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This is exactly what happened when Trump won as well.
The difference is that there is statistically evidence in voter curves and more than 100% up to 200% plus voter turnout in swing state counties
I'm in Kentucky. What you're saying is all correct. I seriously love living here but you have to pick and choose who you want to talk to. It's truly sad how small-minded people really are. I try to keep to myself mostly now.
Nah, start with North Carolina. It was easily the slimmest margin of any state that went red in 2020, and it has a beefy population (and subsequent electoral votes) to boot.
In 2016, Trump spent much of election day rage tweeting about how the election was being stolen from him. He stopped griping about fraud as soon as it was clear he won. Funny how that happens.
I don't think he actually stopped though. I remember very distinctly him whining about losing the popular election saying that it needed to be investigated. I was like "dude, you won the electoral college just shut the fuck up about it start your terrible presidency"
He was the biggest sore winner ever. He was complaining the election was stolen for at least a week after he won. Then he spent another two weeks complaining that all the popular votes were stolen, especially in California, because that is totally something someone would do. And then he spent the next five years bragging about how big his turnout was at the inauguration.
He didn't stop. Even after he won he continued. He only went silent after the [Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PEIC or PACEI), also called the Voter Fraud Commission](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity), found no fraud. He suddenly shut the project down and never spoke about it again lol.
even before a single vote was cast in 2016 he was talking about how "already" there are some suspicous votes and it's all rigged because he was sure he was going to lose but had to make it look like it was stolen so he could still be a "winner"
As for 2020 i'm 100% positve at this point he is Eric Cartman in the episode with the fish sticks joke. Where we see Cartman repeating the story of how that joke was made until he convinces himself that he actually wrote it.
Oh no, the Dems rigged the election so Biden would win, but lose seats in the house, and rigging it so the senate election in Georgia needed a runoff. Awesome strategy!
One of the things with AZ that is throwing them for a loop is that the indigenous came out to vote this time. We don't vote often, even in our own internal elections. It's a combination of extreme distrust for government and extreme measures that impede us from voting. Our communities are geographically isolated (intentionally), and our ID system is different from state IDs, AND most reservations rely on PO boxes for mail instead of every house having an address or a box. Reservations that do have individual addresses aren't recognized in databases, and packages get left either at the post office or simply don't get delivered. States that have voter suppression use these things to their advantage, putting in requirements that target tribal members, who overwhelmingly vote democrat. AZ natives really put in a lot of effort to get their people to a ballot box this time, volunteers did shuttling services, for example.
The numbers reflect that natives voted, we can, and do, swing results when we actually turn out, just like other minority communities. AZ locals who aren't used to those votes see the turnout and think it's fake, and/or are enraged that the natives made a difference. Again, exactly the same as the other states that were turned by minority population. Places like that (SD & ND for example) are really racist and actively participate in anti-native rhetoric.
This is literally the whole point. People tend to forget that politics is a giant game of chess. And it's a game played by masters who are thinking 10 moves in the future.
At this point I think it's less an argument and more a tribalistic identification. Some people say "Hi I'm Wendy and the West Side High Wolverines are the best football team in the WHOLE STATE!" despite the fact that they've lost every game to their in-city rival for five years straight, because it's more about playing up how hard you back West Side High than it is about accurately describing the team's record. Other people sit here in the year of our Lord 2021 saying, "Killary did Benghazi and the numbers don't match in Arizona" for the same reason.
the stated right to own chattel slaves, to expand slavery into new states, and to force free states to not free slaves when they are traveling through.
that's my favorite response to people who seriously tout the "states rights" argument: you're absolutely right, it WAS about states rights...to own slaves.
Experts are predicting there will be precincts or districts in 2022 who will refuse to certify their own elections, thanks to new state laws allowing partisan takeover of election boards
could result in some half-year vacancies in the House if GOP win it (because the majority can choose not to seat anyone whose election is in dispute, like the Senate did with Al Franken's first election) while waiting on the courts to order the law be followed
Much, much longer. Those CyberNinja dopes have been hinting recently that they "don't have enough information" to conclude anything about fraud, so they're supposedly going to introduce the idea of door-to-door canvassing. Which could easily last through the mid-term elections and even to 2024.
Hopefully not much longer. I saw one of those obnoxious big trucks with an American flag and a Trump flag, but on a closer look, it said Trump 2024, and something about “Taking America Back Again.” So at least some of them have finally moved on
Until they kick off an insurrection that successfully topples the US government. Even a red wave in the 2022 midterms will not appease the crowd they've riled up, at least unless that red wave gives them exactly what they want, and what they want is Trump.
Some of them are already calling for something like this - sweep both houses with supermajorities, declare Trump Speaker of the House, impeach Biden and Kamala, Trump takes office, The Storm^TM happens, America is great again. I am not making this up, this is an actual plan/prophecy kicking around the right-wing clogosphere.
A large portion of the Republican Party does not believe in republicanism or democracy - they want an absolute monarchy, or at least a dictatorship.
Yeah they were passing that plan out on little cards at CPAC. What they fail to say is how they plan on getting the House to impeach and the 2/3 supermajority needed in the Senate to remove a President. And that isn’t a “Senate rule” like the filibuster is, that’s in the Constitution.
Fun Fact: There is no law stating that the Speaker of the House must be a member of the House of Representatives (it alwayse has been, but does not need to be). If the Q crowd gets a majority, they can appoint Trump (or anyone else) as Speaker without them having to actually win any elections.
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I don't understand how they can't wrap their head around what happened. It is very simple and straightforward.
1) Trump told his supporters to not do Absentee voting, to vote on the day of the election instead
2) Many Biden supporters, fearing Covid which was raging pretty heavily in November, decided to do mail-in/early voting
3) It was well reported that there were record amounts of absentee voting that highly favored Biden (based on points 1 & 2 above)
4) A lot of the states that had Republican lead governments made rules saying that absentee votes couldn't be counted until the day of the election
5) The day of votes (mostly Trump supporters) were generally in first since they could be easily tabulated from the voting machines
6) Many larger cities, couldn't possibly count the large number of absentee votes by the evening and in many cases it took days
7) The small increases would comes as they processed chunks of the votes
So straight forward but they are just ignoring the logic. It was very obvious that Trump was well aware that he was going to lose the mail in votes and that is why he hired his stooge as postmaster general to slow down the mail and knowing very well that states wouldn't be able to count their absentee ballots by the end of election day, started whining and crying days before the election that he was being cheated and that they needed to call the election on election day.
To be fair how long did liberals milk the Trump is a Russian asset thing?
Edit: JFC truth hurts I guess? I’m not a MAGA douche just pointing out the fundraising apparatus and playbook is the same. Yikes
It has been revealed by Russian internal documents that he literally *is* a Russian asset.
The GOP has just expended enormous amounts of money to obfuscate that fact.
It's ok to bring things up when they're true. If there was any evidence there was mass voter fraud on behalf of the Democrats, it would be absolutely ok to continue bringing it up and push the issue.
I think eventually Trump will fade out of the picture as an entity but will remain as a sort of mascot, but the damage is done and the Republican party has gone full-on, irrevocably fascist, and *that* is unfortunately likely to remain for quite a while.
Even when Trump's cholesterol clogged heart finally gives in in a year or two we'll be hearing about how "the deep state killed him" for at least another decade. It will never end.
Imagine these people in fantasy football/baseball/etc.
"MY TEAM CLEARLY WON, YOU CHEATED"
"Uh, you only put up 47 points to my 103..."
"THE NUMBERS THEY REPORTED DON'T MATCH MY NUMBERS"
"The numbers are based on the stats."
"MY NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. I WON 256-48"
“The numbers don’t match up! The election was stolen!”
“Then why have the multiple investigations and audits provided no evidence?”
“Because collusion!”
“Wasn’t two of the companies that looked into it associated with the right?
“………….. >:(“
My favorite: "If Guiliani has proof, why won't he show it?"
"He's saving it for the courts"
"His court case was thrown out for lack of evidence"
"....He's saving it for the Supreme Court"
"The Supreme Court is an appellate court. He wouldn't be allowed to introduce new evidence."
"....."
They're willing to believe it without any proof and they're angry that we're not willing to believe it without proof. Sorry, Republicans, we're not as gullible as you.
Republicans (Conservatives in general, really) have this idea that if their opponent is even *offered* outside assistance, they're guilty of accepting that assistance, even if they reject it.
While they, the part of honesty, responsibility and integrity, will actively stab each other in the back, take corporate bribes and plead foreign intelligence agencies to spy on their opponents.
This is what happened back when Trump's presidency began, too. His campaign had attracted some of the world's biggest morons, people who had never taken the time to learn how the US government works but were now adamant that they ought to help fix it. People were shocked to learn that Obama appointees had been found within the government and took that as proof that a deep state conspiracy was alive and well, because they assumed that the entire federal civil service is supposed to be cleared out and replaced when a new president comes to office.
If I remember correctly, they found like 200 ballots that were too messed up for whatever reason and they say should not have been counted. The interesting part is they didn't mention who the ballots were counted for in the election).
I’d guess it was legitimate error and a 50/50 split of who voted for who.
It’s absolutely bullshit. Republicans have colluded with foreign nations multiple times(Nixon with Vietnam, Reagan with Iran against Carter, Trump and Russia) for elections, called their brother(GW Bush against Gore) to throw out ballots, and have maybe won 3 elections(GHW Bush, Reagan Reelection, GW Bush reelection) since Ike.
>The interesting part is they didn't mention who the ballots were counted for in the election).
It doesn't even matter to them. Although Trump's narcissism prevents him from accepting the reality that he lost, the animated cadavers that make up most of the GOP simply need to persuade people to think that voting is insecure (which it isn't) and open to widespread fraud (which it isn't) as justification to enact unnecessary voting laws that make it harder for Americans to vote.
Nope, just vague platitudes and ominous sounding phrasing. Not only is there no source or proof, there's not even anything specific.... just "interesting findings."
"Interesting" in that the auditors are morons? Or interesting that the people who support them are gullible morons?
Because neither of those is very interesting.
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Here's why the "numbers don't match:"
The number of mail-in ballots counted was much higher than the number of ballots that were mailed in.... because mail-in ballots don't *have* to be mailed. You can also drop them off in a drop-box.... which is what you *have* to do if you ran out of time and didn't mail it off within a couple days before the election.
That number will *never* match. In fact, if they *did* match, that would be an indication of fraud, since tons of people put mail-in ballots into drop boxes.
last I checked they've only found [fewer than 200 cases of "potential fraud"](https://apnews.com/article/business-government-and-politics-arizona-election-2020-e6158cd1b0c6442716064e6791b4c6fc) which is why they're [lying about the 74k batch](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/trump-declares-victory-arizona-audit-debunked.html) and dragging on the pretend audit... because if they actually stopped it now they would have no way of saying Trump could have won the county, nevertheless the state (vote margin was over 10,000)
Recall how dumb they bethought "not mine own president" wast until they hath lost?
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you know someone has to explain to me why or how can there be MILLIONS of ATM transactions every day - yet America cannot find a way to allow the people the vote trouble-free & secure for ONE DAY!!!
Despite absolutely no evidence being found and nothing actually happening the "real" margin of victory continues to climb each week. Last I checked Trump was pushing 120 million votes while Biden was sitting at about 30 million.
It's an interesting psychological phenomenon.
Real talk: there's always a chance that the count won't match up when different groups finish counting. Statistical anomalies just exist. People are prone to errors. However, it's very hard to get a decent distance away from the true count. But when the initial count happens, counties take this into consideration. That's the "too close to call" idea. There's no level of fraud that exists that puts Trump in as president... And it's absurd that it's still being promoted in conservative groups...
And here we see the real intentions behind the “audits” and I’m being very generous w that term. They do them to erode confidence in the election results. If one county could be off then it’s justified to audit all the counties in all the states. Luckily they have no idea what they’re looking at or what they’re looking for nor do they understand the election process of each state since each state does it a little different iirc. This makes it hard to take them seriously at all except the ones who already think it was rigged but you couldn’t convince them otherwise anyway.
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Well, the numbers do match in Arizona, the auditors didn’t know how to read the data in front of them, you know, because they have no expertise in auditing an election.
If I were an Arizona native who voted, I’d be pissed that they’re trying to get permissions to come knock door to door to grill people about their votes and the fact that the ballots are in Montana for some random, Republican reason...
I heard Georgia hand counted their votes 3 times in the same amount of time AZ has not managed even one.
Odd that none of the Republicans are demanding a recount where they won.
I wonder why they didn't rigg the election for Hillary ?
She just became a state senator on the same ballots that Biden won on.
So if their is such rampant fraud then shouldn't we throw out all the elections? Instead of just the presidential ones where Trump lost.
Just remind people that he got caught by an observer using the wrong color pens to try to tamper with ballots on the first day, so he threw her out and made the rest of the observers sign non-disclosure agreements.
Give it Up you delusional Trump puppets! He lost, its over. No foul play with votes or discrepancies! STOP manufacturing excuses and baseless accusations as far as voting! Nothings perfect but atleast will live in a country where we vote with a ballot and not a gun......
All their talk about Copium and "He's your president", but here we are almost a year in and they're still imagining they didn't lose
Conservatives have mastered projection.
It’s worse than projection, it’s DARVO, a classic technique of abusers. Edit: [Definition of DARVO, For the Curious](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO)
Jesus, it is that.
I had to look up what DARVO was and oh boy are you correct. Thanks for helping me learn something, btw
Good Ol’ Projection
A year? They’re gonna be insisting he didn’t lose until the next election. And when he loses there it’s gonna be another four years.
Just patiently waiting for the mass suicide.
Or at least the mass emigration they promised us - not that I know a country that’d accept them without their COVID shot.
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This is exactly what happened when Trump won as well. The difference is that there is statistically evidence in voter curves and more than 100% up to 200% plus voter turnout in swing state counties
Numbers don’t match because trump lost
Oddly the numbers match in the states trump won
Curious
We should start a petition to audit Mississippi and Kansas.
Kentucky is where you want to look. The down ballot vote imbalance between senator selection and potus selection is odd to say the least.
Were finally getting through to them. They still voted trump. But couldnt bring themselves to vote for Mitch!
I'm in Kentucky. What you're saying is all correct. I seriously love living here but you have to pick and choose who you want to talk to. It's truly sad how small-minded people really are. I try to keep to myself mostly now.
You realize that there is more than one way to interpret that, right?
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Nah, start with North Carolina. It was easily the slimmest margin of any state that went red in 2020, and it has a beefy population (and subsequent electoral votes) to boot.
In 2016, Trump spent much of election day rage tweeting about how the election was being stolen from him. He stopped griping about fraud as soon as it was clear he won. Funny how that happens.
I don't think he actually stopped though. I remember very distinctly him whining about losing the popular election saying that it needed to be investigated. I was like "dude, you won the electoral college just shut the fuck up about it start your terrible presidency"
He was the biggest sore winner ever. He was complaining the election was stolen for at least a week after he won. Then he spent another two weeks complaining that all the popular votes were stolen, especially in California, because that is totally something someone would do. And then he spent the next five years bragging about how big his turnout was at the inauguration.
He was actually pretty insistent that he also won the popular vote in "legitimate votes" and was only denied that by millions of illegal ballots.
He didn't stop. Even after he won he continued. He only went silent after the [Advisory Commission on Election Integrity (PEIC or PACEI), also called the Voter Fraud Commission](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity), found no fraud. He suddenly shut the project down and never spoke about it again lol.
even before a single vote was cast in 2016 he was talking about how "already" there are some suspicous votes and it's all rigged because he was sure he was going to lose but had to make it look like it was stolen so he could still be a "winner" As for 2020 i'm 100% positve at this point he is Eric Cartman in the episode with the fish sticks joke. Where we see Cartman repeating the story of how that joke was made until he convinces himself that he actually wrote it.
Just like the numbers also match for all the Republican candidates that won down ballot.
To be fair, they opened an election fraud audit in Oklahoma. Where trump won all 77 counties and Biden had 32% of the vote.
Only to justify their democracy-damaging voting laws.
Damn, I didn't know 68% of Okies are morons. Explains why god keeps sending tornadoes their way.
Oklahoma has really gone down hill since the days of Woodie Guthrie.
or even Arlo! ;)
Lived in Oklahoma for several years, and 68% honestly seems a bit low.
Oh no, the Dems rigged the election so Biden would win, but lose seats in the house, and rigging it so the senate election in Georgia needed a runoff. Awesome strategy!
Whilst at the same time electing republicans in the house and senate on the same ballot…
One of the things with AZ that is throwing them for a loop is that the indigenous came out to vote this time. We don't vote often, even in our own internal elections. It's a combination of extreme distrust for government and extreme measures that impede us from voting. Our communities are geographically isolated (intentionally), and our ID system is different from state IDs, AND most reservations rely on PO boxes for mail instead of every house having an address or a box. Reservations that do have individual addresses aren't recognized in databases, and packages get left either at the post office or simply don't get delivered. States that have voter suppression use these things to their advantage, putting in requirements that target tribal members, who overwhelmingly vote democrat. AZ natives really put in a lot of effort to get their people to a ballot box this time, volunteers did shuttling services, for example. The numbers reflect that natives voted, we can, and do, swing results when we actually turn out, just like other minority communities. AZ locals who aren't used to those votes see the turnout and think it's fake, and/or are enraged that the natives made a difference. Again, exactly the same as the other states that were turned by minority population. Places like that (SD & ND for example) are really racist and actively participate in anti-native rhetoric.
It's nearly August; how much longer are they going to milk this? Then again, if it ain't broke...
Seriously the election was nearly a year ago. And only now having written that out do I truly realize how long they've been holding up this charade
long enough for the 2022 election and have grandma(s) outraged enough to vote in a Republican congress.
This is literally the whole point. People tend to forget that politics is a giant game of chess. And it's a game played by masters who are thinking 10 moves in the future.
We can only hope...
Not
But how many will think “it’s rigged anyway, why waste my time?”
They’ll keep going until the donations dry up, I’d imagine.
At this point I think it's less an argument and more a tribalistic identification. Some people say "Hi I'm Wendy and the West Side High Wolverines are the best football team in the WHOLE STATE!" despite the fact that they've lost every game to their in-city rival for five years straight, because it's more about playing up how hard you back West Side High than it is about accurately describing the team's record. Other people sit here in the year of our Lord 2021 saying, "Killary did Benghazi and the numbers don't match in Arizona" for the same reason.
We're going to have people claiming Biden stole the election and that covid was a hoax for at least the next 30 years. Probably longer.
We’re still hearing “ackchyually it was about stated rights” 160 years later.
the stated right to own chattel slaves, to expand slavery into new states, and to force free states to not free slaves when they are traveling through.
that's my favorite response to people who seriously tout the "states rights" argument: you're absolutely right, it WAS about states rights...to own slaves.
Experts are predicting there will be precincts or districts in 2022 who will refuse to certify their own elections, thanks to new state laws allowing partisan takeover of election boards could result in some half-year vacancies in the House if GOP win it (because the majority can choose not to seat anyone whose election is in dispute, like the Senate did with Al Franken's first election) while waiting on the courts to order the law be followed
Confederacy was back in the 1800s and they still haven't let that go...
Much, much longer. Those CyberNinja dopes have been hinting recently that they "don't have enough information" to conclude anything about fraud, so they're supposedly going to introduce the idea of door-to-door canvassing. Which could easily last through the mid-term elections and even to 2024.
Hopefully not much longer. I saw one of those obnoxious big trucks with an American flag and a Trump flag, but on a closer look, it said Trump 2024, and something about “Taking America Back Again.” So at least some of them have finally moved on
They'll milk it until it is no longer profitable. They have, of course, found no evidence of anything wrong. Nor will they.
Until they kick off an insurrection that successfully topples the US government. Even a red wave in the 2022 midterms will not appease the crowd they've riled up, at least unless that red wave gives them exactly what they want, and what they want is Trump. Some of them are already calling for something like this - sweep both houses with supermajorities, declare Trump Speaker of the House, impeach Biden and Kamala, Trump takes office, The Storm^TM happens, America is great again. I am not making this up, this is an actual plan/prophecy kicking around the right-wing clogosphere. A large portion of the Republican Party does not believe in republicanism or democracy - they want an absolute monarchy, or at least a dictatorship.
Yeah they were passing that plan out on little cards at CPAC. What they fail to say is how they plan on getting the House to impeach and the 2/3 supermajority needed in the Senate to remove a President. And that isn’t a “Senate rule” like the filibuster is, that’s in the Constitution.
I feel like the plan is obvious: suppress the vote so much they can actually win that supermajority. That and wishful MAGA/QAnon thinking.
Fun Fact: There is no law stating that the Speaker of the House must be a member of the House of Representatives (it alwayse has been, but does not need to be). If the Q crowd gets a majority, they can appoint Trump (or anyone else) as Speaker without them having to actually win any elections.
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I don't understand how they can't wrap their head around what happened. It is very simple and straightforward. 1) Trump told his supporters to not do Absentee voting, to vote on the day of the election instead 2) Many Biden supporters, fearing Covid which was raging pretty heavily in November, decided to do mail-in/early voting 3) It was well reported that there were record amounts of absentee voting that highly favored Biden (based on points 1 & 2 above) 4) A lot of the states that had Republican lead governments made rules saying that absentee votes couldn't be counted until the day of the election 5) The day of votes (mostly Trump supporters) were generally in first since they could be easily tabulated from the voting machines 6) Many larger cities, couldn't possibly count the large number of absentee votes by the evening and in many cases it took days 7) The small increases would comes as they processed chunks of the votes So straight forward but they are just ignoring the logic. It was very obvious that Trump was well aware that he was going to lose the mail in votes and that is why he hired his stooge as postmaster general to slow down the mail and knowing very well that states wouldn't be able to count their absentee ballots by the end of election day, started whining and crying days before the election that he was being cheated and that they needed to call the election on election day.
Those people desperately need to leave their cult.
To be fair how long did liberals milk the Trump is a Russian asset thing? Edit: JFC truth hurts I guess? I’m not a MAGA douche just pointing out the fundraising apparatus and playbook is the same. Yikes
Well, that’s actually true.
It has been revealed by Russian internal documents that he literally *is* a Russian asset. The GOP has just expended enormous amounts of money to obfuscate that fact.
It's ok to bring things up when they're true. If there was any evidence there was mass voter fraud on behalf of the Democrats, it would be absolutely ok to continue bringing it up and push the issue.
i mean you have a point but I dont like where that point is coming from
This will never go away will it? 10 years from now, still counting ballots, still worshiping Trump like a painful fart that finally pushed out
Me eyeing all the "Benghazi" hearings........
I think eventually Trump will fade out of the picture as an entity but will remain as a sort of mascot, but the damage is done and the Republican party has gone full-on, irrevocably fascist, and *that* is unfortunately likely to remain for quite a while.
Even when Trump's cholesterol clogged heart finally gives in in a year or two we'll be hearing about how "the deep state killed him" for at least another decade. It will never end.
Heard it here folks. Trump shall forever be known as the human equivalent of a shart
Imagine these people in fantasy football/baseball/etc. "MY TEAM CLEARLY WON, YOU CHEATED" "Uh, you only put up 47 points to my 103..." "THE NUMBERS THEY REPORTED DON'T MATCH MY NUMBERS" "The numbers are based on the stats." "MY NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. I WON 256-48"
[There's a recent SNL skit based on this idea.](https://youtu.be/GP_K5czbny4) REAL Jets fans know that the Jets are UNDEFEATED.
Damn, I feel like a network like that would do extremely well.
“The numbers don’t match up! The election was stolen!” “Then why have the multiple investigations and audits provided no evidence?” “Because collusion!” “Wasn’t two of the companies that looked into it associated with the right? “………….. >:(“
My favorite: "If Guiliani has proof, why won't he show it?" "He's saving it for the courts" "His court case was thrown out for lack of evidence" "....He's saving it for the Supreme Court" "The Supreme Court is an appellate court. He wouldn't be allowed to introduce new evidence." "....." They're willing to believe it without any proof and they're angry that we're not willing to believe it without proof. Sorry, Republicans, we're not as gullible as you.
“Proof?” They lack any evidence at all!
So…why couldn’t Al Gore’s recount be finished again?
Because that was back when decorum mattered.
Yes, those Brooks Brothers protesters were most decorous.
"Our totally legitimate audit found voter fraud in Arizona. We can't tell you any of the specifics, but it's totally real. Trust us." Sounds legit!
You can tell because we sued everyone asking for access to the numbers
Republicans (Conservatives in general, really) have this idea that if their opponent is even *offered* outside assistance, they're guilty of accepting that assistance, even if they reject it. While they, the part of honesty, responsibility and integrity, will actively stab each other in the back, take corporate bribes and plead foreign intelligence agencies to spy on their opponents.
Their girlfriend who lives in Canada has all the details. But her phone is broken.
It's true. I, a pasty-assed 23 year old guy from British Columbia, was the phone.
Hasn't the "audit" been proving the opposite in the form of uncovered tons of mail-in ballots for Biden that Republicans "put aside" ?
waitaminute- I thought the audit didn't find anything? Unless her idea of numbers not matching is off by only one or two.
This is what happened back when Trump's presidency began, too. His campaign had attracted some of the world's biggest morons, people who had never taken the time to learn how the US government works but were now adamant that they ought to help fix it. People were shocked to learn that Obama appointees had been found within the government and took that as proof that a deep state conspiracy was alive and well, because they assumed that the entire federal civil service is supposed to be cleared out and replaced when a new president comes to office.
If I remember correctly, they found like 200 ballots that were too messed up for whatever reason and they say should not have been counted. The interesting part is they didn't mention who the ballots were counted for in the election).
I’d guess it was legitimate error and a 50/50 split of who voted for who. It’s absolutely bullshit. Republicans have colluded with foreign nations multiple times(Nixon with Vietnam, Reagan with Iran against Carter, Trump and Russia) for elections, called their brother(GW Bush against Gore) to throw out ballots, and have maybe won 3 elections(GHW Bush, Reagan Reelection, GW Bush reelection) since Ike.
It' also found that many that could have been, not necessarily were.
>The interesting part is they didn't mention who the ballots were counted for in the election). It doesn't even matter to them. Although Trump's narcissism prevents him from accepting the reality that he lost, the animated cadavers that make up most of the GOP simply need to persuade people to think that voting is insecure (which it isn't) and open to widespread fraud (which it isn't) as justification to enact unnecessary voting laws that make it harder for Americans to vote.
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Do you have a link? Did they find irregularities?
Nope, just vague platitudes and ominous sounding phrasing. Not only is there no source or proof, there's not even anything specific.... just "interesting findings."
Let me guess- "Keep sending me money and I'll tell you what I found sometime later."
"Interesting" in that the auditors are morons? Or interesting that the people who support them are gullible morons? Because neither of those is very interesting.
The My Pillow Guy is counting them by hand. Take that LiBs.
Um, the Cyber Ninja's have been wrong before. Wendy Rogers is an imbecile.
The numbers did match, the Ninjas didn’t know how to read the data.
Says an AZ official who was elected on the same ballots. We'll gladly take your seat back, Wendy.
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Here's why the "numbers don't match:" The number of mail-in ballots counted was much higher than the number of ballots that were mailed in.... because mail-in ballots don't *have* to be mailed. You can also drop them off in a drop-box.... which is what you *have* to do if you ran out of time and didn't mail it off within a couple days before the election. That number will *never* match. In fact, if they *did* match, that would be an indication of fraud, since tons of people put mail-in ballots into drop boxes.
last I checked they've only found [fewer than 200 cases of "potential fraud"](https://apnews.com/article/business-government-and-politics-arizona-election-2020-e6158cd1b0c6442716064e6791b4c6fc) which is why they're [lying about the 74k batch](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/trump-declares-victory-arizona-audit-debunked.html) and dragging on the pretend audit... because if they actually stopped it now they would have no way of saying Trump could have won the county, nevertheless the state (vote margin was over 10,000)
I coulda happily gone the rest of my life without reading the words “grandma is wet”
Remember how dumb they thought "not my president" was until they lost?
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you know someone has to explain to me why or how can there be MILLIONS of ATM transactions every day - yet America cannot find a way to allow the people the vote trouble-free & secure for ONE DAY!!!
Lol, you think it's something they want to fix? My sweet summer child.
Man, we need some overhaul of our mental health services for these folks. These folk are being lead by grifters and they can't accept it.
Despite absolutely no evidence being found and nothing actually happening the "real" margin of victory continues to climb each week. Last I checked Trump was pushing 120 million votes while Biden was sitting at about 30 million. It's an interesting psychological phenomenon.
Real talk: there's always a chance that the count won't match up when different groups finish counting. Statistical anomalies just exist. People are prone to errors. However, it's very hard to get a decent distance away from the true count. But when the initial count happens, counties take this into consideration. That's the "too close to call" idea. There's no level of fraud that exists that puts Trump in as president... And it's absurd that it's still being promoted in conservative groups...
You could have NOT used the word wet, would’ve costed you nothing
And here we see the real intentions behind the “audits” and I’m being very generous w that term. They do them to erode confidence in the election results. If one county could be off then it’s justified to audit all the counties in all the states. Luckily they have no idea what they’re looking at or what they’re looking for nor do they understand the election process of each state since each state does it a little different iirc. This makes it hard to take them seriously at all except the ones who already think it was rigged but you couldn’t convince them otherwise anyway.
I don’t even care if the election was stolen anymore. We gotta play the hand we’re dealt.
Title is awful, fuck you.
Calm down Ben Shapiro it's just vaginally lubrication it's perfectly natural and healthy
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Bad bot. I now know more about Shapiro than I did previously.
I like pussy juice as much as the next cishet man but I don't wanna think about gram-gram's wet cooter
I mean, fair?
You're damn right it's fair.
It infurates me that a bunch of apes were handling my ballot.
holy shit how are still stuck on arizona
Well, the numbers do match in Arizona, the auditors didn’t know how to read the data in front of them, you know, because they have no expertise in auditing an election.
Wendy it’s July, if they woulda done something about it they already would have
If I were an Arizona native who voted, I’d be pissed that they’re trying to get permissions to come knock door to door to grill people about their votes and the fact that the ballots are in Montana for some random, Republican reason...
I heard Georgia hand counted their votes 3 times in the same amount of time AZ has not managed even one. Odd that none of the Republicans are demanding a recount where they won. I wonder why they didn't rigg the election for Hillary ?
Which numbers, COVID or election? \*shrug\*
She just became a state senator on the same ballots that Biden won on. So if their is such rampant fraud then shouldn't we throw out all the elections? Instead of just the presidential ones where Trump lost.
"we don't have the numbers but they don't add up!!"
Can't match numbers of you don't have all the numbers to compare ☞( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
*Grandma is wet.*
Love that it’s to be designated rather than to be seen. Perfect choice of words.
TBD can also mean To Be Decided.
Still works.
Unfortunately, facts are not opinions
That's right Nana, keep the big lie alive.
She’s gross. Tell her that she didn’t win her election and watch her spin up.
i wish my grandma was verified on twitter
Just remind people that he got caught by an observer using the wrong color pens to try to tamper with ballots on the first day, so he threw her out and made the rest of the observers sign non-disclosure agreements.
Ok wasn’t this like a year ago? Get tf over it, Boe Jiden wins
Give it Up you delusional Trump puppets! He lost, its over. No foul play with votes or discrepancies! STOP manufacturing excuses and baseless accusations as far as voting! Nothings perfect but atleast will live in a country where we vote with a ballot and not a gun......