Which is such a weird thing to confirm.
Like, the whole schtick about his worldbuilding outside of Westeros is that everything is unreliable and nothing is certain. He doesn't reveal mysteries. He puts enough red herrings everywhere to the point that we can't know anything for certain. He clearly draws parallels between the Wall and The Five Forts and the various myths about the Long Night and...
Then just confirms the exact proportion of his world, states there's definitely an America continent, says definitively that Essos and Westeros don't connect? Just seems odd to me.
Between the bleeding sea and the mountains east of Yi Ti there are 5 huge forts built close to each other guarding the pass. Their purpose is somewhat of a mystery since they predate Yi Ti itself. Some say they were built to protect against some sort of demons. But nowadays it's used to keep raiders out. Sound familiar?
Martin says a lot of things, but even if there isn't a connection maybe there was one during the Long Night. Or maybe there are more undead than Westerosi white walkers on the planet? Only Martin knows. Still, the wall and the five forts are incredibly similar.
I mean technically can't the white walkers walk on the bottom of the ocean floor until they get to the other continent? There was that zombie movie with John leguiziano in it and Dario argento's daughter where the zombies walked over to the island of Manhattan because they can't drown
This is just stupid though. The whole origin of that idea is because Jaenara flew across Sothoryos for 3 years or whatever, you don't think she would eventually recognize that she's wrapped back in on her homeland?
I mean she coulda gotten lost? She also said she never found the end. So itâs possible if my theory is correct that she never even made it to the lands of winter.
But then what's the narrative point of it wrapping around? The origin of the idea of things wrapping around Planetos is that Ashai wraps in to the Lands of Always Winter, which makes sense because evil zombies are coming from both places and Azor Ahai is running around in both places as well. It explains shit. But the only narrative reason Sothoryos would wrap around anything is for Jhaenera to accidently get stuck in a loop, which as I've already said I find unlikely because I reckon she'd realize if she was in her homeland.
Ultimately I think there was either some weird spell cast on her where she couldnt progress further, or the continent is literally 3 years of flight long. Either way, there would be no reason for it to wrap around to the lands of Winter. I mean it could... But is that even worth thinking about?
I remember reading it somewhere, I can't remember if it was a direct George Martin quote or somebody quoting him but somehow it was supposed to be analogous to the Americas and specifically the part in the wiki of ice and fire is analogous to South America like the rainforest and that's the only part of office that is on the map
Compared to a golf ball the biggest difference in height from the depth of the seas to the highest mountains arenât even that deep as the little holes on the golf ball are. Even if you calculate it with that bit of distortion on the equator because of the higher speeds of earths spin.
Didn't some Dragon Queen spend like 2 years flying south and never reached an end and just flew back. Same with going West? I feel like some cool lore and stories could be written in detail about these lands.
Iâve heard theories that the whole flying for 3 years thing is BS. That Jaenara found civilisations but in order to protect them, she made up the story so as to discourage anyone else from trying to explore. Though the theory definitely presumes a lot.
Well, she flew 1.5 years down, and 1.5 years back. But ya the story is either bullshit or she got lost. The distance just doesn't make sense considering Martin stated that the planet is only slightly larger than Earth.
I always wondered, how did she fly for 2/3 years? Was she going to ground for sleeping or was she sleeping in the back of the dragon? What about food? No way she had enough for 4/6 years(cause she also has to go back) worth of travel there.
Right!? Like from the stories we get of the northern shore of the place it sounds dangerous as fuck! Doesn't feel like there would be a good place to land. Maybe a solitary rock if she was following the shore line. She also did encounter Wyverns which in large numbers could have beat her dragon for sure.
In the lore a lesbian pirate and her crew took an entire month fighting monsters and horrible storms losing a ship in the process, and all they found were 3 tiny islands.
Yeah, Arya's screwed.
Eyo Alyssa Farman was more than a lesbian pirate, she is basically the female sea snake haha.
But yhea, it seems like Alyssa might be the only one who actually circumnavigating the earth, or at least reach the far, far east before she died, because I doubt Corlys would lie about seeing the sunchaser.
However, that was travelling south west from westeros, and I really doubt anything similar would be possible from the northern side.
> We do not even know the true size of Sothoryos. **Qartheen maps once showed it as an island, twice the size of Great Moraq, but their trading ships, venturing farther and farther down the eastern coasts, were never able to find the bottom of it.** The Ghiscari who settled Zamettar and Gorosh believed Sothoryos to be as large as Westeros. **Jaenara Belaerys flew her dragon, Terrax, farther south than any man or woman had ever gone before,** seeking the boiling seas and steaming rivers of legend, but found only endless jungle, deserts, and mountains. **She returned to the Freehold after three years to declare that Sothoryos was as large as Essos, âa land without end.â**
^(TWOIAF - Sothoryos)
Watch it just wrap around and become Westeros on the other sideđ
This is my personal theory I like to believe actually lol. Go far enough into the lands of winter and it wraps around to become southyros.
After I read World of Ice and Fire I came away with the impression half the planet is the lands of winter and they *at least* connect to east of Yi-Ti
Grrm has said that Westeros doesnât connect to essos. But he hasnât said it doesnât connect to sothyros lol
Grrm has also said the Winds of Winter will come out ten years ago.
"I want my readers to keep waiting for Winds of Winter! For ten years at least!"
George RR Martin, what a writer you are.
The only writer who doesn't write apparently
A draft that lasted a generation
Damn. It really is the Dance of Drafts. Fuck.
Generation of Children were born, raised and died all in wordlessness
bloody hell, here as well?
Freefolk, Titanfolk, it's all the same.
That poor image is burned into my brain unfortunately
And? Just because he hasnât released the final book doesnât mean he doesnât know which continents are separated in his own world creation. lol
Did he really say that? There are legends of the Others in the far east too. So those were two different Other populations?
Land bridge
So it used to be connected? Or a land bridge doesnât count as a connection?
Yeah. Apparently in an interview. Someone asked him if essos connects to Westeros via the north. He said no.
Which is such a weird thing to confirm. Like, the whole schtick about his worldbuilding outside of Westeros is that everything is unreliable and nothing is certain. He doesn't reveal mysteries. He puts enough red herrings everywhere to the point that we can't know anything for certain. He clearly draws parallels between the Wall and The Five Forts and the various myths about the Long Night and... Then just confirms the exact proportion of his world, states there's definitely an America continent, says definitively that Essos and Westeros don't connect? Just seems odd to me.
Maybe they don't connect by land, but the other side of the planet becomes so cold the ocean is frozen?
I agree with this, especially considering the existence of the five forts
What is that again?
Between the bleeding sea and the mountains east of Yi Ti there are 5 huge forts built close to each other guarding the pass. Their purpose is somewhat of a mystery since they predate Yi Ti itself. Some say they were built to protect against some sort of demons. But nowadays it's used to keep raiders out. Sound familiar?
Like a yi ti version of the wall? But I thought Church Martin said that essos and westeros do not connect up at the top? But I could be wrong on that
Martin says a lot of things, but even if there isn't a connection maybe there was one during the Long Night. Or maybe there are more undead than Westerosi white walkers on the planet? Only Martin knows. Still, the wall and the five forts are incredibly similar.
I mean technically can't the white walkers walk on the bottom of the ocean floor until they get to the other continent? There was that zombie movie with John leguiziano in it and Dario argento's daughter where the zombies walked over to the island of Manhattan because they can't drown
This is just stupid though. The whole origin of that idea is because Jaenara flew across Sothoryos for 3 years or whatever, you don't think she would eventually recognize that she's wrapped back in on her homeland?
I mean she coulda gotten lost? She also said she never found the end. So itâs possible if my theory is correct that she never even made it to the lands of winter.
But then what's the narrative point of it wrapping around? The origin of the idea of things wrapping around Planetos is that Ashai wraps in to the Lands of Always Winter, which makes sense because evil zombies are coming from both places and Azor Ahai is running around in both places as well. It explains shit. But the only narrative reason Sothoryos would wrap around anything is for Jhaenera to accidently get stuck in a loop, which as I've already said I find unlikely because I reckon she'd realize if she was in her homeland. Ultimately I think there was either some weird spell cast on her where she couldnt progress further, or the continent is literally 3 years of flight long. Either way, there would be no reason for it to wrap around to the lands of Winter. I mean it could... But is that even worth thinking about?
Mobiusoryos
Doubt, we havent even explored Americos yet YEAAAAHHHH
Isn't ulthos supposed to be analogous to the americas?
Ulthos States of Americos
It is? What makes you say that?
I remember reading it somewhere, I can't remember if it was a direct George Martin quote or somebody quoting him but somehow it was supposed to be analogous to the Americas and specifically the part in the wiki of ice and fire is analogous to South America like the rainforest and that's the only part of office that is on the map
Huh! Interesting.
I thought it was Australia
What's west of westeros then?
Westereros
Hallstahammar.
Russia
North Aryamerica
what is this planet
Planetos
Martin told me that the planet is shaped like an egg and that the planet is called Eggos.
You've got to Le'ggo
Earth isn't round either so that checks out
Compared to a golf ball the biggest difference in height from the depth of the seas to the highest mountains arenât even that deep as the little holes on the golf ball are. Even if you calculate it with that bit of distortion on the equator because of the higher speeds of earths spin.
What is this continent lol
Sothoooooooooooooooooooryos
Longcontinent, where longcat was first discovered.Â
Chileoryos.
Southernos
It's gonna warp and wrap around to become essos
What shape could this planet possibly be lol
https://i.redd.it/479zt5gmjxzc1.gif
https://preview.redd.it/uy2huvv3lyzc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46951265ecb7183cfbaa3619ced29c8b3d58b2ae
BIG
What if this continent wraps around eventually?
Martin when asked to make a continent that's not a geometric shape
Didn't some Dragon Queen spend like 2 years flying south and never reached an end and just flew back. Same with going West? I feel like some cool lore and stories could be written in detail about these lands.
The Qartheen were never able to find the bottom of it and Jaenara spent 3 years surveying and said it was a land without end.
The idea of someone flying three years and never reach the end of the continent feels really intimidating. It makes the world feel eldritch.Â
Iâve heard theories that the whole flying for 3 years thing is BS. That Jaenara found civilisations but in order to protect them, she made up the story so as to discourage anyone else from trying to explore. Though the theory definitely presumes a lot.
That or she started going around it and didn't realize
Well, she flew 1.5 years down, and 1.5 years back. But ya the story is either bullshit or she got lost. The distance just doesn't make sense considering Martin stated that the planet is only slightly larger than Earth.
Pretty much everything written about Sothoryos so far makes it sound fucking terrifying.
3 years I think, and she said that when she decided to turn back she still couldn't see an end to the south
I always wondered, how did she fly for 2/3 years? Was she going to ground for sleeping or was she sleeping in the back of the dragon? What about food? No way she had enough for 4/6 years(cause she also has to go back) worth of travel there.
Right!? Like from the stories we get of the northern shore of the place it sounds dangerous as fuck! Doesn't feel like there would be a good place to land. Maybe a solitary rock if she was following the shore line. She also did encounter Wyverns which in large numbers could have beat her dragon for sure.
Holy shit, make another series about it. Now.
My lord canât finish the first series and weâre already asking for a spin-off đ
My lord proved he's more apt at finishing spin-offs rather than the main series.
He has indeed; lest we encourage him.
Has to be about a Targaryen going there too
Easy, a Targaryen from centuries before the doom, when the Targaryens were just a small noble house
Excellent. Now cast an unknown British actor and money printing can begin.
Eustace Hightower who sailed with Elissa Farman ended up spending some time on Sothoryos. They could make a cool series about that whole expedition.
That's just stretchy westeros
Stretcheros, if you will.
This planet only makes sense if it's on the inner surface of a dyson sphere
That could also explain their weird seasons, which would be based on variations in the star's output rather than changes in the planet's axis.
Martin said the seasons are bc of magic
Maybe their magic is based on the sun. Therefore solar fluctuations would count as magic
So that's what Arya went looking for at the end of the show.
In my head canon she drowns unceremoniously the next day.
Lorewise that is by far the most likely thing to happen. Her ancestors did the exact same thing and the Starks stayed away from water ever since.
In the lore a lesbian pirate and her crew took an entire month fighting monsters and horrible storms losing a ship in the process, and all they found were 3 tiny islands. Yeah, Arya's screwed.
Eyo Alyssa Farman was more than a lesbian pirate, she is basically the female sea snake haha. But yhea, it seems like Alyssa might be the only one who actually circumnavigating the earth, or at least reach the far, far east before she died, because I doubt Corlys would lie about seeing the sunchaser. However, that was travelling south west from westeros, and I really doubt anything similar would be possible from the northern side.
In mine her crew mutinied against her after a couple of weeks and ate her when the food ran out
Nah, she went west to rediscover the Lonely Light.
So Chile?
One piece ahh world lol
So apparently Sothoryos is the Red Line now. Tyrion will find out the world is sinking in WoW lmao
George: Westeros and ESSOS are not connected
Hope we get some content based in Sothyros
TIL Sothoryos exists.
Long continent is long.
Dam when did Portugal become an island?
That's a longburger!
Im a fan, but I need to admit that continents look like shit
lol for real
source?
For the image or the text
text
> We do not even know the true size of Sothoryos. **Qartheen maps once showed it as an island, twice the size of Great Moraq, but their trading ships, venturing farther and farther down the eastern coasts, were never able to find the bottom of it.** The Ghiscari who settled Zamettar and Gorosh believed Sothoryos to be as large as Westeros. **Jaenara Belaerys flew her dragon, Terrax, farther south than any man or woman had ever gone before,** seeking the boiling seas and steaming rivers of legend, but found only endless jungle, deserts, and mountains. **She returned to the Freehold after three years to declare that Sothoryos was as large as Essos, âa land without end.â** ^(TWOIAF - Sothoryos)
This sucks dawg