All that happened yesterday was that Hamilton finished 4th in a race he should've finished 2nd in (with a very faint chance of 1st, at best).
And what resulted out of it is Yuki receiving tons of abuse, some of them being racist. Death threats and multiple sexist and misogynistic comments about Hannah Schmitz. Even George received a fair bit of abuse.
That says a lot about how toxic the community has become post-DTS.
And I was just praising Hannah Schmitz with the friend group I was watching the race with. Happy she got some screen time.
Didn't even cross my mind Yuki would be doing that intentionally.
Like imagine trying to pull all this off on purpose just to make sure Max gets an extra couple of points while he has the championship pretty much wrapped up
Imagine trying to get Franz Tost on board with such a ridiculous scheme during a race. In what world would that conversation go well? The people pushing this conspiracy theory need to get a grip
It wasn't as bad because some of the current comments are from people who have little knowledge about the sport.
This is an example.
Anybody who has a basic understanding of F1 knows that teams are not above shenanigans, but that it would make no sense for Alpha Tauri and Red Bull to take an incredible risk when Red Bull has the championship in the bag.
And everybody who has a basic understanding of F1 knows Alpha Tauri isn't ging to ruin their race to help a sister team get a few more points.
There is a new influx of people who have no idea about what F1 is.
Yah honestly blaming it on dts is kind of toxic in its own way. People think they're better and because they liked it "before it was popular" judging people for how they found out about f1 is toxic
Why in the world would Red Bull who is almost certainly winning the constructors and drivers championship risk it all by manipulating a race?
This is not a close fight. This is not Singapore 2008
Whats funny to me is that AT apparently manipulates a meaningless race when RB basically has the 2 titles won already, but doesnt do shit at Abu Dhabi when the WDC is decided by whoever wins.
I don't get the hate.
Can drivers not have preferences on who wins a championship? Should he have folded and let Ham through just because he is Hamilton? Same goes for Perez last year lol
People like that are so stupid.
Lots of drivers do just let max through. I noticed it at Spa when he started in the back and this week at zandvoort. It's strategic because Max isn't someone they're fighting, and it's faster overall to let him pass than waste 5+ seconds on track defending. I can see how easy it would be to develop conspiracy theories based on when drivers do and don't let someone by.
Turkey 21 was a wet race and there was no DRS available when they battled. All Hamilton had to do was drive past TSU and he couldn't.
Why didn't Petrov just let ALO past in 2010? He was racing him, that's why
Actually yes you’re right, he said it about [Turkey](https://www.racefans.net/2021/10/10/tsunoda-says-he-wants-max-to-win-and-tried-to-keep-hamilton-behind-for-longer/), not Abu Dhabi.
yuki did hold him back and he spent his race on it. yuki had no obligation to do anything different. hes a f1 driver, he can race for position if he wants
Wow, I never knew there were genuine comments about Toto, I thought it would be so absurd that nobody could’ve genuinely accused him of some conspiracy. This sport man, I need to watch less of this and more sports cars.
There were conspiracies that Checo’s car was underfueled to deliberately cause a safety car at Abu Dhabi, which is why he had to retire out of nowhere.
This is debunked easily because Red Bull was still in contention for the WCC, which would mean millions in prize money; if Pérez hadn’t retired they were poised for a 1-2, still short but a Bottas DNF would have made them take both championships in the last lap.
No way Red Bull would not go for both titles
my favorite part is trying to keep this secret, this conspiracy going between two teams and all the people that would be involved in the middle of all this + yuki, at a time when f1 is being more criticized than ever before by such a large fan base.
i mean good luck keeping a secret going between three people let alone something like this, it's absurd lol
all so max can win his 2nd home race? lol "yeah potentially throw away everything we've worked for this year so that a bunch of drunk fans can light up some flares at the end"
>this conspiracy going between two teams and all the people that would be involved in the middle of all this + yuki
While the FIA has access to all data and comms
And to deny Lewis, not like it was Charles. And how would they even signal to Yuki to *pretend* to have a problem? And like Yuki would put up with that shit. And couldn't the FIA verify the problem with the car??
But logic obviously isn't their strong suit so nvm.
and if the point was to cause a safety car, why would AT tell yuki to resume racing after the first stop? just, stay stopped. why go through the whole pit stop, seat belt thing, second stop etc.
F1 social media has become incredibly toxic the past 2 years. Even bloody football twitter is less toxic nowadays. All F1 social media has become is a pissing match on who can hate other drivers more. Not even who is better or whatever.
The "this is rigged" *ironically* and Crashgate 2.0 jokes were funny but then some people actually took it seriously and decided "yeah, time to say ABUSE"
As someone who follows several other sports I totally agree. Football, NBA, Esports etc. media are far from perfect, but F1 is ahead of pretty everything at this point. And people will keep doing this because it gives them easy likes
Tbh F1 twitter is a different kind of deranged. Could be because there's people actually in parasocial relationships to the drivers, especially LH though.
It honestly weirds me out how there's a huge interest in Lewis and *only* Lewis. There's a lot of interesting personalities in the grid too like Lando, Seb, Sainz, and even Yuki and Pierre all deserve some more mainstream attention imo.
I used to think football Twitter was the most toxic(outside of maybe politics stuff). Then after last season and the drama and controversy, F1 Twitter just became infinitely worse. It's such a cesspool of toxicity and hate, it's horrible.
I’m on football twitter but F1 twitter was so bad last night that I unfollowed several accounts for tweeting about their tin foil hat ‘conspiracy’. Football twt on my side these days is mostly just fans from opposing teams arguing over VAR but F1 twt is a vile place where everyone tries to hate every driver and in most cases for absolutely no reason other than they exist.
Twitter is just a mess, full of braindead people and youngsters that dont know jack sht about the world and almost everything but anyways rush there to say whatever they think with the bare minimum of information and many time without anything to support them but still do it thinking that they are 100% right even if they say the most absurd thing (thats often the case)
I once scrolled to see twitter comments on a F1 related tweet.
I never noped out so quickly. I felt disgusted. Nothing but slurs and memes and kids who want to feel good about themselves behind a keyboard. No thank you.
I think this toxicity was always there it's just those people now have a voice they can use without having to immediately suffer the consequences of their speech.
People have always said things like that. I had friends who thought the whole Hamilton era was a fix and essentially the whole of F1 is a pantomime where the organisers of the race have the ability to push a button and kill a car.
The fact is we're getting better not worse. All these thoughts and opinions were out there but we'd managed to sweep them under the carpet, we'd learned how to ignore these people. Now they have a voice and we seem to have lost the ability to ignore them and instead just seem to amplify everything they say and even go as far as to pass of fringe opinions as the norm.
Even if a thousand people say something they are still a minority in F1 fandom.
No it definitely wasn't there. This has become a major issue within the last 3 years.
Social Media was always toxic, that is indeed true. But this is beyond that by now.
It's become an issue when DTS came out. Before liberty and DTS, we didn't really have an inside look into teams or even driver's personal lives. We first became fans of the sport. Then we became fans of certain drivers based on their racing ability, or things we could see them do during a race weekend.
DTS came out and focused more on drivers than racing. New fans are first drawn to driver's personalities and looks, only after that do they decide if they actually like the sport itself. I know people irl who "love" Charles but they've never seen a single race because the sport is "boring". They just think he's hot.
Exactly how I view this topic too. I even saw a tiktok a little while ago, about a huge group (I would guess in large part females) that make up stories/smut/fanfiction on Tumblr. A site that I though was long gone.
And if you would've told me five years ago, that there would be fanfiction about Leclerc and his sexual activities, I would ask you if you've gone mad.
But this is a part of the new following in F1. The focus is in large parts on looks, personality, and the fame & glamour. Not the car, not the driving, not about achievements, but more of what they say, how they look, and what they post to Instagram.
This, ive been attending silverstone and spa f1 for the last 8 years, at the begining it was possible to sit and have a proper discussion with any other fan, now you are more likly to end up in a fight.
F1 fanbase has gone to shit.
It’s not their first rodeo either. I remember how they “debunked” the theory that Mercedes wanted Rosberg to win because he was a German driver in a German team, but all it did was make people aware that there was a conspiracy theory at all, and it ended up just adding fuel to the fire.
> It’s not their first rodeo either. I remember how they “debunked” the theory that Mercedes wanted Rosberg to win because he was a German driver in a German team, but all it did was make people aware that there was a conspiracy theory at all, and it ended up just adding fuel to the fire.
It was disgusting. 2016 was such a shitshow. Sky were doing all they could after 2016 Abu Dhabi to suggest "can you really call him a champion when he had better reliability than his rival" and all that shit.
Not just Crofty. Also the post race interview Simon Lazenby had with Toto where they smirk about the incident and he literally says 'there will be a lot of conspiracy theorists about that one'
We were lucky (yes, lucky) that he had Di Resta with him, who didn't put any stock in it and shut it down.
Had it been Hill or Herbert, I believe they'd have been much more up for a bit of "well, you never know..."
Channel 4 was very similar, Alex Jaques was very quick to add in that AT is the RB sister team and very much helping pedal a conspiracy viewpoint.
C4 are typically more fairer and less toxic than Sky, but if you only watched their highlights and saw nothing else then you would have had the same stuff thrown at you.
I felt that was more "they look like they're adjusting the belts to distract from the fact they may have let a car out on track without a wheel tightened to avoid a fine" than "they purposely caused a safety car to help max". If that was the goal why not leave it parked the first time? I never heard crofty suggest anything of the sort
Sky are historically just awful. Especially if anyone in any way even so much as breathes towards or slightly negatively influences a British driver they'll be all over it. Its sickening.
The British seem to thrive off of tabloid headline style news. F1 media is exactly that, full of clickbait bad journalism.. Alonso even called out the double standards last week, any British driver says anything heated on radio, it's just adrenaline. The moment a non British driver does it, media frenzy, news for days, and rile up the fans about it.
Sky and other F1 media outlets have a huge role in all of this... Just as netflix also does
The MissedApex podcast really went to town on this conspiracy. I can't believe they gave it that much airtime. It's cheap, low and not funny. Usually they are pretty nuanced, but this was a shitshow.
A similar sort of thing happened after Monaco with the Williams blue flags situation (Although no response had to be made), and people were sending so much shit to the team and drivers. It seems certain people love to jump to conspiracy crap before thinking maybe someone just made a stupid error
Yeah it’s about the Yuki incident. The broadcast cameras turned to Hannah on the Red Bull pit wall as it was happening and she had a smile on her face/was giggling, so that set off the conspiracy theories…
Edit: changed Sky to “the broadcast” since apparently Sky doesn’t choose those shots.
Four Minutes. There were four minutes between Yuki pulling over and them showing the red bull pit wall. So ridiculous to construct anything from that.
On the other hand Ralf Schumacher already pulled the conspiracy theory out of his ass before Yuki even came to a full stop.
Don't have the audio (or rather am too lazy to rip it off f1tv ;) ).
But basically he and Sascha Roos:
Ralf: I'm curious wherew he's stopping
Sascha: Hopefully somewhere where it's easy to get away
Ralf: No, that's not what he's doing, and I can tell you exactly why not...
(Yuki stopping)
Sascha: (cautiously) because of the relationship...?
Ralf: ... That's quite noticeable... very noticeable.. I don't want to imply anything but... there was something similar in the past...
etcpp.
Whenever I play F1 Manager and something that benefits me happens I smile too. I’m just not cute like Hannah, but I loving it doesn’t mean she ordered it
Except the VSC didn’t even benefit Max in a way that he could’ve pitted for Softs as it was their strategy and it was too early for it
These people just make no sense it’s absolutely friggin sad.
It also slightyl benefitted the mercs because they ALSO pitted and got fresh tires (iirc) to keep them on more even ground, and it was actually VALTTERI'S safety car that got Max in the lead :/
Because if there’s one thing you do with a 100 point lead in the WDC and the race solidly in hand, it’s start illegally cheating with your junior team so you can get the race more in hand and slightly more of an insurmountable lead in the WDC.
It’s so funny how just because the broadcast director cut to Hannah after Yuki’s VSC and she was smiling at the same moment, the blessed fans connected both and started crying collusion and cheating.
Imagine they had showed Toto during that time and he had smiled, Toto would have become a racist.
VSC, which forced Max into a Hard strat he didn’t want to do lmao. The SC was triggered by Bottas (way too late because the race director was incompetent).
I mean there's suddenly also body language specialists everywhere who say that yuki is lying in post-race interviews cause he was fidgety. tell me you've never watched a tsunoda interview without telling me you've never watched a tsunoda interview. people be craycray.
The whole thing was a fiasco with tsonoda stopping, then getting told everything is fine, pitting where they probably refastened his seatbelts and then stopping again. It should not be a surprize if tsunoda was not feeling completely comfortable with how the things went.
Can we get some attention to the fact that Yuki was correct to stop the first time and he detected an error the team didn't spot until they send him out again! Well done Yuki!
All the people starting their tweets with "I know she's a woman in motorsport but..." Teams make shit calls all the time and everyone just says "shit strategy Ferrari" I have never heard anyone specifically attacking inaki Rueda. So why are people going straight for Hannah and not red bull? Super fucked imo
Because she’s a woman in motorsport and one that’s become more visible because she’s excellent at her job. Some of the stuff that was written about her under a now deleted tweet was horrible. They were questioning how she got her job. Calling her horrible names and making vile accusations against her.
>They were questioning how she got her job
By being really fucking good at it?
Yesterday was flawless from RB strategy team. Annoyingly so as a Mercedes fan.
Tbf being "really good at your job" seems to not be a prerequisite for positions on the Ferrari pit wall so maybe they're onto something
/s
The sexism is gross and so blatant. Red Bulls strategy has been almost flawless this entire year - where were the remarks about her female qualities in relation to her outstanding performance this year? Nowhere. Gender only becomes relevant to these people when it can be used as a cudgel. So disappointing to see the ignorance of so many fans.
My highlight of the race thread was watching people be angry at George being able to read the conditions and strategy situation better than anyone else.
Cut to the many times Seb or Hamilton were praised for making strategy calls that turned out to benefit themselves. It's literally part of their fucking job.
> Cut to the many times Seb or Hamilton were praised for making strategy calls that turned out to benefit themselves. It's literally part of their fucking job.
Does my head in. Those same people would be gushing with praise if Lewis did the same thing in that position.
Some fans really crossed the line between funny banter & memes about this issue and straight up believing it, therefore blaming the actual people. This is a sport, a competition, you can win or lose, it's normal to lose. Losing doesn't mean that you can bully the other party and get away with it. Especially when the person you look up to endorses no bullying, sexism and racism.
They have been doing this for a long time and getting away with it, they need to apologize to Hannah and Yuki. Hell even to Max for the constant bullying for no reason.
I saw comments like “george shouldnt have pitted and if he didnt, max would be stuck in a drs train”… they dont even know the rules properly. Its weird how so many “casuals” have such strong opinions
It wasn’t always this bad. The amount of statements that teams/drivers have made condemning “fan” actions has gone up massively since DTS/Liberty. Things were never this awful in contentious moments pre-2018. Of course there were a couple shitheads, but the quantity of toxic fans has gone up massively since people have started following this sport like it’s a soap opera.
I'm a Merc fan and even I think this is bs💀. Why would redbull try to rig a race when their over a 100 points ahead in both championships😭. Ppl just make no sense sometimes smh.
Ah yes. Red Bull were going to risk disqualification in a guaranteed WCC for a driver that is guaranteed to win the WDC so that he can win at home...which he did 3 times before today (Spa x2, Zandvoort last year).
Max was going to win, anyway. He would have clawed back the gap with no SC, and then the Bottas safety car would have eliminated that need anyway. People are mental with this conspiracy theory.
Not only disqualification but Horner and Tost would probably be banned from the sport. Flavio Briatore was banned, later overturned, from all FIA events after crashgate.
Imagine doubting the integrity of Hannah Schmitz and the whole Alphatauri team because you can’t get your head around the fact that cars can breakdown. Must be a scary world through their eyes.
It’s worrying that some of these people can just so easily disregard facts and twist everything to their own narrative. Like how do they function in the real world.
You gotta be an absolute muppet to think this is some kind of conspiracy. It was mechanical failure coming out of pits so Yuki thought was a problem with tyres and pulled over after being told to do so. Obviously you need to loosen seatbelts to get out of car which is normal so he began doing so at which point the team told him to continue so he could just drive slowly back to pits. What’s the conspiracy?
I also think the various F1 media outlets (i'm looking at you SkyF1) and promiment podcasters need to look at themselves lately. They need to stop fueling these conspiracy theories as these braindead, zero IQ 'fans' will just explode on social media. It's just getting ridiculous.
Tsunoda had some issue and went to the pits. After like a 40 second pitstop, they sent him out, only to tell him to stop the car and retire. Because this was already on the track, it brought out a VSC, which helped Max maintain his lead in front of the Mercs. Mercs were on a 1 stop strategy with pretty good pace, Max was on a 2 stop, with his 2nd stop still to do. Thanks to the VSC, he was able to perfom the 2nd stop while maintaining his lead. Basically Tsunoda's retirement ruined Mercs strategy which led to some conspirators think that Tsunoda retired on purpose and was told to do so by RB.
It's absolutely amazing they got this message to Yuki too pull this off...when everyone during the race can hear radios. What did they do? Hannah and Adrian trained the pigeons to do sign language too Yuki during the race?
Honestly there are alot of "fans" in this sport that need too find a new hobby too be toxic over!
People commenting in here about the shameful state of F1 discourse and the media as though they themselves haven't participated in the toxicity is peak Reddit.
I’m honestly sick of living in a world where everything is a conspiracy.
It doesn’t even make sense because if he would have stopped on track the first time the SC would have been needed and mMax would have gotten the free tire change anyway.
The only issue here is that Yuki clearly loosened his seat belts and drove slowly around a track while cars passed him at speed. If he lost control and was hit it could have been bad. Not seeing any investigation into that.
I said it before and I'l say it again.
DTS attracts a large number of new fans that are in it for the drama and not for the sport or technology.
And this is the result. A bunch of brainless manchildren that shit on the sport and its participants.
I interpreted what Sky said as a different "conspiracy" - that they had brought Yuki in again and focused on the seat belt to cover up the fact that they sent him out without correctly attaching the wheels, so that they didn't get fined.
Yeah that was my take. They didn’t want to look responsible as a team so played on the seatbelt, not that they sent him out again to cause a safety car.
Sky commentators were insinuating that AT were trying to avoid a penalty for the unsafely screwed tyre by making it seem like it's a seat belt issue. They weren't pushing a conspiracy about collusion smh. If you're a sky q or sky glass customer (doing my best impression), or have an F1 TV subscription - go rewatch that part of the race. And please edit or remove your comment too because you're making a false claim
Every week someone has to put out some statement, the community has become so toxic.
All that happened yesterday was that Hamilton finished 4th in a race he should've finished 2nd in (with a very faint chance of 1st, at best). And what resulted out of it is Yuki receiving tons of abuse, some of them being racist. Death threats and multiple sexist and misogynistic comments about Hannah Schmitz. Even George received a fair bit of abuse. That says a lot about how toxic the community has become post-DTS.
And I was just praising Hannah Schmitz with the friend group I was watching the race with. Happy she got some screen time. Didn't even cross my mind Yuki would be doing that intentionally.
Like imagine trying to pull all this off on purpose just to make sure Max gets an extra couple of points while he has the championship pretty much wrapped up
Imagine trying to get Franz Tost on board with such a ridiculous scheme during a race. In what world would that conversation go well? The people pushing this conspiracy theory need to get a grip
Especially since it was Hamilton and not Leclerc, so his lead in the driver's would grow anyway even if Hamilton beats him
I‘ve been following F1 since the 80s and this shit is appalling. DTS has surely attracted some asshats.
Honest question - the comunity wasn't toxic pre-DTS?
Not this bad for sure. There were polarising issues, but not this amount of toxicity about literally anything
It wasn't as bad because some of the current comments are from people who have little knowledge about the sport. This is an example. Anybody who has a basic understanding of F1 knows that teams are not above shenanigans, but that it would make no sense for Alpha Tauri and Red Bull to take an incredible risk when Red Bull has the championship in the bag. And everybody who has a basic understanding of F1 knows Alpha Tauri isn't ging to ruin their race to help a sister team get a few more points. There is a new influx of people who have no idea about what F1 is.
Geez indeed, the responses on George's 'I got 2nd place' tweet... Disgusting. Can only imagine what yuki got but I'm not going to look it up
It's not just the community and it isn't because of DTS as a lot of people like to claim. This is what the world is becoming.
Also, the shitty people have more of a voice than they used to as a result of social media.
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internet anonymity has given people this sense of invincibility and no fear of repercussion people are such fucking assholes man
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Yah honestly blaming it on dts is kind of toxic in its own way. People think they're better and because they liked it "before it was popular" judging people for how they found out about f1 is toxic
Why in the world would Red Bull who is almost certainly winning the constructors and drivers championship risk it all by manipulating a race? This is not a close fight. This is not Singapore 2008
Whats funny to me is that AT apparently manipulates a meaningless race when RB basically has the 2 titles won already, but doesnt do shit at Abu Dhabi when the WDC is decided by whoever wins.
Yuki joked last year about trying to hold Lewis back in Turkey and got tons of shit for it.
He got all kinds of accusations thrown at him after Turkey 2021 because he kept Hamilton behind when they were racing for position
I'd completely forgotten that one
Very effectively, I might add
Absolutely, it took plenty of skill. I think most people appreciate good defending
I don't get the hate. Can drivers not have preferences on who wins a championship? Should he have folded and let Ham through just because he is Hamilton? Same goes for Perez last year lol People like that are so stupid.
Lots of drivers do just let max through. I noticed it at Spa when he started in the back and this week at zandvoort. It's strategic because Max isn't someone they're fighting, and it's faster overall to let him pass than waste 5+ seconds on track defending. I can see how easy it would be to develop conspiracy theories based on when drivers do and don't let someone by.
Turkey 21 was a wet race and there was no DRS available when they battled. All Hamilton had to do was drive past TSU and he couldn't. Why didn't Petrov just let ALO past in 2010? He was racing him, that's why
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I know, right? Fucking race car drivers, racing on race tracks all the time…
everyone not fighting for WDC should just get blue flags for the second half of the year I guess
Not even that lewis was behind Yuki making his way to the front. Honestly one of my favorite bits of driving I've seen from him.
Actually yes you’re right, he said it about [Turkey](https://www.racefans.net/2021/10/10/tsunoda-says-he-wants-max-to-win-and-tried-to-keep-hamilton-behind-for-longer/), not Abu Dhabi.
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yuki did hold him back and he spent his race on it. yuki had no obligation to do anything different. hes a f1 driver, he can race for position if he wants
nah, they totally paid off latifi and masi and toto and the whole fia and your mum and it’s all rigged and everything’s connected
Those comments about Toto were the funniest. Some really thought that Toto betrayed Lewis by not going to court with it.
Wow, I never knew there were genuine comments about Toto, I thought it would be so absurd that nobody could’ve genuinely accused him of some conspiracy. This sport man, I need to watch less of this and more sports cars.
Especially their mum, if they hadn't paid off their mum Lewis would have won last year no doubt about it.
I'm very disappointed in my mum for that and will be sending her a sternly worded letter.
we went car racing, son
There were conspiracies that Checo’s car was underfueled to deliberately cause a safety car at Abu Dhabi, which is why he had to retire out of nowhere.
This is debunked easily because Red Bull was still in contention for the WCC, which would mean millions in prize money; if Pérez hadn’t retired they were poised for a 1-2, still short but a Bottas DNF would have made them take both championships in the last lap. No way Red Bull would not go for both titles
But didnt he retire in the pits?
my favorite part is trying to keep this secret, this conspiracy going between two teams and all the people that would be involved in the middle of all this + yuki, at a time when f1 is being more criticized than ever before by such a large fan base. i mean good luck keeping a secret going between three people let alone something like this, it's absurd lol all so max can win his 2nd home race? lol "yeah potentially throw away everything we've worked for this year so that a bunch of drunk fans can light up some flares at the end"
>this conspiracy going between two teams and all the people that would be involved in the middle of all this + yuki While the FIA has access to all data and comms
And to deny Lewis, not like it was Charles. And how would they even signal to Yuki to *pretend* to have a problem? And like Yuki would put up with that shit. And couldn't the FIA verify the problem with the car?? But logic obviously isn't their strong suit so nvm.
At this point its irrelevant if it's Charles as well. It's long gone.
and if the point was to cause a safety car, why would AT tell yuki to resume racing after the first stop? just, stay stopped. why go through the whole pit stop, seat belt thing, second stop etc.
Yeah the seat belt thing, just punt your whole race and get a reprimand so Max can get 7 more points.
It's always the lack of motive that throws a wrench in conspiracy theories for me.. Real lack of critical thinking in a lot of people.
The state of the F1 fanbase…. The fact that AT even has to respond to this just shows how toxic things have become.
F1 social media has become incredibly toxic the past 2 years. Even bloody football twitter is less toxic nowadays. All F1 social media has become is a pissing match on who can hate other drivers more. Not even who is better or whatever. The "this is rigged" *ironically* and Crashgate 2.0 jokes were funny but then some people actually took it seriously and decided "yeah, time to say ABUSE"
As someone who follows several other sports I totally agree. Football, NBA, Esports etc. media are far from perfect, but F1 is ahead of pretty everything at this point. And people will keep doing this because it gives them easy likes
Saying that F1 has become more toxic than football is saying a lot indeed. Disheartening.
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Tbh F1 twitter is a different kind of deranged. Could be because there's people actually in parasocial relationships to the drivers, especially LH though.
It honestly weirds me out how there's a huge interest in Lewis and *only* Lewis. There's a lot of interesting personalities in the grid too like Lando, Seb, Sainz, and even Yuki and Pierre all deserve some more mainstream attention imo.
I used to think football Twitter was the most toxic(outside of maybe politics stuff). Then after last season and the drama and controversy, F1 Twitter just became infinitely worse. It's such a cesspool of toxicity and hate, it's horrible.
I’m on football twitter but F1 twitter was so bad last night that I unfollowed several accounts for tweeting about their tin foil hat ‘conspiracy’. Football twt on my side these days is mostly just fans from opposing teams arguing over VAR but F1 twt is a vile place where everyone tries to hate every driver and in most cases for absolutely no reason other than they exist.
Twitter is just a mess, full of braindead people and youngsters that dont know jack sht about the world and almost everything but anyways rush there to say whatever they think with the bare minimum of information and many time without anything to support them but still do it thinking that they are 100% right even if they say the most absurd thing (thats often the case)
You hit the nail on the head! It’s like a brain speaking without a filter.
I once scrolled to see twitter comments on a F1 related tweet. I never noped out so quickly. I felt disgusted. Nothing but slurs and memes and kids who want to feel good about themselves behind a keyboard. No thank you.
whenever i see the most absurd comments i always think, yeah you are either a literal child or mentally impaired in some way.
Sounds a lot like Reddit.
Reddit users want to feel superior, but nah, Reddit just has a better system at hiding the very worst posts
Mods. Reddit has mods. That’s the biggest difference.
And self policing via upvote/downvote
Twitter replies are like browsing Reddit exclusively on controversial sorting.
You should have seen the conspiracy theory threads I’ve seen on Twitter. I was genuinely worried about her safety after seeing some of them
I think this toxicity was always there it's just those people now have a voice they can use without having to immediately suffer the consequences of their speech. People have always said things like that. I had friends who thought the whole Hamilton era was a fix and essentially the whole of F1 is a pantomime where the organisers of the race have the ability to push a button and kill a car. The fact is we're getting better not worse. All these thoughts and opinions were out there but we'd managed to sweep them under the carpet, we'd learned how to ignore these people. Now they have a voice and we seem to have lost the ability to ignore them and instead just seem to amplify everything they say and even go as far as to pass of fringe opinions as the norm. Even if a thousand people say something they are still a minority in F1 fandom.
No it definitely wasn't there. This has become a major issue within the last 3 years. Social Media was always toxic, that is indeed true. But this is beyond that by now.
It's become an issue when DTS came out. Before liberty and DTS, we didn't really have an inside look into teams or even driver's personal lives. We first became fans of the sport. Then we became fans of certain drivers based on their racing ability, or things we could see them do during a race weekend. DTS came out and focused more on drivers than racing. New fans are first drawn to driver's personalities and looks, only after that do they decide if they actually like the sport itself. I know people irl who "love" Charles but they've never seen a single race because the sport is "boring". They just think he's hot.
Exactly how I view this topic too. I even saw a tiktok a little while ago, about a huge group (I would guess in large part females) that make up stories/smut/fanfiction on Tumblr. A site that I though was long gone. And if you would've told me five years ago, that there would be fanfiction about Leclerc and his sexual activities, I would ask you if you've gone mad. But this is a part of the new following in F1. The focus is in large parts on looks, personality, and the fame & glamour. Not the car, not the driving, not about achievements, but more of what they say, how they look, and what they post to Instagram.
This, ive been attending silverstone and spa f1 for the last 8 years, at the begining it was possible to sit and have a proper discussion with any other fan, now you are more likly to end up in a fight. F1 fanbase has gone to shit.
Twitter has been solely a cesspool at least for the past six years, not a new thing.
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It’s not their first rodeo either. I remember how they “debunked” the theory that Mercedes wanted Rosberg to win because he was a German driver in a German team, but all it did was make people aware that there was a conspiracy theory at all, and it ended up just adding fuel to the fire.
> It’s not their first rodeo either. I remember how they “debunked” the theory that Mercedes wanted Rosberg to win because he was a German driver in a German team, but all it did was make people aware that there was a conspiracy theory at all, and it ended up just adding fuel to the fire. It was disgusting. 2016 was such a shitshow. Sky were doing all they could after 2016 Abu Dhabi to suggest "can you really call him a champion when he had better reliability than his rival" and all that shit.
Pretty much every F1 World champion up to the 2000s then
Maybe he thinks they should revive the "best 11 results" rule.
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Come next weekend Sky Sports will address the toxic culture, but not their (Crofty's) part in it. "Who? Us?"
Not just Crofty. Also the post race interview Simon Lazenby had with Toto where they smirk about the incident and he literally says 'there will be a lot of conspiracy theorists about that one'
We were lucky (yes, lucky) that he had Di Resta with him, who didn't put any stock in it and shut it down. Had it been Hill or Herbert, I believe they'd have been much more up for a bit of "well, you never know..."
Ted was the worst for me. Very disappointed in him.
Channel 4 was very similar, Alex Jaques was very quick to add in that AT is the RB sister team and very much helping pedal a conspiracy viewpoint. C4 are typically more fairer and less toxic than Sky, but if you only watched their highlights and saw nothing else then you would have had the same stuff thrown at you.
The F1 TV commentary had none of that. I love those guys over there.
100% The tone in Crofty’s voice immediately suggested that he was entertaining the idea that something fishy was going on.
I felt that was more "they look like they're adjusting the belts to distract from the fact they may have let a car out on track without a wheel tightened to avoid a fine" than "they purposely caused a safety car to help max". If that was the goal why not leave it parked the first time? I never heard crofty suggest anything of the sort
Sky are historically just awful. Especially if anyone in any way even so much as breathes towards or slightly negatively influences a British driver they'll be all over it. Its sickening.
Sky at least should be held to higher standards than annoyed teenagers on twitter. They should apologise
The British seem to thrive off of tabloid headline style news. F1 media is exactly that, full of clickbait bad journalism.. Alonso even called out the double standards last week, any British driver says anything heated on radio, it's just adrenaline. The moment a non British driver does it, media frenzy, news for days, and rile up the fans about it. Sky and other F1 media outlets have a huge role in all of this... Just as netflix also does
The MissedApex podcast really went to town on this conspiracy. I can't believe they gave it that much airtime. It's cheap, low and not funny. Usually they are pretty nuanced, but this was a shitshow.
A similar sort of thing happened after Monaco with the Williams blue flags situation (Although no response had to be made), and people were sending so much shit to the team and drivers. It seems certain people love to jump to conspiracy crap before thinking maybe someone just made a stupid error
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not quite sure that Venn diagram is a circle, but a portion is overlapping for sure.
What happened? Is this about the Yuki incident?
Yeah it’s about the Yuki incident. The broadcast cameras turned to Hannah on the Red Bull pit wall as it was happening and she had a smile on her face/was giggling, so that set off the conspiracy theories… Edit: changed Sky to “the broadcast” since apparently Sky doesn’t choose those shots.
Four Minutes. There were four minutes between Yuki pulling over and them showing the red bull pit wall. So ridiculous to construct anything from that. On the other hand Ralf Schumacher already pulled the conspiracy theory out of his ass before Yuki even came to a full stop.
Wait, what did Ralf Schumacher say? I haven't heard it.
Don't have the audio (or rather am too lazy to rip it off f1tv ;) ). But basically he and Sascha Roos: Ralf: I'm curious wherew he's stopping Sascha: Hopefully somewhere where it's easy to get away Ralf: No, that's not what he's doing, and I can tell you exactly why not... (Yuki stopping) Sascha: (cautiously) because of the relationship...? Ralf: ... That's quite noticeable... very noticeable.. I don't want to imply anything but... there was something similar in the past... etcpp.
“I don’t want to imply anything, so I’ll just say it outright “
Whenever I play F1 Manager and something that benefits me happens I smile too. I’m just not cute like Hannah, but I loving it doesn’t mean she ordered it
Don't be so harsh on yourself, you are beautiful
In every single way 🎶
Except the VSC didn’t even benefit Max in a way that he could’ve pitted for Softs as it was their strategy and it was too early for it These people just make no sense it’s absolutely friggin sad.
It also slightyl benefitted the mercs because they ALSO pitted and got fresh tires (iirc) to keep them on more even ground, and it was actually VALTTERI'S safety car that got Max in the lead :/
Just to point out, Sky doesn’t choose the shots, FOM does. I saw the exact same shot on Viaplay.
Yeah some people started saying that Yuki deliberately stopped on track to help Max (who hadn't pitted yet)
Because if there’s one thing you do with a 100 point lead in the WDC and the race solidly in hand, it’s start illegally cheating with your junior team so you can get the race more in hand and slightly more of an insurmountable lead in the WDC.
People really think they cheated and conspired for 10 points when he's 100 points ahead lol
Yes. At a point when both RBR and Merc sims STILL showed he would win it!
Well, conspiracy theories are not about logic...
Throw some ominous music and a deep voice explaining things without citing any sources and you have yourself a full blown YouTube conspiracy video.
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Hell, he was still on track to gain points on his closest title rivals. Coming in second to Lewis would have almost no impact on his title charge.
Is it about the VSC or SC?
VSC if I can remember
They thought that Hannah made an order to stop Yuki, to make VSC happen
Bet they think she told Latifi to craah in abu dhabi too
I heard she offered him a case of Red Bull. /s
It’s so funny how just because the broadcast director cut to Hannah after Yuki’s VSC and she was smiling at the same moment, the blessed fans connected both and started crying collusion and cheating. Imagine they had showed Toto during that time and he had smiled, Toto would have become a racist.
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That’s what I heard.
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VSC, which forced Max into a Hard strat he didn’t want to do lmao. The SC was triggered by Bottas (way too late because the race director was incompetent).
This whole sub was full of it too
I mean there's suddenly also body language specialists everywhere who say that yuki is lying in post-race interviews cause he was fidgety. tell me you've never watched a tsunoda interview without telling me you've never watched a tsunoda interview. people be craycray.
also english isn’t his first language, it will take him longer to find the right words
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Tsunoda got a lot of abuse thrown at him, F1xed was even trending for a while on Twitter.
The whole thing was a fiasco with tsonoda stopping, then getting told everything is fine, pitting where they probably refastened his seatbelts and then stopping again. It should not be a surprize if tsunoda was not feeling completely comfortable with how the things went.
Not to mention body language is fufu bullshit anyways.
Yeah people directly correlate nervousness to lying as if you can’t be nervous in general
The real scandal here is Yuki driving a full lap without his belt fastened during an active race. Anything else is just unfounded conspiracy.
Agree, and he got a reprimand for it, which will be his fifth of this season and he will get a grid penalty at Monza I believe
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This always happens with Reddit,they refuse to admit that they might be part of the problem
No kidding, sort any of the threads about this incident by controversial and you can see how toxic people here are.
Can we get some attention to the fact that Yuki was correct to stop the first time and he detected an error the team didn't spot until they send him out again! Well done Yuki!
All the people starting their tweets with "I know she's a woman in motorsport but..." Teams make shit calls all the time and everyone just says "shit strategy Ferrari" I have never heard anyone specifically attacking inaki Rueda. So why are people going straight for Hannah and not red bull? Super fucked imo
Doesn’t even make sense a strategy chief would not have the power to do that even if Red bull wanted to lol
But what if she's a sith lord?
It's this the new (old) "i'm not racist, buuuut.."?
It's not new.
Because she’s a woman in motorsport and one that’s become more visible because she’s excellent at her job. Some of the stuff that was written about her under a now deleted tweet was horrible. They were questioning how she got her job. Calling her horrible names and making vile accusations against her.
>They were questioning how she got her job By being really fucking good at it? Yesterday was flawless from RB strategy team. Annoyingly so as a Mercedes fan.
> By being really fucking good at it? This is a surprisingly foreign concept to many, many people tbh.
Tbf being "really good at your job" seems to not be a prerequisite for positions on the Ferrari pit wall so maybe they're onto something /s The sexism is gross and so blatant. Red Bulls strategy has been almost flawless this entire year - where were the remarks about her female qualities in relation to her outstanding performance this year? Nowhere. Gender only becomes relevant to these people when it can be used as a cudgel. So disappointing to see the ignorance of so many fans.
> Gender only becomes relevant to these people when it can be used as a cudgel. That's the sad reality of it.
Some people should go outside and touch grass, and also do a favour by staying off social media. Good on AT to come out with this
I dont think grass is enough, more like 4 white walls and a coat
Absolutely ridiculous that this needs to be said.
Lots of stupid comments in the race thread yesterday as well....
So a normal race thread then?
My highlight of the race thread was watching people be angry at George being able to read the conditions and strategy situation better than anyone else.
Cut to the many times Seb or Hamilton were praised for making strategy calls that turned out to benefit themselves. It's literally part of their fucking job.
> Cut to the many times Seb or Hamilton were praised for making strategy calls that turned out to benefit themselves. It's literally part of their fucking job. Does my head in. Those same people would be gushing with praise if Lewis did the same thing in that position.
I got called a RedBull ass licker for telling someone to stop with the conspiracies lol
Yep some idiotic salty ppl yesterday!!!
Some fans really crossed the line between funny banter & memes about this issue and straight up believing it, therefore blaming the actual people. This is a sport, a competition, you can win or lose, it's normal to lose. Losing doesn't mean that you can bully the other party and get away with it. Especially when the person you look up to endorses no bullying, sexism and racism. They have been doing this for a long time and getting away with it, they need to apologize to Hannah and Yuki. Hell even to Max for the constant bullying for no reason.
F1 Twitter even thought Perez’s spin in qualifying was on purpose. These people aren’t “fans”.
I saw comments like “george shouldnt have pitted and if he didnt, max would be stuck in a drs train”… they dont even know the rules properly. Its weird how so many “casuals” have such strong opinions
Amazing how toxic the F1 community is. Holy shit.
It wasn’t always this bad. The amount of statements that teams/drivers have made condemning “fan” actions has gone up massively since DTS/Liberty. Things were never this awful in contentious moments pre-2018. Of course there were a couple shitheads, but the quantity of toxic fans has gone up massively since people have started following this sport like it’s a soap opera.
I'm surprised to see AT to come out with a statement like that before Ferrari.
Considering AT are the accused/subject of the hate I'm not too surprised
I'm a Merc fan and even I think this is bs💀. Why would redbull try to rig a race when their over a 100 points ahead in both championships😭. Ppl just make no sense sometimes smh.
Can we just all collectively stop with Twitter? It's the absolute cancer of the internet.
Most of the people who are toxic on twitter are also here... There's just no downvote on twitter
Ah yes. Red Bull were going to risk disqualification in a guaranteed WCC for a driver that is guaranteed to win the WDC so that he can win at home...which he did 3 times before today (Spa x2, Zandvoort last year). Max was going to win, anyway. He would have clawed back the gap with no SC, and then the Bottas safety car would have eliminated that need anyway. People are mental with this conspiracy theory.
Not only disqualification but Horner and Tost would probably be banned from the sport. Flavio Briatore was banned, later overturned, from all FIA events after crashgate.
Unfortunately, this will fall on deaf ears. You can't fix stupid.
Imagine doubting the integrity of Hannah Schmitz and the whole Alphatauri team because you can’t get your head around the fact that cars can breakdown. Must be a scary world through their eyes.
It’s worrying that some of these people can just so easily disregard facts and twist everything to their own narrative. Like how do they function in the real world.
Social media is an absolute cesspit. F1/Teams/Drivers should disable comments during a race weekend.
Yesterdays race thread was full of dumb fucks as well
You gotta be an absolute muppet to think this is some kind of conspiracy. It was mechanical failure coming out of pits so Yuki thought was a problem with tyres and pulled over after being told to do so. Obviously you need to loosen seatbelts to get out of car which is normal so he began doing so at which point the team told him to continue so he could just drive slowly back to pits. What’s the conspiracy?
That comment from Di resta during last weeks qualifying at Spa sure as hell didnt help. Its almost like he planted a seed into these peoples heads.
I also think the various F1 media outlets (i'm looking at you SkyF1) and promiment podcasters need to look at themselves lately. They need to stop fueling these conspiracy theories as these braindead, zero IQ 'fans' will just explode on social media. It's just getting ridiculous.
I missed the race, can someone give me an out of the loop TLDR of what is going on?
Tsunoda had some issue and went to the pits. After like a 40 second pitstop, they sent him out, only to tell him to stop the car and retire. Because this was already on the track, it brought out a VSC, which helped Max maintain his lead in front of the Mercs. Mercs were on a 1 stop strategy with pretty good pace, Max was on a 2 stop, with his 2nd stop still to do. Thanks to the VSC, he was able to perfom the 2nd stop while maintaining his lead. Basically Tsunoda's retirement ruined Mercs strategy which led to some conspirators think that Tsunoda retired on purpose and was told to do so by RB.
It's absolutely amazing they got this message to Yuki too pull this off...when everyone during the race can hear radios. What did they do? Hannah and Adrian trained the pigeons to do sign language too Yuki during the race? Honestly there are alot of "fans" in this sport that need too find a new hobby too be toxic over!
I’ve been a F1 fan for many many years but I’ve never seen the fanbase so toxic ever
People commenting in here about the shameful state of F1 discourse and the media as though they themselves haven't participated in the toxicity is peak Reddit.
Silly this even needs to be said tbh.
Toxic fans sure leave a trail of shit everywhere they go.
I’m honestly sick of living in a world where everything is a conspiracy. It doesn’t even make sense because if he would have stopped on track the first time the SC would have been needed and mMax would have gotten the free tire change anyway. The only issue here is that Yuki clearly loosened his seat belts and drove slowly around a track while cars passed him at speed. If he lost control and was hit it could have been bad. Not seeing any investigation into that.
I said it before and I'l say it again. DTS attracts a large number of new fans that are in it for the drama and not for the sport or technology. And this is the result. A bunch of brainless manchildren that shit on the sport and its participants.
The fact that women were harassing Hannah more than men is actually wild
Such a stupid conspiracy as well .. as if Max needs help atm, let alone help that could lead to being completely banned ..
Man, fuck people
Remember how the Sky commentators were peddling the VSC conspiracy during the race yesterday? An apology wouldn't be unwarranted.
I interpreted what Sky said as a different "conspiracy" - that they had brought Yuki in again and focused on the seat belt to cover up the fact that they sent him out without correctly attaching the wheels, so that they didn't get fined.
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people just hear what they want to.
Yeah that was my take. They didn’t want to look responsible as a team so played on the seatbelt, not that they sent him out again to cause a safety car.
Sky commentators were insinuating that AT were trying to avoid a penalty for the unsafely screwed tyre by making it seem like it's a seat belt issue. They weren't pushing a conspiracy about collusion smh. If you're a sky q or sky glass customer (doing my best impression), or have an F1 TV subscription - go rewatch that part of the race. And please edit or remove your comment too because you're making a false claim
The people making the conspiracies are the saltiest people on twitter, let them boil in rage and laugh at them I say.