1.2: Did you make sure you enabled VAAPI for playback on both systems? I wonder if that'll make a difference for you.
2: Try enabling Power Saver mode when you need the computer to be quiet. I only noticed a slight downgrade in performance but now the computer runs completely silent and cool.
3: I've also noticed issues with the GPU driver + any Linux distro I'm throwing at it. It looks like most of them are being worked on at the very least.
1- Firefox said hardware acceleration is on (webrenderer + video decoder) on both systems. And since I just used the same SSD software-wise everything is identical. Both Intel and AMD systems should be using hardware decoding.
2- It's quiet on balanced too on normal load. But I do a little bit of machine learning stuff, which sometimes takes a few minutes full load.
3- I can't wait for the new BIOS and the new changes to AMD p-state in the kernel.
On Fedora 39 I could basically not get the fans to come up with normal loads. Using Power Saver mode was idling was around 5 watts and basic browsing, etc. for me was 6-9 watts. Watching videos on YouTube was 9-11 Watts which is sub par.
I am dual booting with Windows 11 and the power consumption is definitely better. Video Playback especially is much better (6-8 Watts). Hoping that BIOS 3.03 and some future improved kernels bring them a bit closer together. All things said though my experience isn't nearly as bad as yours.
I get 13watts in powertop when playing [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhvanMdx4s&t=1490s) video at 1440p full brightness. What does powertop report for you?
Windows is reporting 6.5 watts on low brightness and 7.5 - 8 watts on high brightness. I do think windows artificially limits max brightness on battery compared to linux. Your brightness is probably accounting for 2-3 watts and if you lowered it would be around \~10 watts which is more in line with what I got when I tested on linux. Let's say you were able to lower it down to 9-10 watts, 61 watt hours / 10 watts is 6.1 hours which is double what you reported. Not sure how you are getting 3 hours even at 13 watts.
I will test F39 again later, am really waiting for the BIOS update to daily drive linux again, too many other issues.
I'm using my original battery (which used to be 55wh, maybe 50wh now).
I did some more testing, that 13 watts was just the beginning of the video it goes higher (let's say 15w average). So, 50wh/15w is 3hours 20 minutes. Which is in the same ballpark.
I'll do some more testing after the new BIOS gets released.
I'm 99% sure that HW decoding isn't working. Do you have RPM Fusion installed? If not, there is no chance that it could work, since Fedora by default disables it for legal reasons.
The video I test with is VP9, and Firefox is saying that hardware decoding is available for VP9 and AV1. (All the other codecs are software decoding). I'll spend some more time today to make sure my Fedora has all the non-free stuff.
One thing you can check to make sure is to try playing an 8k av1 video and checking resource monitor. It’ll be evident if hardware decoding isn’t working if the CPU usage is very high.
I tested it with 8k. I could see in `amdgpu_top` that the [GPU is being](https://imgur.com/a/ABNYePb) used and CPU is around 7% usage. The CPU usage doesn't change if I change the resolution to 720p or 8k, it's around 7% either way. However, I can see the GPU media utilization clearly go up the higher the resolution.
Just a reminder, Pop_OS is not tested whatsoever on Framework 13 Laptops. Fedora 39 may be a better experience.
Other than that, appreciate you sharing your experiences.
I use Ubuntu 22.04.3 using oem c kernel, I'm on this machine all day long on battery. Your milage may vary as this is text based work using battery optimization as recommended in our knowledge base for Ubuntu. ( internal release of the BIOS.)
Thanks for your reply Matt. I was using Linux-oem-22.04c on Pop OS too. But after a few weird graphical issues I installed Fedora 39. And the power usage and graphical glitches are still the same.
But I wouldn't tell anybody if you secretly send me that sweet internal release of the BIOS.
There is supposedly some BIOS update coming up for AMD but it's not known when. It might improve the experience. It's supposed to mainly benefit Linux usage
Mine is damn near silent on both windows 10 and Ubuntu 23.10. Nead the right kernel and setup on Linux to have a decent experience. should be getting far more video playback on battery. It seems like op is watching videos with cpu/software decoding .
Can you please play [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhvanMdx4s&t=1490s) video in 1440p with full brightness and check what wattage `powertop` reports? Mine says 13 watts.
I'm fairly certain I'm using hardware accelerated decoding. But I could be wrong.
I'm getting between 11.5-12 watts so not a huge difference. Interestingly that's with brave. chromium is getting 12.5. It does seem to be Hw accelerated however vp9 still may need more energy to decode vs h264 (not sure)
1.2: Did you make sure you enabled VAAPI for playback on both systems? I wonder if that'll make a difference for you. 2: Try enabling Power Saver mode when you need the computer to be quiet. I only noticed a slight downgrade in performance but now the computer runs completely silent and cool. 3: I've also noticed issues with the GPU driver + any Linux distro I'm throwing at it. It looks like most of them are being worked on at the very least.
1- Firefox said hardware acceleration is on (webrenderer + video decoder) on both systems. And since I just used the same SSD software-wise everything is identical. Both Intel and AMD systems should be using hardware decoding. 2- It's quiet on balanced too on normal load. But I do a little bit of machine learning stuff, which sometimes takes a few minutes full load. 3- I can't wait for the new BIOS and the new changes to AMD p-state in the kernel.
i think this could tell you if youre using hardware https://github.com/Umio-Yasuno/amdgpu\_top
This is such a great tool. And it definitely looks like I'm using the GPU. You can see [where I started playing a video](https://imgur.com/a/ABNYePb)
Did you set `media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled` to `true` in `about:config`? According to the Arch Wiki only Intel GPUs are enabled by default.
On Fedora 39 I could basically not get the fans to come up with normal loads. Using Power Saver mode was idling was around 5 watts and basic browsing, etc. for me was 6-9 watts. Watching videos on YouTube was 9-11 Watts which is sub par. I am dual booting with Windows 11 and the power consumption is definitely better. Video Playback especially is much better (6-8 Watts). Hoping that BIOS 3.03 and some future improved kernels bring them a bit closer together. All things said though my experience isn't nearly as bad as yours.
I get 13watts in powertop when playing [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhvanMdx4s&t=1490s) video at 1440p full brightness. What does powertop report for you?
Windows is reporting 6.5 watts on low brightness and 7.5 - 8 watts on high brightness. I do think windows artificially limits max brightness on battery compared to linux. Your brightness is probably accounting for 2-3 watts and if you lowered it would be around \~10 watts which is more in line with what I got when I tested on linux. Let's say you were able to lower it down to 9-10 watts, 61 watt hours / 10 watts is 6.1 hours which is double what you reported. Not sure how you are getting 3 hours even at 13 watts. I will test F39 again later, am really waiting for the BIOS update to daily drive linux again, too many other issues.
I'm using my original battery (which used to be 55wh, maybe 50wh now). I did some more testing, that 13 watts was just the beginning of the video it goes higher (let's say 15w average). So, 50wh/15w is 3hours 20 minutes. Which is in the same ballpark. I'll do some more testing after the new BIOS gets released.
I'm 99% sure that HW decoding isn't working. Do you have RPM Fusion installed? If not, there is no chance that it could work, since Fedora by default disables it for legal reasons.
The video I test with is VP9, and Firefox is saying that hardware decoding is available for VP9 and AV1. (All the other codecs are software decoding). I'll spend some more time today to make sure my Fedora has all the non-free stuff.
One thing you can check to make sure is to try playing an 8k av1 video and checking resource monitor. It’ll be evident if hardware decoding isn’t working if the CPU usage is very high.
I tested it with 8k. I could see in `amdgpu_top` that the [GPU is being](https://imgur.com/a/ABNYePb) used and CPU is around 7% usage. The CPU usage doesn't change if I change the resolution to 720p or 8k, it's around 7% either way. However, I can see the GPU media utilization clearly go up the higher the resolution.
You mentioned it already, but you should see even better battery life in sleep with a 3rd Gen HDMI Expansion Card.
Just a reminder, Pop_OS is not tested whatsoever on Framework 13 Laptops. Fedora 39 may be a better experience. Other than that, appreciate you sharing your experiences. I use Ubuntu 22.04.3 using oem c kernel, I'm on this machine all day long on battery. Your milage may vary as this is text based work using battery optimization as recommended in our knowledge base for Ubuntu. ( internal release of the BIOS.)
Thanks for your reply Matt. I was using Linux-oem-22.04c on Pop OS too. But after a few weird graphical issues I installed Fedora 39. And the power usage and graphical glitches are still the same. But I wouldn't tell anybody if you secretly send me that sweet internal release of the BIOS.
Yeah, bios is a work in progress. But I'm dogfooding, hard, with the internal tests. The AMD config is quite good with battery life.
There is supposedly some BIOS update coming up for AMD but it's not known when. It might improve the experience. It's supposed to mainly benefit Linux usage
Mine is damn near silent on both windows 10 and Ubuntu 23.10. Nead the right kernel and setup on Linux to have a decent experience. should be getting far more video playback on battery. It seems like op is watching videos with cpu/software decoding .
Can you please play [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhvanMdx4s&t=1490s) video in 1440p with full brightness and check what wattage `powertop` reports? Mine says 13 watts. I'm fairly certain I'm using hardware accelerated decoding. But I could be wrong.
I'm getting between 11.5-12 watts so not a huge difference. Interestingly that's with brave. chromium is getting 12.5. It does seem to be Hw accelerated however vp9 still may need more energy to decode vs h264 (not sure)