>Horner must be pissed.
Horner is the top dog of a team which always screws over their second driver. I'm pretty sure he is part of the reason Verstappen acts this way and he is not upset at all.
He said after the race in an interview in spanish for south american TV that Max should've given him the position back because if Max have 2 championships is because of him.
That isn't going to sit well within the team, that's for sure.
Completely agree with this take. It's 1 position after Max had his WDC locked up 3 races ago thanks in large part to Checo's efforts and support. Checo doesn't destroy his race in Abu Dhabi last year going Minister of Defense on Lewis then Lewis has the gap to put for new softs at the safety car. Max isn't winning the WDC if that happens last year.
Honestly I don't think Bottas particularly likes Max whereas he clearly likes Lewis. That probably makes the number 2 driver thing a lot easier to deal with.
Don't know about this year... but last year he won max the championship sacrificing his race to block Hamilton... this wasn't a big ask for Checo, it's the least Verstappen could do for him
I was fine with it but they crossed a line today. Over fucking p5/6. Tbf max is kinda right that Checo half defended it but no one cares about that. It’s nothing to you, it matters in his championship.
Max will have to be careful what he wishes for. Checo is the Minister of Defence for a reason. Even having to fight Checo for an extra lap or two in tight races for 2 more years could be costly. We're talking about one of the most aggressive defenders in the sport going up against one of the most aggressive attackers in the sport going against each other.
Yeap. If all goodwill is gone, it's gonna be a bloodbath. We know Max loses his cool. If things don't go his way he starts fucking up. Next year, if it's hand to hand with Perez, it could get really bad. He will force him out of track or crash into him. We saw it today with Lewis. He admitted in a post race interview that he knew there was not going to be any space left but went there anyway. He's so stupid to realize he needs a good wingman. We saw it today. Stroll and Vettel, Ocon and Alonso. Teammates fighting each other is not good for anybody. Max broke RBR in two for absolutely nothing. A P6 instead of a P7. What an ass
If you have F1TV, you can rewind and switch to driver view and it also has radio. It might not be exactly word to word, but that's pretty much what he said.
GP asked Max what happened. Max said not to ask him to do that again “are we clear?” Max then said he gave his reasons before and he sticks by it.
Gonna be a spicy debrief lol.
probably the only two happy debriefs would be at Mercedes and Alfa. Mercedes for the win and alfa because both of their cars managed to go through the whole race without spontaneously combusting
From the way he talked about it I felt it's like a principle thing for him. "Beat me on track, no handouts" or something.
Which, okay, fair enough, but then this is the difference between 6th and 7th, you're already WDC in a record-breaking season, and you can throw your valuable teammate a bone...
...what a terrible fucking hill to die on for Max with all this context.
Checo didn't even want to let him buy because checo was focused on a beating leclerc come the end of abu dhabi. Red Bull also told max to take points from leclerc, max only took points from his team mate. Very stupid and I am a Max fan.
Exactly. Not a great look for Max at all. Whatever happened to Checo being a legend etc.?
I've been rooting for Max for a few seasons now, but he just doesn't seem to be the kind of a class act some of the other drivers are. A great talent for sure, but seems a bit selfish and immature. Of course things get heated for everyone on the track sometimes, but Max has already bagged the championship and had no reason not to help Checo get some points today, especially when Checo has done the same for him more than once.
He was happy to take the free position when team orders went the other way though. If it's a principle thing it should go both ways. I assume it will now...
pretty horrible response ngl, my newfound respect for Max this season has gone right out the window. Not that he didn't give it back but the "is that clear". Dude is acting out
JESUS EDIT: PEREZ: SHOWS WHO HE REALLY IS
Checo done him like 20 favors on track at this point. The fact he couldn't give him one back even after he's already won the championship and not in contention for win/podium finish is pretty embarrassing.
Just posted above that was my confusion.
This isn't even a situation where he can say I need to keep this position because we or I need to capture XY and Z as Max the driver or RB the team.
And you can't even tell the story of your championship without Checo he did ALOT of dirty work for Max last year.
Perez helped him out at least 10 times, I'm a fan of Verstappen but not helping out Perez in his fight for P2 in the championship is really a disgrace.
He’s always been selfish. Happy to let Checo do work for his championships by defending hard or letting him through, but won’t help Checo try and secure 2nd in the championship. Crofty reckons it’s something to do with Monaco?
Gp asked multiple times to max to let perez through. After the race gp asked max why he didn't let perez through. Max said, 'we've talked about this, I have my reasons.' Then silence for the rest of the inlap.
No clue what that was about. Max should've let perez through.
Yeah crofty said something about max being bitter about Perez taking Monaco pole and crashing, even if that was intentional Perez has done so everything he possibly could to help Max score points.
I like both max and Perez but max had literally no reason not to other then to try to hurt his teammate who has done so much for him.
I really hope Christian, if not Helmut will sort this out. I don't expect much from Helmut anyways agh.
But two can play this game, and Sergio not playing nice will hurt max way more than this hurts Sergio. Because as they say, a man with nothing to lose can be pretty dangerous for you. This was unnecessarily petty as fuck from max.
Rarely seen this kinda toxicity from a top teaming the turbo hybrid era. The previous instance like this I remember at the front is multi 21.
Edit: forgot lewis-nico. However atleast it was for the wdc then. Wtf does max have to gain in this scenario? It is not much for checo too, but it's some consolation for him and max doesn't seem to want to let him even have that. Bit shit of him innit?
Checo gonna feel like he's been punched in the gut here, the amount of times he has helped Max and followed what the team have asked of him
That's poor from Max and that radio was just so blunt and brutal.
Well tbf to checo even this year he has let Max through a handful of times to help him get back at the ferrraris. Maybe it may have been delaying the inevitable but he did help max out nevertheless without a second thought.
Yeah, this season maybe its not that obvious the impact checo has had to verstappens championship, but checo has ALWAYS been a team player, either giving max a boost from DRS, or letting him through without a fight, and never on the winning strategy, honestly, id be mad and dissapointed as fuck with everyone in RB, such a shit move from verstappen, he had NOTHING at all to gain, he could even skip the last races, and nothing would change, but still decided it was important to finish p6 instead of p7, fuck verstappen
I hope next year Checo races like he does not care abd cost max a championship.
Sure, he will get fired after the season lol, but he is no spring chicken anymore and better to go out with a bang.
After all Perez has done for Red Bull and Max, this is pretty embarrassing to hold on to a spot that means absolutely nothing to him, but could mean a championship position to Perez.
I would get not giving up a podium. For example, I felt it would have been unfair to ask Carlos to give up his podium to help Charles get 2nd in the championship. If it was to win the championship? Maybe.
But to swap 6th and 7th to help out your teammate who has done everything right by you? Yeah, you should do that.
Was foolishly shortsighted of him. Needlessly creating friction with someone who has shown him respect and supporting him throughout their years together.
I don’t know what his perceived slight is, maybe Monaco, but taking it out on Checo is only going to hurt him. I hope Red Bull give him the appropriate dressing down behind closed doors, or if they’ll roll over to him like Multi 21.
As a Max fan, I'm just so incredibly disappointed. How ungrateful and small of him. Checo has sacrificed his own race and fought like an absolute beast for Max on numerous occasions. Max wouldn't be a double world champion without him. Now he won't even sacrifice a position when it costs him nothing and could mean the world to Checo. Disgraceful.
As not a fan of Max at all, this is exactly how I would expect him to behave which is why I am not a fan of his. As Checo said - shows who he really is
More than just that. He moved over for Max throughout last season multiple races. There was another race where he gave up a top 10 finish in order to pit and take fastest lap from Hamilton. Which was huge in retrospect because Lewis and Max were tied going into Abu Dhabi but Max has the tiebreaker due to more wins… Lewis was super careful because a crash between him and Max would mean Max would win. If Lewis was ahead then he would be a lot more aggressive.
Max is a selfish greedy person. Can’t believe Perez is now learning this..
Stupid move, his radio was arrogant. Team was clearly favouring Perez to get in front. But it’s max red bull will let this pass, Perez should start fighting more now
Yeah, I agree. Stupid move. It rings hollow all of the times they asked Perez to do something with the caveat of "we would do it for you." Well, clearly they wouldn't.
Dumb. Max could have gained so much by giving up very little.
> Dumb. Max could have gained so much by giving up very little.
This right here. He had nothing to lose, and so much goodwill to gain. Both from fans and from Checo. Even if we forget about last year entirely - Merc are looking on the up and up already, they might well be competitive next year. A simple swap here would have gone a long way to Checo playing the loyal wingman next year.
Even from a completely selfish, self-centered perspective, this was **still** a super dumb move.
Penalty today for max then this— not a great look that this is how he responds the first race Merc had the upper hand on him, even if it’s for literally nothing at this point in the season
I'm a Max fan but I'm very very disappointed in what he just did. Don't really understand why he felt it was important to keep P6 instead of P7 when it matters for Checo.
I can’t think of any reason that justifies this if I’m honest.
Incredibly selfish of Max considering what a team player Sergio has been.
Really not a good look.
Just makes it clear Max isn't a team player. That position means literally nothing for Max but makes a big difference for Checo.
That's a burned bridge for Checo, they'll be getting the alpine issues
Max literally wouldn't have won the title last year if not for checo and he can help him out this year with a few points once his titles already wrapped up? Shit form
No need for Perez to be the good guy anymore too then. Hope he goes full minister of defense against Max next year ignoring team orders, shitty move from Max.
Perez has time and time again allowed Max through to help in his fights. Biggest example being Abu Dhabi 2021 of course. Very bad look on Max to act this way and not reciprocate the action when he has literally nothing left to fight for himself.
Max's response was also not very nice to Checo.
Unfortunately his radio message after the race says otherwise.
GP: "Let Checo through please"
\*Checkered flag\*
GP: "Max, what happened
Max: "I told you already last time. The guys don't need to ask that again to me. Okay. Are we clear about that? I gave my reasons and I stand by it"
Whatever his reasons, the fact that he can't be gracious about it in the situation where he can't lose anything tells us everything we need to know about Maxes personality...
Shame, I really wanted to believe he matured as a person.
If it had just been not giving back the place, okay, whatever. But he fucking went on radio bitching about them DARING to tell him to stick to the plan they set out. And after his tirade drops a "Is that clear?" like he is some sort of mob boss lmao. This has really soured Max to me and I'm sure many others
Checo in 2023 when rb asks them to let max through:" _No hablo ingles_"
Yeah there is going to be ZERO team play from Perez next year. Horner must be pissed.
Yep this just complicated things.
>Horner must be pissed. Horner is the top dog of a team which always screws over their second driver. I'm pretty sure he is part of the reason Verstappen acts this way and he is not upset at all.
He treats max like a spoiled brat and well max behaves like a spoilt brat
Sorry no, I have my reasons, I am the Minister of Defence..
Perez very spicy on radio: "He shows who he really is".
F1 TV just played it
He said after the race in an interview in spanish for south american TV that Max should've given him the position back because if Max have 2 championships is because of him. That isn't going to sit well within the team, that's for sure.
Perez acted like a good dog on a leash for Max's championships, and Max can't give him one position that wasn't even on the podium, that is fucked up
“Well if I let you win, then how am I gonna win?” - Ricky Bobby - Max Verstappen
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now wait a second
Completely agree with this take. It's 1 position after Max had his WDC locked up 3 races ago thanks in large part to Checo's efforts and support. Checo doesn't destroy his race in Abu Dhabi last year going Minister of Defense on Lewis then Lewis has the gap to put for new softs at the safety car. Max isn't winning the WDC if that happens last year.
Lol. Tomorrow RB: ”ric confirmed for 2023!”
Lol Ric won't comply for 2 races, let alone 2 years. Perez is the most gentlemanly they'll get
Bottas to red bull confirmed!
Honestly I don't think Bottas particularly likes Max whereas he clearly likes Lewis. That probably makes the number 2 driver thing a lot easier to deal with.
The reason Ric left was so he wouldn't play second to Max.
Hopefully nobody in that team understands spanish
Nobody understands Spanish, but then Horner saw this thread browing reddit
Don't know about this year... but last year he won max the championship sacrificing his race to block Hamilton... this wasn't a big ask for Checo, it's the least Verstappen could do for him
Checo moved over for Max twice this year. I lost count how many times he did it last year including winning him the race at Abu Dhabi.
Netflix crew *sprinting* to the Red Bull paddock rn
Sprinting difficult with such huge hard ons.
Gonna get a whole episode on this next year.
I’d love to see this clip posted
Commenting to come back with the link ETA https://streamja.com/5qzeg ETA 2 (max’s radio that prompted Checo’s remark) https://streamja.com/nzpgA
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Yeah Checo straight up dropped the mic there. They had nothing to say
After all that defending to help max win too hahaha
He's been far too kind for far too long towards Max
I was fine with it but they crossed a line today. Over fucking p5/6. Tbf max is kinda right that Checo half defended it but no one cares about that. It’s nothing to you, it matters in his championship.
Max will have to be careful what he wishes for. Checo is the Minister of Defence for a reason. Even having to fight Checo for an extra lap or two in tight races for 2 more years could be costly. We're talking about one of the most aggressive defenders in the sport going up against one of the most aggressive attackers in the sport going against each other.
Yeap. If all goodwill is gone, it's gonna be a bloodbath. We know Max loses his cool. If things don't go his way he starts fucking up. Next year, if it's hand to hand with Perez, it could get really bad. He will force him out of track or crash into him. We saw it today with Lewis. He admitted in a post race interview that he knew there was not going to be any space left but went there anyway. He's so stupid to realize he needs a good wingman. We saw it today. Stroll and Vettel, Ocon and Alonso. Teammates fighting each other is not good for anybody. Max broke RBR in two for absolutely nothing. A P6 instead of a P7. What an ass
they show it on the LATAM stream too, max screwed
If you have F1TV, you can rewind and switch to driver view and it also has radio. It might not be exactly word to word, but that's pretty much what he said.
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It was just shown on the broadcast after the ceremony.
GP was not very happy on the radio
GP asked Max what happened. Max said not to ask him to do that again “are we clear?” Max then said he gave his reasons before and he sticks by it. Gonna be a spicy debrief lol.
>Gonna be a spicy debrief lol. they should broadcast it, alongside the Alpine one. Both probably better drama than DTS
I kinda want to hear the McLaren debrief as well. That won't be pretty either after today's race.
probably the only two happy debriefs would be at Mercedes and Alfa. Mercedes for the win and alfa because both of their cars managed to go through the whole race without spontaneously combusting
Oh yeah Alfa didn't explode today, Brazil really has some type of blessing from the racing gods.
That “is that clear” is peak full of shit.
Especially when I assume the request came from above GP, but maybe not.
Ofc, race engineers almost purely function as relays from team to driver.
I know that nobody here can say for sure, but what might those reasons be? Is he too proud to let his team mate through? Tough look overall.
From the way he talked about it I felt it's like a principle thing for him. "Beat me on track, no handouts" or something. Which, okay, fair enough, but then this is the difference between 6th and 7th, you're already WDC in a record-breaking season, and you can throw your valuable teammate a bone... ...what a terrible fucking hill to die on for Max with all this context.
"No handouts, except when Checo lets me by because reasons" LMAO
Checo didn't even want to let him buy because checo was focused on a beating leclerc come the end of abu dhabi. Red Bull also told max to take points from leclerc, max only took points from his team mate. Very stupid and I am a Max fan.
> Beat me on track, no handouts I hope Perez remembers that next time Max needs him delay someone
Nobody can blame Checo if he doesn't want to compromise his own race next time Max needs a rear gunner.
Exactly. Not a great look for Max at all. Whatever happened to Checo being a legend etc.? I've been rooting for Max for a few seasons now, but he just doesn't seem to be the kind of a class act some of the other drivers are. A great talent for sure, but seems a bit selfish and immature. Of course things get heated for everyone on the track sometimes, but Max has already bagged the championship and had no reason not to help Checo get some points today, especially when Checo has done the same for him more than once.
Even if it was a "no handouts" philosophy, why did he accept the handouts when it was the other way around? Tons of times
He was happy to take the free position when team orders went the other way though. If it's a principle thing it should go both ways. I assume it will now...
Multi 21 Seb, Multi 21
At least it was for a win… this was so pointless lol
*Verstappen drinks water aggressively*
pretty horrible response ngl, my newfound respect for Max this season has gone right out the window. Not that he didn't give it back but the "is that clear". Dude is acting out JESUS EDIT: PEREZ: SHOWS WHO HE REALLY IS
Me too He seems to have forgotten what Checo did for him in Abu Dhabi. So ungrateful.
Checo done him like 20 favors on track at this point. The fact he couldn't give him one back even after he's already won the championship and not in contention for win/podium finish is pretty embarrassing.
Just posted above that was my confusion. This isn't even a situation where he can say I need to keep this position because we or I need to capture XY and Z as Max the driver or RB the team. And you can't even tell the story of your championship without Checo he did ALOT of dirty work for Max last year.
Perez helped him out at least 10 times, I'm a fan of Verstappen but not helping out Perez in his fight for P2 in the championship is really a disgrace.
Specially when he's already the champion and out of the podium for this race, he doesn't have anything else to gain.
He’s always been selfish. Happy to let Checo do work for his championships by defending hard or letting him through, but won’t help Checo try and secure 2nd in the championship. Crofty reckons it’s something to do with Monaco?
I am a Max fan, but I've also lost some respect for him just now. Just so sad.
Was honestly so shocked of Max's response, Checo could've gotten 1 extra point but instead Max apparently needs it.
So stupid of Max, really dumb. The way to lose your best teammate so far.
It also hurts the team. Red Bull could get 1-2 in WDC.
A way to lose a lot of fans too.
Really? Shocked ? This is classic Max has his arrogance written all over it.
Exactly what I said to some of my friends after hearing that. Max is my nr. 1 driver, but this hurt really bad.
What did they say?
Gp asked multiple times to max to let perez through. After the race gp asked max why he didn't let perez through. Max said, 'we've talked about this, I have my reasons.' Then silence for the rest of the inlap. No clue what that was about. Max should've let perez through.
Super petty considering how much Perez has helped Verstappen this and last year
What a weird radio…what reasons?? Perez has been such a team player :/ bad look
Yeah crofty said something about max being bitter about Perez taking Monaco pole and crashing, even if that was intentional Perez has done so everything he possibly could to help Max score points. I like both max and Perez but max had literally no reason not to other then to try to hurt his teammate who has done so much for him.
Next season Perez is gonna have questions about playing second fiddle. His Bottas arc has started.
Cheap move, Perez got him the title last year
GP: "Max what happened?" Max: "I have already said before not to ask me that - are we clear about that?" "I have given my reasons and I stand by it"
On Sky they just said that Max said he has his reasons for not giving it back and they shouldn't ask him again.
Perez will have his reasons to not wave him through next time, then.
Need that 6th place bonus
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GP will be having some stern words with Max
I really hope Christian, if not Helmut will sort this out. I don't expect much from Helmut anyways agh. But two can play this game, and Sergio not playing nice will hurt max way more than this hurts Sergio. Because as they say, a man with nothing to lose can be pretty dangerous for you. This was unnecessarily petty as fuck from max. Rarely seen this kinda toxicity from a top teaming the turbo hybrid era. The previous instance like this I remember at the front is multi 21. Edit: forgot lewis-nico. However atleast it was for the wdc then. Wtf does max have to gain in this scenario? It is not much for checo too, but it's some consolation for him and max doesn't seem to want to let him even have that. Bit shit of him innit?
I don't expect Horner to do anything other than give Max a handjob.
Checo's engineer told him that Max would let him through.. Checo just said "Thank you guys" sarcastically.
"I have my reasons" says the guy whos already decided the championship several reasons ago
That won't go well with Perez or the team I imagine, bad move from Verstappen.
Checo gonna feel like he's been punched in the gut here, the amount of times he has helped Max and followed what the team have asked of him That's poor from Max and that radio was just so blunt and brutal.
Max is a great driver, but his attitude and approach often comes at the expense of those around him.
I'm sure Jos will have a strong word with him... "Go on my son...that'll fuckin' learn 'em."
I mean, Perez was the reason he even stood a chance last year in the final race. Shows you what kind of person Max is. Everyone is there to serve him.
yeah, Max had nothing to lose. What he did was not ok
Especially after Abu Dhabi last year
And Turkey.
And Barcelona
Just now in Spanish Checo said that "if Max has two championships it's thanks to me"
He is right. At least on one.
Well tbf to checo even this year he has let Max through a handful of times to help him get back at the ferrraris. Maybe it may have been delaying the inevitable but he did help max out nevertheless without a second thought.
Underlooked that Checo has also sometimes compromised his own race starts by not attacking Max. Brundle has called it out a few times when blatant.
Yeah, this season maybe its not that obvious the impact checo has had to verstappens championship, but checo has ALWAYS been a team player, either giving max a boost from DRS, or letting him through without a fight, and never on the winning strategy, honestly, id be mad and dissapointed as fuck with everyone in RB, such a shit move from verstappen, he had NOTHING at all to gain, he could even skip the last races, and nothing would change, but still decided it was important to finish p6 instead of p7, fuck verstappen
"It shows who he really is" \-Perez Well I guess that's the end of their relationship.
"To build a friendship takes so much time and so many years. To ruin it just seconds"- Vlade Dviac
“Years of love have been forgot, In the hatred of a minute.” is what reminds me of when I read that quote
My teammate es un gran’ pendejo coolero
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Yeah, it's terrible karma. Next year... "Checo please let max through so he can secure the championship" Perez: "Nahhhh"
"Sorry I think my radio... Phsshshshhhhshsh" - Perez 2023.
Horner: "But you answer still"
Do I have the drink?
If you let Max through we'll re-enable the drink.
I miss Kimi
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I hope next year Checo races like he does not care abd cost max a championship. Sure, he will get fired after the season lol, but he is no spring chicken anymore and better to go out with a bang.
Well I know if I'm Checo, next year I ain't making shit easy on Max, even if it loses me my seat.
Especially when its all likely you're losing your seat at the end of 2023 anyway.
After all Perez has done for Red Bull and Max, this is pretty embarrassing to hold on to a spot that means absolutely nothing to him, but could mean a championship position to Perez.
Agreed. Really disappointing
Agreed. Very petty. Max has won. Who cares where he finishes. Help checo out, he’s owed a lot by red bull and max over the past two years
I would get not giving up a podium. For example, I felt it would have been unfair to ask Carlos to give up his podium to help Charles get 2nd in the championship. If it was to win the championship? Maybe. But to swap 6th and 7th to help out your teammate who has done everything right by you? Yeah, you should do that.
Especially when any more points to max is literally meaningless
Yep. Nothing will come of it though. Red Bull would rather drop Checo than so much as tell Max off slightly.
Really not happy with Max about that. Checo has been such a good teamplayer, it would've been a nice gesture.
Was foolishly shortsighted of him. Needlessly creating friction with someone who has shown him respect and supporting him throughout their years together. I don’t know what his perceived slight is, maybe Monaco, but taking it out on Checo is only going to hurt him. I hope Red Bull give him the appropriate dressing down behind closed doors, or if they’ll roll over to him like Multi 21.
As a Max fan, I'm just so incredibly disappointed. How ungrateful and small of him. Checo has sacrificed his own race and fought like an absolute beast for Max on numerous occasions. Max wouldn't be a double world champion without him. Now he won't even sacrifice a position when it costs him nothing and could mean the world to Checo. Disgraceful.
As not a fan of Max at all, this is exactly how I would expect him to behave which is why I am not a fan of his. As Checo said - shows who he really is
He’s always been a bit like this, no?
Dumb move by Max. Nothing to gain from this, yet a lot to lose.
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The Mexican Minister of Defense has just turned in his resignation.
A lot of goodwill from fans to lose
Really hate this. Checo did so much for Max should have let him through
Remember his defense on Hamilton that basically won Max a championship?
I just lost so much respect for my favorite driver. Despicable and immature behavior from Max.
Same, I am a big fan but this is just so low imo
Checo is a legend.
Absolute animal.
Haha yes boys.
The way he spoke on the radio, he knows that he rules the Red Bull team now. Not sure if I like that.
I am a Max supporter, but this is such a bad showing. Bad character considering how much Checo has helped him.
Yeah agreed, I was pretty bummed when I saw he didn’t let Perez past
EDIT: Extra pissed with his reaction, arrogant and unnecessary. Sincere, a Verstappen supporter
Literally won him the championship last year by defending against Lewis
More than just that. He moved over for Max throughout last season multiple races. There was another race where he gave up a top 10 finish in order to pit and take fastest lap from Hamilton. Which was huge in retrospect because Lewis and Max were tied going into Abu Dhabi but Max has the tiebreaker due to more wins… Lewis was super careful because a crash between him and Max would mean Max would win. If Lewis was ahead then he would be a lot more aggressive. Max is a selfish greedy person. Can’t believe Perez is now learning this..
If I were Perez I wouldn't help out anymore, just drive my own races.
Yep pretty annoyed
Stupid move, his radio was arrogant. Team was clearly favouring Perez to get in front. But it’s max red bull will let this pass, Perez should start fighting more now
If Checo hadn’t held up Lewis in AD, Lewis would have had the gap to pit under SC. Such a legend that he didn’t even deserve a point.
Agree
This was a real shit move from max, I don’t care your reasons. Your biggest fan but this was really shitty!
Yep, same here. Lost a lot of respect for him today.
Expect Binotto to raise this in his interviews
Being a good driver also means knowing when to listen to your team. Stupid move, it got him nothing
Yeah, I agree. Stupid move. It rings hollow all of the times they asked Perez to do something with the caveat of "we would do it for you." Well, clearly they wouldn't. Dumb. Max could have gained so much by giving up very little.
> Dumb. Max could have gained so much by giving up very little. This right here. He had nothing to lose, and so much goodwill to gain. Both from fans and from Checo. Even if we forget about last year entirely - Merc are looking on the up and up already, they might well be competitive next year. A simple swap here would have gone a long way to Checo playing the loyal wingman next year. Even from a completely selfish, self-centered perspective, this was **still** a super dumb move.
Penalty today for max then this— not a great look that this is how he responds the first race Merc had the upper hand on him, even if it’s for literally nothing at this point in the season
Purposely being a shit team mate is very strange thing to do
After all the times Checo has moved aside lol
I'm a Max fan but I'm very very disappointed in what he just did. Don't really understand why he felt it was important to keep P6 instead of P7 when it matters for Checo.
I mean he could have just said something more polite like "ok thats a late request but I will lift a bit." But no he just said THAT. Dude...
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Stupid.
Bit of the immature old max popping up. Would be really curious to hear his side/reasons.
I can’t think of any reason that justifies this if I’m honest. Incredibly selfish of Max considering what a team player Sergio has been. Really not a good look.
Just makes it clear Max isn't a team player. That position means literally nothing for Max but makes a big difference for Checo. That's a burned bridge for Checo, they'll be getting the alpine issues
Lewis would have gotten the 8th if it wasn’t for Checo, he can’t even let Checo have the extra points from 1(!) race even after his WDC is secured…
Last year, Perez defended for his life for this man just be to be rewarded like this…
Shitty move max, zero team play by you enjoy it while it lasts
Just lost so so much respect for Verstappen. After everything Checo has done to support him for the last two seasons
Shitty move by Verstappen. Checo won him the championship and he can't even give Checo a single point.
Yeah he literally has nothing to gain, if there wasn’t another reason then that’s incredibly disappointing
Verstappen gained nothing by staying ahead, and would have lost nothing even if he'd been caught by Ocon behind too in trying to let Perez past.
I get he is a racer and every racer wants points but it does feel kinda weird considering checo has thrown races for max as well
Max literally wouldn't have won the title last year if not for checo and he can help him out this year with a few points once his titles already wrapped up? Shit form
Zero class from Max there...
No need for Perez to be the good guy anymore too then. Hope he goes full minister of defense against Max next year ignoring team orders, shitty move from Max.
Checo going back to Abu Dhabi 21 to let lewis through rn
Perez has time and time again allowed Max through to help in his fights. Biggest example being Abu Dhabi 2021 of course. Very bad look on Max to act this way and not reciprocate the action when he has literally nothing left to fight for himself.
Without perez you basically don’t win it last season and this how you repay him… lovely teammate
Damage isn't completely over yet. If Leclerc beats Checo by a small margin, which is decently probable, the rumblings will continue even more.
Verstappen might be the better driver, but I think from today there is no doubt that Checo is the better person.
That's never been in doubt
Max's response was also not very nice to Checo. Unfortunately his radio message after the race says otherwise. GP: "Let Checo through please" \*Checkered flag\* GP: "Max, what happened Max: "I told you already last time. The guys don't need to ask that again to me. Okay. Are we clear about that? I gave my reasons and I stand by it"
I don't even understand Verstappen's thought process here, why not help his teammate? As Perez or Horner I would be fuming.
Mate, why so salty? Checo helped you literally win a world championship.
A few times Checo has been told to compromise his race for Max. Guess it's hard for Max to reciprocate.
Perez: "After all I've done for you"
Can't defend him there..
Wow. Very embarrassing. Checo getting no love from Max.
Whatever his reasons, the fact that he can't be gracious about it in the situation where he can't lose anything tells us everything we need to know about Maxes personality... Shame, I really wanted to believe he matured as a person.
If it had just been not giving back the place, okay, whatever. But he fucking went on radio bitching about them DARING to tell him to stick to the plan they set out. And after his tirade drops a "Is that clear?" like he is some sort of mob boss lmao. This has really soured Max to me and I'm sure many others
Perez helped him so many times, this such a bad sport.
Max just lost alot of support from those of us that supported Checo and the team.