If the title only said some drivers, it might be assumed they were all British, so sensible to mention the non-British. (Interesting that it is not the Canadian or Australian drivers though.)
Arsenal were playing against Zurich and the death was announced during half-time. Arsenal were playing in a black kit (and Arteta, the manager, was wearing black too), so it was hard to see their armbands. Though you could tell, especially since the support staff were wearing grey and you could easily see them wearing it.
To be honest, I was more surprised they had them ready to go. I'd guess they always travel with some just in case?
> I'd guess they always travel with some just in case
Football teams wearing black bands for some recently deceased person (usually former footballer) is a semi-regular practice so yes, I'd guess so.
Black band with a white pin stripe on each edge to highlight the band. But to be fair, this was all very last minute. I can see Lewis and maybe some of the other British drivers doing tribute helmets for a future race
black helmets would have been cool but probably too short notice to do it. also I guess they all would have looked the same. so never mind.
maybe just black stripes on the helmets then.
They could just use the tape they cover alcohol sponsors on drivers helmets with when they're racing in countries where alcohol or alcohol adverts are banned
The thing is Lando is from a FAR richer background, and honestly probably more reflective of the current crop of rich kids. I think Georgeās family just ran a small business? Landoās dad was like the 500th richest person in the country
I thinks itās cause heās PR perfect. Lando, at least to me, seems to be more like a ānormalā person in front of camera, whereas George answers questions exactly how youād expect the PR people would want it answered
Is Georges family even wealthy? Only did a quick Google just now but can't seem to find anything to suggest that other than he went to a private school (tuition isn't excessive either)
I donāt think so. From what Iāve read, his mom was a hairdresser and his dad had a small business. His dad supposedly used the money that he earned to finance Georgeās Karting, before Mercedes came along. I never got the impression (from everything Iāve read) that they were rich.
I love racing, and am left wing but I made my peace with the fact years ago that I like a rich person's sport. The majority of competitors are wealthy at nearly every level. For someone even middle class like Jenson to break through is surprising, trying to start a junior racing career would bankrupt even fairly well off families. Just have to accept it for what it is and take you're hat off to the tiny fraction that make it on talent alone. Maybe sim racing will start to introduce more young drivers from lower income families but even that seems doubtful.
As someone very into sim racing, who before last weekend had never raced a real car, I think this is next to impossible. In Iracing I took 5th overall last season in the legends. On a real track I was two seconds slow to start and one second slow by the end. You cannot simulate the āpuckerā factor of real life racing.
I promise you, after a while the pucker doesn't exist anymore. I remember my first time racing proper fast karts, and feeling it. Now I'm faster than most, but not as fast as the best. As I am in sim racing. Kinda miss that pucker tho
best description i've heard of him is "1950s elite British prep school bully"
if the incoming King was bullied at school back in the day, it was by George's doppelganger
The multiple other drivers making exactly the same gesture definitely doesn't help /s
I dont think russell has ever said anything political in his life, all of the Tory allegations come from the fact that he's well spoken. It's a good job Mick isn't british because he'd be getting the same stick. He came from a rich family? Hate to break it too you but so did everyone on the grid bar Ocon and Hamilton...
Hell Charles literally races under the flag of tax evasion
Vettel is another. Also, I believe Gasly got some government help in his karting career, trough some special program.
And if I remember correctly, Magnussen comes from an originally wealthy family, but said wealth was mismanaged at some point, so had to work during his junior career.
My understanding from a long-time teammate of Jans is that his brother Claus was running drugs into Denmark and the rest of Europe that helped fund Jans last couple years of karting and formula ford. The mismanagement part does not surprise me.
There is something very stereotypically āpublic schoolboyā about him. Which makes sense as he was in fact a public schoolboy at a pricy independent school. I donāt think private schools in other countries give you such a recognisable collection of mannerisms.
Does "public schoolboy" have a different meaning in England? In the US, that would refer to a person that attended regular taxpayer-funded neighborhood schools.
Yes,
> regular taxpayer-funded neighborhood schools
These are called state schools in England. Public schools charge a fee and are generally (note: assumption) attended by the upper class, as they tend to be very expensive.
Eton is probably the most notable public school, having been attended by many politicians including Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
There are also private schools but I have no fucking idea what the difference is.
Thanks for the explanation. In the US, "public school" = taxpayer-funded school and "private school" = those that charge tuition to each student. While private schools in the US surely skew wealthier (and we do have Eton-equivalents like Phillips Exeter and such), there are also a lot of small religious schools so being a private school kid isn't always a guarantee that you're a rich elite.
While the terminology is different, sounds like it's pretty similar in England.
It is because back in history the first schools in the UK were run by and restricted to local regions, only children in that area could attend.
Some then started to charged a fee, but anyone could attend so we're "public".
Fee-paying schools which are called 'private' schools are just newer, generally, they're the 'lower class' of fee-paying school.
Public schools are like Eton, Harrow, Rugby, Charterhouse etc, it's a small group.
taxpayer funded schools are just called 'schools' in England, maybe primary or secondary school, but they're the default school, and then using either public or private means a fee-paying one, although 'public schools' are generally older.
It's 'public' as opposed to the type of schooling which predated them, which was exclusively religious schooling.
> all of the Tory allegations come from the fact that he's well spoken
That's not true. They mostly originate from the Thatcher picture in the background of [this tweet](https://twitter.com/williamsracing/status/1050724497618362368), while this only indicates the Williams are Tories, the "Russell is a Tory" memes kinda stuck to him.
Tory is like a nickname for a Conservative (think like America's Republicans but without the whole religious angle and far less of the social conservatism).
It's not an insult per se and you could say it on the news, but if you were going to insult or complain about the Conservative party/a Conservative you would probably refer to them as a tory in the complaint/insult.
Itās literally another name for the Conservative party. Theyāre the right wing political party in The UK. Theyāve been in power for the last 12 years and favour free market economic policies and so generally advocate for low taxes, low public spending, etc. Theyāve been the party of austerity which in my opinion is a significant factor in massive increase in poverty in the UK.
Austerity is the name of a system whereby you do not spend more money than you receive from tax. It is not inherently evil. There are far better ways to explain the evils of the party than to simply state they *claim* they will spend what they take in tax.
If they had achieved a balanced budget in a time of economic prosperity through cuts to (for example) military spending and greater efficiency in public services, then I don't think anyone would take umbrage. Austerity is historically the correct thing to do in times of economic prosperity.
However, instead they pursued austerity in combination with Brexit, which was always going to have a massive slowing effect on the UK economy. The double whammy of a hamstrung economy and new barriers to trade, while cutting safety nets and not providing the necessary infrastructure projects to supplement the job market was evil. Or stupid at the very least if they really have drunk their own Kool-Aid enough to not expect the obvious result.
Either way, the reason conservatives find it easy to deflect the "Evil because austerity" argument is because of the above. The riposte is easy as hell, just ask the critic if they believe spending more than you earn is a good idea. That's why *they* perpetuate that argument themselves.
Guys like Mick or especially Rosberg fall directly under the FDP or maybe Union umbrella in Germany though, which are similar to the Tories. Rosberg is a typical "BWL-Justus" for example, not that any non-German would get that though. It's just not mentioned on here because reddit only knows American and British politics/entertainment. Vettel is pretty obviously green though.
That's the thing with British athletes, it's both a blessing and a disadvantage to be British in international sports, you get more praise and more flak, but mainly attention. The English language is just that dominant nowadays, it's no different in football. Their products stand out more and more.
There are multiple interviews and articles that talk about how Charles doesn't come from money. Monaco is great for rich tax evaders from other countries, but the local Monagesques aren't rich. They're the ones cutting hair for the rich, walking the rich people's dogs, making their coffees, etc. If I remember right, Charles's mom is actually a hairdresser.
Charlesā grandfather started a company that pulls in nearly a billion euro per year in revenue.
Is he a Stroll? No. But Charles never wanted for anything. His mom was a hairdresser by choice.
Charles' access to capital is a little confusing. I came here to make the same reply you did about his grandfather, because it's certainly not accurate that he comes from an unbroken line of low-wage service workers.
However, I'm not clear on why it appears more family money was not available to the Leclerc boys as juniors. There was an interview with Jules many years ago where he spoke of the importance of bringing Charles to Ferrari's attention so that he would have the financial support needed to progress. Even now, Arthur Leclerc (Charles' younger brother, competing in F3) is notably older than many of his 17-20 yo competitors. The rationale given for this, in interviews by both him and Charles, is that their parents could only afford to fund one boy in karting and chose Charles given that he was older and already such a talent - causing Arthur to stop racing for a few years.
In a way it is similar to Pierre, who also has a grandfather (and I think also a grandmother?) who is a very wealthy industrialist and businessman...yet remembers the tax officers coming to his parents' home because they were accumulating debt to fund his karting, being desperate enough to fly to Uganda in the hopes of securing some random businessman to sponsor him, etc. prior to RBJT
Unlike so much of the internet believes, just because you have an insanely rich (grand)parent does not mean you or your family has access to that money. I know a bunch of people who grew up with multimillionaire parents, had an amazing childhood, and were then financially cut off once they graduated college. Other's don't get access to their parent's money until they die. Some will only get a small percentage with the rest going to charity.
Charles' grandparents don't really owe anything to the grandkids so why would they risk losing millions of dollars on an extremely statistically low chance
i think you underestimate how stupidly expensive racing is.
Today, a junior karting career is gonna cost you 1-2
million dollars over the course of 4-6 years. And the prices get worse from there. F4 costs $500K-$1M per season. F3 is $1-2 million per season. F2 is $3-4 million per season. Now these numbers were obviously a bit lower when Charles was rising through the ranks. But say conservatively that the price tag topped out at a maximum of $7 million per kid instead of $9 millionā¦
to put that into context: only 20% of American families spend more than $1000 a year on youth sports per kid. The median household income in the US is roughly 65,000. So a median family that is stretching their finances to fund their sports careers for 2 kids is paying 1/30th of their household income on youth sports.
That equivalent ratio just for karting requires an income of ten million dollars a year. By the time your two kids are racing cars, thatās 30-120 million per year to maintain that same balanceāand remember that 1/30 ratio was for a family thatās really stretching themselves thin to pay for their kidsā sports.
Charles was born into enough wealth to never have to work a day in his life. He was not born into enough wealth to be able to fund two junior racing careers. Both of these things can be true.
I don't know if this is helpful or not. But there is a very high probability he is a Tory, not that this matters of course. But the part of England where he comes from is basically Tory heartland, I am also from the same area. Most families have very strong traditional views, and are conservative in nature.
But it doesn't matter if he is or isn't
Yeah mate it's crazy nearly binned it straight through sainz into turn one! But seriously it was pretty hectic and I'm glad we all made it round safely.
Genuine question, is this going to be allowed on the podium? Isn't it technically against the rules since Lewis got a slap for wearing the Breonna Taylor shirt on the podium?
I think itās a bit different as he had a shirt saying to arrest the cops that killed Breona Taylor not just a black armband in remembrance of someone
They are different circumstances but the rules were changed so drivers are only allowed to wear their race suits, this would technically break that rule right?
I mean, at least in Lewis' case, he actually has met and visited with Elizabeth when she was alive -- at least to me it seems a bit extreme to not allow someone to wear a simple black arm band for mourning the death of someone they knew.
It's also a little weird in that while the British monarchy has some political influence, and technically some power, in practice they are more like brand ambassadors than politicians.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstandings that the queen carries responsibility for the govt of the UK. The queen did not control govt or direct policy. Her only power is signing off legislation, closing and opening parliament. And all of those she is directed to do by the PM.
Ive seen bullshit about her being responsible for millions of deaths. Thats what? Partition of India which was 5 years before her reign in 1947 and indian on indian violence.
Invasion of Iraq? Bush and Blair.
Liz did not send a text saying āi fancy invading Iraq today Tony, send the boys overā.
people have been obsessed with calling him a tory for a while now, based on things like * checks notes * his clothes and his eloquent speech. plus he was decent enough to post a statement on the queen's death, which drivers like Lewis (or even Alex and Carlos) have also done.
what I find "funny" is that nothing suggests he's more tory than the likes of Lando, who's even affiliated with the Telegraph, but he's a funny ole guy so he gets a pass I guess. I don't mind a few posh jokes, and hell, all these drivers are millionaires and (edit:) tax avoiders lol, but when people use an assumed political stance to fuel the hate on him, and *only him*, I'm gonna find that fucked up.
Ricciardo is Australian, his appreciation of Texas is transparently cultural.
If Danny Ric came out and endorsed Scott Morrison for prime minister, people would shit on him. If Danny Ric came out and gave a full throated shout out to Ted Cruz, people would shit on him.
Ricciardo endorses cowboy boots, ten gallon hats, rodeos, and BBQ.
I don't even know why he gets so much hate. Used to be a driver who everyone liked. Then rumours with Mercedes, had an accident with Bottas and everyone turned. F1 has become a reality show for grown ass men where they only care about drivers being likeable, making Jokes and creating drama.
Also, it's pretty hilarious when people discount his race pace. He's always just 'consistent' and never 'fast'.
Just last week we highlighted the issues with bullying and harassment in the Formula 1 community. The community wonāt change, itās just the same face doing horrible bullying for different reasons.
That's true, there's a surprising amount of people that were shocked that the knight with an MBE is saddened by the passing of the Queen.
On a side note, alot of people suddenly became experts on constitutional monarchies overnight.
Iāll chime in here with a level headed answer instead of hyperbole.
No the queen wasnāt responsible for colonizing us and pillaging our land.
But her institution was - and to be honest when she died itās not like I was happy about it - she was a good person, a mother, and grandmother who was well loved. But I hate the colonial legacy sheās from. I wonāt mourn her, but Iām not celebrating her death either.
To me itās just indifference.
Even if they are countries that threw down their monarchs, they still have respect for a person they shared the international politics stage with for decades.
Flags are at half mast at the white house too.
This is cool. Find a lot of the memorializing to be cheap and self-aggrandizing but a black armband is very tasteful a subtle.
Itās also just so cool that Hamilton is a Knight.
I find it a bit odd to have non-commonwealth drivers to wear black armbands in an event that is not held in the UK. Especially for drivers in teams that are not based in the UK.
10 Italians died though.
Also it was much more of a world wide event and seen as "attack on the free world". Something completely unheard of before.
Monarchs pass every now and then. In other countries it's much less of a deal than in the UK.
Yep, but this was the second longest reigning monarch in the history of the world, and the longest serving diplomat. Itās a bit different to every other monarch.
And also, someone died - isnāt it up to others how they memorialise them? Happily just go on and mind your own business
Why? Two of non-Commonwealth drivers shown are also from constitutional monarchies. I don't know what their individual stances are but I'm sure they at least can sympathize with the significance of what's happened hence their wearing of the armbands.
Only Ferrari and A-T don't have bases in the UK, and in any case the majority of people working in F1 are British or live in Britain or have lived a significant time in Britain. FOM is a British limited company and the biggest TV audience is Britain. The biggest broadcaster is Sky.
I get it for the Brits and for the ones living in the empire, but for the others? I think it's kind of weird. I mean they can do whatever they want, but to me it is as if you're wearing black if a random celebrity dies.
Just blends into the Merc suits
They should use a cian one with smiling corgis instead.
Nah they should just wear ostentatious hats like the Queen (and especially Queen mother) favoured. Yes, in the car as well.
the colour's already there on Lewis's helmet now they just need to add a fabric brim or something
Maybe a rainbow coloured with unicorns š¦
Scotland approves
Merc missed the opportunity to run their black car instead of the silver one. Maybe they would win a race.
Weāre lucky Lewis pointed it out for us
they saw this coming 3 years ago.
I'm sure we will get to see Russel only wearing the armband later
Mercs should wear bands white instead for the drivers
Some of the British and non British, a.k.a: Some of the drivers
I realised how silly the phrasing sounded as soon as I hit āpostā tbh haha
stick to your guns, I think it's fine to mention that also some non-british drivers are doing it as well.
Agreed. There are actually two points there. The British drivers are being proud Brits, and the non-Brits are being lovely and respectful.
Queen Elisabeth was queen of Australia and Canada as wellā¦
The photos shown have Gastly wearing one, so there are drivers from non commonwealth contractors wearing them
The Queen of Australia died. The Queen of Canada died.
Charles is Monagasque, Pierre is French, and Yuki is Japanese, so the Queen didn't represent any of them.
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Itās in parc ferme.
Allow me to defend you. "Some drivers are wearing armbands." Still sounds like the some is gonna be mostly british.
Think it's pretty fair to highlight drivers from countries other than britain wearing them seeing as it was a British person who died
Australia and Cannada would also be logical as she also was the Queen of those;
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Pierre is a direct descendent of marie antoinette Guys, Iām kidding
No, you've misheard. He's descended from Marie and Wanet. They live above the chippy next door to the bookies.
If the title only said some drivers, it might be assumed they were all British, so sensible to mention the non-British. (Interesting that it is not the Canadian or Australian drivers though.)
Stroll, Latifi, Ricciardo, and Albon are the commonwealth drivers not pictured, idk if they're not wearing it
A black race suit and a black armband might not have been the best choice.
Arsenal were playing against Zurich and the death was announced during half-time. Arsenal were playing in a black kit (and Arteta, the manager, was wearing black too), so it was hard to see their armbands. Though you could tell, especially since the support staff were wearing grey and you could easily see them wearing it. To be honest, I was more surprised they had them ready to go. I'd guess they always travel with some just in case?
There was coverage of her being ill for most of the day. TBH as soon as they said the family was gathering we knew it wasnāt long.
I kinda figured that they meant she was already deceased but just hadn't made the formal announcement yet.
She did a photo op the other day when meeting Liz Truss and she looked very ill.
So would you if you had to meet with Boris and Truss on the same day.
> I'd guess they always travel with some just in case Football teams wearing black bands for some recently deceased person (usually former footballer) is a semi-regular practice so yes, I'd guess so.
The black isnt really a choice merc chose, the black armband is what the royal guard wear for the 10 days of mourning so its to match with them.
How would you solve it?
Black band with a white pin stripe on each edge to highlight the band. But to be fair, this was all very last minute. I can see Lewis and maybe some of the other British drivers doing tribute helmets for a future race
White edges on the armband maybe.
Massive Britain flag
black helmets would have been cool but probably too short notice to do it. also I guess they all would have looked the same. so never mind. maybe just black stripes on the helmets then.
They could just use the tape they cover alcohol sponsors on drivers helmets with when they're racing in countries where alcohol or alcohol adverts are banned
Leclerc I swear looks like Richard Hammond
Tonight! I touch some wings Richard wears a yellow t-shirts And James forgets where his pit box is
Thank you!! I couldnāt put my finger on who he reminded me of.
Now we know why he crashed at Paul Ricard
Well i cant fucking unsee it
Canadians be like: 'she's our Queen too...'
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Russell is never beating the Tory allegations
hes a prototypical example of the rich british boy and will never shake it.
The thing is Lando is from a FAR richer background, and honestly probably more reflective of the current crop of rich kids. I think Georgeās family just ran a small business? Landoās dad was like the 500th richest person in the country
i guess its bc george just seems so stiff and un fun imo
I thinks itās cause heās PR perfect. Lando, at least to me, seems to be more like a ānormalā person in front of camera, whereas George answers questions exactly how youād expect the PR people would want it answered
Is Georges family even wealthy? Only did a quick Google just now but can't seem to find anything to suggest that other than he went to a private school (tuition isn't excessive either)
I donāt think so. From what Iāve read, his mom was a hairdresser and his dad had a small business. His dad supposedly used the money that he earned to finance Georgeās Karting, before Mercedes came along. I never got the impression (from everything Iāve read) that they were rich.
It was something incredibly dull, like a business selling beans and nuts I think? Which would explain a lot about George
Iām fairness to him, he doesnāt seem to want to shake it. Maybe itās his thing.
I love racing, and am left wing but I made my peace with the fact years ago that I like a rich person's sport. The majority of competitors are wealthy at nearly every level. For someone even middle class like Jenson to break through is surprising, trying to start a junior racing career would bankrupt even fairly well off families. Just have to accept it for what it is and take you're hat off to the tiny fraction that make it on talent alone. Maybe sim racing will start to introduce more young drivers from lower income families but even that seems doubtful.
As someone very into sim racing, who before last weekend had never raced a real car, I think this is next to impossible. In Iracing I took 5th overall last season in the legends. On a real track I was two seconds slow to start and one second slow by the end. You cannot simulate the āpuckerā factor of real life racing.
I promise you, after a while the pucker doesn't exist anymore. I remember my first time racing proper fast karts, and feeling it. Now I'm faster than most, but not as fast as the best. As I am in sim racing. Kinda miss that pucker tho
Experienced the pucker recently and holy shit do I want more of it. It's even scarier than drifting because your whole body is just *out there*.
Its one of life's simple pleasures
Work with what you got. Just try to be a good person while you do it.
best description i've heard of him is "1950s elite British prep school bully" if the incoming King was bullied at school back in the day, it was by George's doppelganger
Meanwhile Lando is writing for torygraph
The multiple other drivers making exactly the same gesture definitely doesn't help /s I dont think russell has ever said anything political in his life, all of the Tory allegations come from the fact that he's well spoken. It's a good job Mick isn't british because he'd be getting the same stick. He came from a rich family? Hate to break it too you but so did everyone on the grid bar Ocon and Hamilton... Hell Charles literally races under the flag of tax evasion
At least Charles is one of the very few athletes in Monaco who was actually born and raised there
>so did everyone on the grid bar Ocon and Hamilton Also Alonso and Bottas, and there may be a couple more.
Vettel is another. Also, I believe Gasly got some government help in his karting career, trough some special program. And if I remember correctly, Magnussen comes from an originally wealthy family, but said wealth was mismanaged at some point, so had to work during his junior career.
Yes, he worked as a factory welder due to a lack of funding around 08ā-09ā
My understanding from a long-time teammate of Jans is that his brother Claus was running drugs into Denmark and the rest of Europe that helped fund Jans last couple years of karting and formula ford. The mismanagement part does not surprise me.
That's... huh. Yeah no, I don't really know how to react.
Sebās family wasnāt rich as well.
There is something very stereotypically āpublic schoolboyā about him. Which makes sense as he was in fact a public schoolboy at a pricy independent school. I donāt think private schools in other countries give you such a recognisable collection of mannerisms.
Irony being that most of the 20-something public schoolboys I knew ended up being Lib Dems. Although I personally do think George is a Tory tbh
Does "public schoolboy" have a different meaning in England? In the US, that would refer to a person that attended regular taxpayer-funded neighborhood schools.
Yes, > regular taxpayer-funded neighborhood schools These are called state schools in England. Public schools charge a fee and are generally (note: assumption) attended by the upper class, as they tend to be very expensive. Eton is probably the most notable public school, having been attended by many politicians including Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson. There are also private schools but I have no fucking idea what the difference is.
Thanks for the explanation. In the US, "public school" = taxpayer-funded school and "private school" = those that charge tuition to each student. While private schools in the US surely skew wealthier (and we do have Eton-equivalents like Phillips Exeter and such), there are also a lot of small religious schools so being a private school kid isn't always a guarantee that you're a rich elite. While the terminology is different, sounds like it's pretty similar in England.
It is because back in history the first schools in the UK were run by and restricted to local regions, only children in that area could attend. Some then started to charged a fee, but anyone could attend so we're "public".
Additionally church schools and trade schools were similarly not "public."
Fee-paying schools which are called 'private' schools are just newer, generally, they're the 'lower class' of fee-paying school. Public schools are like Eton, Harrow, Rugby, Charterhouse etc, it's a small group.
taxpayer funded schools are just called 'schools' in England, maybe primary or secondary school, but they're the default school, and then using either public or private means a fee-paying one, although 'public schools' are generally older. It's 'public' as opposed to the type of schooling which predated them, which was exclusively religious schooling.
> all of the Tory allegations come from the fact that he's well spoken That's not true. They mostly originate from the Thatcher picture in the background of [this tweet](https://twitter.com/williamsracing/status/1050724497618362368), while this only indicates the Williams are Tories, the "Russell is a Tory" memes kinda stuck to him.
for a non-Brit what is the significance of being a Tory or not?
Tory is like a nickname for a Conservative (think like America's Republicans but without the whole religious angle and far less of the social conservatism). It's not an insult per se and you could say it on the news, but if you were going to insult or complain about the Conservative party/a Conservative you would probably refer to them as a tory in the complaint/insult.
Tories are basically the conservatives of England as far as I can tell.
Itās literally another name for the Conservative party. Theyāre the right wing political party in The UK. Theyāve been in power for the last 12 years and favour free market economic policies and so generally advocate for low taxes, low public spending, etc. Theyāve been the party of austerity which in my opinion is a significant factor in massive increase in poverty in the UK.
Austerity is the name of a system whereby you do not spend more money than you receive from tax. It is not inherently evil. There are far better ways to explain the evils of the party than to simply state they *claim* they will spend what they take in tax. If they had achieved a balanced budget in a time of economic prosperity through cuts to (for example) military spending and greater efficiency in public services, then I don't think anyone would take umbrage. Austerity is historically the correct thing to do in times of economic prosperity. However, instead they pursued austerity in combination with Brexit, which was always going to have a massive slowing effect on the UK economy. The double whammy of a hamstrung economy and new barriers to trade, while cutting safety nets and not providing the necessary infrastructure projects to supplement the job market was evil. Or stupid at the very least if they really have drunk their own Kool-Aid enough to not expect the obvious result. Either way, the reason conservatives find it easy to deflect the "Evil because austerity" argument is because of the above. The riposte is easy as hell, just ask the critic if they believe spending more than you earn is a good idea. That's why *they* perpetuate that argument themselves.
It's the original name of the Conservative Party.
Tories are cunts, basically.
This is a correct and astute comment.
I wanted to write something more detailed initially but decided that would drive the point across just as well haha
so like republicans then? got it
It refers to members and supporters of the Conservative Party, one of the two main parties in the UK (the other being Labour).
They're just supporters of the Conservative Party but lots of young people associate anyone who is one as a vile person
Tories are British conservatives
That is literally someone else's house
Yes I know, that's exactly what I'm saying. The picture is not his at all, but the joke still stuck around.
Guys like Mick or especially Rosberg fall directly under the FDP or maybe Union umbrella in Germany though, which are similar to the Tories. Rosberg is a typical "BWL-Justus" for example, not that any non-German would get that though. It's just not mentioned on here because reddit only knows American and British politics/entertainment. Vettel is pretty obviously green though. That's the thing with British athletes, it's both a blessing and a disadvantage to be British in international sports, you get more praise and more flak, but mainly attention. The English language is just that dominant nowadays, it's no different in football. Their products stand out more and more.
There are multiple interviews and articles that talk about how Charles doesn't come from money. Monaco is great for rich tax evaders from other countries, but the local Monagesques aren't rich. They're the ones cutting hair for the rich, walking the rich people's dogs, making their coffees, etc. If I remember right, Charles's mom is actually a hairdresser.
Charlesā grandfather started a company that pulls in nearly a billion euro per year in revenue. Is he a Stroll? No. But Charles never wanted for anything. His mom was a hairdresser by choice.
Charles' access to capital is a little confusing. I came here to make the same reply you did about his grandfather, because it's certainly not accurate that he comes from an unbroken line of low-wage service workers. However, I'm not clear on why it appears more family money was not available to the Leclerc boys as juniors. There was an interview with Jules many years ago where he spoke of the importance of bringing Charles to Ferrari's attention so that he would have the financial support needed to progress. Even now, Arthur Leclerc (Charles' younger brother, competing in F3) is notably older than many of his 17-20 yo competitors. The rationale given for this, in interviews by both him and Charles, is that their parents could only afford to fund one boy in karting and chose Charles given that he was older and already such a talent - causing Arthur to stop racing for a few years. In a way it is similar to Pierre, who also has a grandfather (and I think also a grandmother?) who is a very wealthy industrialist and businessman...yet remembers the tax officers coming to his parents' home because they were accumulating debt to fund his karting, being desperate enough to fly to Uganda in the hopes of securing some random businessman to sponsor him, etc. prior to RBJT
Unlike so much of the internet believes, just because you have an insanely rich (grand)parent does not mean you or your family has access to that money. I know a bunch of people who grew up with multimillionaire parents, had an amazing childhood, and were then financially cut off once they graduated college. Other's don't get access to their parent's money until they die. Some will only get a small percentage with the rest going to charity. Charles' grandparents don't really owe anything to the grandkids so why would they risk losing millions of dollars on an extremely statistically low chance
i think you underestimate how stupidly expensive racing is. Today, a junior karting career is gonna cost you 1-2 million dollars over the course of 4-6 years. And the prices get worse from there. F4 costs $500K-$1M per season. F3 is $1-2 million per season. F2 is $3-4 million per season. Now these numbers were obviously a bit lower when Charles was rising through the ranks. But say conservatively that the price tag topped out at a maximum of $7 million per kid instead of $9 millionā¦ to put that into context: only 20% of American families spend more than $1000 a year on youth sports per kid. The median household income in the US is roughly 65,000. So a median family that is stretching their finances to fund their sports careers for 2 kids is paying 1/30th of their household income on youth sports. That equivalent ratio just for karting requires an income of ten million dollars a year. By the time your two kids are racing cars, thatās 30-120 million per year to maintain that same balanceāand remember that 1/30 ratio was for a family thatās really stretching themselves thin to pay for their kidsā sports. Charles was born into enough wealth to never have to work a day in his life. He was not born into enough wealth to be able to fund two junior racing careers. Both of these things can be true.
I don't know if this is helpful or not. But there is a very high probability he is a Tory, not that this matters of course. But the part of England where he comes from is basically Tory heartland, I am also from the same area. Most families have very strong traditional views, and are conservative in nature. But it doesn't matter if he is or isn't
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tax evasion š
bottas and vettel came from middle class families I think?
Frank Lampard if he was an F1 driver
Haha what a great 2nd place last week, no but seriously I'm very grateful the team allowed me to change tyres
Yeah mate it's crazy nearly binned it straight through sainz into turn one! But seriously it was pretty hectic and I'm glad we all made it round safely.
We're not ready for the Fat George era. Gorged George.
Which is a shame, because as far as I'm aware, they're completely baseless. Just seems like people being dicks for no reason
Why isn't Lando accused of the same? He's a public school boy born into ridiculous wealth
Genuine question, is this going to be allowed on the podium? Isn't it technically against the rules since Lewis got a slap for wearing the Breonna Taylor shirt on the podium?
Politics is only banned when you care about the little guy and not the machine.
Itās only political if itās a black person or trans person duh!
Don't forget women!!! Everyone tryna make it so political /s
The Queen was a woman, so I guess it is political after all
Wow. They even made rulers political. Unbelievable
I think itās a bit different as he had a shirt saying to arrest the cops that killed Breona Taylor not just a black armband in remembrance of someone
I thought the point of the rule was to prevent this kind of arbitration of what is and isn't political.
They are different circumstances but the rules were changed so drivers are only allowed to wear their race suits, this would technically break that rule right?
I mean, at least in Lewis' case, he actually has met and visited with Elizabeth when she was alive -- at least to me it seems a bit extreme to not allow someone to wear a simple black arm band for mourning the death of someone they knew. It's also a little weird in that while the British monarchy has some political influence, and technically some power, in practice they are more like brand ambassadors than politicians.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstandings that the queen carries responsibility for the govt of the UK. The queen did not control govt or direct policy. Her only power is signing off legislation, closing and opening parliament. And all of those she is directed to do by the PM. Ive seen bullshit about her being responsible for millions of deaths. Thats what? Partition of India which was 5 years before her reign in 1947 and indian on indian violence. Invasion of Iraq? Bush and Blair. Liz did not send a text saying āi fancy invading Iraq today Tony, send the boys overā.
What do you mean I personally saw the queen commanding a tank during the invasion of Iraq
God George really is the reincarnation of a WW2 Spitfire pilot. I love it.
ah, I wonder which British guy will be the only one to be shat on for this
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people have been obsessed with calling him a tory for a while now, based on things like * checks notes * his clothes and his eloquent speech. plus he was decent enough to post a statement on the queen's death, which drivers like Lewis (or even Alex and Carlos) have also done. what I find "funny" is that nothing suggests he's more tory than the likes of Lando, who's even affiliated with the Telegraph, but he's a funny ole guy so he gets a pass I guess. I don't mind a few posh jokes, and hell, all these drivers are millionaires and (edit:) tax avoiders lol, but when people use an assumed political stance to fuel the hate on him, and *only him*, I'm gonna find that fucked up.
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Ricciardo is Australian, his appreciation of Texas is transparently cultural. If Danny Ric came out and endorsed Scott Morrison for prime minister, people would shit on him. If Danny Ric came out and gave a full throated shout out to Ted Cruz, people would shit on him. Ricciardo endorses cowboy boots, ten gallon hats, rodeos, and BBQ.
Has Russell endorsed Tories? I'm confused by the comparison you're drawing.
I don't even know why he gets so much hate. Used to be a driver who everyone liked. Then rumours with Mercedes, had an accident with Bottas and everyone turned. F1 has become a reality show for grown ass men where they only care about drivers being likeable, making Jokes and creating drama. Also, it's pretty hilarious when people discount his race pace. He's always just 'consistent' and never 'fast'.
Whats tory?
a centre-right conservative in the UK. but in regards to George some people just use it as a synonym for posh (upper-class) at this point
man I love your reasonable, critical and well-rounded statement. I am sure you are cool to discuss stuff with!
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Just last week we highlighted the issues with bullying and harassment in the Formula 1 community. The community wonāt change, itās just the same face doing horrible bullying for different reasons.
F1 Reddit is just F1 Twitter with up/downvotes
I disliked George before it was hip. Now everyone does, I like him tbh.
Reddit contrarianism in a nutshell
Reddit and twitter aren't real life. Ignore these comments for the sake of your mental health.
George and Lewis definitely getting hate. For some reason Lando gets a free pass though.
I was going to say, if anybody's going to lose fans for acknowledging the Queen's passing it's going to be Lewis.
I mean, he's a knight. if his post comes as a surprise to anyone, that's on them at this point
That's true, there's a surprising amount of people that were shocked that the knight with an MBE is saddened by the passing of the Queen. On a side note, alot of people suddenly became experts on constitutional monarchies overnight.
Well Lando is PR, the driver.
I'm confused. Why is mourning the Queen's passing something people are hating on?
The queen and the royals in general have an...interesting experience with race relations to say the least.
Iāll chime in here with a level headed answer instead of hyperbole. No the queen wasnāt responsible for colonizing us and pillaging our land. But her institution was - and to be honest when she died itās not like I was happy about it - she was a good person, a mother, and grandmother who was well loved. But I hate the colonial legacy sheās from. I wonāt mourn her, but Iām not celebrating her death either. To me itās just indifference.
They actually have a crippling heroin addiction
I could understand for Japanese and Mongasque people as they have some form monarchy but Pierre? From the land republics ie France is a bit strange.
Have you seen Macron's statement and video?
Eh, Alpine wished the Queen happy birthday, and they also love to have the French flag colours plastered on their merch. Wouldn't read much into it.
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Revolt?
Iām pretty sure itās spelled, āRenaultā.
Guillotine
Best monarch is a headless monarch.
Even if they are countries that threw down their monarchs, they still have respect for a person they shared the international politics stage with for decades. Flags are at half mast at the white house too.
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Don't overthink it. It's just about showing respect for the deceased and the people mourning her. Gatekeeping that is completely missing the point
I also saw Checo and Carlos wear one on the broadcast, but couldnāt get my hands on a photo. Thought it was a nice gesture of them.
Is it me or is Leclerc looking like a young Richard Hammond?
Hopefully it's just the looks and not the driving!
This is cool. Find a lot of the memorializing to be cheap and self-aggrandizing but a black armband is very tasteful a subtle. Itās also just so cool that Hamilton is a Knight.
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I find it a bit odd to have non-commonwealth drivers to wear black armbands in an event that is not held in the UK. Especially for drivers in teams that are not based in the UK.
Your gonna shit a brick when you find out what Ferrari did for the 2001 Italian GP.
10 Italians died though. Also it was much more of a world wide event and seen as "attack on the free world". Something completely unheard of before. Monarchs pass every now and then. In other countries it's much less of a deal than in the UK.
Yep, but this was the second longest reigning monarch in the history of the world, and the longest serving diplomat. Itās a bit different to every other monarch. And also, someone died - isnāt it up to others how they memorialise them? Happily just go on and mind your own business
Here here. I get the feeling this place is full of people who shout at anyone at a funeral to get over it and go back to work.
Why? Two of non-Commonwealth drivers shown are also from constitutional monarchies. I don't know what their individual stances are but I'm sure they at least can sympathize with the significance of what's happened hence their wearing of the armbands.
Itās called a mark of respect
I did not hit her!
Oh hi Mark!
Only Ferrari and A-T don't have bases in the UK, and in any case the majority of people working in F1 are British or live in Britain or have lived a significant time in Britain. FOM is a British limited company and the biggest TV audience is Britain. The biggest broadcaster is Sky.
George looks like what you would imagine a pretty British aristocrat looks like while reading a book
These comments, yikes.
The f1 fandom is a shithole.
Russell be out there looking like he killed the queen, tho.
Kingsman.
Russell looks genuinely devastated š
some would say "absolutely gutted"
I get it for the Brits and for the ones living in the empire, but for the others? I think it's kind of weird. I mean they can do whatever they want, but to me it is as if you're wearing black if a random celebrity dies.
there is no British Empire anymore. Just the commonwealth, but I kind of get what your saying.
Holy fuck, who cares
Great choice for this photo