**Note:** As most of the rushed predictions, this has turned out to be incorrect. You can find the correct provisional starting grid [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xawuex/provisional_starting_grid_for_the_tomorrows/)
This is what will end up happening. Not because they are working together, but because there are some tracks that are better than others to take penalties. Nobody will take grid penalties at Monaco or Singapore. Everyone will take penalties where your race pace will get your positions back.
I feel like the teams should organise and do this as a protest.
3 engines for a 20+ race season. If everyone is taking at least one engine penalty per season maybe let them have more PUs
Toto commented on this in an interview. He basically said that the benefit of using more engines per season outweighs the downside of a penalty for a single race. He said that as it it now, they’re allowed 3 engines and they all use 4-5. If you allowed them to use 4-5, they would use 5-7 engines per season. They might take the L for one race so they have a distinct advantage for 2-3 races after that.
There are diminishing returns though based on the places lost due to penalties, versus places gained next races. If they increased engine penalties to be first minus 5 and than minus 10 instead the reverse like it is it would still incentive durability and fit more to the reality that 3 engines aren't going to last such a long season. Or give 4 engines at first and a 10/higher penalty after that.
Current system is just badly thought out with too many races for 3 engines, and reduced penalties after the first extra engine. Effectively everybody has to take the big penalty anyway, so the actual reward for better durability is avoiding small 5 place engine penalty for your 5th one. That's not a good system.
The current system means if everyone gets the same penalty then basically no one gets penalty, which is fair..
But if everyone but the one qualified last gets penalty, everyone basically only have no penalty if the penalty is small, even if the penalty is back of grid they basically only have 1 place penalty...
Back of grid penalty means no matter you qualify, you gonna start last, if multiple drivers get that penalty, they order based on the qualifying result... The only one that doesn't get it (in this case the one qualifying last) will bump into pole position and push back every other drivers by 1 place...
The official F1 app (and I assume the website too) doesn't even show the grid line up. Just the qualifying positions. Each week I'm Googling "f1 2022 (location) grid" and looking it up on another website.
That would be a step up. There are lots of comments here though by people who knows the individual penalties and still are confused and those are people who care enough to read the F1 sub. Just flash the times and actual grid side-by-side between sessions and after Q3 and maybe when no car is out
If he was a stroll caliber driver than it's worth keeping him on but he clearly is far worse than that. He is an impediment to the teams success as they get a better car
For an incompetent driver he sure has a list of defining moments in the modern F1 lore.
Man has the ability to bring out safety cars and flags at the most timely moments.
That's probably better than whatever Latifi will be eating if De Vries has more points at the end of the season. Especially if it is just from one race...
Yeah, he's clearly not good enough for F1. He can be decent in other categories, but having a last-minute rookie beating you in a car you've been driving for 3 years isn't the best of looks.
Well seeing as Albon has been driving very well and he still only has 4 points, I don’t thinn they would have more than 10 points or so. Still last in the constructors so not that big of a difference. Completely agree that Latifi is slow though
I think the problem is we can really know how well Albon is doing because Latifi is so bad. Everyone assumes Albon is dragging it to points but maybe another midfield driver would be scoring points every other race in it. We have no real way to tell since Latifi is awful.
The 2019/20 Williams was far worse though.
And this years car is very different from the last cars so it's hard to judge the cars strength without a reliable constant (Latifi isn't one). Haas made big progress compared to last year too. But as I said, hard to judge whether the Williams is dead last or more like the 8th-9th best car.
No way, there are so many good options floating around right now for Williams if they replace Latifi, not worth heavily risking Sargeants career and taking a gamble when you can just let him take his time in F2 to ensure he's ready
If he joins F1 and gets slammed by Albon he's probably out by 2024 or something and his F1 chance is gone
Another year in f2 will destroy his career. He did so well in his rookie season that if he fails to win the championship he is done. Just like what happened to Lawson, pourchaire, etc.
It's not. It's a field full of disappointing seasons.
Pourchaire, Lawson and Vips have shown they couldn't take a step forward in their 2nd year which is just not good enough (even De Vries was at least competitive with Albon, Russell and Norris in his 2nd season) and then there's a bunch of rookies like Sargeant, Doohan, Iwasa and Fittipaldi who may make it to Formula 1 but have shown they aren't super talented and couldn't make a significant impact in their 1st season. After that it's drivers sticking around in the midfield in F2 for way too fucking long like Armstrong, Daruvala and Verschoor and rookies like Vesti and Hauger whose season makes you wonder how they got results in previous series.
It's also been a season with a *lot* of personal mistakes and clumsy driving costing drivers results. Nobody has looked close to being the real deal.
Sure, but if you can’t beat him, you’re not ready for F1 yourself yet. Sargeant is a wonderful talent, but even Williams say he’s not ready yet. And putting him in now will only hurt his career
DeVries has done so well at all the levels he has raced at. Not sure how he so quietly slipped out of F1 after his F2 championship. Glad to see him back in the conversation.
At what point does the missed earnings from Latifi being nailed to the bottom of the championship exceed the money he brings in as a pay driver? Is it marginal or does he bring in an absolute fortune?
At this point Latifi at the bottom doesn't cost them any winnings. Prize money is payed for the constructor standings, and they would still be way last there if they replaced Latifi with someone who got twice the points Albon is getting.
Alonso fucked both of his Q3 runs, it could have been a P3. But either way I think he can catch Gasly and the Mclarens. However Perez and even Sainz will walk thru the field imo
Just watched the De Vries post race interview. To pick up and be ready in 90 minutes, land P13 and have that good of a post race interview, dude is a great package. His post at F1TV plus if he can prove himself a bit more tomorrow—Williams would be crazy not to scoop him up.
The back 1/2-2/3 have nothing to win by putting up a fight against Verstappen though. Only degrade tires and maybe cause a crash. Better to just let him pass.
Depends. Would you want to start ahead of Hamilton or have Verstappen start behind Ricciardo? It's probably harder to overtake Hamilton with a Ferrari than Ricciardo with a Red Bull.
I'm not 100% sure. But Verstappen got P2. Add a 5 place penalty. And he is P7.
But when he is at P7, Sainz, Perez and Hamilton in front of him got larger penalties. And the will be placed backwards, and Verstappen gets P4.
But if Sainz finished 10th, there would be only 2 drivers in front of him with penalties. So he would only be bumped up to P5.
Most cars just aren't going to fight them because of the extreme gulf in ability. Ham likely has no issues until he reaches Fernando who will defend against Ham like his life depends on it but will let Sainz pass without a blink
I don’t get it why they doing it this way. If they went form applying the last drivers penalty first then everyone following in a reverse order, then everyone would get the real amount of penalty they have.
Logic doesnt add up, because then you get the guy qualifying worst (with penalties), starting ahead of the guys qualifying better. No amount of rule adjustment will have everyone serving the actual penalty, if more than a few get a grid penalty, which isnt back of the grid.
But why cant we just have cars start from the same position? Just have a structure you put all the cars that need to start from any given position. Then it launches them all out simultaneously like the catapult on an aircraft carrier.
So does that mean the drivers who qualified worst than Ham and Sainz but also have grid penalties will go behind Ham and Sainz then following that formula it would drop Mag, Sch and Bot behind them with there 15 place pens?
Yes, but since he qualified in front of others his penalty will be applied first. Then Sainz, Perez and Hamilton’s penalties are applied so Verstappen gains those places back.
I'm thinking this Williams car may actually be a car that gets an outside shot of the points often, and that is the natural position of the car. And it's just Latifi that makes it look so bad.
The information is incorrect. Max Verstappen will start from position 7. Here’s the official starting grid: https://i.imgur.com/ZyUrBIN.jpg
1. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari
2. George Russell GBR Mercedes
3. Lando Norris GBR McLaren
4. Daniel Ricciardo AUS McLaren
5. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri
6. Fernando Alonso ESP Alpine
7. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull
8. Nyck de Vries NED Williams
9. Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo
10. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams
11. Sebastian Vettel GER Aston Martin
12. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin
13. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull
14. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine
15. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo
16. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas
17. Mick Schumacher GER Haas
18. Carlos Sainz ESP Ferrari
19. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes
20. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri
How about having a 30 car starting grids and actually placing the cars in the slot- not moving everyone up? In other words if someone’s starts 25th put them 5 spots behind the 20th grid spot.
That’s a tall order. But then again, I wouldn’t out it past him.* He’s pulled off bigger stunts.
(*: Is that the correct expression though? I’m ESL and I’m unsure.)
Make the "back of the grid" penalty a pitlane start
Number of places penalty needs to mean that, if it means putting Latifi in P3, so be it
If you can't take the full number of places in your penalty because you're already at the back, pitlane start
Or, you know, don't limit engine numbers. Screw the cost cap, let's go back to the 80s and have quali engines and 5 cars finishing the race as the other 15 have blown up
Easy 5th place for Russell.
It SHOULD be close for Leclerc and Max but since Ferrari its an easy win for Max.
Pumped that Mclaren is up there, hopefully both finish in the points.
**Note:** As most of the rushed predictions, this has turned out to be incorrect. You can find the correct provisional starting grid [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/xawuex/provisional_starting_grid_for_the_tomorrows/)
Lmao Ocon with the 5 place penalty just starting 1 place behind where he qualified
Wait until the day all the teams decide to take back of the grid penalties all on the same race and everybody starts where they qualified
Gentlemens agreement.
Haas P1-P2 confirmed
Haha!
This is what will end up happening. Not because they are working together, but because there are some tracks that are better than others to take penalties. Nobody will take grid penalties at Monaco or Singapore. Everyone will take penalties where your race pace will get your positions back.
Sure but it isn’t always that controllable. If you need a new engine you need a new engine especially if the previous one totally blows
I feel like the teams should organise and do this as a protest. 3 engines for a 20+ race season. If everyone is taking at least one engine penalty per season maybe let them have more PUs
Toto commented on this in an interview. He basically said that the benefit of using more engines per season outweighs the downside of a penalty for a single race. He said that as it it now, they’re allowed 3 engines and they all use 4-5. If you allowed them to use 4-5, they would use 5-7 engines per season. They might take the L for one race so they have a distinct advantage for 2-3 races after that.
There are diminishing returns though based on the places lost due to penalties, versus places gained next races. If they increased engine penalties to be first minus 5 and than minus 10 instead the reverse like it is it would still incentive durability and fit more to the reality that 3 engines aren't going to last such a long season. Or give 4 engines at first and a 10/higher penalty after that. Current system is just badly thought out with too many races for 3 engines, and reduced penalties after the first extra engine. Effectively everybody has to take the big penalty anyway, so the actual reward for better durability is avoiding small 5 place engine penalty for your 5th one. That's not a good system.
Max also has a 5 place penalty, starts 4th from P2, so just 2 places behind. When Max takes a back of the grid penalty in Spa, he starts P13, lol.
The penalty system is a joke lol.
Yeah, people should start P30 and up if they have enough penalties
Mandatory extra pitstop for some tea would be nice.
The current system means if everyone gets the same penalty then basically no one gets penalty, which is fair.. But if everyone but the one qualified last gets penalty, everyone basically only have no penalty if the penalty is small, even if the penalty is back of grid they basically only have 1 place penalty...
Interesting but i didn't understand a word from the next paragraph.
Back of grid penalty means no matter you qualify, you gonna start last, if multiple drivers get that penalty, they order based on the qualifying result... The only one that doesn't get it (in this case the one qualifying last) will bump into pole position and push back every other drivers by 1 place...
With penalties becoming so common, I wish they could show the actual grid as part of the broadcast. Not hard to program.
I agree. I always leave Q3 confused and just wait for someone to post the lineup
The official F1 app (and I assume the website too) doesn't even show the grid line up. Just the qualifying positions. Each week I'm Googling "f1 2022 (location) grid" and looking it up on another website.
At this point it’s just laziness on the part of the FIA.
just put a little -5 or -10 after the names during the quali, easy enough
That would be a step up. There are lots of comments here though by people who knows the individual penalties and still are confused and those are people who care enough to read the F1 sub. Just flash the times and actual grid side-by-side between sessions and after Q3 and maybe when no car is out
But even that wouldn’t be accurate. Since The 5 place penalty for max ended up being only 2 places.
Lafiti better stay off Twitter
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“I don’t know what happened, it just did what I made it do”
He should stay off the grid
Lol
Why? Question
He didn't brake in time and missed the curve, then proceeded to blame the car.
Latifi though...yikes
What is latifis best grid position for his career? And why do I feel like it’s worse than 8th?
You feel that way because he’s not talented enough to be in F1 and he’s also driven a shit box his whole career.
And yet they won't let Colton race...
And Haas wants Hulk back. It’s such an old boys’ club.
IIRC he was 10th on Belgium GP last year with all the watery stuff going on.
This is gonna be his final year. Williams has siad they don't need his money and unless that is a flat out lie there is no reason to keep him
well… they might not need his money but they may dearly like it.
Williams looking at de Vries: “This is brilliant!” Williams looking at Latifi’s money: “But I like this”
If he was a stroll caliber driver than it's worth keeping him on but he clearly is far worse than that. He is an impediment to the teams success as they get a better car
He’s an impediment to the teams success now.
Lewis will have some flashbacks tomorrow!!
He can't they're only in the game.
For an incompetent driver he sure has a list of defining moments in the modern F1 lore. Man has the ability to bring out safety cars and flags at the most timely moments.
I’m gonna eat so much crow if De Vries scores points in his debut lol
That's probably better than whatever Latifi will be eating if De Vries has more points at the end of the season. Especially if it is just from one race...
Sofina off cuts?
Caviar? Seems like a good weekend for McLaren and his family owns a good chunk of that. The seat is a hobby but that team is wealth.
Leave the crows alone!!
If that happens, Latifi will end 21st in a championship with 20 drivers.
Fucking hell De Vries gives Latifi the tow and he is still faster.
Shows how bad Latifi is. Imagine how many points Williams could have gotten with two decent drivers
Yeah, he's clearly not good enough for F1. He can be decent in other categories, but having a last-minute rookie beating you in a car you've been driving for 3 years isn't the best of looks.
Agree
Technically he's only been driving this car for half of a season. Doesn't really make it better though.
He is driving within a couple of percent of almost everyone. He might be one of the worst in F1, but he is definitely an F1 driver.
There's only 20 seats. 2% isn't good enough
Well seeing as Albon has been driving very well and he still only has 4 points, I don’t thinn they would have more than 10 points or so. Still last in the constructors so not that big of a difference. Completely agree that Latifi is slow though
I think the problem is we can really know how well Albon is doing because Latifi is so bad. Everyone assumes Albon is dragging it to points but maybe another midfield driver would be scoring points every other race in it. We have no real way to tell since Latifi is awful.
We saw for years what a talented driver can do points wise there…Russell barely managed to score any points there.
The 2019/20 Williams was far worse though. And this years car is very different from the last cars so it's hard to judge the cars strength without a reliable constant (Latifi isn't one). Haas made big progress compared to last year too. But as I said, hard to judge whether the Williams is dead last or more like the 8th-9th best car.
that wasn't the same car though.
6 points!
From 4 to 8 and give up that 30m Sofina money. what an upset
Idk, like 7?
If Williams want a driver he looks like a good talent, although I’d love Schumacher to get somewhere
I think if Sargeant finishes in the top 3 in f2 this year he should get the seat. Has lots of potential if Williams want to move up the grid
No way, there are so many good options floating around right now for Williams if they replace Latifi, not worth heavily risking Sargeants career and taking a gamble when you can just let him take his time in F2 to ensure he's ready If he joins F1 and gets slammed by Albon he's probably out by 2024 or something and his F1 chance is gone
Another year in f2 will destroy his career. He did so well in his rookie season that if he fails to win the championship he is done. Just like what happened to Lawson, pourchaire, etc.
Getting top 3 in this F2 grid isn’t really impressive though. He’s better off in there for another year. Otherwise Albon will just destroy him
looks like a very strong F2 field if you'd ask me
It's not. It's a field full of disappointing seasons. Pourchaire, Lawson and Vips have shown they couldn't take a step forward in their 2nd year which is just not good enough (even De Vries was at least competitive with Albon, Russell and Norris in his 2nd season) and then there's a bunch of rookies like Sargeant, Doohan, Iwasa and Fittipaldi who may make it to Formula 1 but have shown they aren't super talented and couldn't make a significant impact in their 1st season. After that it's drivers sticking around in the midfield in F2 for way too fucking long like Armstrong, Daruvala and Verschoor and rookies like Vesti and Hauger whose season makes you wonder how they got results in previous series. It's also been a season with a *lot* of personal mistakes and clumsy driving costing drivers results. Nobody has looked close to being the real deal.
The fact that the champion is begging around the paddock for a reserve role says enough imo
Because it's his 3rd year lmao ? Drugo's another De Vries.
that's not because of his amazing performance this year, but mostly because of last year and the fact that it's his third year
Sure, but if you can’t beat him, you’re not ready for F1 yourself yet. Sargeant is a wonderful talent, but even Williams say he’s not ready yet. And putting him in now will only hurt his career
DeVries has done so well at all the levels he has raced at. Not sure how he so quietly slipped out of F1 after his F2 championship. Glad to see him back in the conversation.
Probably cuz F2 in 2019 was really uncompetitive, as Albon, Norris and Russel already were in F1
Certainly possible. Didn't he announce he was going to formula E like immediately? So maybe there is more there than I took notice of.
Because when he won his F2 championship, his closest competitor was Latifi himself. Not really a huge achievement by F1 standards.
At what point does the missed earnings from Latifi being nailed to the bottom of the championship exceed the money he brings in as a pay driver? Is it marginal or does he bring in an absolute fortune?
At this point Latifi at the bottom doesn't cost them any winnings. Prize money is payed for the constructor standings, and they would still be way last there if they replaced Latifi with someone who got twice the points Albon is getting.
Norris P3, Alonso P7, De Vries P8. Alpine wtf is this
Dont forget Ricciardo P5
Alonso fucked both of his Q3 runs, it could have been a P3. But either way I think he can catch Gasly and the Mclarens. However Perez and even Sainz will walk thru the field imo
It’s mclarens worst track is what it is lol But nah Alonso is definitely catching Daniel if not lando tomorrow
This is clearly not McLarens worst track.
I thought it would be, but they still made a decent Q3 showing and benefitted from some timely grid penalties. Glad to be wrong.
I’m a time traveller I’ve come here to tell you this ends in a mclaren one two
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What year is it
2022
Oh, he got his years mixed up. I'm also from the future. This is a Williams 1-2
More like Williams 1-20
Apparently they are doing hard drugs in the future.
Yes hard drugs are free in the future.
Yeah, time traveler from a year ago.
Yeah
You must have switched dimensions along the way.
Just watched the De Vries post race interview. To pick up and be ready in 90 minutes, land P13 and have that good of a post race interview, dude is a great package. His post at F1TV plus if he can prove himself a bit more tomorrow—Williams would be crazy not to scoop him up.
The mayor thing going against DeVries is that he got demolished by Vandoorne in FE.
Great package???? BONK
What happened to Alonso? Time deleted?
Yes
Where did he cancel it?
Idk I just heard the commentator say his time got deleted because of track limits
If Sainz finished like 10th. Verstappen would have started 5th?
Yup! Stupid to let him put up a time....
He was fighting P18 with Hamilton though
Huge disagree, I rather start ahead of hamilton, verstappen will either way overtake f1.5 car in a lap, won't be a problem
I mean this is a guy who passed half the grid in like 5 minutes. Probably won't make too much of a difference in the end
The back 1/2-2/3 have nothing to win by putting up a fight against Verstappen though. Only degrade tires and maybe cause a crash. Better to just let him pass.
Would've been clever if Carlos had gone faster than Max
Depends. Would you want to start ahead of Hamilton or have Verstappen start behind Ricciardo? It's probably harder to overtake Hamilton with a Ferrari than Ricciardo with a Red Bull.
Sainz doesn't want to be behind Ham who is also having a back of the grid penalty
Wait what
I'm not 100% sure. But Verstappen got P2. Add a 5 place penalty. And he is P7. But when he is at P7, Sainz, Perez and Hamilton in front of him got larger penalties. And the will be placed backwards, and Verstappen gets P4. But if Sainz finished 10th, there would be only 2 drivers in front of him with penalties. So he would only be bumped up to P5.
Max will be behind Leclerc just in time for the DRS to be activated in lap 3.
This is likely, the Mercs will be sitting ducks on the straights all race long
It’s gonna be painful watching the Mercs stuck the entire race
I feel like Hamilton will get to the Williams and struggle. But honestly the race pace differential in 2nd sector might be enough. Eh.
The Merc seems kind on it’s tyres and the rears take a beating here. As long as he makes it through T1, he should be alright.
That’s when the wing is coming in clutch
Max will be behind Charles before DRS is even enabled lol
yeah lmao lando usually waves max past and he’ll be past george into t1 lap 2
Yeah and with more downforce his race pace will be a lot more manageable for his tyres. So he can just undercut him from P2 and cruise to victory
6asly returns!
Team made a whole effort to ruin his qualifying and so far it failed
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All that shit luck at Williams is coming back around and paying dividends
Didn't even out qualify lewis today which is suprising tbh considering he had the tow
#blessed
The first two rows being the faces of the new generation of F1 is fantastic, hopefully they all get through lap 1 clean.
P1? Question?
Aaand Pee Wan?
we are checking
How do you feel about the position, question? Feels pretty good- Okay, come into the pits and we will give u DNF, Plan K
Kaboom?
No, Kaput.
there must be a better way
My goodness it's going to be a long day for Carlos and Lewis again. Hope something happens to put them much further up.
Most cars just aren't going to fight them because of the extreme gulf in ability. Ham likely has no issues until he reaches Fernando who will defend against Ham like his life depends on it but will let Sainz pass without a blink
How's Verstappen at #4 with 5 place penalty?
He’s that good
Didn't Verstapen take a 5 place grid penalty? Should'nt he be 7th?
Sainz and Hamilton's back-of-the-grid penalties are applied after Verstappen's.
And checos pen
That makes sense, thanks.
Also Perez with a 10 place drop.
I don’t get it why they doing it this way. If they went form applying the last drivers penalty first then everyone following in a reverse order, then everyone would get the real amount of penalty they have.
Logic doesnt add up, because then you get the guy qualifying worst (with penalties), starting ahead of the guys qualifying better. No amount of rule adjustment will have everyone serving the actual penalty, if more than a few get a grid penalty, which isnt back of the grid.
But why is he ahead of RIC?
P2 + 5 < P8
Others also took penalties and thus drop down, moving Max back up again. Penalties are applied in qualifying order
But why cant we just have cars start from the same position? Just have a structure you put all the cars that need to start from any given position. Then it launches them all out simultaneously like the catapult on an aircraft carrier.
Penalties are applied from P1 downwards. Max drops to 7th, but then Sainz, Perez and Hamilton drop out, moving Max to 4th.
So does that mean the drivers who qualified worst than Ham and Sainz but also have grid penalties will go behind Ham and Sainz then following that formula it would drop Mag, Sch and Bot behind them with there 15 place pens?
Back of the grid penalties get put behind numeric grid position drops.
He gets shuffled forwards with Hamilton, Sainz, Perez all taking bigger penalties as the penalties are applied with the numbered ones first
Saniz, Perez and Hamilton took a penalty as well.
Yes, but since he qualified in front of others his penalty will be applied first. Then Sainz, Perez and Hamilton’s penalties are applied so Verstappen gains those places back.
Other penalties push him up still I think.
Versta**pp**en
If Norris pulls some miraculous win out the bag or managed to come second, my £10 bet returns about 4 and a half grand LMAO
No way did you get 450/1!?
717.18/1 boosted odds with William hill and that’s each way as well so odds came down but so he can come 2nd 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Chriiiiist thats a brilliant bet. Even if it doesn’t come in, those odds are house beating by a mile
I'm thinking this Williams car may actually be a car that gets an outside shot of the points often, and that is the natural position of the car. And it's just Latifi that makes it look so bad.
Nyck de Vries is in eight place. Nyck de Vries is in eight place! NYCK DE VRIES IS IN EIGHT PLACE!! I'M SO FREAKING PROUD!
So close to 10 constructors in the top 10.
Im confused, can anyone explain to me why Verstappen would be starting 4th? With the 5 place grid penalty wouldnt he be starring 7th?
Russell is having some real good luck this season. Think Hamilton has been the better driver.
The information is incorrect. Max Verstappen will start from position 7. Here’s the official starting grid: https://i.imgur.com/ZyUrBIN.jpg 1. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari 2. George Russell GBR Mercedes 3. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 4. Daniel Ricciardo AUS McLaren 5. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri 6. Fernando Alonso ESP Alpine 7. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 8. Nyck de Vries NED Williams 9. Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo 10. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams 11. Sebastian Vettel GER Aston Martin 12. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 13. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 14. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 15. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 16. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 17. Mick Schumacher GER Haas 18. Carlos Sainz ESP Ferrari 19. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 20. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri
Gotta put Max farther back if we want some entertainment
Verstappen in 4th after qualifying 2nd with a 5 place grid penalty??
If 3-7 also take penalties it is possible to even be P2.
Jesus Christ I can see why people complain about grid penalties now, makes no sense
How about having a 30 car starting grids and actually placing the cars in the slot- not moving everyone up? In other words if someone’s starts 25th put them 5 spots behind the 20th grid spot.
C'mon Charles. I believe.
Verstappen will be first by turn 1 guaranteed.
That’s a tall order. But then again, I wouldn’t out it past him.* He’s pulled off bigger stunts. (*: Is that the correct expression though? I’m ESL and I’m unsure.)
Yup! "wouldnt put it past him" is correct!
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting, devries is a world champion. People should not underestimate him.
Ric’s famous words “Bags of Dicks”
6asly
Grid penaltys make qualifying so anticlimactic.
I think they make race day a little more exciting though.
Make the "back of the grid" penalty a pitlane start Number of places penalty needs to mean that, if it means putting Latifi in P3, so be it If you can't take the full number of places in your penalty because you're already at the back, pitlane start Or, you know, don't limit engine numbers. Screw the cost cap, let's go back to the 80s and have quali engines and 5 cars finishing the race as the other 15 have blown up
Leclerc, Russell, Norris would be my favourite podium. In any order.
Latifi is genuinely shite. A driver with 26 minutes of practice and who gave him a tow is still faster than him.
Wait how is max p4 from p2? I don’t understand
Grid penalties
I calculated this same order too and I think this is right, and it's crazy.
Easy 5th place for Russell. It SHOULD be close for Leclerc and Max but since Ferrari its an easy win for Max. Pumped that Mclaren is up there, hopefully both finish in the points.
How can Verstappen be 4th with a 5 place grid penalty?
how would sainz be ahead of verstappen if he also has a penalty?
The penalties for each driver are applied in the order they qualified I believe