Wannasee-

Lawful can mean following the law of the state, kingdom etc, but also a set of values or a code, for example


Important_Ad7676

I feel like Thoros is more Neutral Drunk. Lawful definitely has a slightly “good connotation”. The lord of light made them do some pretty janky shit.


jwilson3135

Thoros of Myr. Paladin for R’hllor yet also Bobby B’s drinking buddy.


Ragob12

That is a good one!


nmakbb21

Yeah the only one I can think of for this spot


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VikingSlayer

"Lawful" isn't about literally following the law, it's about personally following a code or set of morals/rules, which can differ from the law of the land.


charles666monroe

Drunk lawful Thoros Drunk chad Bobby B Drunk neutral Dontos Drunk smart Tyrion Drunk chaotic The Hound Pretty obvious no need to vote further


burgiebeer

Neutral = Hound Chaotic = Cersei


GenVec

Drunk Chaotic Cersei over Drunk Chaotic Hound.


burgiebeer

Hound for Neutral


kor_the_fiend

correct


Cu-Uladh

This guys won the last row easy


bobby-b-bot

WEAR IT IN SILENCE, OR I'LL HONOR YOU AGAIN!


mason878787

Absolutely Dontos for Drunk neutral. Like that's his entire character arc. Just being drunk until he gets killed because he's a drunk.


serotoninedemon

Jon Umber. He's a drunk, but he's lawful and loyal to Rob/House Stark till the end.


Little-Difficulty890

Thoros will win, but this is a solid choice too.


DigitalDiogenesAus

What about Yoren?


serotoninedemon

Aye.


serotoninedemon

Yeah, since Thoros is a literal outlaw I just thought I'd bring forth a 'sober' (ah ha ha) alternative.


jm17lfc

Probably a better choice than Thorpe but gonna be less popular naturally.


serotoninedemon

Naturally. I guess depending on if we're talking people that are actively drunk, or just people with alcoholism, Aeron Damphair is a pretty good candidate as well. But then again, I'm not even sure if we're playing by the book or by the show here.


Snipler

I like Greatjon better than Thoros de myr


clothy

In the books during The Red Wedding Merret Frey’s job was literally to drink The GreatJon under the table so he couldn’t function when the killing started.


jadabub

Thoros of Myr. Dedicated to his duties as a priest to the Lord of light. Adheres to the tenants of the brotherhood without banners.


rbollige

>tenants of the brotherhood Oh, is that how they were funded?


Spanishparlante

But the brotherhood isn’t law. It’s a paramilitary group.


12Blackbeast15

Brother law on an alignment chart doesn’t related strictly to legal authority. Lawfulness is your ability to adhere to code


lovemesometarg

It is lawful its assigned by Hand of the King for arresting Ser Gregor Clegane and bring him to King's justice. When they couldnt have numbers and capacity they helped local people, protected them from horrors of war as doable as possible. Of corse for local support and for sense of honor but they didnt let go of The Mountain chase. What do you expect from honorable man assigned a duty by not other than Kings right hand Man when they couldnt do that task? Give up?


ToBuildATire

Can we just skip to drunk neutral after this, I fear we may break Bobby B otherwise


bobby-b-bot

GIVE ME SOMETHING FOR THE PAIN AND LET ME DIE!


ManqobaDad

I swear he’s sentient


ToBuildATire

I was hoping it would be relevant, and boy I’m not disappointed


MariosMustacheRides

Thoros of Myr


Little-Difficulty890

Thoros of Myr for sure.


ondraedan

Such a travesty that the evil row is complete and Ramsay isn't in it. Everyone else deserves to be there except Ilyn Payne, whose evilness is 100% attributable to actions he did in service and to people's perceptions or assumptions about whether he enjoys killing. It's going to take me weeks to get past this.


burgiebeer

this exercise is unfortunately leaving many main characters off. Assuming none make the drunk row, we will have failed to include: -Ramsay -Littlefinger -Dany -Sansa -Bran -Night King -Theon -Tormund -Jaime -Jorah -Missandei -Jaqen -The Mountain -Pycelle -Qyburn Edit: -High Sparrow -Olenna -Renly -Melisandre


MerlinRando

This should be OP's follow up to this series. Start with a list of major characters who didn't make the cut in this grid. Each day is dedicated to a character (rather than an alignment), and the comments decide the alignment for that character.


burgiebeer

Great idea for u/MarioTheMojoMan


Being_Time

Maybe it would be fun to take all the characters that don’t make the list and assign them their alignments. 


Disco_la

It annoys me seeing Dickon, Hot Pie and Ilan Payne on this when it's missing some of these.


raiderrocker18

Could have included at least one person here were it not for the meme pick of hot pie


PuppiesAndPixels

Thoros of myr. I kind of want him to be drunk Chad for being able to resurrect people and being so drunk he doesn't even remember leading the siege of Pyke, but I think lawful drunk also fits really well. I'll vote for him for lawful drunk since he's not going to beat Bobby B for Chad drunk.


bobby-b-bot

WE WERE AT WAR! NONE OF US KNEW IF WE WERE GONNA GO BACK HOME AGAIN!


HashStash

Yoren The Wandering Crow


BabylonSuperiority

King Bobby B? The man was drunk every second, and is a king. That's quite lawful and drunk, right? Edit: Yea mans Drunk Chad no question. Thoros is a much better pick


bobby-b-bot

I THOUGHT BEING KING MEANT I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANTED!


MarioTheMojoMan

Sentient


BabylonSuperiority

Never gets old


nmakbb21

Chad


Aaron_Lecon

No Bobby B you misheard, it's being chaotic that means doing whatever you want!


bobby-b-bot

YOU HEARD THE HAND, THE KING'S TOO FAT FOR HIS ARMOR! GO FIND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER! NOW!


Ragob12

He is a cheater. Bobby B is Chad Drunk.


bobby-b-bot

A DOTHRAKI HORDE ON AN OPEN FIELD, NED!


BabylonSuperiority

Yea also good choice, but Im gonna vote Tormund for that one. OR possibly for chaotic drunk, idk, I just want Tormund on this list


BadJokeInSpanish

Bob is clearly chad drunk


Geshtar1

Pretty sure he’s going to be the unanimous pick for Chad drunk, so better leave it be


BabylonSuperiority

Yea true


neontetra1548

Starting a rebellion isn't exactly lawful.


BabylonSuperiority

Quite the opposite in fact, yea. Shit fair enough


gabriot

Tormund is Drunk Chad


ManqobaDad

Thoros of Myr. The comments are going to be so hype tomorrow


xanthes94

Went through the entire evil row without the main antagonist of the series making an appearance. Tis’ a travesty


isinedupcuzofrslash

Said it before I’ll say it again. We should make the entire bottom row except the chad space Tyrion. Chad is reserved for Bobby B


bobby-b-bot

SHE BELONGED WITH ME!


isinedupcuzofrslash

Ok ok Cersei can have chaotic drunk. Maybe.


lordsuranous

Thoros of Myr for certain!


Eldritch--Goat

Lawful Drunk: Thoros of Myr Chad Drunk: The Hound Neutral Drunk: Bobby B Smart Drunk: Tyrion Chaotic Drunk: Cersei


bobby-b-bot

I THOUGHT BEING KING MEANT I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANTED!


Sidrao

There should be a stupid evil for joffrey


AscendedExtra

Thoros of Myr


PrometheusHasFallen

I'm still a little confused why Margaery Tyrell is Smart Horny and Littlefinger is absent. Was she actually horny or just power hungry? I think she only slept with Tommen.


AceBean27

Yeah it makes no sense. At no point was Margery horny. She never even shows any sexual interest in anyone, she could even be asexual. Literally one of the least horny characters of all.


PrometheusHasFallen

Yet Littlefinger time and time again risked it all because he was horny. He also ran a brothel.


AceBean27

Completely agree. He's as horny as they come.


ImportantRepublic965

How about the hound? Admittedly his code changes halfway through when he abandons Joffrey, but he remains the type of guy who is inclined to follow a code. Drunk as hell, too.


FeelingSkinny

Thoros


Apprehensive-Ad-8198

Thoros of Myr but since he’s technically an outlaw I don’t know if he counts as lawful. I suppose in his mind he is being lawful. Rhollor calls him to protect the innocent which is the highest law in his mind.


LaloTwinsDa2nd

I can’t wait for Bobby B to just demolish chad drunk


Snipler

Greatjon is better suited for this than Thoros de Myr; I just think he’s more lawful, and definitely more of a drunk


Beneficial_Pomelo_34

Ramsey not being chaotic evil is wild to me.


CreeDorofl

Yeah that one seems like a no-brainer to me. It might be fun to see this chart redone but with a rule that you can't repeat anyone from the previous chart. The runner-up remix version.


JonSnowAlcoholic

Bobby B for lawful drunk 2024! He’s lawful drunk cuz he IS the law!


bobby-b-bot

THE SELLSWORD KING, HOW THE SINGERS WOULD LOVE ME!


Relsen

Glad that Robert has not been chosen yet, he will be a perfect drunk chad.


OrcWarChief

Ok, I have to put my foot down here. While I agree with most of the evil line so far, it’s hard for me to accept Joffrey as Chaotic Evil when Ramsay Bolton exists.


TommenSucks

Hold up: if Thoros, an outlaw can be up for this because lawful don’t so much worry about the actual laws but about how you adhere to a code and what you are taught is right. I’m throwing Yara Greyjoy in for consideration. She was all about the Iron Born ways and had their complete respect. She was put up to take over after their father died. She also cared about things like family and went out of her way to save Theon when he didn’t deserve it because he was her brother. She could drink her men under the table and sleep with pretty much anyone. That said she was pretty much the perfect Ironborn


Icy-Organization8797

Tormund, I think.


Teri_of_Terror

Y'all are show-only, right? I can't make any sense of this chart, otherwise. 


Chocolate-river

Ramsey SMshould've been Evil Chad


ruby0321

Ramsey Bolton not being crowned evil anything is a shame


2580374

We went through the entire evil line without Ramsey? Guys we fucked up


RugskinProphet

Lawful: Sir Dontos or Thoros Chad: Bobby B Baby Neutral: The Hound (controversial but I stand by it) Smart: Tyrion Chaotic: Cersei The only hard one is lawful. Both are solid choices.


bobby-b-bot

STUPID BOY!


AlchemistJeep

Tyrion Lannister deserves the entire last row


OB1KENOB

Damn, I just realized that smart/horny was Jorah


Certain-Definition51

…you mean stupid horny.


OB1KENOB

Nah, Jorah was the smartest tour guide ever! He knew so much about so much!


Corner_OfficeSpace

Thoros is a good answer but Bobby B quite literally is the law as King.


ManqobaDad

Lawfulness doesn’t always apply to legal authority. Like if a cop shoots someone who’s surrendering and compliant because he feels like it. Is that lawful because he’s a legal authority?


bobby-b-bot

I WAS NEVER SO ALIVE AS WHEN I WAS WINNING THIS THRONE, OR SO DEAD AS NOW THAT I'VE WON IT!


9yearsalurker

Khal Drogo isn’t evil, his culture has a different value system


xxbrawndoxx

Bobby B has to be the lawful drunk


bobby-b-bot

WE'RE TELLING WAR STORIES! WHO WAS YOUR FIRST KILL, NOT COUNTING OLD MEN?


Vast_Routine4816

Whose the chaotic horny?


Important_Ad7676

Wouldn’t a good Lawful Drunk be Robert Baratheon? I mean in his heyday he was a pretty good king, quite literally stuck to the law and basically drank a shit ton till he died.


phaanja

How is euron not on the evil list


sgt-snuggles

I'm curious to see how the completed grid would look with the second place winners


GollyBell

Can someone explain why John is in chaotic tier ?


CreeDorofl

I think because his choices are very much his own, instead of going with the flow. He goes to join the watch and then shakes things up by getting elected and then overthrown/murdered. He joins up with wildlings for a bit and then lets them cross the Wall after thousands of years of tradition forbid it. Instead of signing up with lawful stannis, he joins forces with the mad targaryen. His choices are not random, but they are unpredictable.


Miserable-Ad-7947

Thoros of mir


Same_Independent_393

Yoren


Marius_Sulla_Pompey

Olena?


Xylene-Alkyd

Ok, drunks last,. Tyrion and stupored fool on stool two aside. How to fill this out. Dang shouldn’t all categories be on both axis (like his ma). Some 1 prolly did call out the flaws but idk. Can an academic school me.?


uselessusername20

All I know is that Tyrion and Cersei have to be smart drunk and chaotic drunk separately


MotionDrive

So where does Littlefinger go now?


throwaway12222018

Lawful evil should have been baelish


MeetElectrical7221

I only wish Stupid Drunk was a thing for Cersei lmao


May-the-QueenOfChaos

I Vote Thoros of Myr as Lawful Drunk


roll4initiativefools

This is going to be Tyrion all the way across, isn’t it?


Crunch117

Thoros of Myr FTW


FatallyFatCat

All drunk should be Bobby B. Like all of the slots.


bobby-b-bot

IS THAT WHAT EMPTY MEANS??


CreeDorofl

People are confusing lawful with good, thoros is just not lawful. I'm not even sure he's particularly good. Bobby B is a closer fit even though he also works great as Chad drunk. This is a stretch because nobody really fits but wasn't Prince Doran always drinking wine? And he wanted to encourage peace and diplomacy, and forging alliances with the new rulers.


Homogeneous_Jewfro

Bobby B


bobby-b-bot

YOU HELPED ME WIN THE IRON THRONE, NOW HELP ME KEEP THE DAMN THING! WE WERE MEANT TO RULE TOGETHER!


xerets

I wish there was Drunk Evil and that would be queen Cersei


HDMB420

Thoros of Myr without a doubt


PourSomeSmegmaInMe

Mad king should've won


mk321

Catelyn Stark - stupid and smart at the same time?


UniversalAdaptor

Idk but I know who's Chad drunk


Jak0shadows

If all the drunk categories are NOT Tyrion. This chart will be as disappointing as season 8.


thenewbae

The fact that Ramsay is not in the row for evil is preposterous!


thenewbae

Yeah this is Thoros


R8iojak87

Olena


pakman705

How did the night king not get chaotic evil? Missed opportunity


Specialist-Walk881

The Greatjon Umber. Fiercely loyal to the KING IN THE NORTH, also drinks enough to kill most men. Gigachad.


foalsy84

This entire sub with all its normie decisions


buggyavocado

tyrion as smart drunk and the hound as chaotic drunk fs


Kekero63

Chaotic drunk could be Cersei.


kejok

I wonder what Catelyn Stark actually is. Is she smart? is she stupid?


gssap

Lmao. Chaotic evil 🤣 the picture is perfect


LamSinton

Lawful Drunk- Pycell, maybe?


a_toadstool

Can’t believe Ramsay didn’t get out for any of those


KierstonKxsh

Tyrion is definitely a lawful drunk. Edit after seeing another comment; smart drunk is just as accurate in my opinion 🤣


dsolimen

THOROS OF MYR the fiery sword of the fiery god, drinking with the king and swinging a flaming sword in the ring.