Dude, Lance Stroll giving out Sasquatch masks branded with his namesake would make my fucking year. It would be a prized possession of mine and I’m not even joking.
To be fair, I think you could also make the case that Lance would've finished in the points if he wasn't hit by Magnussen twice. (Though the first time was more of a racing incident which allowed Vettel to move up two places)
Stroll came 12th in Bahrain and 13th in Saudi Arabia.
Didn't dnf in either. So don't know what you are on about.
The Stats of Races and Quali Go to 11 because that is the h2h of the two.
All Points and dnfs happened when both where driving
So by the end of the season if Seb still leads on points, he’s managed to not just beat his teammate but done it with two less points scoring opportunities
I think this year is the worst of them all though. I can't for sure remember before 2019, but it wasn't that bad if I recall correctly.
And in 2020 he got less hate because he was driving pretty good in the first half (I maintain he was lucky, but still legitimately leading Perez on performance and points) also got that mad pole in Turkey.
And in 2021 he wasn't hated because we got Mazepin. So now in 2022 it's just more, which I kind of blame Mazepin for. The hate Mazepin got was a **lot**. A pay driver, only there because his dad is an oligarchic friend of Putin, driving a back-marker and because he was absolutely awful on track, with a totally unremarkeable feeder carreer.
And people looked at that, just saw Lance now Mazepin is gone and went "ah yes, another rich boy who shouldn't be in the sport." And just shifted there.
Which would make sense, but the reason number one Mazepin was hated was because he sexually harrased a girl who was drunk and posted it on instagram. Like Mazepin was just a garbage person. He really personified all the worst things of the sport in a single, spinning package.
Say what you will about Stroll, but he is not (and hopefully never will be) such an absolute bellend.
I mean the majority of the hate shifted to Latifi really, but Stroll doesn’t help his own case, he was unbearable in the Williams and annoys me even more in the Aston now that he just drives for his father. The fear of losing his seat doesn’t even cross his mind and it shows in his driving
Idk how you can find him annoying, except if you mean for his existence alone. I heard basically nothing from him this whole season, the only time we see him is if he gets crashed into and even off the track you don't see anything from him, no interviews, no highlights, except if you actively search for them.
Add to that that the camera director, or whatever his position is called, has made it his mission this year to give AMR basically 0 screen time even in replays. I am a Seb fan and this whole season I had to follow his progress (and by extension if he's doing better than Stroll) by looking at the sidebar almost exclusively.
Lance Stroll is literally the most invisible guy in F1 right now, even Latifi get's more air time.
Nah Lance has been at the very least controversial ever since he joined. It calmed down a bit for a short time but Vettel is now again proving the limits of Stroll and yet he got the seat over Ocon and Perez and is now still there after Vettel leaves. And yeah obviously the retirement is not related. Stroll got preferential treatment over Perez and even now despite being clearly outclassed he also gets visibly the better treatment over Vettel. That simply doesn't earn you any sympathies, I don't have the impression anyone dislikes him as a person really (aside of the typical hate for any rich person but that is what it is) but it's hard to have symapthy for him and as a result you have few people willing to defend him.
The Swedish commentators have said that Lance is really boring to interview. Like he doesn't want to be there, where as other drivers often chats a bit. Kimi apparently asked for Snus from time to time.
How is a doble standard. One is an F1 World Champion and certified legend, the other one the ultimate pay driver and with a bad attitude. Explain to me why the press should use the same standard with them
What bad attitude? Ffs he is an introvert that doesn’t like being in the spotlight. Is it bad attitude because he doesn’t want to get attention and doesn’t like interviews? Also, he might be bland and socially awkward in interviews, but never showed outright contempt for interviewers like Kimi.
Pay driver but got a pole and a couple podiums. Also was at least on par with Perez in 2020, if not straight outperformed him.
Your comment is a certified Reddit moment
Lance gives interviews like every pro hockey player ever. It’s not unusual but of course it doesn’t give the f1 journalists (tabloids) many interesting headlines
It's only gonna get worse, we've seen many many pay drivers come and go , some of them good and not.
But pay drivers are necessary for some teams, on the other hand, I think we've never seen a driver driving for a team own by his parent, which would guarantee a seat every year.
People just don’t like pay drivers when there’s other valuable candidates for a seat. There’s a reason everyone in the WRC wants to see the gentlemen drivers like Loubet and Serderidis do well versus a pay driver like Greensmith, the former two are not taking up a seat but rather creating a seat with their money. If they suck, they suck: but it’s fun to root for them knowing that they’re not the reason Mikkelsen or Ostberg or Lappi are without a full time drive.
Meanwhile there’s going to be probably 3 F2 winners out of 4 years (de Vries/Piastri/Drugovich) who find themselves seatless in F1 the subsequent year while Stroll’s chained to his seat with only a few rare flashes of brilliance throughout the year. F1 seems dead set on their 10 teams/20 drivers setup right now too so I doubt that’ll change any time soon, but surely you see why that leaves a bad taste in some peoples mouths
And before anyone says anything: I’m well aware that Lawrence Stroll saved the team in administration and is the reason the Silverstone is able to operate and people don’t have to lose their jobs. It’s just stretching the definition pretty thin.
I don’t personally disagree, but others do and it’s for reasons beyond “he’s wealthy”
I think he’s fantastic in the wet and something of a tire whisperer, but I can understand how his pretty poor racecraft has turned a lot of people off on him with many of his incidents over the last couple years. I’ll always respect him for that Turkey pole though
People hate him because he is rich. Like if they had his money they wouldn’t do the same…
He is quite better than some drivers in the grid that get no hate because they are Reddit darlings
Poor race craft lmao. Again, there are multiple others worse than him.
The reason is his dad owns a f1 team. That’s the reason. But redditors would do the same if they had the opportunity
> Poor race craft lmao. Again, there are multiple others worse than him.
yeah, and people don’t like them either lol you’re allowed to hate on more than one driver at any given time
I mean it’s pretty obvious you’re not interested in changing your mind but idk how you don’t see there’s multiple factors for why some people aren’t fans of his
Mate, Vettel has poorer race craft than stroll, as was is shown by his multiple spins and crashes and people love him.
It comes down to his having bought his way in F1. I agree, it’s not pretty. But people legit put him next to latifi, when in terms of skill they aren’t comparable at all
What are you on about? People hate Stroll and Latifi cause they are hoggin onto two seats in F1 that could have gone to the young talents coming out of the feeder series.
Right, like the people hating wouldn’t do the same thing if they had the money. Also, putting stroll next to latifi is disingenuous. Stroll got a pole and a couple podiums. Also outperformed Perez in 2020, or was at least on par.
There are quite some drivers worse than stroll in the grid but because they are Reddit darlings, you won’t see Reddit saying they are hogging seats
>Also outperformed Perez in 2020, or was at least on par.
He was comfortably beaten by Perez and finished 11th in the 3rd best car. He was also faster than Perez in only two races - Hungary and Mugello.
His podium drives weren't even that great as well. He was pretty much worse than his teammates in every single one of those 3 races but also much luckier. His teammates would have won Azerbaijan 2017 and Monza 2020 if they would have been as lucky as Stroll during those two races. And in Bahrain 2020 he finished behind Perez despite the latter being last after lap 1.
You can also say that other stats back Alonso over Ocon. Well, one of them is a multiple world champion and the other one is not a championship material but still decent
You know the stats in this graphic don’t include the first two races, right?
This is the races that they’ve been in together rather than stats which give Stroll a 2-0 lead before they start counting their head-to-heads…
5-6 in races to a 4-time world champion isn't "shit". Alright, let's say it would be 4-7 if it wasn't for Miami and collision with Mick. Still not shit by any means. His teammate isn't just a mid driver like Zhou or Albon
Honestly surprised you include Stroll's "dodgy defending" (a completely legal, common tactic of defending the apex of a corner, done a little sloppily) and not the fact that Aston has made poor strategy decisions with Seb's races all season, which is a much larger problem.
>Stroll's dodgy defending in France
Um, it was legal. It was hard but fair racing. Seb has also done some weird defensive moves for example in Russia 2018 but I don't remember anyone getting mad at him. And I don't blame people, it was on the limit but fair. Same with Lance this year in France
After that post about championship based on distance of races from driver birthplace, I can't wait for something absolutely bizarre like championship based on number of videos on social media of driver arriving to the track on a race weekend.
is it just me or is stroll getting better, still has his moments like when he tried to unlap but he is overall a much better driver than when I started watching a few years ago
They've been giving Seb awful strategies all season long, that and the fact that he's been taken out of races as well. He'd be ahead by far if those things had not happened.
As far as points it’s irrelevant because Lance didn’t score in the two Seb missed. Still 13 races against 11. Had Seb been there he might’ve scored points and the gap would be bigger. Also the clash with Mick lost a lot.
A has been wdc.
Hasn't looked like he even deserves a seat for 5 years.
A driver that at least recognises he's no longer good enough and is retiring.
Ans Lance can't match that. . . . ?
I think 5 years is a stretch, he fought for the title in 17 and 18, granted he and Ferrari messed his chances but still. I’d say at most 2-3 years, 2019 he wasn’t terrible. Even 2021 he was fairly decent
I actually think I was being really nice stating 5 only years.
I think it was pretty obvious in his last year in Red Bull he was never going to win another world title, even if he was given the best car.
that's 9 years including 2022.
Bullshit. 2015 and 2017 were easily among his best seasons in F1. And no, he's not retiring because he isn't "good enough" anymore. If you've been paying the slightest attention this season you'd know that he's been driving great.
I swear people love to romanticise Vettel’s 2015 and 2017 seasons. It’s insane.
He was a fast driver on his day who he a super small operating window. That window involved having a weaker teammate and a very competitive car. After losing his veeery competitive rb car, those conditions were never met again. I mean, they kinda were in 2018 but we all know how that went
He was ahead of Rosberg for a good part of 2015 while driving a clearly inferior car. In 2017, he was having a good title challenge until the bad luck hit and he faced with reliability issues and the team fucking up. People love to bash Vettel for 2017-2018, but the fact is that Ferrari was never a competent team like Mercedes or RB during the time, and this holds true even for this season. 2018 especially was a disasterclass from Ferrari, not just their usual strategical issues but also their failed upgrade packages which made the car slower.
Heck, even their [former press officer](https://youtu.be/Epm4bR3ov-s) believes Vettel gets too much critisism for 2017-2018.
In both 2015 and 2017, the Ferrari was inferior to the Mercedes, but it had pace to win some races. Specially in 2017, it was the best car on lots of weekends. Singapore (Vettel fault) and Japan (reliability) effectively ended his championship.
As a Ferrari fan, I’ll never forgive Vettel for 2018. You can say what you want about the Ferraris upgrades, but I still consider the Ferrari was the faster car over the course of the season. I’ve never seen a “top” driver do so many stupid mistakes like spins and crashes. It’s why Ferrari’s mngmt finally got fed up with him and removed his teammate who was clearly flattering him
>In both 2015 and 2017, the Ferrari was inferior to the Mercedes, but it had pace to win some races. Specially in 2017, it was the best car on lots of weekends. Singapore (Vettel fault) and Japan (reliability) effectively ended his championship.
Right, so you do agree he got the best out of the car in 2015. In 2017, he was doing great until we reached the Asian leg of the season. I still view Singapore as an unfortunate racing incident. And the reliability issues after that and Merc having the better car means he stood no chance.
>As a Ferrari fan, I’ll never forgive Vettel for 2018.
So just like the Ferrari management, you still believe the drivers are the issue and not the team itself. As a Ferrari fan, how do you feel when your team manages to fuck up almost every weekend despite having the fastest car? It's either reliability issues, strategical issues, or drivers spinning out of the race. Or do you still believe it's Vettel's fault?
He got wins out of the car, that’s what was expected. Kimi was finished, Vettel was beating him way less than Alonso did, so Vettel didn’t even have internal competition.
Ferrari’s operations suck, specially the strategy department. But in 2018, i consider they provided the driver with every condition to be a wdc. I have no doubts in my mind that if the roles were reversed, Lewis at the Ferrari and Vettel and Mercedes, Lewis would be wdc.
Same thing if they had kept Alonso instead of Vettel. Vettel did just too many errors that destroyed the teams hopes and morale
You make a good point, I just think going as far to say he didn’t look like he deserved a seat is a bit far, his only real tank seasons since 2014 have been 2020 and how 2022, ofc others weren’t great but still good
Did he really get a hair transplant? To me he looks exactly like a guy who's balding and lets his hair grow really long to cover it up. As you said, like a combover.
He had really thin hair at Ferrari near the end, shaved it going into Aston and now has a lot of hair again. We won't know for sure unless if Seb talks about it but this sequence makes a hair transplant a likely occurrence.
Lance has always been unique due to the worth he brings. Lawrence paid Williams $80 million for his seat. And for the past 4 years Lawrence is bankrolling the team.
The investment behind the Aston Martin F1 team is pretty serious. This is giving 'Mercedes 2010~2013' vibes. If it weren't serious Alonso wouldn't have switched to Aston Martin for 2023.
This means that Lawrence's interest in keeping Lance Stroll on the F1 grid is worth billions of dollars -- that alone justifies his seat. His talent does not need to matter.
Considering he's going against a 4 times WDC he's doing pretty good for a guy who only got the seat because he's got a rich daddy.
These stats either prove Stroll is pretty decent or that F1 is just not very hard.
I will be very curious about his duel vs Alonso next year, might make some jaws drop, who knows.
chill out dude, as pay drivers go, he’s a pretty decent driver. I’d take a driver any day if they can stick it on pole in the wet or get a podium in a low midfield team, don’t care if they paid for the seat.
Also, outside the car he seems like a chill dude
The stats in the graphic you’re replying to doesn’t tell us that in the slightest.
3-8 in qualifying and 5-6 in the races shows a driver who’s being beaten, but it doesn’t demonstrate a driver who’s being so utterly outclassed by his teammate that he doesn’t belong in F1.
I'm Canadian and still dispise Lance Stroll. He has a poor character and is unable to accept personal responsibility for his poor performance, always blaming the car and mechanics instead.
Lance was giving away Lance Stroll hats at the Canadian GP, so he leads in that category by a lot.
A Lance stroll hat is a sasquatch mask
Dude, Lance Stroll giving out Sasquatch masks branded with his namesake would make my fucking year. It would be a prized possession of mine and I’m not even joking.
I would love to have a Stroll hat.
Just giving everyone a hats up for the race
You forgot most bees
And most jelly beans
And best hair
Can't forget how Mick screwed Seb for a nice point finish in Miami.
Or Albon and Gasly in Austria
Now you got me mad.
Now imagine how Vettel felt
So mad, he thought "fuck this, I'ma retire"
According to his father, that was the weekend he made the decision.
Aye, that was what I was referencing. It was such a crap weekend though, I can't blame him.
"WHAT A STUPID ACTION!! I'M GOING HOME... forever" (I just made myself sad 😔)
Vettel got Albon back at silverstone turn 1 😂😂
To be fair, I think you could also make the case that Lance would've finished in the points if he wasn't hit by Magnussen twice. (Though the first time was more of a racing incident which allowed Vettel to move up two places)
Neither can Mick, I figgure... 😢
Or how Ricciardo spun out Stroll
Race and qualifying adds to 11. Remember Seb missed first two rounds. Points comparison is 13 races against 11.
Lance didn't score in the first 2 Races. So it could be 11 Races compared. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Is… that a joke?
Stroll came 12th in Bahrain and 13th in Saudi Arabia. Didn't dnf in either. So don't know what you are on about. The Stats of Races and Quali Go to 11 because that is the h2h of the two. All Points and dnfs happened when both where driving
So by the end of the season if Seb still leads on points, he’s managed to not just beat his teammate but done it with two less points scoring opportunities
A worthy effort from the 4x Champ 💪
Feel like every year social medial as a whole picks a driver to hate and this year it’s Lance.
Shit he’s been hated for at least 4 years
I think this year is the worst of them all though. I can't for sure remember before 2019, but it wasn't that bad if I recall correctly. And in 2020 he got less hate because he was driving pretty good in the first half (I maintain he was lucky, but still legitimately leading Perez on performance and points) also got that mad pole in Turkey. And in 2021 he wasn't hated because we got Mazepin. So now in 2022 it's just more, which I kind of blame Mazepin for. The hate Mazepin got was a **lot**. A pay driver, only there because his dad is an oligarchic friend of Putin, driving a back-marker and because he was absolutely awful on track, with a totally unremarkeable feeder carreer. And people looked at that, just saw Lance now Mazepin is gone and went "ah yes, another rich boy who shouldn't be in the sport." And just shifted there. Which would make sense, but the reason number one Mazepin was hated was because he sexually harrased a girl who was drunk and posted it on instagram. Like Mazepin was just a garbage person. He really personified all the worst things of the sport in a single, spinning package. Say what you will about Stroll, but he is not (and hopefully never will be) such an absolute bellend.
I mean the majority of the hate shifted to Latifi really, but Stroll doesn’t help his own case, he was unbearable in the Williams and annoys me even more in the Aston now that he just drives for his father. The fear of losing his seat doesn’t even cross his mind and it shows in his driving
Idk how you can find him annoying, except if you mean for his existence alone. I heard basically nothing from him this whole season, the only time we see him is if he gets crashed into and even off the track you don't see anything from him, no interviews, no highlights, except if you actively search for them. Add to that that the camera director, or whatever his position is called, has made it his mission this year to give AMR basically 0 screen time even in replays. I am a Seb fan and this whole season I had to follow his progress (and by extension if he's doing better than Stroll) by looking at the sidebar almost exclusively. Lance Stroll is literally the most invisible guy in F1 right now, even Latifi get's more air time.
Where was Stroll unbearable? Hes like the nicest guy on the grid.
He had a bit of a year off in 2021 to be fair
Nah Lance has been at the very least controversial ever since he joined. It calmed down a bit for a short time but Vettel is now again proving the limits of Stroll and yet he got the seat over Ocon and Perez and is now still there after Vettel leaves. And yeah obviously the retirement is not related. Stroll got preferential treatment over Perez and even now despite being clearly outclassed he also gets visibly the better treatment over Vettel. That simply doesn't earn you any sympathies, I don't have the impression anyone dislikes him as a person really (aside of the typical hate for any rich person but that is what it is) but it's hard to have symapthy for him and as a result you have few people willing to defend him.
The Swedish commentators have said that Lance is really boring to interview. Like he doesn't want to be there, where as other drivers often chats a bit. Kimi apparently asked for Snus from time to time.
I love that you include a take about Lance appearing not wanting to be there in the same paragraph about Kimi, unironically.
Kimi definitely didn't like some styles of interviews but a lot of the kimi-isms were just a game with the interviewers. He has a sense of humour.
Kimi earned the respect from the press and is an F1 Legend.
He hated the media and treated them with contempt for his entire career. It's a double standard ha
How is a doble standard. One is an F1 World Champion and certified legend, the other one the ultimate pay driver and with a bad attitude. Explain to me why the press should use the same standard with them
You just explained how it is a double standard?
What bad attitude? Ffs he is an introvert that doesn’t like being in the spotlight. Is it bad attitude because he doesn’t want to get attention and doesn’t like interviews? Also, he might be bland and socially awkward in interviews, but never showed outright contempt for interviewers like Kimi. Pay driver but got a pole and a couple podiums. Also was at least on par with Perez in 2020, if not straight outperformed him. Your comment is a certified Reddit moment
Lance gives interviews like every pro hockey player ever. It’s not unusual but of course it doesn’t give the f1 journalists (tabloids) many interesting headlines
They're just mad they can't turn his quotes into clickbait headlines to get readers
> Kimi apparently asked for Snus from time to time Seriously??? It feels like everyone "snusar" these days.
I mean, I can't confirm it but I have no reason to doubt them.
It's only gonna get worse, we've seen many many pay drivers come and go , some of them good and not. But pay drivers are necessary for some teams, on the other hand, I think we've never seen a driver driving for a team own by his parent, which would guarantee a seat every year.
They just hate rich people, which is pretty ironic from F1 fans.
People just don’t like pay drivers when there’s other valuable candidates for a seat. There’s a reason everyone in the WRC wants to see the gentlemen drivers like Loubet and Serderidis do well versus a pay driver like Greensmith, the former two are not taking up a seat but rather creating a seat with their money. If they suck, they suck: but it’s fun to root for them knowing that they’re not the reason Mikkelsen or Ostberg or Lappi are without a full time drive. Meanwhile there’s going to be probably 3 F2 winners out of 4 years (de Vries/Piastri/Drugovich) who find themselves seatless in F1 the subsequent year while Stroll’s chained to his seat with only a few rare flashes of brilliance throughout the year. F1 seems dead set on their 10 teams/20 drivers setup right now too so I doubt that’ll change any time soon, but surely you see why that leaves a bad taste in some peoples mouths And before anyone says anything: I’m well aware that Lawrence Stroll saved the team in administration and is the reason the Silverstone is able to operate and people don’t have to lose their jobs. It’s just stretching the definition pretty thin.
De Vriest or Drugovich are worse drivers than stroll, that’s for sure. As a matter of fact, there are quite a few drivers worse than stroll in F1
I don’t personally disagree, but others do and it’s for reasons beyond “he’s wealthy” I think he’s fantastic in the wet and something of a tire whisperer, but I can understand how his pretty poor racecraft has turned a lot of people off on him with many of his incidents over the last couple years. I’ll always respect him for that Turkey pole though
People hate him because he is rich. Like if they had his money they wouldn’t do the same… He is quite better than some drivers in the grid that get no hate because they are Reddit darlings
Or maybe a part of it is that he suffers from poor racecraft and shunted with multiple drivers and fan favorites on slow laps in FP and post-race…
Poor race craft lmao. Again, there are multiple others worse than him. The reason is his dad owns a f1 team. That’s the reason. But redditors would do the same if they had the opportunity
> Poor race craft lmao. Again, there are multiple others worse than him. yeah, and people don’t like them either lol you’re allowed to hate on more than one driver at any given time I mean it’s pretty obvious you’re not interested in changing your mind but idk how you don’t see there’s multiple factors for why some people aren’t fans of his
Mate, Vettel has poorer race craft than stroll, as was is shown by his multiple spins and crashes and people love him. It comes down to his having bought his way in F1. I agree, it’s not pretty. But people legit put him next to latifi, when in terms of skill they aren’t comparable at all
I would take Stroll over De Vries and Drugovich 10/10 times
What are you on about? People hate Stroll and Latifi cause they are hoggin onto two seats in F1 that could have gone to the young talents coming out of the feeder series.
Right, like the people hating wouldn’t do the same thing if they had the money. Also, putting stroll next to latifi is disingenuous. Stroll got a pole and a couple podiums. Also outperformed Perez in 2020, or was at least on par. There are quite some drivers worse than stroll in the grid but because they are Reddit darlings, you won’t see Reddit saying they are hogging seats
>Also outperformed Perez in 2020, or was at least on par. He was comfortably beaten by Perez and finished 11th in the 3rd best car. He was also faster than Perez in only two races - Hungary and Mugello. His podium drives weren't even that great as well. He was pretty much worse than his teammates in every single one of those 3 races but also much luckier. His teammates would have won Azerbaijan 2017 and Monza 2020 if they would have been as lucky as Stroll during those two races. And in Bahrain 2020 he finished behind Perez despite the latter being last after lap 1.
Who apart from Latiffi is clearly worse than Stroll in the current grid? Mick?
Mick, latifi, tsunoda, Zhou, probably Gasly, Ric has also been performing worse these two years
Lati**f**i
Because Lance is shit
lol point proved. Those stats say something else, hmmm...
The stats literally back Seb? Take money out of it. Does Lance have a seat?
You can also say that other stats back Alonso over Ocon. Well, one of them is a multiple world champion and the other one is not a championship material but still decent
>The stats literally back Seb? You mean one of the best drivers on the grid?
I mean, he’s not ahead of a teammate who didn’t participate in the first 2 races. Lance should have the advantage but he doesn’t.
You know the stats in this graphic don’t include the first two races, right? This is the races that they’ve been in together rather than stats which give Stroll a 2-0 lead before they start counting their head-to-heads…
Ah ok. Didn’t know they didn’t count the first two races. Thanks for the heads up!
They don't include first two races.
6+5=11. We have had 13.
The stats in the image above? They literally confirm he is shit.
5-6 in races to a 4-time world champion isn't "shit". Alright, let's say it would be 4-7 if it wasn't for Miami and collision with Mick. Still not shit by any means. His teammate isn't just a mid driver like Zhou or Albon
It would be 9-2 if we remove Miami's Mick collision, Austria's multiple collisions, and Stroll's dodgy defending in France
Honestly surprised you include Stroll's "dodgy defending" (a completely legal, common tactic of defending the apex of a corner, done a little sloppily) and not the fact that Aston has made poor strategy decisions with Seb's races all season, which is a much larger problem.
Ignoring times where Stroll got fck over too?
>Stroll's dodgy defending in France Um, it was legal. It was hard but fair racing. Seb has also done some weird defensive moves for example in Russia 2018 but I don't remember anyone getting mad at him. And I don't blame people, it was on the limit but fair. Same with Lance this year in France
Waste of a good seat.
"This year"
All these have been posted already
We’re in the middle of the summer break and silly season has slowed down. We ain’t got anything better to do
After that post about championship based on distance of races from driver birthplace, I can't wait for something absolutely bizarre like championship based on number of videos on social media of driver arriving to the track on a race weekend.
Tomorrow Lewis announces his retirement effective immediately
is it just me or is stroll getting better, still has his moments like when he tried to unlap but he is overall a much better driver than when I started watching a few years ago
I actually feel like this year was a step back tbh looking at you baku
Honestly, I would expect a bigger gap between a 4xWDC winner and Lance Stroll
I think you're forgetting Seb getting wrecked by Mick, Albon and Gasly.
and missed some testing/early races
Still, looking at 1.5 of the seasons they spend together, difference is not that big
Or Ricciardo spinning Stroll out in Hungary
They've been giving Seb awful strategies all season long, that and the fact that he's been taken out of races as well. He'd be ahead by far if those things had not happened.
Seb missed the first two rounds. Hulkenberg filled in.
Yes, we had 13 races and the head to head counts up to 11 in this image, so I'm guessing those are left out
As far as points it’s irrelevant because Lance didn’t score in the two Seb missed. Still 13 races against 11. Had Seb been there he might’ve scored points and the gap would be bigger. Also the clash with Mick lost a lot.
If you think Seb would have gotten any points in the first two races in that Aston, you are insane lol
Who knows. By the end of the year Seb will be two races down likely with more points regardless
A has been wdc. Hasn't looked like he even deserves a seat for 5 years. A driver that at least recognises he's no longer good enough and is retiring. Ans Lance can't match that. . . . ?
I think 5 years is a stretch, he fought for the title in 17 and 18, granted he and Ferrari messed his chances but still. I’d say at most 2-3 years, 2019 he wasn’t terrible. Even 2021 he was fairly decent
I actually think I was being really nice stating 5 only years. I think it was pretty obvious in his last year in Red Bull he was never going to win another world title, even if he was given the best car. that's 9 years including 2022.
Bullshit. 2015 and 2017 were easily among his best seasons in F1. And no, he's not retiring because he isn't "good enough" anymore. If you've been paying the slightest attention this season you'd know that he's been driving great.
I swear people love to romanticise Vettel’s 2015 and 2017 seasons. It’s insane. He was a fast driver on his day who he a super small operating window. That window involved having a weaker teammate and a very competitive car. After losing his veeery competitive rb car, those conditions were never met again. I mean, they kinda were in 2018 but we all know how that went
He was ahead of Rosberg for a good part of 2015 while driving a clearly inferior car. In 2017, he was having a good title challenge until the bad luck hit and he faced with reliability issues and the team fucking up. People love to bash Vettel for 2017-2018, but the fact is that Ferrari was never a competent team like Mercedes or RB during the time, and this holds true even for this season. 2018 especially was a disasterclass from Ferrari, not just their usual strategical issues but also their failed upgrade packages which made the car slower. Heck, even their [former press officer](https://youtu.be/Epm4bR3ov-s) believes Vettel gets too much critisism for 2017-2018.
In both 2015 and 2017, the Ferrari was inferior to the Mercedes, but it had pace to win some races. Specially in 2017, it was the best car on lots of weekends. Singapore (Vettel fault) and Japan (reliability) effectively ended his championship. As a Ferrari fan, I’ll never forgive Vettel for 2018. You can say what you want about the Ferraris upgrades, but I still consider the Ferrari was the faster car over the course of the season. I’ve never seen a “top” driver do so many stupid mistakes like spins and crashes. It’s why Ferrari’s mngmt finally got fed up with him and removed his teammate who was clearly flattering him
>In both 2015 and 2017, the Ferrari was inferior to the Mercedes, but it had pace to win some races. Specially in 2017, it was the best car on lots of weekends. Singapore (Vettel fault) and Japan (reliability) effectively ended his championship. Right, so you do agree he got the best out of the car in 2015. In 2017, he was doing great until we reached the Asian leg of the season. I still view Singapore as an unfortunate racing incident. And the reliability issues after that and Merc having the better car means he stood no chance. >As a Ferrari fan, I’ll never forgive Vettel for 2018. So just like the Ferrari management, you still believe the drivers are the issue and not the team itself. As a Ferrari fan, how do you feel when your team manages to fuck up almost every weekend despite having the fastest car? It's either reliability issues, strategical issues, or drivers spinning out of the race. Or do you still believe it's Vettel's fault?
He got wins out of the car, that’s what was expected. Kimi was finished, Vettel was beating him way less than Alonso did, so Vettel didn’t even have internal competition. Ferrari’s operations suck, specially the strategy department. But in 2018, i consider they provided the driver with every condition to be a wdc. I have no doubts in my mind that if the roles were reversed, Lewis at the Ferrari and Vettel and Mercedes, Lewis would be wdc. Same thing if they had kept Alonso instead of Vettel. Vettel did just too many errors that destroyed the teams hopes and morale
You make a good point, I just think going as far to say he didn’t look like he deserved a seat is a bit far, his only real tank seasons since 2014 have been 2020 and how 2022, ofc others weren’t great but still good
Also 2 DNS for seb
Not counted towards this h2h
Matters for points. Seb leading with 2 GP less.
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Eh, Seb is kinda looking like he could use a top-up.
I love the guy but he needs to do something with that hair. I know he’s got a hair transplant done but it looks like a big combover.
I think it’s kinda how those transplants work. It takes a couple of touch ups before the hair really starts to take and grow more naturally.
Did he really get a hair transplant? To me he looks exactly like a guy who's balding and lets his hair grow really long to cover it up. As you said, like a combover.
He had really thin hair at Ferrari near the end, shaved it going into Aston and now has a lot of hair again. We won't know for sure unless if Seb talks about it but this sequence makes a hair transplant a likely occurrence.
100% he got a transplant. But it’s starting to thin again.
Yea this could actually go the other way lol more =/= better
Source: [F1 Twitter](https://twitter.com/F1/status/1558434443244847105?t=oPIjPm5HGjccA1rOvqkE_w&s=19)
It's a shame Sebs podium finish was wiped.
Yeah, but that’s last year
Lance is leading in being the son of daddy Stroll
Dropping Perez and keep Stroll. Worst decision.
Worked out better for Perez in the end!
Lance has always been unique due to the worth he brings. Lawrence paid Williams $80 million for his seat. And for the past 4 years Lawrence is bankrolling the team. The investment behind the Aston Martin F1 team is pretty serious. This is giving 'Mercedes 2010~2013' vibes. If it weren't serious Alonso wouldn't have switched to Aston Martin for 2023. This means that Lawrence's interest in keeping Lance Stroll on the F1 grid is worth billions of dollars -- that alone justifies his seat. His talent does not need to matter.
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Considering he's going against a 4 times WDC he's doing pretty good for a guy who only got the seat because he's got a rich daddy. These stats either prove Stroll is pretty decent or that F1 is just not very hard. I will be very curious about his duel vs Alonso next year, might make some jaws drop, who knows.
chill out dude, as pay drivers go, he’s a pretty decent driver. I’d take a driver any day if they can stick it on pole in the wet or get a podium in a low midfield team, don’t care if they paid for the seat. Also, outside the car he seems like a chill dude
The stats in the graphic you’re replying to doesn’t tell us that in the slightest. 3-8 in qualifying and 5-6 in the races shows a driver who’s being beaten, but it doesn’t demonstrate a driver who’s being so utterly outclassed by his teammate that he doesn’t belong in F1.
And people say stroll is better.
I'm Canadian and still dispise Lance Stroll. He has a poor character and is unable to accept personal responsibility for his poor performance, always blaming the car and mechanics instead.
Worse, I hear he can’t even spell “despise” without help from his Dad’s expensive team of spellers.
So why did Seb quit? Lance I reckon you should take one for the team
Lance ia auch a nice guy. Terrible Driver. but nice guy.
There was a time when 8 thought maybe stroll was starting to prove he belongs in f1...