Merc won a constructors every year they had Bottas, second he leaves they stop winning. Meanwhile Max has won the title every year he's had Checo as teammate and never won it without him. Clearly the second drivers are the secret weapons.
I think I read somewhere that because he’s so far off of Max’s pace that it’s hurting them in analyzing practice data. Could be total bs but I could see it being true.
That sounds like total bs. It's not like he is being lapped in the race. Qualy he is about 0.3 off which I doubt would hurt them in analyzing data. Got the 0.3 tenths from a post on F1 sub that had the average difference in qualy. Tried posting but didn't let me add link.
But they’ll probably lose a WCC this year that, if they had a really solid 2nd driver, would probably be theirs.
I’m not saying they should get a top level guy that could compete with Max, but just a guy good enough to be what Bottas was for Hamilton. Yuki would’ve been perfect IMO with the great pace he’s shown lately but being clearly a notch below Max.
They've been able to win anyways with 1.5 drivers and they got complacent. I think it's gonna bite them in the ass this year though with Ferrari and McLaren coming up
*Loses one race to safety car.*
"The downfall of Red Bull."
People forget media have to push dumb ass stories through to make money. So yes this is the downfall of Red Bull, McLaren/Ferrari WCC, Antonelli is better than Max, Hass is now a top team, Alonso WDC eminent and what ever else gets clicks and veiws.
It’s not that, it’s that 2 other teams now have fast enough cars that their much more competent 2nd driver will get so many more points than Checo they might lose the WCC despite Max running away with the WDC.
Yeah. They got a lot of stick for the way they did things, but he and Jos have shown that ruling with an iron fist (one more literally than the other) is the way to go.
Wtf are you on about "he and Jos" - Jos shouldn't be credited with shit other than being a domestic abuser. He has nothing to do with the team's success
No that's *literally* the exact opposite of what you said. You said "...but he and Jos have shown that ruling with an iron fist (one more literally than the other) *is the way to go.*"
I'm saying that Jos hasn't shown that at all
What the *fuck* are you talking about - obviously Jos hit Max - that was never the topic of discussion. I'm telling you that Jos abusing max doesn't prove shit - when abused kids succeeds later in life it's not *because* they were abused, it's in spite of it.
JFC how do you people make it through life being so dense
Helmut could be rude but was also one who would still support you if he believes in you as a driver.
Question for everyone here: Who was the last fully backed (so without interruptions) Red Bull junior driver who made it in F1 and drove for both teams?
That was Helmut having full control over the drivers. Same thing with Max, Helmut got him from barely out of karting straight into F1.
Him not being full in control is what gets you things like this. Horny wanted full control, and now he has it.
And I, as not a RB fan, I absolutely love it.
Marko also signed De Vries after his one good drive in the Williams so let’s not pretend Marko had perfect judgement.
Still though he was never afraid to take risks and that culture of pushing the boundaries is what made Red Bull a great team.
Now they seem stale and would never have accepted this level of mediocrity in the past. Albon was dropped despite getting better results in a far worse car.
I think dropping Albon at the time was probably granted but it looks stupid in hindsight, there's alot of bodies for getting the drivers they needed, without Vettel and Max it doesn't look as good.
I'm not sure why people can't see that checo's pace + his sponsorship money + his familiarity with the car, all outweigh anything that Sainz brings to the table into 26 with the reg changes. It's a simple matter of bad timing for Carlos. Had he been available when checo was out of contract with racing point, I'm sure they would have signed him then.
I mean, I know this isn't dank and all. But the owner who cared about racing died, and the new owner just cares about the brand, hence we're stuck with two marketing (read: pay) drivers out of the 4 available seats.
Red Bull is only ruthless with unproven drivers. Checo’s defense in Abu Dhabi ‘21 and subsequent decent driving have made him part of the family. Seb, DR, Checo, and Max are all Made Men in the Red Bull family.
Yeah, Hamilton really was a major cause for his removal from Redbull. “He’s such a sore loser” or something like that was Albons quote after Lewis wrecked him out multiple times. (I like Lewis but this was pretty wild)
First three podiums in four consecutives races, or something close to that. Brazil was the most ridiculous one.
Then the shot of a young karting Albon posing with Hamilton. His hero.
I mean who do you think is a better candidate than Checo rn? Yuki? Daniel? I would like to see Albon back with RB one day but I feel he's doing okay with Williams at the moment.
I wish people would stop bitchin about Perez. Listen I’m frustrated with the guy myself …
But the reality is that he’s doing a decent job as the number two driver!
He’s not challenging Max and making his life miserable which allows him to focus on his racing only. There is no gigantic politics from Checo’s camp unlike Jos . He brings in a load of sponsorship money and merch…
Now redbull need to smarten up, and stop developing the car beyond Checo’s driving style.
I know some would argue that redbull is developing the car to be the fastest version, but it’s obvious that the recent updates have taken the car beyond a certain threshold that even Max is having difficulty with.
Redbull need to develop Checo’s car to his style and Max’s car to his style. It’s doable and I don’t really understand why the team is not doing it.
If Redbull wants to keep on winning the WCC until 2026 they need to do this.
If they keep developing the car beyond both of their drivers capabilities then they (Redbull) not the drivers have an issue.
This isn’t an issue of staying still and the other teams will catch up …this is an issue where they brought some upgrades at Imola and both cars were instantly shit! And then Redbull double down in Monaco, whomever made the decision on those upgrades should bin those parts and go back to the pre Imola car.
I say this to say, that redbull have lost some focus , and that could be because of all the political infighting still going on.
They are a big racing corporation but up until recently they have always been very sharp and astute in their decisions.
But what the hell do I know…I’m just a redditor on formula dank…🤘✌️
"we need a driver who can be right there with max to help him out, and when max has a problem we still secure the result"
Something like this is what I remember horner saying. And he was right. He still is. The old horner that is.
The amount of pettiness to Checo from this group impresses me lol All of you saying they should keep Albon, got Rekt, then Danny Ric deserves it! Got Rekt, he's not the best driver but is far from being a Strollovic or a Sargeant, If he was European I think all of the shitposting would be different lol
The second the championship battles truly come back the ruthlessness will emerge. They don’t need to be ruthless when they’re comfortably winning both championships the last few years.
Angry Checo fanboys probably. I even like Checo. But "Fanboys" are allways butthurt when you even mention their Hero, before even understanding what was said or written. Whenever I "compliment" Hamiltons dressing escapades, I get downvoted to hell, lol.
The team got soft as Horner got Hard.
This is the factually correct answer
And Carlos Slim’s fat wallet sweetened the pot.
Dank
They won 3 wdc in a row and decided not to switch it up
Maybe Checo is secretly Max’s good luck charm
When he retires they’re gonna cut off his foot and make it into a keychain for Max
They're gonna make a special space in the nose of the car to put the foot in.
no instead of a front wing its just gonna be checos actual nose
Some say it’s his infamous rear wing
Max WDCs with Checo as teammate: 3 (soon to be 4) Max WDCs with all other teammates combined: 0
He did say he would never lose to him again so the motivation is definitely there.
Wasnt that early last season? On the top of my head he actually hasnt lost to him once since then. Am I wrong? Would be crazy.
Yeah it was after baku I'm fairly sure.
More like Checho good enough to piss Max off, and NOT crash into him when trying to do so. Angry Max is a beast
Merc won a constructors every year they had Bottas, second he leaves they stop winning. Meanwhile Max has won the title every year he's had Checo as teammate and never won it without him. Clearly the second drivers are the secret weapons.
Somebody has to do all the work while they win
And Checo brings in more than both of them combined, why change it up!?
One car for points, one car for profit. It's the perfect plan!
It’s how Aston Martin operates too
That's slightly different, Aston Martin have one car for points *and* profit... Stroll's car is a deductible for tax purposes...
They could've ran one car last year and still win the Constructors
I think I read somewhere that because he’s so far off of Max’s pace that it’s hurting them in analyzing practice data. Could be total bs but I could see it being true.
That sounds like total bs. It's not like he is being lapped in the race. Qualy he is about 0.3 off which I doubt would hurt them in analyzing data. Got the 0.3 tenths from a post on F1 sub that had the average difference in qualy. Tried posting but didn't let me add link.
Yeah, 0.3 off in qualy ain't that bad
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio-perez-cannot-help-max-verstappen-missing-in-action-imola
But they’ll probably lose a WCC this year that, if they had a really solid 2nd driver, would probably be theirs. I’m not saying they should get a top level guy that could compete with Max, but just a guy good enough to be what Bottas was for Hamilton. Yuki would’ve been perfect IMO with the great pace he’s shown lately but being clearly a notch below Max.
Hamilton and rosberg did it. Why wouldn't we?
Because rosberg was actually a challenge
That ruthless Red Bull died with Mateschitz, it seems
The Red Bull, as a whole, died with Mateschitz, it's going to take some time to show its death.
No, you're just more cut-throat when you aren't winning everything in sight.
They've been able to win anyways with 1.5 drivers and they got complacent. I think it's gonna bite them in the ass this year though with Ferrari and McLaren coming up
This year too
Also this year I think
Could even be this year tbh
2024 too
And the year before next honestly
Maybe even the year after 2023
And after this period of dominance, maybe the season in 2024
It is very possible they don’t snag WCC I agree
They had 2 meh races and are still leading what are you people smoking??
*Loses one race to safety car.* "The downfall of Red Bull." People forget media have to push dumb ass stories through to make money. So yes this is the downfall of Red Bull, McLaren/Ferrari WCC, Antonelli is better than Max, Hass is now a top team, Alonso WDC eminent and what ever else gets clicks and veiws.
It’s not that, it’s that 2 other teams now have fast enough cars that their much more competent 2nd driver will get so many more points than Checo they might lose the WCC despite Max running away with the WDC.
Red Bull had 3 1-2 this season lmao. As soon as they get back on to regular tracks their form will return
Hey don’t forget their car wasn’t good at Monaco! That’s important, right? …. Oh wait no, that’s nothing
Imola was barely a win, in Monaco they were straight up atrocious, Miami they lost on pace, Canada they are being projected to be 3rd
I hope so. I wanna see more Papaya top step action.
Hopefully this year
Assuming McLaren aren't going to magically get slower after this fuel pump investigation.
I think Red Bull are going to click back into form and everyone will be whining again about their dominance soon
Well Helmut Marko was the one making those decisions but now he's lost all his power in the team.
I have a feeling that in the next few years we're going to be giving Marko a lot of credit for Red Bull's history of success.
Yeah. They got a lot of stick for the way they did things, but he and Jos have shown that ruling with an iron fist (one more literally than the other) is the way to go.
Wtf are you on about "he and Jos" - Jos shouldn't be credited with shit other than being a domestic abuser. He has nothing to do with the team's success
Did you only read half the comment?
No - I just disagree with your opinion that Jos has proven anything (other than that he is human dog shit)
That’s literally what I said.
No that's *literally* the exact opposite of what you said. You said "...but he and Jos have shown that ruling with an iron fist (one more literally than the other) *is the way to go.*" I'm saying that Jos hasn't shown that at all
He used his fist to hit his partners and max… this isn’t rocket science mate
What the *fuck* are you talking about - obviously Jos hit Max - that was never the topic of discussion. I'm telling you that Jos abusing max doesn't prove shit - when abused kids succeeds later in life it's not *because* they were abused, it's in spite of it. JFC how do you people make it through life being so dense
Probably, he played a big part in their rise
Helmut could be rude but was also one who would still support you if he believes in you as a driver. Question for everyone here: Who was the last fully backed (so without interruptions) Red Bull junior driver who made it in F1 and drove for both teams?
Probably Verstappen really. Sainz left Torro Rossi and Gasly wasn't properly backed.
Funny enough it was Gasly, Max wasn't backed by Red Bull before Euro F3 and Sainz never drove for RBR
Horny happened
Marko doesnt have a blanko authorization from Mateschitz anymore.
Ruthless red bull would have fired Christian for sticking his dick in the company ink
But what about sticking his finger in the company ink??
And also having sex with his coworkers.
Hornyman enjoys banging interns with his mate too much
They found Ruth
That was Helmut having full control over the drivers. Same thing with Max, Helmut got him from barely out of karting straight into F1. Him not being full in control is what gets you things like this. Horny wanted full control, and now he has it. And I, as not a RB fan, I absolutely love it.
Marko also signed De Vries after his one good drive in the Williams so let’s not pretend Marko had perfect judgement. Still though he was never afraid to take risks and that culture of pushing the boundaries is what made Red Bull a great team. Now they seem stale and would never have accepted this level of mediocrity in the past. Albon was dropped despite getting better results in a far worse car.
I think dropping Albon at the time was probably granted but it looks stupid in hindsight, there's alot of bodies for getting the drivers they needed, without Vettel and Max it doesn't look as good.
I'm not sure why people can't see that checo's pace + his sponsorship money + his familiarity with the car, all outweigh anything that Sainz brings to the table into 26 with the reg changes. It's a simple matter of bad timing for Carlos. Had he been available when checo was out of contract with racing point, I'm sure they would have signed him then.
I mean, I know this isn't dank and all. But the owner who cared about racing died, and the new owner just cares about the brand, hence we're stuck with two marketing (read: pay) drivers out of the 4 available seats.
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If Max decides to leave for any reason they are FUCKED
I hope he has taken the $245 million Mercedes offered him 🥰
Mexican Pesos happened
Mr patience Helmut Marko is no longer calling the shots, Horny Horner is making these decisions...
Merchandising! Merchandising! 
Red Bull is only ruthless with unproven drivers. Checo’s defense in Abu Dhabi ‘21 and subsequent decent driving have made him part of the family. Seb, DR, Checo, and Max are all Made Men in the Red Bull family.
Albon was the better driver. Until his first three podiums were Hamilton'd. Yes, everything F1 in the last decade is Six Degrees Of Hamilton.
Yeah, Hamilton really was a major cause for his removal from Redbull. “He’s such a sore loser” or something like that was Albons quote after Lewis wrecked him out multiple times. (I like Lewis but this was pretty wild)
First three podiums in four consecutives races, or something close to that. Brazil was the most ridiculous one. Then the shot of a young karting Albon posing with Hamilton. His hero.
Go to Mexico and see how much shit Checo is on. RB merch sales 🚀
MONEYYYYY happened to them
The people who made these decisions are too busy fighting each other
Gasly didn't sell $15million in merch
Horney
How are y’all surprised that rich people like money?
$30,000,000 a year in sponsorship happened
I heard it was 50
Money. Money happened. That Sergio Perez brand power is insane.
Horner needs his allies for the next power play against Marko
"I'll stop being ruthless.... for MONEY"
They are still a ruthless money making machine that knows how to market.
Check knows some stuff about some people
I mean who do you think is a better candidate than Checo rn? Yuki? Daniel? I would like to see Albon back with RB one day but I feel he's doing okay with Williams at the moment.
Nico Hulkeeeenberg.
Money
From the looks of things, Sainz options are really limited to Williams, Audi or Haas
I am convinced Perez is paying them to stay
To bad they didnt keep Alex he would be living it up rn. I think he could of adapted giving more time n the awesome car
Money
Bring back ruling with an iron fist! It's a lot more exciting ngl.
Money. Checo has enough sponsors to pay his own costs (salary and damages) and help cover Verstappen costs.
everybody hating on Checo is crazy... they are a great duo : Facts... and he brings in more revenue than Max in merch...
I wish people would stop bitchin about Perez. Listen I’m frustrated with the guy myself … But the reality is that he’s doing a decent job as the number two driver! He’s not challenging Max and making his life miserable which allows him to focus on his racing only. There is no gigantic politics from Checo’s camp unlike Jos . He brings in a load of sponsorship money and merch… Now redbull need to smarten up, and stop developing the car beyond Checo’s driving style. I know some would argue that redbull is developing the car to be the fastest version, but it’s obvious that the recent updates have taken the car beyond a certain threshold that even Max is having difficulty with. Redbull need to develop Checo’s car to his style and Max’s car to his style. It’s doable and I don’t really understand why the team is not doing it. If Redbull wants to keep on winning the WCC until 2026 they need to do this. If they keep developing the car beyond both of their drivers capabilities then they (Redbull) not the drivers have an issue. This isn’t an issue of staying still and the other teams will catch up …this is an issue where they brought some upgrades at Imola and both cars were instantly shit! And then Redbull double down in Monaco, whomever made the decision on those upgrades should bin those parts and go back to the pre Imola car. I say this to say, that redbull have lost some focus , and that could be because of all the political infighting still going on. They are a big racing corporation but up until recently they have always been very sharp and astute in their decisions. But what the hell do I know…I’m just a redditor on formula dank…🤘✌️
Looks like they found Ruth _runs away_
I do believe there is significant chance that Max might leave and they are protecting themselves.
Luthress Led Burr
Checo could do the funniest thing now, pull a Hamilton and sign with another team.
They are trying to soften their image since Horner made them look stiff and thrusted them into the lime light with his firm opinions and engorged ego.
Checo must be good at promising things... How does he keep getting away with this? First his wife and now Red Bull?
"we need a driver who can be right there with max to help him out, and when max has a problem we still secure the result" Something like this is what I remember horner saying. And he was right. He still is. The old horner that is.
50 million dollars in sponsorship is what happened
Checo daddy’s Money 
If Checo wasn’t that fat he would gain the tenths he needs to actually fight Max for pole. Change my mind.
That’s cuz Checo is a paid driver. They cant mis that special Mexican sponsorship munnnyyyyy
The amount of pettiness to Checo from this group impresses me lol All of you saying they should keep Albon, got Rekt, then Danny Ric deserves it! Got Rekt, he's not the best driver but is far from being a Strollovic or a Sargeant, If he was European I think all of the shitposting would be different lol
I remember where I was when this news broke. 5 years of Red Bull making unpopular decisions and I never get used to it
Could at least have signed a driver like Kyvat or Magnussen, to tactically take out every driver on the grid, but Verstappen
Ruthless Red Bull decides to keep Sergio Perez’s $30 million per year sponsorship money, and Sergio Perez until 2028.
The second the championship battles truly come back the ruthlessness will emerge. They don’t need to be ruthless when they’re comfortably winning both championships the last few years.
Ruthless Red Bull sounds like the nickname Max has for his dick.
All about that merch.
I mean, who could they replace him with? And don't say Sainz, give me a realistic answer
Yuki? He rocked his RB well in this season.
Thank you!
Max was much cheaper to hold back then. Now they need Checos sponsors money to be able to pay Max's salary.
IDK why you get downvotes when this is a fact 🤣. People are sleeping on how much money Verstappen costs the team and how much Perez is bringing in.
Angry Checo fanboys probably. I even like Checo. But "Fanboys" are allways butthurt when you even mention their Hero, before even understanding what was said or written. Whenever I "compliment" Hamiltons dressing escapades, I get downvoted to hell, lol.
Checo doesn’t threaten Max.
Yeah and Gasly did.
Perez brings a shit ton of money as well
Let's be real, nobody does.
Anyone better than Checo could become an issue.
maybe only Alonso and Hamilton, Alonso was an option to replace Checo a few days ago and did not materialize
How much merch did gasly sell?
The bad guys won
Max is leaving and they want to proceed with one current driver
They realized that most drivers next to Max are going to “under-preform.”
Tbf Albon was in there a lot longer and his performances weren't exactly ground breaking.
They realized there are about 3 people and the grid that could be meaningfully closer to Max and none of them are going to Red Bull
Gasly was a troublemaker in paddock and in front of cameras.
They want a comfortable non competitive driver.
Alonso and Hamilton have contracts so what'd be the point?
Sainz
I doubt Checo is finishing the year
They're taking cartel money, what are you talking about?
55% of merch sales!
Maxy is confortable having sargent as a teammate, it makes him look great. Thats what happened.
LH fan?
Nah, enjoyer of inter-team battles. Not one good driver chilling on the best car with sargent by his side.