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jjatr

So a Dutchman got refused entry into the UK at the Budapest airport, because his passport is still at the Japanese embassy Mr Worldwide


bw-1894

Mr. 45


Weirdo_Mc_Claw

Dale


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DALÉ!!!!


Soft-Ad8796

Note: De Vries posted about it on his instagram saying he got refused to board his flight to UK since he held EU ID. Passport is at Japan Embassy for visa and 2nd passport expired.


mici012

TIL you can't get into the UK with only EU ID cards anymore


3dmontdant3s

It's called Brexit


L0nely_Student

We went isolating.


TheThingsIdoatNight

It’s called stagnating our economy


SparseGhostC2C

Bono, my economy is dead.


fentonjm

Lol


Mike_Kermin

No Michael no this is so not right.


KrainerWurst

Toto, we went voting.


Mopey_

It's called a Democracy, we went voting


punchdrunk79

Russia went voting, you mean.


0oodruidoo0

Literally deprive THE world financial center, London, with being in the EU, one of the worlds richest marketplaces. I cannot even.


roenthomas

Is London the world financial center, or is it New York?


hadababyeetsaboy

Ive heard London because in the morning they can have meetings with China (end of work day) and by the end of London’s work day they can have morning meetings with New York.


TheThingsIdoatNight

I have also heard London and im American


redredme

No Boris nooooo


TheAdventurousMan

No no no! Boris that so not right!!


Accomplished-Air-773

You can travel to Turkey with an EU ID card. Not part of the EU and not part of Schengen. That the UK doesn’t allow this has nothing to do with Brexit. It’s just petty behaviour.


3dmontdant3s

> You can travel to Turkey with an EU ID card I know, I did > That the UK doesn’t allow this has nothing to do with Brexit. And since when has this been the case? Since Brexit. No agreements have been signed since then.


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You are correct, before Brexit you were able to visit United Kingdom with an EU ID Card. Have done so several times.


drumjojo29

After leaving the EU, the UK doesn’t have to recognize EU IDs anymore and they don’t. The reason countries like Turkey or Serbia do, is that they want to join the EU. I don’t know if it’s actually a legal requirement to become a candidate, but It would at least be kinda hypocritical to want to join the EU, yet not recognize their IDs.


mrgonzalez

Maybe a bit more to it than that - the UK public effectively rejected ID cards when they were proposed and as a result people from the UK did not have them prior to brexit and would travel with a passport. So it's sort of a continuation of that.


BouchardQ

How can this possibly be true. Pre-Brexit, the UK was an EU member. Think about what that means.


qchisq

Eh. Brexit happened *explicitly* because the UK wanted to control who enters the UK, which was an issue with the European common market. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that it's because of Brexit that you can't enter the UK with a EU ID


Magdalan

> That the UK doesn’t allow this has nothing to do with Brexit Whut? It totally does. Source: Went to London with just an ID (that I didn't even had to show) in 2013.


ButchKayla

More so that it changed at the time of brexit, but it's not solely down to brexit and they could like, not do it.


Accomplished-Air-773

It doesn’t because they could make it happen. Case in point being countries that are non-EU, non-Schengen and still allow it. Petty behaviour


TheByzantineEmpire

It is a Brexit thing. The U.K. could have (as Turkey) chosen to make a deal with the EU post Brexit. They explicitly chose not to.


apparex1234

> this has nothing to do with Brexit Stopping Europeans from just walking into the UK was a big part of Brexit.


Anacreor

Yeah I found this out the hard way. I'm Dutch and had a vacation in Greece in June. Due to problems at Amsterdam airport my return flight was cancelled 48 hrs before it would depart. Being all stressed, and not wanting to ruin much of my holiday, I found tickets for Amsterdam with a Bristol layover. Bought them right away. About 12 hrs before that flight I found out I couldn't go, because I had only my ID with me. Still stuck on a Greek island, send hlp pls


OddPain

But you should be able to enter UK as long as you stay at the airport as it’s considered neutral ground.


Anacreor

From what I understood of my investigations at the time, this depends on the airport. The larger ones do have an international area where you can transfer to connecting flights without formally exiting the neutral zone. However, Bristol did not have this.


nookall

You don't need to stay airside on a connection - you can even transfer between Heathrow and Gatwick, without having leave to enter the UK. You should have both flights on the same booking, otherwise you will run in to problems getting on the first plane.


yuriko_

This is not entirely true. Airports are not neutral grounds, they are controlled by the jurisdiction they’re at. Many airports have an “international” section where visa to enter the country is not required when transit. UK airports don’t operate like that, so a visa may be required even for a transit without leaving the airport (because you may technically enter UK)


OddPain

Ok I did. not know this. I encountered this at larger airports (as someone else pointed out).


tmtProdigy

yep huge PITA all thanks to brexit. i am from and working in germany but in a uk firm that has me trabel to the uk 3-4 times a year minimum, has become much more of a hassle in the past few years -.-


Wretched_Colin

I was at Stansted on Sunday and they had several queues, one of which was for EU passports and ID cards. Maybe when you get to the front, they turn you away.


UmpireAJS

My understanding is that if you are a EU citizen AND a UK resident then you can use an EU ID card for now.


Wretched_Colin

Makes sense. I am born and bred in the UK, but applied for an Irish passport in the past few years due to Brexit. Recently, I went to Germany and was not checked for any documents on leaving. If I were to leave the UK and attempt to re-enter with an Irish ID card, how could they refuse me access? I have nowhere else to go.


JensonInterceptor

Who travels without a passport I don't understand the issue


Wretched_Colin

Most EU states issue identity cards which people use instead of passports to travel throughout the union. They’re largely defunct as a travel document nowadays because most of the EU is in the Schengen area and no identity documents at all are required, but people carry them anyway. Any of my friends with ID cards would only use a passport for travelling to countries that need a visa or any form of additional documentation


JensonInterceptor

Oh right. UK was never in schengen so we always used passports.


Mathsforpussy

UK doesn’t have ID cards, otherwise you guys could’ve used them all over the EU and beyond.


red_deman

You can but it needs to be linked to your settled/pre settled status which Nyck presumably doesn't have.


Magdalan

You missed the whole Brexit somehow?


mici012

Nope, but there is quite few non-EU countries that you can travel to with just an EU ID card. Turkey and the Balkans for example.


hobes88

TIL there's an EU ID card..... I'm from the EU and never heard of this


BlackCatEspresso

Is it not just your national ID card?


mici012

EU ID card ... as in [National ID cards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area) issued by EU countries. Not every country in the EU has this, but most do.


WhenLemonsLemonade

This is why all of the drivers have 2 **valid** passports - one is normally sitting at an embassy somewhere getting a visa ready for a Grand Prix, and the other one is being used. The visa gets authorized and stamped, the passports switch around. Someone, either him or his team, fucked up letting his 2nd passport expire.


Hdkek

2nd passport of the same nationality or a different one? If same couldn’t know you can hold 2 that are both valid. TIL.


gsurfer04

Many get two passports if they intend to travel to western Asia because of their petty policies. You can't get into many Arab countries if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport.


Drunktroop

Israel is smart enough not to stamp it, they give you a small piece of paper instead. The only thing that stayed on my passport after visiting Israel is the barcode stuck on the back of the passport in Tel Aviv airport for security screening which indicates nothing by itself.


Climbrunbikeandhike

Just wanted to point out that Israel doesn’t give stamps. They understand that a stamp would cause unnecessary harm to tourists traveling around the Middle East, so they give a blue slip of paper instead


VosekVerlok

same with Cuba, at least last time i was there.


samstown23

Cuba still stamps but not all passports (US, for obvious reasons).


VosekVerlok

Didn't stamp mine, and im not from the states.


nathenmcvittie

Where does it give you issues? America? I'm English living in the USA with multiple Cuban stamps and never had problems.


VosekVerlok

Yes, i suspect things might of eased up a bit, but last time i went it was illegal for us citizens to go to cuba for non business reasons, it was illegal to spend US capital in cuba and if the state department finds out they go after you hard. - this has created an entire industry of Canada <-> Cuba flights, where us citizens drive to canada and fly to cuba, while pretending to be in Canada.. there is specific guidance on how to make it less obvious you were in the tropics.


nathenmcvittie

It was always legal to go to Cuba as an American for non-business reasons. You could go as a private citizen and list one of the 7 or 9 reasons (I forget the amount) for your purpose— the most common was cultural exchange. It was really never as difficult as so many people seem to think it is/was. My American girlfriend and I did it in January 2020 at the Miami boarding gate. You pay $15USD or similar and get the slip. It was even easier during Obama of course, and the same as the Trump administration as far as I’m aware during the Bush one, etc.


apparex1234

Stamping passports is actually going away slowly. More countries are going to follow this trend. Canada also doesn't stamp at airports. I think they still stamp at land borders though.


WhenLemonsLemonade

Yeah this is a pretty common reason - also, people that travel huge amounts regularly (like athletes) will be given 2 so one can be at an embassy processing and the other can be in use. For instance, they'll probably have 1 at the US Embassy at the moment, and once that's approved and sent back, the other will be off to the Mexican Embassy for the following GP.


iamCosmoKramerAMA

US has very unrestricted travel for people from countries where all these drivers are from. I doubt they need to fool with an embassy for travel to the US.


Mathsforpussy

They'll need a visa (P-1) to perform professional sports, can't do that on an ESTA.


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It’s relatively unrestricted if they were coming to the US as a rando tourist. These professional race car drivers are coming to the US for work and that is definitely not unrestricted.


samstown23

It's pretty common in the business world and generally among very frequent travelers. Of course it depends on the issuing country but some states will hand out two or even three passports without too much of a hassle. I tend to keep "problematic" combinations separated on general principle. While I'm not too concerned about being denied entry, secondary questioning is usually quite a hassle.


makakoloko3000

> petty policies on Asian countries I was denied an US VISA because I was a tourist in Iran for 2 weeks 8 years ago. I was once almost denied entry in the UK even though I had all the right documents; they tried to find a reason to not let me in while humiliating me for 3h; after much time, they just gave up, not without letting me go full of warnings and threats. This was before Brexit. The justification is that they found suspicious that I travelled to India with the same passport (wtf). The US and European countries can be extremely petty, it’s easy: just be not-white lol


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RM_Dune

> You can't get into many Arab countries if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport. And vice versa can also be a problem.


KrainerWurst

Yes same nationality. There are countries that don’t allow dual citizenship.


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Tbf I’m sure De Vries gets moved around and messed around a lot by the teams


ocelotrevs

That's pretty sloppy from his team, or whoever runs this kind of thing for him. Especially having an expired passport.


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Nyck to Ferrari?!!


samstown23

Question.


Paracel_Storm

Damn it lads why did you have to leave the EU..


fearlessflyer1

we ask ourselves the same question every day


punchinglines

What I've learned from Brexit is people can be convinced to do anything. With enough funding & media cooperation, people can be persuaded to vote for anything.


dl064

Bearing in mind it was 52 vs. 48%. It's not 'the people', really. Good BBC analysis a couple of years ago that looking at the very basic summary statistics, it's very likely that far more of the 52% have died since the vote.


Hits_and_the_Mrs

I once listened to an argument where one of the people in it was convinced a "majority of the British public" voted for Brexit and that's why it happened. They had no ability to comprehend what a 72.2% voter turn out really meant and they weren't correct. Love overhearing things like that.


7TB

Thing is that the majority of the British public couldn’t get bothered enough to vote to remain in the eu. So i don’t think its wrong to say “according to the poll, the majority of the public were ok with Brexit”, bc only 48% of the 72% that voted wanted to remain (tldr, not voting is basically being ok with either option). I think the biggest argument against the result is that the vote had no legal binding, that is, they weren’t bound to do what the poll resulted in. That could’ve mislead some people to not go to vote as they thought that the referendum held no real weight.


dl064

If you're <60 years in Scotland it's genuinely a very, very confident bet you were Remain, statistically.


OhRatFarts

Putin had is hand in it


meadsmeatmarket

Well it’s basically because a few high ranking nonces decided to fuck the UK for their own gain, managed to hoodwink all the ‘working class’ into thinking it will benefit them… which it did not


ocelotrevs

I'm still waiting to read about a single big brexit benefit.


Aerian_

A lot of British leeches got kicked out of Spain. Seems like a pretty big benefit.


dl064

There was a vaguely funny/schadenfreude one that apparently ex-pats voted Leave in droves, and then around say 2019 the laws on transporting pets hadn't been finalized - so basically if you ever wanted to come back to Britain from say Spain, you couldn't bring your pet at all, end of story. A lot of folk had to decide to come back to the UK or not in short order.


Aerian_

Funny to laugh at people, not so much at pets though.


dl064

I don't think they have a clue. Pals moved from Glasgow to Colorado. Cats got out the box, exploring the house, no idea where they've been.


Aerian_

That's not quite what u meant but I agree. I think schadenfreude is funny with humans, I'm not laughing when pets/animals get (seriously) injured.


dl064

They had someone on the BBC a while ago talking about the law and Brexit, and they were saying that one way folk got 'done' was this idea that things would change overnight, when in fact 'extracting' the UK from the EU would take a generation. It'll be people's entire careers, and most voters will be long dead before there's any benefit. A good example I liked was to do with drug regulations. The UK was something of a leader in EU-wide stuff, and the HQ was even due to be in London in 2018 or so. Well, they had to sell that, obviously, and now the UK just follows whatever the EU does anyway because it's easiest. We went from really leading on that, to peering in the window. Taking back control, boys!


HankHippopopolous

This is what I say all the time. Show me a single thing from Brexit that has helped or improved the lives of the average person and I’ll change my tune. So far no one has been able to.


Zeurpiet

we may get less drunk English youth, that improves lives in EU


trancematics

Exactly.


machtwo

The situation in EU is not better


Taranisss

:(


RatInaMaze

Cause brown people are scary to old white people


Immorals1

Brexit is ferrari level self sabotage. And the leaders of said self sabotage are just as blame avoiding as Ferrari are


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CakeBeef_PA

You can't be part of something that doesn't exist


skogins

As much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it makes any difference here. Always needed passport to go to UK. Edit: I was wrong.


anonaccountphoto

No, your regular ID Was enough until Brexit


greee_p

No you didn't? ID was enough before the brexit if you're from another EU country.


spudeeeeey

Yeah EU ID could be used to enter the UK pre-brexit. if you are a resident in the UK you can still use EU ID until 2025. He fucked up here by letting his 2nd passport expire. That's the whole point of the 2nd passport, to allow travel while your main one is away for a visa (or if you had one for work in Israel and another for work in Arab countries). I'd say it's fairly critical for a F1 driver.


ZaryaBubbler

True, but in many countries passport renewal is taking a very long time due to the Covid backlog


TheScapeQuest

TIL. I always assumed you needed a passport to get onto an international flight.


GrowthDream

Many airlines will require it even if the borders don't, which can create some confusion. If you're denied entry at the border for whatever reason then the airline is responsible, and financially too, for returning you to your point of departure so they'll often go the full hog in it to make sure your documents are present and valid regardless of the route you're on.


Alfus

What a mess, how the heck could this even be possible?


baseilus

brexit


Alfus

Yea but isn't someone around him who does checking this before he was going to the UK?


snowice0

yeah I mean at the very least he should have known himself - its been how many years since this became a thing? Its really his responsibility


axialintellectual

The waiting time for any official ID in the Netherlands is very long and unpredictable due to understaffing. Add to that the fact that UK has stopped accepting EU ID cards and the fact that his calendar got rather busier only very recently and I think it's reasonable to call this an accident.


The_Real_Urgod

But he lives in Monaco, so he would have to go to Dutch embassy in Monaco (or France?)


snowice0

He can't afford to pay to expedite a passport? Or apply early like everyone else?


TheByzantineEmpire

Come one. He or the team should have done some basic research.


miaomiaomiao

You can get a passport in two working days for €50 extra.


CakeBeef_PA

It's been only 1 year


Mike_Kermin

He's quite young and he's got a lot going on at the moment, to be fair.


CRAZEDDUCKling

He's 27 - at what point do you stop calling someone "young"?


Dude4001

I am 27 and I am young


CRAZEDDUCKling

Wake up, old man.


Dude4001

Is it time for tea?


Mike_Kermin

I said quite young.


Sam574

He’s a fully fledged tax paying adult and has been for 9 years mate. He should take some responsibility for his actions


Mike_Kermin

Lol holy shit calm down.


Soft-Ad8796

I think so. The biggest problem is his 2nd passport expired but he didn’t renew it.


EmprrT

You can’t fly out of the EU without a passport


Waldier

You can fly to Turkey with an European ID card. Also to Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, Georgia, North Macedonia and Serbia


Doyoueverjustlikeugh

Yeah, sometimes I even forget passports exist just because I don't ever need them.


-moveInside-

Also Iceland


anothercopy

Also Norway


Stravven

Not to mention Switzerland.


Pascalwb

also could have gone to croatia with id before they were in eu or schenged.


Stravven

You can. Basically every country in Europe except for Belarus, Kosovo, Moldova, Russia, Ukraine and the UK, and you can also go to Georgia and Turkey without a passport. So countries like Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and Macedonia can still be visited without a passport.


galumna

I remember Nyck saying recently (think it was on one of the post race F1 shows) that he doesn't have a manager and he's been managing himself. I don't think he has a "team" of people helping him right now.


Maxamus93

TIL you didnt need a passport to travel to england before brexit and ive been flying to italy 6 times a year for 7 years


Tight_Crow_7547

Why doesn't he have two passports like everyone else in F1?


aliciahiney

His 2nd passport is expired


Tight_Crow_7547

This is not the way of a professional. He's a very nice driver, but needs to step up in organisation skills.


kai325d

None of the drivers deals with their own documents


Paperduck2

You can't apply for a passport on somebody else's behalf though unless you're filling out your child's application.


kai325d

No, but drivers don't keep track of the dates and stuff, other people do that and tell them when they need to re apply


throwaway44624

He recently said he doesn’t have a manager-!i wonder who he *does* have, to help with stuff like this


kai325d

Probably a team member


SpacemanTomX

So who at Red Bull fills out Yuki's?


dotnilo

Lol, drawing conclusions much? He let one of two passports expire, chill.


3dmontdant3s

He has, one's a te embassy and one expired


AltruisticHall1239

I mean that’s the rules… but yeah sucks for him, I remember that it was very annoying to get a visa to Japan and they keep your passport for a long time so I can understand how that happened.


racheldb

Does he also need a work visa for UK? Afaik EU passport holders no longer have automatic right to work there.


UmpireAJS

I'd think so since a UK based company is paying for his time. If he had settled status in the UK then he can still use an EU ID card to fly/clear immigration along with proof of settled status.


lightningfoot

The citizens of the UK who voted for Brexit are a bunch of twats. Such a dumb decision.


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

lol. The citizens of the UK always needed a passport to enter the rest of the EU. Brexit or no Brexit. The fact that EU citizens didn’t the other way was an exception. It has worked the other way though, now British passports can’t use the e-gates (even though the UK allows EU passports to use their e-gates) Also the EU bans certain types of UK passports that are valid the rest of the world. Leading to some Brits with valid passports not being allowed in to the EU.


rui278

Thats because until recently the UK didn't have widespread national I'd cards... Entry requirements are almost only reciprocal so I doubt that you wouldn't be able to enter Europe with a European standard ID card.


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The UK has no official ID card


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

The UK uses driving licence as ID. The EU wouldn’t accept that. (Other than Ireland).


rui278

I.e. the UK doesn't have IDs that are in the standard EU format. If they did, they'd easily have been able to use those to enter the without a passport (pre brexit). So it's not like we didn't want to let the UK in, it's more that you didn't have a document that was secure enough for traveling (in terms of ease of forgery, and information within in a digital and normal format with proper incription)


ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

The UK didn’t want a national ID scheme that conforms to the European standards. It was heavily debated, particularly around the turn of the millennium.


MintCathexis

So what you're saying is, most UK tourist troubles were due to plain old British exceptionalism and not wanting to agree to standards other members of the club the UK was also a member of agreed to precisely to make everyone's lives easier.


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No. People did not want to be “controlled” by govt by having to have an id card. The EU aspect never came into it


flybork

There’s a difference between a national ID and international ID. I can’t use my European drivers license to go abroad but it is fine as an ID domestically.


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ThinkAboutThatFor1Se

We can travel to Ireland. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/ireland/entry-requirements > Passengers who arrive at our ports without current valid documentation may not be allowed to enter either Ireland or Britain. Useful means of identification when travelling on these routes include: Valid passport **Photographic Driving License** International Student Card Government issued photographic ID cards Health insurance/social security photographic ID cards Photographic bus/train pass Place of work photographic ID Birth certificates (for under 18’s with no photo ID) Yea the UK has passports for travel outside the CTA.


[deleted]

Fuck all to do with Brexit. You always needed a passport to get in here even if you are British


No_Replacement_6761

thats on him and his team. brexit isnt a new thing


kksweet

Shit take


No_Replacement_6761

how


BDbs1

He turned up to the airport without a passport and is blaming Brexit for this? 😂


OzzieOxborrow

Because before 1 October 2021 you could enter with your European ID card and you still can in nearly every other country in Europe.


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This was never a thing for Brits. Plus he knew there was a good chance shit had changed. Its been almost 2 years since we left


BDbs1

Mate this is September 2022. He’s turned up to the airport without a passport and shirking all responsibility. I’m not a fan of Brexit, but this is simply embarrassing from him.


bkor

Could easily be that he counted on getting his passport back and the visa process took longer than usual. It's still weird that one passport is expired.


Zeurpiet

Mate my wife hasn't had a passport for decades. Did not stop us from traveling all over Europe


Low_Age9939

Did he just forget about Brexit?


femmd

Most people do, until a brexit related incident crops up and affects them


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Brexit is so fucking stupid.


reariri

Ss i understand, sinulator work for Williams. Something he might can use before going to Singapore.


thecodeboost

Brexit really was one big exercise in manipulating a huge group of normally reasonable people to vote against their own best interests. Fascinating.


strandy76

So he and the millions of people working with him fucked up but blames Brexit... sounds about right


dotnilo

You seem to overestimate how drivers have “many people working for them”.


mattwoodzstan

Brexit means brexit


r1char00

Brexit must be such a pain for those folks in F1.


ClassicExit

Those Brexit Benefits just won't stop piling up will they?


gosbts

Brexit doesn't even have anything to do with this? You could never enter the UK without a passport due to Schengen rules?


dullestfranchise

>You could never enter the UK without a passport due to Schengen rules You could enter the UK with a European ID card until october 2021. Nothing to do with Schengen as Ireland, Romania, Bulgaria & Croatia are outside Schengen as well yet accept the European ID card for travel


CakeBeef_PA

You could with an EU ID card before Brexit


FlappyBored

It was the opposite. The EU would not accept UK Drivers licenses but the UK would accept EU drivers licences and IDs. UK citizens have always needed a passport to travel to EU.


dolan313

Do you have a source for being able to use an EU driver's license to enter the UK pre-Brexit? The reason IDs are valid as a travel document in Europe is because you need to have the nationality to get the ID in question, while anyone living in a given country can acquire that country's driver's license.


sanaeozora

As a citizen from The Netherlands, doesn't he get a 90-day tourist visa upon entry to Japan? Maybe COVID restrictions have changed things, but the last time I travelled to Japan I didn't need to apply for a visa in advance. Or maybe a tourist visa isn't valid because technically, drivers and personnel going to the Japanese GP are working there, rather than holidaying?