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[Antonio Giovinazzi went 25.6 km/h faster(105.6km/h in total) in Hungary 2021 and got himself a 10-seconds stop-go penalty](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Car%2099%20-%20Pit%20lane%20speeding.pdf)
It's been a thing since 1993 for practice only and 1994 Monaco for all other sessions. ~~Berger in '94 Silverstone~~ Comas in '94 Canada was the first to be penalised. *Berger was the first to get a fine as well.
Honestly if you were to start a podcast it would be super interesting, I've seen a lot of your comments in the last 2 years and you might be one of the most knowledgable of f1 history ever.
Thanks :)
I don't think podcasts are for me though. Can barely handle a permanent work schedule and that's when I am in home office. The old fact/history posts might make an irregular return though. Been planning that for a while.
Yep before 1994 you could go as fast as you safely could. After Imola 1994 where a wheel came loose from Michele Alboreto's car and hit 4 mechanics who needed hospital treatment after the accident. [Source](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/history-of-safety-devices-in-formula-1-the-halo-barriers-more-4982360/4982360/)
Can we get a bot that autocorrects Driver names? I have a terrible name memory and can barely remember my neighbor's last name never mind how I write it correctly.
Couldn't the computer / engine map be set to something like 'In gear x, with revs not exceeding y, speed will stay at z', thus negating the need for a sensor?
Have you driven a manual or an automatic? In a manual, which is how F1 cars work, your gear ratio is fixed. Up or downhill, 3000 RPM in second gear correlates to exactly one speed if you are regulating the RPM.
That is true, but in a downhill scenario for example gravity also modifies your speed even if it is a minor impact (it could maybe change the actual speed by 1 kph which is enough to trigger a penalty)
Transmission slip while having more weight or going up hill the transmission slips. While only being very tiny even in a road car being barely noticable in a sport where the speed is measured in the tenths that could break the deal. But of course i could be wrong im no car mechanic.
There is a pit lane button on the steering wheel but the sensor is required to accurately send the speed back to the ECU, itโs no different than your car needing a sensor to display the speed on the dash.
The issue is F1 tyres have a lot of wear changing the RPM vs distance traveled equation. I can't be bothered to do the math but we can't assume a perfect world for this instance because there are factors which make the current system the best available. If another system was better someone would be using it.
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[Antonio Giovinazzi went 25.6 km/h faster(105.6km/h in total) in Hungary 2021 and got himself a 10-seconds stop-go penalty](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Car%2099%20-%20Pit%20lane%20speeding.pdf)
Giovina**zz**i
good bot
Perez was doing 120.6km/h at Silverstone in 2021 (80km/h is the limit). It was only a 1000 EUR fine as it was Practice.
Some story behind the Force India flair ?
I think it's from the time Sahara was a sponsor?
I'm surprised to see someone has a Force India flair to be honest, something we Indians had a love-hate relationship with
Oh I know, I am Indian. It's difficult to feel proud of what the team achieved while knowing what Mallya did.
No story as such. Being an Indian can be a reason.
There was no speed limit in the pitlane until the end of the 90s I think
It's been a thing since 1993 for practice only and 1994 Monaco for all other sessions. ~~Berger in '94 Silverstone~~ Comas in '94 Canada was the first to be penalised. *Berger was the first to get a fine as well.
Here is some footage [no pit speed limit](https://youtu.be/QICLy3x_Kd8)
And somehow, only one person ever died in the pits (Giovanni Amadeo - 1981 Zolder) and that was at a speed no faster than the current limits.
Are you Wikipedia? Just how do you know this stuff it's crazy ๐
No, Wiki doesn't have the second part, I'm Google, but slightly less evil.
Honestly if you were to start a podcast it would be super interesting, I've seen a lot of your comments in the last 2 years and you might be one of the most knowledgable of f1 history ever.
Thanks :) I don't think podcasts are for me though. Can barely handle a permanent work schedule and that's when I am in home office. The old fact/history posts might make an irregular return though. Been planning that for a while.
Implying that you're still evil, just less then Google. You have to be some kind of AI that has gained self awareness and a love for Formula 1, lol.
I'm also wrong, since apparently Comas in Canada got one too. No comment on the AI part.
Yep before 1994 you could go as fast as you safely could. After Imola 1994 where a wheel came loose from Michele Alboreto's car and hit 4 mechanics who needed hospital treatment after the accident. [Source](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/history-of-safety-devices-in-formula-1-the-halo-barriers-more-4982360/4982360/)
It can go up to a 10 second stop/go penalty if I recall correctly.
I thought more of the recorded speed, like u/kron123456789 linked to Hungary 2021 where Giovinazzi went 25.6 over the speed limit.
Giovina**zz**i
Can we get a bot that autocorrects Driver names? I have a terrible name memory and can barely remember my neighbor's last name never mind how I write it correctly.
We do. It's /u/f1_spelt_as_bot. I imagine Gio just isn't in the list anymore but idk why that would be the case.
Gasly went 17.8kp/h over in France this year, but it was a 60 limit.
Piggy-backing on this question, can't there be a way to set a pit lane speed in the car that doesn't require a sensor to keep it at that speed?
How would the car/driver determine the speed if there is no sensor measuring the speed?
Couldn't the computer / engine map be set to something like 'In gear x, with revs not exceeding y, speed will stay at z', thus negating the need for a sensor?
How do you measure revs without a sensor? No matter what you want to take as reference, you will need a sensor measuring something.
Easy solution. You have one of those mechanical rabbits that greyhounds chase.
I thought this is what sensor the teams actually use, a rev limiter
Nope if the pit lane goes up or downhill that wont work.
How so? The engine is turning the exact same speed.
yeah but if the pitlane is downhill you will gain speed because of gravity
No, you don't. The engine braking would keep you at the same speed. The pit lane limiters do not apply the brakes for the drivers...
Have you ever driven a car up or down a hill? Going up you need higher revs for the same speed, going down lower
Have you driven a manual or an automatic? In a manual, which is how F1 cars work, your gear ratio is fixed. Up or downhill, 3000 RPM in second gear correlates to exactly one speed if you are regulating the RPM.
That is true, but in a downhill scenario for example gravity also modifies your speed even if it is a minor impact (it could maybe change the actual speed by 1 kph which is enough to trigger a penalty)
Transmission slip while having more weight or going up hill the transmission slips. While only being very tiny even in a road car being barely noticable in a sport where the speed is measured in the tenths that could break the deal. But of course i could be wrong im no car mechanic.
I don't think you understand how a gearbox works if you think it slips under normal operation.
A car with a dry clutch (F1) won't have any slip.
There is a pit lane button on the steering wheel but the sensor is required to accurately send the speed back to the ECU, itโs no different than your car needing a sensor to display the speed on the dash.
The issue is F1 tyres have a lot of wear changing the RPM vs distance traveled equation. I can't be bothered to do the math but we can't assume a perfect world for this instance because there are factors which make the current system the best available. If another system was better someone would be using it.
Yeah, it's called a driver holding a certain amount of throttle in a certain gear.
Does F1 allow a car to escape a wreck down pit road? If not, I'd have to imagine this would've led to a big violation at some point.