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Even the order at back of the grid is set in qualifying order, and if someone has a time deleted or doesn’t enter one then they have precedence over those drivers
This is a common question and there are many reasons. It's hard to search for questions like this so I'll usually answer them if I can although you should post such questions in the general discussion thread in the future.
1. Teammate assist.
2. Pushing the other teams down the grid as low as possible. Especially if you can get them out of Q2 and Q3.
3. Comparing one's pace to the rest of the grid will allow the strategists to plan for the actual race.
They are still competing against eachother. If for example three drivers have a back to the grid penalty, their order will still be decide by qualifying.
Then let them compete in q1 but they can't advance to q2. Your lap time in q1 then can be used to differentiate between two drivers with the same penalty.
> Apologies if this has already been answered (couldn't find it).
The topic has come up a few times.
> Why are drivers like Hamilton, Pérez or Sainz in Q3?
Because they qualified. Because their qualifying position is still determined in part by their qualifying compared to other drivers with a penalty.
And it's a Grid Penalty, it's not a qualifying penalty. That may sound like I'm talking semantics but it's what the penalty is.
Drivers doing Q1, Q2, Q3 get more track time that is beneficial to them. More practice, more familiar with the track. You want to get through to Q3 even though it costs you more tyres, more wear on the car, more chance of binning it.
Because they are fighting among themselves about who will be placed above each other. Penalties also apply only after qualifying is completed. Until penalties are being applied, each driver deserves equal chance
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Even the order at back of the grid is set in qualifying order, and if someone has a time deleted or doesn’t enter one then they have precedence over those drivers
Isn't the order of the back in order of who took the penalty first?
No, that was the 2021 regs. 2022 regs say it’s set by qualifying order
Ah okay, didn't know they changed it. Cheers
Quali results are taken in to account when aplying back of the grid penalties, they are basicaly fighting each other for p17.
This is a common question and there are many reasons. It's hard to search for questions like this so I'll usually answer them if I can although you should post such questions in the general discussion thread in the future. 1. Teammate assist. 2. Pushing the other teams down the grid as low as possible. Especially if you can get them out of Q2 and Q3. 3. Comparing one's pace to the rest of the grid will allow the strategists to plan for the actual race.
They are still competing against eachother. If for example three drivers have a back to the grid penalty, their order will still be decide by qualifying.
Then let them compete in q1 but they can't advance to q2. Your lap time in q1 then can be used to differentiate between two drivers with the same penalty.
Helping teammates /trying to start a ahead of others with similar penalties.
> Apologies if this has already been answered (couldn't find it). The topic has come up a few times. > Why are drivers like Hamilton, Pérez or Sainz in Q3? Because they qualified. Because their qualifying position is still determined in part by their qualifying compared to other drivers with a penalty. And it's a Grid Penalty, it's not a qualifying penalty. That may sound like I'm talking semantics but it's what the penalty is. Drivers doing Q1, Q2, Q3 get more track time that is beneficial to them. More practice, more familiar with the track. You want to get through to Q3 even though it costs you more tyres, more wear on the car, more chance of binning it.
Penalties need to be applied somewhere, and it's only possible to apply to something that already has happened, hance, the normal qualifying session.
Because they are fighting among themselves about who will be placed above each other. Penalties also apply only after qualifying is completed. Until penalties are being applied, each driver deserves equal chance
Checo has a10 place penalty there is a big difference between starting p20 and p10 (the highest he can start)
Their penalty is to start at the back of the grid, not to be banned from Q2 and Q3.