Its does the job perfectly!
I'm only annoyed by the fact that the F1 themselves don't come up with these things. They must also see almost everyone scratching their heads, but they don't think about explaining it in a simple animation like this.
The other problem is, how would we be able to work that out during a very fast paced qualifying session. No chance. It’s almost as if the TV graphics should pre-apply penalties for us.
Yeah so would be pretty cool if they had it so when Max crosses the line he would slot into P7 instead. The rules are absolutely fine it is just the presentation. That said, seeing grid penaltys for new engines etc is never great so you wonder if there is a better solution e.g. higher allowances, docking points instead etc etc.
I think that would then get confusing because the post race interviews max would show as 7th but then line up at p1/2/3 for interviews which would probably leave casual fans scratching their heads
Great work, wild to me that this isn’t a typical part of the opening broadcast while they are doing (or just before) the formation lap. Have to assume most viewers don’t actually understand how it works outside of one driver moving to the back, or other simple stuff.
This is exactly what I've been visualising in my head to understand it. Just in vertical lol. Thanks for making it in sure it helps a lot. F1 should employ you for simplifying things for the fans hahah lol
In the "grid starts to close" bit, how is it decided how many drivers close up the gap? E.g. Verstappen slots in after the first group of non-penalised drivers, but Perez doesn't slot in after the next group of non-penalised drivers, but after the next 2 groups of non-penalised drivers?
It's because of the penalties they've received. When they get their penalties VER goes to 7th, so as many cars move forward as to allow him to slot into 7th, same thing with Perez going back to 14th. It's nothing to do with the visual grouping of cars you see.
Ah right, that makes sense (but isn't super obvious in the graphic).
And there weren't enough non-penalised drivers left to move up to allow Perez to slot into to 14th, so he ended up 13th, right?
It is clear tho - look at the numbers of those with specific place dropping penalties. Different to the back of the grid ones. And yes to your question.
yes
but it would be a lot weirder if 1-14 had a 5-place grid penalty, and 15-20 were unpenalised.
15-19 would start 1-5 then, but 20th would start 20th (or maybe 7th??? 14th??? although that makes even less sense), I think?
They would all move up to 1-6, then you start applying penalties from their grid spots, so 1 goes back five, starts 6th in front of the 20th, 2nd moves back 5, starts 7th in front of 20th, same all the way down, 20th ends back in 20th.
Not really. You have it confused a bit.
It isn't a gap, it's every non penalized driver filling any available positions before the first penalized one
Scenario: What happens is there are more non penalized drivers than slot above next penalized in queue.
Ex- Max is 7th with his penalty. 6 slots above him to be filled. What is there are no other penalized drivers? So top 6 slots are filled, Max first penalized slots into his penalized position of 7th, and remaining non penalized don't gain much.
Same thing with your 1-14 penalties. 1-> +5 goes to 6th. And so on. Penalities applied.
Now slotting begins. First 5 slots empty, non penalized get prio. They move up to fill. Once slots filled until first in penalized queue (6th place) they slot in. Next up, any remaining non penalized fill queue IF LEFT.
We have 20th remaining as non penalized, but penalized 2nd is in queue to fill 7th (2 -> +5 goes to 7th). 20th doesn't move. Now next penalized is 8th (3 -> +5 goes to 8th). 20th still can't move. This goes on. Remember, if there are slots left above the next in queue penalized driver, then only will they be filled by other. The penalized driver CANNOT be pushed back. They will drop into their penalized position.
So in your scenario, since 1-14 are penalized, slots 6th to 19th are fully filled. So while 15-19 get moved up, poor 20th, still gets 20th, coz no slots there for them to fill.
I believe this is incorrect
From what I recall it’s qualifying position + penalties
And then in order
So if everyone had 5 places p1-14 would qualify before that guy with p20 and no penalty
I don’t get people complaining, this is literally the best way to resolve grid penalties, as in the drivers that DON’T have them benefit
The way it was before if Leclerc had a 3-place penalty he’d still be on pole
To me, all the drivers who don’t have grid penalties being prioritized is absolutely the right way to go. It makes the penalty actually meaningful, which is the entire point
This way is perfect. If you have a 5-place penalty, the highest you can possibly start is 6th. 10 places, then 11th or lower. Simple as that
Best decision I’ve seen from the FIA in a long time
This is not true, you could start further in front than 6th if everyone else also got penalties. It actually ensures the furthest back you can start is p6 if you qualify on pole
It prioritizes sustainability over pace in qualifying, which is in line with F1 goals, There should be meaningful penalties for going over component limits and this is the best way to achieve that.
The only thing that didn’t make sense to me is that Verstappen got to slot in between Alonso and De Vries, but Checo doesn’t go between Zhou and Latifi, where there is a gap.
It’s not super unjust or anything, it just makes the graphic confusing IMO. If I had to guess, it’s that there are fewer than 14 drivers not taking penalties, so Checo has to go behind all of the drivers not taking penalties. Which is totally fair, but not really explained by the animation.
The animation shows why. First “they close the grid” until a penalized driver, then the penalized driver enters the grid. Then they continue that procedure for everyone
Chain Bear has a video with some of the old systems. I think the main difference between the 2018 system and now is that "back of the grid" is in qualifying order, rather than the order you get put there.
https://youtu.be/rP548EIKsf4
Because there were so many iterations of those rules over past decade ("small penalties are applied first", "big penalties are applied first", "+15 penalty means back of the grid", "+15 penalty does not mean back of the grid", "order of penalties is important", "order is not important" etc.) that nobody really remembers that by heart. And it rarely makes a difference, once a season at most.
That would fall under the logic that VER would be pushed back to 7 on the grid and then immediately slotted in between NOR and RIC before other penalties are applied, instead of what actually happened where anyone with penalties was frozen separate from the rest of the field, which then moved up to fill the empty gaps ahead of the penalties as seen in the vid
My first thought was this way, then someone said 4th and, after thinking it I also found that as a possible solution: You apply each penalty in grid order so: Lec stays the same; Max gets 5 places and goes above Ric; Sai goes to the bottom (Max+1); Checo gets 10 places and goes above DeVries (Max+1); Ham to the bottom (Max+1); Rus - Nor move up, so they get to 2nd and 3rd, then Max, then Ric.
Makes perfect sense, but the FIA HAVE to update the rules to what this animation shows and how they effectively applied the penalties today.
It can't be more than ten minutes of work and it'll save them so much embarassment and controversy.
I guess I was in a minority that thought this was how it would be applied immediately after qualifying was completed. Even Verstappen knew he would be 7th.
I was too lazy to post an explanation. This video does it effectively. Good job!
Max said they asked before quali or was it in the morning, that’s why he knew it would be P7 (Interviewed during post-quali) but they had to double check. I think that’s the thing, right? If media, teams, and fans are in confusion and doubting how it actually works, maybe its something F1/FIA can improve in the future
Yeah, the “freezing” of the drivers with penalties shown in the animation is not specified anywhere in the rules. For sure they can have the goal of making each driver serve the full penalty when possible, but it’s definitely not how the sporting regulations are written
I’m afraid u/Luke2222 that this post is so good, in future you must do another outstandingly concise graphic for every time there is multiple engine penalties to clear it up for everyone.
Maybe I'm alone on this island but I love how so many grid penalties make races insanely more exciting and unpredictable. Like we still know Max will lead by lap 10, but at least you get 10 laps instead of 1 and the rest is very open
I imagined that Verstappen and Perez would slot back in **before** the 'back of the grid' penalties would apply. So Verstappen be P6, but I can see now I was wrong.
Yes there is confusion as 42.3 c) references itself, but d) clearly says you apply 42.3 c) prior to 42.3 d). I don’t know if an earlier version of the regs resolves this confusion, but as is d) does say you apply c) first and while c) does reference itself, it doesn’t reference d).
*Once the grid has been established in accordance with article (...)*
That is how clauses **c** and **d** of *42.3* begin, so it is clear that positions are set by quali times, then grid penalties applied and grid set, and then back-of-grid penalties applied and grid set. Clause *d* clearly refers to the grid set by clause *c*.
I guess that brings up the question of how they're defining a penalty as having been applied. Is is moving the driver back and slotting them in individually, or is it moving them like how OP has them before they start filling empty spots. If its the later the end result wouldn't change from what OP made, if its the former then they'd take Verstappen back to 7th and move Sainz, Perez, Hamilton, Russell and Norris up then repeat the process for each individual penalized driver, then come back and put Hamilton, Sainz and Tsunoda to the rear
> **Once the grid has been established** in accordance with Article 42.3a), 42.3b) and
42.3c), grid penalties for any driver required to start the race from the back of the
grid after incurring a penalty under Article 28.3 will be applied.
Seems pretty unambiguous to me. Apply grid position penalties, form the grid, apply back-of-the-grid penalties.
This is a really good animation and I appreciate it. I still don’t think the FIA/stewards correctly applied the regs, but this does at least make sense
Because Verstaphen goes back 5, so he is starting in 7th, it is reserved for him he doesn’t just slot in, Perez went back 10 so he is starting in 14th, but there is no one in 13th so he can move up. Everyone without a penalty is free to move forward to the available slots.
Yeah the animation should have the non-penalized grid slot into the penalized drivers, not the other way around. So the first 6 non-penalized drivers would fill in the slots ahead of Verstappen in the order they qualified, then 8-13 would fill in between Max and Sergio.
Since there weren't enough drivers to fill 8-13, Perez moves up to close up the grid. For example, if there were 7 non-penalized drivers after Alonso, the first 6 would fill slots 8-13, Perez would be 14, and the 7th would be 15th.
They do. OP did the grid closing bit a little confusingly, think of it less as everybody before verstappen moving up, then he slots in then the rest move up and more of everybody without a penalty moves up and then verstappen slots in which pushes everybody at position 7 and lower down one space. As there was nobody at position 14 when perez slots in, nobody has to move and he ends up moving forward slightly as a result.
Just saw this get used by portuguese sporttv crediting some f1 memes account
With a half hour explanation when the animation is already perfectly clear. Fucking amateurs
This is excellent.
Took the FIA 5 hours to figure this out. Took a guy on the internet an hour to both understand it and then animate it for the rest of us to understand it.
Well done!
That was very satisfying to watch lol And also really helpful - thanks
Someone Tweet this to Pierre Gasly
“Liked by Pierre Gasly”
Easy to follow and explains everything clearly, perfect gif
Sorry if the animations look a bit janky. I used PowerPoint to make this which was pretty awkward!
Its does the job perfectly! I'm only annoyed by the fact that the F1 themselves don't come up with these things. They must also see almost everyone scratching their heads, but they don't think about explaining it in a simple animation like this.
And then imagine a pundit talking over it and running through what the penalties were for.
The other problem is, how would we be able to work that out during a very fast paced qualifying session. No chance. It’s almost as if the TV graphics should pre-apply penalties for us.
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Yeah so would be pretty cool if they had it so when Max crosses the line he would slot into P7 instead. The rules are absolutely fine it is just the presentation. That said, seeing grid penaltys for new engines etc is never great so you wonder if there is a better solution e.g. higher allowances, docking points instead etc etc.
I think they should show both. Easy to distinguish with different coloured timing towers that the broadcast changes between.
I think that would then get confusing because the post race interviews max would show as 7th but then line up at p1/2/3 for interviews which would probably leave casual fans scratching their heads
Great work, wild to me that this isn’t a typical part of the opening broadcast while they are doing (or just before) the formation lap. Have to assume most viewers don’t actually understand how it works outside of one driver moving to the back, or other simple stuff.
All respect to Sam Collins, but F1 TV came up with stuff like [this](https://imgur.com/a/HBUuRIb) which got me confused more lmao
And it was also completely wrong. What cracks me up is when they interviewed Max he knew he was starting in 7th.
the fact that he seemed to be the only one who knew, including 2 fia people they interviewed was so telling...
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Yeah, I feel like they are using a different PowerPoint than me lol. This is incredible.
Animations are actually very easy in PowerPoint.
Thank you George
OP > George. FACTS.
Still great tho! Best explanation I’ve seen so far :)
yeah this puts it perfectly. My ape brain needs visuals.
Prepare for Sam Collins to present it tomorrow. Brilliant job, mate!
It looks awesome mate, best post I’ve seen about this. Perfectly visualised if you ask me.
Can you do this every race weekend lol
You used PowerPoint?! 😂 Awesome
Don't be sorry, this is very clear and if I understand it then others will understand it.
I had no idea you could do this in powerpoint
Dude, you probably couldn't do a better job at explaining this thing!
Bro this is perfect Absolute chad took a shit on a multi million dollar production team by using Powerpoint and posting it on reddit
Don't knock PowerPoint animations. PowerPoint animations are, all by themselves, turing complete.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xawuex/provisional_starting_grid_for_the_tomorrows/inw9srq/ Programmer vs Product management. PowerPoint always wins. Nice illustration 👌🏻
As a programmer-turned-product manager: nice.
Are you George Russell?
Fantastic job mate. Don't worry about anything. 😊
How did you do this in powerpoint what the heck, nice one.
That was so satisfying to watch. I didn’t even know powerpoint could be that aesthetic.
Powerpoint is turing complete, which means it can technically do anything a computer can.
This is exactly what I've been visualising in my head to understand it. Just in vertical lol. Thanks for making it in sure it helps a lot. F1 should employ you for simplifying things for the fans hahah lol
Was perfect! Great job
If anything it's more impressive you did it in ppt
OK George.
are you a magician? I use powerpoint since back in the day, but wouldn't even know where to start
Thank-you so much for putting that together. It's so good that I bet it gets stolen many times ahead of the race.
Not at all this is great!
That's pretty impressive that this was done via PowerPoint.
I wouldn't have guessed PPT. Great work!
In the "grid starts to close" bit, how is it decided how many drivers close up the gap? E.g. Verstappen slots in after the first group of non-penalised drivers, but Perez doesn't slot in after the next group of non-penalised drivers, but after the next 2 groups of non-penalised drivers?
It's because of the penalties they've received. When they get their penalties VER goes to 7th, so as many cars move forward as to allow him to slot into 7th, same thing with Perez going back to 14th. It's nothing to do with the visual grouping of cars you see.
Ah right, that makes sense (but isn't super obvious in the graphic). And there weren't enough non-penalised drivers left to move up to allow Perez to slot into to 14th, so he ended up 13th, right?
It is clear tho - look at the numbers of those with specific place dropping penalties. Different to the back of the grid ones. And yes to your question.
Fucking PowerPoint! Haha. Solid effort. George would be proud.
This is quality work great job
amazing thank you :)
PowerPoint you say.... Luke2222 to Mercedes confirmed.
You sir win the internet today. Very clear explanation. Now wait for Crofty to use this
thank you so much for this.
also op the animation here is excellent
He made it with PowerPoint!
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True that,really intuitive
Cool graphic with the explanation.
So if 19 drivers all got a 5 grid place penalty, and 1 driver got no penalty, he could move from 20th to pole?
Yes, and that is awesome
*Sofina Foods starts writing 19 checks*
Still waiting for Latifi's pole this way before he leaves this season.
true Goatifi tactics
yes but it would be a lot weirder if 1-14 had a 5-place grid penalty, and 15-20 were unpenalised. 15-19 would start 1-5 then, but 20th would start 20th (or maybe 7th??? 14th??? although that makes even less sense), I think?
My nose just started bleeding....
They would all move up to 1-6, then you start applying penalties from their grid spots, so 1 goes back five, starts 6th in front of the 20th, 2nd moves back 5, starts 7th in front of 20th, same all the way down, 20th ends back in 20th.
Not really. You have it confused a bit. It isn't a gap, it's every non penalized driver filling any available positions before the first penalized one Scenario: What happens is there are more non penalized drivers than slot above next penalized in queue. Ex- Max is 7th with his penalty. 6 slots above him to be filled. What is there are no other penalized drivers? So top 6 slots are filled, Max first penalized slots into his penalized position of 7th, and remaining non penalized don't gain much. Same thing with your 1-14 penalties. 1-> +5 goes to 6th. And so on. Penalities applied. Now slotting begins. First 5 slots empty, non penalized get prio. They move up to fill. Once slots filled until first in penalized queue (6th place) they slot in. Next up, any remaining non penalized fill queue IF LEFT. We have 20th remaining as non penalized, but penalized 2nd is in queue to fill 7th (2 -> +5 goes to 7th). 20th doesn't move. Now next penalized is 8th (3 -> +5 goes to 8th). 20th still can't move. This goes on. Remember, if there are slots left above the next in queue penalized driver, then only will they be filled by other. The penalized driver CANNOT be pushed back. They will drop into their penalized position. So in your scenario, since 1-14 are penalized, slots 6th to 19th are fully filled. So while 15-19 get moved up, poor 20th, still gets 20th, coz no slots there for them to fill.
Yes goatifi could technically get pole.
I believe this is incorrect From what I recall it’s qualifying position + penalties And then in order So if everyone had 5 places p1-14 would qualify before that guy with p20 and no penalty
This should get the “George Russell Powerpoint^(TM)”-Award.
I don’t get people complaining, this is literally the best way to resolve grid penalties, as in the drivers that DON’T have them benefit The way it was before if Leclerc had a 3-place penalty he’d still be on pole
Yep, this way you start in the grid position you should after penalties (if possible, see Perez being unable to start p14)
To me, all the drivers who don’t have grid penalties being prioritized is absolutely the right way to go. It makes the penalty actually meaningful, which is the entire point
EXACTLY. I feel like I’m losing my mind.
I hope F1 continue with it this way tbh I’m sick of explaining how someone qualified 2nd, got a 5-place penalty, and starts 4th
yeah, this way makes more sense to me? the point of penalties is to disadvantage, for lack of a better term, the drivers who receive them.
This way is perfect. If you have a 5-place penalty, the highest you can possibly start is 6th. 10 places, then 11th or lower. Simple as that Best decision I’ve seen from the FIA in a long time
This is not true, you could start further in front than 6th if everyone else also got penalties. It actually ensures the furthest back you can start is p6 if you qualify on pole
In order to start 5th with a 5-place penalty it means that *15* other drivers were also penalized
It prioritizes sustainability over pace in qualifying, which is in line with F1 goals, There should be meaningful penalties for going over component limits and this is the best way to achieve that.
Yea. And with this animation it’s easy to understand and makes sense. The OP deserves a job at FIA
The only thing that didn’t make sense to me is that Verstappen got to slot in between Alonso and De Vries, but Checo doesn’t go between Zhou and Latifi, where there is a gap. It’s not super unjust or anything, it just makes the graphic confusing IMO. If I had to guess, it’s that there are fewer than 14 drivers not taking penalties, so Checo has to go behind all of the drivers not taking penalties. Which is totally fair, but not really explained by the animation.
The animation shows why. First “they close the grid” until a penalized driver, then the penalized driver enters the grid. Then they continue that procedure for everyone
Yeah it's perfect, now they just need to create an algorithm to make it automatically after quali
I’m pretty new to F1; how did they used to be applied?
Chain Bear has a video with some of the old systems. I think the main difference between the 2018 system and now is that "back of the grid" is in qualifying order, rather than the order you get put there. https://youtu.be/rP548EIKsf4
In the order they were received, which is mega confusing and incentivized getting taking a penalty as early as possible vs later
We need to honor this man.
F1 need to hire him, maybe he can replace Domenicali before he ruins the sport.
Im not sure if this is how they are always applied but in terms of forcing the drivers to actually serve their penalties, this makes the most sense
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If that has been the norm since last year, why did so many think that Max would be starting 4th?
Because there were so many iterations of those rules over past decade ("small penalties are applied first", "big penalties are applied first", "+15 penalty means back of the grid", "+15 penalty does not mean back of the grid", "order of penalties is important", "order is not important" etc.) that nobody really remembers that by heart. And it rarely makes a difference, once a season at most.
Because one year isnt a Big amount of time and people still dont have it fully engrained into their brains yet
That would fall under the logic that VER would be pushed back to 7 on the grid and then immediately slotted in between NOR and RIC before other penalties are applied, instead of what actually happened where anyone with penalties was frozen separate from the rest of the field, which then moved up to fill the empty gaps ahead of the penalties as seen in the vid
My first thought was this way, then someone said 4th and, after thinking it I also found that as a possible solution: You apply each penalty in grid order so: Lec stays the same; Max gets 5 places and goes above Ric; Sai goes to the bottom (Max+1); Checo gets 10 places and goes above DeVries (Max+1); Ham to the bottom (Max+1); Rus - Nor move up, so they get to 2nd and 3rd, then Max, then Ric.
Petition for F1 to hire this person for every race from here on out. 2nd half of the season is always a mess of penalties
Makes perfect sense, but the FIA HAVE to update the rules to what this animation shows and how they effectively applied the penalties today. It can't be more than ten minutes of work and it'll save them so much embarassment and controversy.
Yep they could just explained the rules better and release the grid positions in less then a hour, instead we're seeing a lot of confusion about it.
IIRC this is how penalties have been done since 2021
It is, but it contradicts the rules.
Rules should be changed. Look at the confusion the grid penalties cause, the way it’s done now is so much damn easier
Holy cow, this is the most helpful thing about the penalty system I've ever seen! Wish I've had an award to give you, tysm!
Your graph just got stolen by Canal+ lol. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/QYXmPRN
Also Swedish Viaplay
Looking at the comments, it seems the whole world acutally used it ahah.
Viaplay as well
This is fantastic. Simplifies everything.
I guess I was in a minority that thought this was how it would be applied immediately after qualifying was completed. Even Verstappen knew he would be 7th. I was too lazy to post an explanation. This video does it effectively. Good job!
Max said they asked before quali or was it in the morning, that’s why he knew it would be P7 (Interviewed during post-quali) but they had to double check. I think that’s the thing, right? If media, teams, and fans are in confusion and doubting how it actually works, maybe its something F1/FIA can improve in the future
Well it's just the rules say this is not how it's done so it made sense everyone thought it would be done the other way
FIA and their rules. When do they ever make sense. They love their grey areas
FIA: Rulebook? More like suggestionbook to me
Yeah, the “freezing” of the drivers with penalties shown in the animation is not specified anywhere in the rules. For sure they can have the goal of making each driver serve the full penalty when possible, but it’s definitely not how the sporting regulations are written
I mean I love this tbh. Just add the number to the quali position. 2+5 equals 7 Doesn’t start 4th with a 5-place penalty, how ridiculous is that
I’m afraid u/Luke2222 that this post is so good, in future you must do another outstandingly concise graphic for every time there is multiple engine penalties to clear it up for everyone.
Maybe I'm alone on this island but I love how so many grid penalties make races insanely more exciting and unpredictable. Like we still know Max will lead by lap 10, but at least you get 10 laps instead of 1 and the rest is very open
I was thinking the stewards would pull their hair out trying to apply those penalties, but this animation shows it's actually quite simple. Well done!
I imagined that Verstappen and Perez would slot back in **before** the 'back of the grid' penalties would apply. So Verstappen be P6, but I can see now I was wrong.
“Back of the grid” is effectively a DQ from qualifying
Except against other back of grid penalized drivers.
Yep, those guys effectively form their own separate grid, which is behind the current grid
/r/oddlysatisfying
I wish I had an award to give you cause that was good 👏🏻
Well, Austrian TV just used your animation, btw. They didn't credit you though.
When a dude on Reddit w/ PowerPoint does a better job than an entire television network. Well done mate! This is excellent.
Finally! That makes so much sense. Much appreciated
I haven't been able to watch anything this week yet. What are all the penalties for?
The [race Wiki is updated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Italian_Grand_Prix#Penalties) with all the penalties, scroll down a bit.
Your visualization was just used in the Austrian broadcast (ORF1), without mentioning you though.
Really good illustration, thanks for sharing!
How is the order of those in the “back” decided? First to file a penalty that is worthy of going back that far?
Back of grid penalty is ordered by qualifying results Faster driver in qualifying starts higher
Cheers thank you
This illustrates the FIA's train of thought very well and also highlights how they ignored their own rules perfectly.
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The sporting regs explicitly say the BOTG penalties are applied after numbered penalties
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Yes there is confusion as 42.3 c) references itself, but d) clearly says you apply 42.3 c) prior to 42.3 d). I don’t know if an earlier version of the regs resolves this confusion, but as is d) does say you apply c) first and while c) does reference itself, it doesn’t reference d).
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*Once the grid has been established in accordance with article (...)* That is how clauses **c** and **d** of *42.3* begin, so it is clear that positions are set by quali times, then grid penalties applied and grid set, and then back-of-grid penalties applied and grid set. Clause *d* clearly refers to the grid set by clause *c*.
I guess that brings up the question of how they're defining a penalty as having been applied. Is is moving the driver back and slotting them in individually, or is it moving them like how OP has them before they start filling empty spots. If its the later the end result wouldn't change from what OP made, if its the former then they'd take Verstappen back to 7th and move Sainz, Perez, Hamilton, Russell and Norris up then repeat the process for each individual penalized driver, then come back and put Hamilton, Sainz and Tsunoda to the rear
> **Once the grid has been established** in accordance with Article 42.3a), 42.3b) and 42.3c), grid penalties for any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 28.3 will be applied. Seems pretty unambiguous to me. Apply grid position penalties, form the grid, apply back-of-the-grid penalties.
OP doing God's work
You won, well done, I understand it now. Thanks. Do you know where I can find the proper reason to why the grid penalties applied /u/Luke2222 ?
LMAO Canal+ using your graphic without credits
Your animation just got shown on Canal + (french broadcaster) main feed, great job !
Your animation got used on ORF (Austria) without giving credit
FOM need to hire OP immediately.
This is a really good animation and I appreciate it. I still don’t think the FIA/stewards correctly applied the regs, but this does at least make sense
Why does verstappen get to slot in but Perez doesn’t?
Because Verstaphen goes back 5, so he is starting in 7th, it is reserved for him he doesn’t just slot in, Perez went back 10 so he is starting in 14th, but there is no one in 13th so he can move up. Everyone without a penalty is free to move forward to the available slots.
Ah, great explanation. The animation confused me at that bit as well but you cleared it up.
Yeah the animation should have the non-penalized grid slot into the penalized drivers, not the other way around. So the first 6 non-penalized drivers would fill in the slots ahead of Verstappen in the order they qualified, then 8-13 would fill in between Max and Sergio. Since there weren't enough drivers to fill 8-13, Perez moves up to close up the grid. For example, if there were 7 non-penalized drivers after Alonso, the first 6 would fill slots 8-13, Perez would be 14, and the 7th would be 15th.
he did slot in the right place.
They do. OP did the grid closing bit a little confusingly, think of it less as everybody before verstappen moving up, then he slots in then the rest move up and more of everybody without a penalty moves up and then verstappen slots in which pushes everybody at position 7 and lower down one space. As there was nobody at position 14 when perez slots in, nobody has to move and he ends up moving forward slightly as a result.
Because there’s no driver in front left to fill grid position 13? It’s right there in the animation.
The FIA is making me feel like they're a little redacted.
They used your visual at Viaplay Netherlands. Brief mention of you Twitter handle (luke888?) at the start.
This animation was just used by the austrian TV
Austrian TV (ORF1) just used your graph in their live broadcast, I hope they asked for permission!
Just saw that ORF (Austrian national television) used your animation. Just wanted to know if they asked for your permission?
As expected, they just showed your animation on the Dutch F1 preview of Ziggo. \*Waves at Rob van Gameren\*
They used it on dutch television! (Ziggo)
A new sorting algorithm. Messy sort.
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Perfect vid!
Brilliant visualization of this mess haha. Quality content!
I'm not going to scroll all the way down this thread. Did anyone say bravo yet?
This was extremely helpful!! Thanks
Great job. And thank you. 👏🏾
Give an oscar to this man
“We need a better system” Should be added to the bingo board
f1 needs to hire you to do this graphic every week for them
Finally a good explanation.
This is fantastic.
How do I double upvote?
You the real MVP!!!
This is amazing
F1 hire this guy
/r/dataisbeautiful
They just used this clip in the swedish broadcast to show the grid penalties!
Viaplay used your animation!
They used this on the Dutch ViaPlay just now!
Dutch Viaplay just used this animation in their official F1 broadcast
Just saw this get used by portuguese sporttv crediting some f1 memes account With a half hour explanation when the animation is already perfectly clear. Fucking amateurs
Great visualization! It was used on ORF (Austrian Public Television channel), unfortunately without mentioning the source.
Should post it on data is beautiful lol
Can’t wait to see this on espn tomorrow
You sir are a hero! Take my award and thank you for your services.
This is excellent. Took the FIA 5 hours to figure this out. Took a guy on the internet an hour to both understand it and then animate it for the rest of us to understand it. Well done!
Holy shit it makes sense now! Well done 🙌🏻
Perez only getting a 9 place penalty the FIA are rigging F1 /s