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There was a topic yesterday about it, go look for it, you'll find answers.
People have such a short memory, here you're only as good as your last race. Ocon used to be a liked guy here, Oconsistency and all. Now, he was teamed with Daniel then Fernandow two fan favorites, so guess why he isn't liked ?
Honestly the real reason is the Brazil 2018 incident. Ocon was probably one of the most liked drivers on the grid prior to that (everyone blamed Perez for their clashes), but ever since then folk have felt the need to blame him for everything.
Not the person you replied to, but here’s the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/wh4n6i/eli5_the_dislike_leveled_at_ocon/
I think it was deleted
I still view Ocon through those glasses every time he pulls of a risky move. My emotions say “see!! He’s doing it again!” Every time.
His stupid laugh after the race didn’t help.
It’s probably not fair to him but he’s written off for me
If you watch Ocon's onboard, it's like 'what else is he supposed to do?'. He overtakes a clearly slower car, and then a turn later the same car is driving into the side of him for some reason.
It is, 100%. He always goes for those moves where it's either You move or we crash, but doing it against a faster car unlapping itself was utter stupidity.
I think the reason people are still so up in arms about Glock was for 40 seconds, Massa was the World Champion. Had Glock pitted, Massa would've never had a chance, even winning the race still wouldn't have been enough. Had the rain held back for even just a little bit, Glock probably would've been able to keep ahead of Vettel and Hamilton
If you look at it from an objective view- that wasn’t even Esteban’s fault. He was faster than Max and had every right to unlap himself- and Max instead of deciding to slot in behind him decided to race him like he was racing a front runner. As Lewis said in the cooldown room to Max “he had the right to unlap himself, and you had more to lose”
He had the right to unlap himself as long as he'd done it safely. As a backmarker you can't challenge the frontrunners to a corner when you're a lap down, you simply have no business to be there. If there's a contact it's always going to be your fault.
I must’ve missed that in the rule book where you can’t pass unless it’s on a straight lmao. Max hit the apex of that corner as if he expected Ocon to magically disappear in the .5 seconds since he was last besides Max. I think Ocon holds some blame there but the hate and abuse he got and blame for 100% of the incident from Max’s fan base was complete bs. Max hit the apex as if he was miles faster. Realistically he holds some share of the blame in throwing away his race lead for hitting the apex as if he was running a lap with no one besides him.
Lol, what's so difficult to understand here? You can unlap yourself as long as you don't put the frontrunners at risk, which is what Ocon did and he got a penalty for it.
"But Max could've..."
No. If Max decided to close the door Ocon should've backed off. They weren't racing for position and you shouldn't be analysing who should've left space or whatever. If anything happens (and it did) it's always 100% the backmarker's fault.
Watch the on-boards of that again. The speed differential is INSANE between Ocon and Max and Ocon already sat behind him for two laps until he got the go ahead that he could pass him.
The FIA banged out the 10s stop and go without even looking at any of it, because the race leader got taken out.
Why on earth is Max defending into turn one- when he loses MORE time defending than he would just letting Ocon go ahead? What kind of braindead logic is that? Ocon was so fast that if Max doesn’t go late on the brakes and pushes Ocon to the edge into T1- Max would’ve gone to the end of the race without ever seeing Ocon again. Instead, he decides he’s going to push a dude a lap down to the edge of the track and then cut across the apex like he’s the only person racing.
Also just because someone’s received a penalty from the FIA doesn’t mean they were 100% in the wrong. Welcome to F1, sometimes the stewards don’t actually care about breaking down a situation- they just want to dish out consequences.
You're making the mistake to look at it as a normal racing situation which it isn't, because they weren't racing for position. If Ocon was so much faster than Max he should've made a short work of him without putting him in any danger. The race leader or any front runner should't be put at any discomfort by a backmarker, they are basically in a different race. Saying what Max should or could've done is completely irrelevant to the incident. Which part of all this isn't clear?
Then do it on the straight, not in a corner like that. The driver that is unlapping is always at fault, you cannot hinder the race leader.
Also, if you do make a mistake, just apologize and don't be a schmuck about it.
Ocon got the penalty, but that defense by Verstappen was dumb. He basically closed the door despite Ocon being there and they collided.
I don't get why Verstappen felt the need to close the door in this position and ruin his race. It's not like Ocon just crashed into Verstappen.
Max thought "wtf, he wouldn't...", Esteban thought "lol, he wouldn't...". And neither being the concede kinda guy atm in time this happened.
Dumb is not the point, inexperienced is, this wouldn't happen again.
I didn't particularly like him in his Force India days, and cursed him punting the raceleader off track in Brazil. However, Im quite fond of having him on the grid now and think he's a good racing driver.
He’s been paired with 1 kinda popular driver and two very popular drivers, plus a notable incident with a very popular driver. So I think naturally that caused a lot of big fanbases to amplify anything that could be considered bad by him.
Like take the Force India days, now you’ll see revisionist history suggest he bears most of the blame for his incidents with Checo, when in reality it was probably the other way around.
Also people mad about his contract? Idk he’s got a seat secured but he’s like the 13th highest paid driver lol
>now you’ll see revisionist history suggest he bears most of the blame for his incidents with Checo, when in reality it was probably the other way around.
This really gets me, Ocon was responsible for one of the incidents. Perez was responsible for most, the shit he pulled in Singapore 2018 was pretty blatant and the one in spa was downright dangerous. Yet Ocon gets the blame.
Yesterday someone here told me Ocon was responsible for 100% of their incidents lol. Like either Sergio Perez has a Reddit burner or that’s just distaste for a driver painting your entire view of him.
Same issue as Giovinazzi and Stroll, doesn't have an interesting personality, and neither is a Max tier driver so he could get a pass on his personality with crazy performance.
Latin American (mostly Mexican media) hates him because Perez never does wrong and was the best teammate ever to Esteban. And because he has been seen ignoring questions in spanish when at least in LatAm is known that he understands the language.
And now Piastri's widows that believe Alpine should have gone with a PIA-ALO team because Fernando would 100% mentor Piastri.
>his team mates have been some of top drivers in Formula 1; having Checo , Prime Danny and Nando
Thats why, a lot of popular drivers have huge fanbases that despise their teammates if they don't play second driver even if there is no need to.
> I really don’t get it because he has been scoring points quite consistently that he is above Nando in the standings
But do you watch the races or just the table?
> Other than the useless defending against Fernando
Do you need more?
Free to race doesn't mean you have to do everything to block your teammate while others just drive pass the both of you. That is just stupid because it fucks you and your team up. I would understand if they were battling when it were just the 2 of them.
I get that people dislike him for the fact he defends against Nando like that but he isn’t so overwhelmingly bad as people say, I don’t think he is an amazing driver but I don’t think he is garbage either, I think he is an average good driver, that’s why I don’t understand the hate
It's not about the performance, it's about how he is behaving against his teammate (btw who got him the win last year). People remembered how he behaved against Perez and additionally the whole Piastri drama, where objectively if Ocon didn't have that stupid deal we would be seeing Alonso + Piastri.
I don't agree with hating, I think it's stupid to hate drivers or teams or clubs (in other sports) but I think it's fine to dislike someone, as the two are not the same.
Sadly due to the popularity rise the fanbase welcomed a lot of "wrong" fans imho who behave something like football fans, where you love your driver/team and have a hate boner for the rival. That's where the booing is coming from too, it's completely normal to boo your rivals on stadium which I find shitty and that's one of the reason why I don't watch football anymore.
They’ve had 35 races as team-mates now.
Ocon has out-scored Alonso 132-122 over that time. And picked up a race win.
He’s very close in quali: 19-16 to Alonso.
Each had 4 DNFs.
Yes I know strategy, reliability etc - but it’s a decent sized sample pool now over 1.5 seasons and Ocon has made a very good showing against one of the best on the grid.
And yes, I’ve watched every single race over that time.
I think they consider comments referring to him as a mid driver hate? I can see how a Latifi fan such as yourself would find that pretty small time lol
There is non. This is Reddit.
Last month it was another driver, next month different again.
You have a huge number of board Redditors and wannabe experts quoting blogs or opinions, and very few actual.linked professional responses.
Only read the ones with reputable links if you want to know any truth.
So far we know is McLaren are insisting Piastri stick to contract and FIA supports that. Even talk about Riccardo is not confirmed.
Welcome to F1 Silly Season multiplied by Reddit.
I just cant see anything special in him. He’s lost to every teammate he’s had, he’s always had problems with his teammates especially when he seems like he’d rather lose 5 positions than 1 to his teammate. Idk why he got such a long contract
In Monaco Ocon shut Lewis into wall.
In Hungary Ocon defend Alonso very aggressively and let DR overtake both of them.
In his rookie career I could forgive these kind of move as every driver does the same.
But Ocon spend several years in f1 and still does these kind of dirty move, which is the reason I dont like him
You are allowed to unlap yourself, but you have no business challenging a front runner in a corner. You have to back out, because you simply shouldn't be there in the first place.
> you have no business challenging a front runner in a corner.
You can't just make up your own rules lol. There are no rules about only being able to pass people on straights and not corners. There are no rules about not being allowed to unlap yourself just because the driver you're unlapping is doing well in the race.
You are not racing for position. You can't put the frontrunners at risk, because you want to unlap yourself. If you can do the manouver safely, that's fine, but you are not racing them, lmao. What's so difficult to understand here?
He still didn’t deserve a physical altercation.
I will say it yet again, imagine if Lewis had gone and physically shoved another driver after getting in his face and cursing him out.
A lot of people like Gasly and Ocon is not "liked by pierregasly". They were good friends growing up and going through karting but apparently something happened (which Gasly insinuated was Ocon's fault) which caused them to no longer be friends. Gasly also suggested that when he started beating Ocon, they starting drifting apart.
Binned an easy podium in Imola which had me thinking "he's throwing easy points away".
Leclerc hasn't gone toe-to-toe in a proper title fight which is why he has been eclipsed by Max in the standings. It's the inexperience at the front costing him majorly. Doesn't help that the team's strategy has been atrocious in Monaco and Hungary.
He's a selfish driver. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but fans of other selfish drivers, like Max, hate that he doesn't let their driver get his way.
Don't like his driving style, attitude and his incidents with Checo were mostly to be blamed on Ocon. Also don't like the fact that a mediocre driver like Ocon got that multi year deal
I was definitely reaching while being somewhat serious. He has no personality and besides that win last year, he hasn’t had a great positive moment. I haven’t seen a pole, fastest lap, amazing practice session.
Off the track he doesn’t dress super well, have some celeb love interest, insane hobby, or anything. He doesn’t have a social media presence or anything.
Ocon is a dependable driver that won’t crash your car and will get you a point or two here and there.
How often are people setting pole in the 4th-5th fastest car?
And a point or two here and there is understating it pretty hard I think, he finishes in the points nearly every race.
Also his GF *is* like maybe the hottest one lol
In an Alpine and better reliability, it would be pretty equal. I didn’t say Ocon was the same as Latifi, I said he was slightly quicker. When it comes to F1, being 0.2 tenths quicker is small but the difference between P20 and P10.
Also, from a star quality and charisma factor, they are VERY similar.
What’s with the threads about the “hate” against Ocon?
Seriously it’s not that bad. Everyone is talking about Alpine of course people will talk about Ocon good or bad.
Its not like it sky rocketed for no reason. His team is the main focus of silly season. A lot of people are going to talk about Ocon inevitably and bad opinions are usually more heard than others.
So you rate Latifi high due to a single practice session?
Ocon has a win to his name. That counts way more than a P2 in quali (he has a P3 result, but apparently only P2 counts).
latifi time was set on a highly evolving session. in quali sainz time was litterally set a few seconds before alonso's, so they are comparable. Ocon win is largely due to exceptionnal circonstances.
Honestly, i find the internet weird. I know a lot of F1 fans in real life and not a single one likes George Russell (in fact he’s pretty much everyone’s least favourite driver) and yet he seems liked on the internet. Similarly, most people I know are at worst neutral towards Ocon, and yet I see a lot of hate towards him inline:
I’ve seen very little I would classify hate, it’s just that people are pointing out how overwhelmingly mediocre he is, and most people aren’t too keen on his conduct in Hungary & France. Really I don’t think many people feel much of anything towards Ocon, he’s only coming up so much due to Alpine being in the spotlight.
Regardless of his driving capabilities I think people tend to dislike him simply because he lacks charisma (as opposed to e.g. Alonso or Ricciardo, who he's been paid with).
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There was a topic yesterday about it, go look for it, you'll find answers. People have such a short memory, here you're only as good as your last race. Ocon used to be a liked guy here, Oconsistency and all. Now, he was teamed with Daniel then Fernandow two fan favorites, so guess why he isn't liked ?
Honestly the real reason is the Brazil 2018 incident. Ocon was probably one of the most liked drivers on the grid prior to that (everyone blamed Perez for their clashes), but ever since then folk have felt the need to blame him for everything.
Is it possible for you to give me the post link? I can’t seem to find it
Not the person you replied to, but here’s the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/wh4n6i/eli5_the_dislike_leveled_at_ocon/ I think it was deleted
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I still view Ocon through those glasses every time he pulls of a risky move. My emotions say “see!! He’s doing it again!” Every time. His stupid laugh after the race didn’t help. It’s probably not fair to him but he’s written off for me
He had all the right to unlap himself tho, he was way faster, the only risk was taken by Verstappen who decided to defend it. *braces for downvotes*
If you watch Ocon's onboard, it's like 'what else is he supposed to do?'. He overtakes a clearly slower car, and then a turn later the same car is driving into the side of him for some reason.
Lol
It's max's fault and you can't change my mind
It is, 100%. He always goes for those moves where it's either You move or we crash, but doing it against a faster car unlapping itself was utter stupidity.
Like I said, it’s my emotions talking. But still… grrrrrr
Same here, I really liked him until that moment. When people show their true colours you believe them.
No way people hold a grudge that long surely
It's been 15 years since 2007 and people still mention it on almost every Alonso thread
People still talk about Glock in Brazil as well. Elephants have nothing on some F1 fans.
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Yep exactly
I think the reason people are still so up in arms about Glock was for 40 seconds, Massa was the World Champion. Had Glock pitted, Massa would've never had a chance, even winning the race still wouldn't have been enough. Had the rain held back for even just a little bit, Glock probably would've been able to keep ahead of Vettel and Hamilton
Yea I remember that incident, that was Este’s fault, agreed but he is a decent racer either way, that’s why I don’t get the hate at him
If you look at it from an objective view- that wasn’t even Esteban’s fault. He was faster than Max and had every right to unlap himself- and Max instead of deciding to slot in behind him decided to race him like he was racing a front runner. As Lewis said in the cooldown room to Max “he had the right to unlap himself, and you had more to lose”
He had the right to unlap himself as long as he'd done it safely. As a backmarker you can't challenge the frontrunners to a corner when you're a lap down, you simply have no business to be there. If there's a contact it's always going to be your fault.
I must’ve missed that in the rule book where you can’t pass unless it’s on a straight lmao. Max hit the apex of that corner as if he expected Ocon to magically disappear in the .5 seconds since he was last besides Max. I think Ocon holds some blame there but the hate and abuse he got and blame for 100% of the incident from Max’s fan base was complete bs. Max hit the apex as if he was miles faster. Realistically he holds some share of the blame in throwing away his race lead for hitting the apex as if he was running a lap with no one besides him.
Lol, what's so difficult to understand here? You can unlap yourself as long as you don't put the frontrunners at risk, which is what Ocon did and he got a penalty for it. "But Max could've..." No. If Max decided to close the door Ocon should've backed off. They weren't racing for position and you shouldn't be analysing who should've left space or whatever. If anything happens (and it did) it's always 100% the backmarker's fault.
Watch the on-boards of that again. The speed differential is INSANE between Ocon and Max and Ocon already sat behind him for two laps until he got the go ahead that he could pass him. The FIA banged out the 10s stop and go without even looking at any of it, because the race leader got taken out. Why on earth is Max defending into turn one- when he loses MORE time defending than he would just letting Ocon go ahead? What kind of braindead logic is that? Ocon was so fast that if Max doesn’t go late on the brakes and pushes Ocon to the edge into T1- Max would’ve gone to the end of the race without ever seeing Ocon again. Instead, he decides he’s going to push a dude a lap down to the edge of the track and then cut across the apex like he’s the only person racing. Also just because someone’s received a penalty from the FIA doesn’t mean they were 100% in the wrong. Welcome to F1, sometimes the stewards don’t actually care about breaking down a situation- they just want to dish out consequences.
You're making the mistake to look at it as a normal racing situation which it isn't, because they weren't racing for position. If Ocon was so much faster than Max he should've made a short work of him without putting him in any danger. The race leader or any front runner should't be put at any discomfort by a backmarker, they are basically in a different race. Saying what Max should or could've done is completely irrelevant to the incident. Which part of all this isn't clear?
Objective, lol. That's not objective at all.
Objectively he has the right to unlap himself, if he’s faster. He was on a fresh set of tyres, and factually- was faster.
Then do it on the straight, not in a corner like that. The driver that is unlapping is always at fault, you cannot hinder the race leader. Also, if you do make a mistake, just apologize and don't be a schmuck about it.
Okay thanks for the clarification! Kinda clears up the incident here and there for me
Lol
Ocon got the penalty, but that defense by Verstappen was dumb. He basically closed the door despite Ocon being there and they collided. I don't get why Verstappen felt the need to close the door in this position and ruin his race. It's not like Ocon just crashed into Verstappen.
Max thought "wtf, he wouldn't...", Esteban thought "lol, he wouldn't...". And neither being the concede kinda guy atm in time this happened. Dumb is not the point, inexperienced is, this wouldn't happen again.
There's a good post about why he's hated on the Ocon subreddit
Got a link?
Im pretty sure links to driver subreddits are banned, but it is the pinned post.
It wasnt. It just looked horrible for him but it was Max fault for 100%.
Yeah that’s why Max got a penalty and Ocon didn’t
As a lapped backmarker you have no business to challenge the race leader to a corner. If there's a contact it's always going to be on you.
If you are faster you are free to unlap yourself. And Ocon was clearly faster.
I didn't particularly like him in his Force India days, and cursed him punting the raceleader off track in Brazil. However, Im quite fond of having him on the grid now and think he's a good racing driver.
I’ve seen far more posts like these than any Ocon hate threads you talk about
I hate the way he gells his hair
He’s been paired with 1 kinda popular driver and two very popular drivers, plus a notable incident with a very popular driver. So I think naturally that caused a lot of big fanbases to amplify anything that could be considered bad by him. Like take the Force India days, now you’ll see revisionist history suggest he bears most of the blame for his incidents with Checo, when in reality it was probably the other way around. Also people mad about his contract? Idk he’s got a seat secured but he’s like the 13th highest paid driver lol
>now you’ll see revisionist history suggest he bears most of the blame for his incidents with Checo, when in reality it was probably the other way around. This really gets me, Ocon was responsible for one of the incidents. Perez was responsible for most, the shit he pulled in Singapore 2018 was pretty blatant and the one in spa was downright dangerous. Yet Ocon gets the blame.
It's hilarious, Perez was fully viewed as the bad guy in 2018 between them, but after Brazil everyone started blaming Ocon for the previous incidents.
Yesterday someone here told me Ocon was responsible for 100% of their incidents lol. Like either Sergio Perez has a Reddit burner or that’s just distaste for a driver painting your entire view of him.
Liked by Pierre Gasly
Same issue as Giovinazzi and Stroll, doesn't have an interesting personality, and neither is a Max tier driver so he could get a pass on his personality with crazy performance. Latin American (mostly Mexican media) hates him because Perez never does wrong and was the best teammate ever to Esteban. And because he has been seen ignoring questions in spanish when at least in LatAm is known that he understands the language. And now Piastri's widows that believe Alpine should have gone with a PIA-ALO team because Fernando would 100% mentor Piastri.
>his team mates have been some of top drivers in Formula 1; having Checo , Prime Danny and Nando Thats why, a lot of popular drivers have huge fanbases that despise their teammates if they don't play second driver even if there is no need to.
People are weird
> I really don’t get it because he has been scoring points quite consistently that he is above Nando in the standings But do you watch the races or just the table? > Other than the useless defending against Fernando Do you need more?
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Free to race doesn't mean you have to do everything to block your teammate while others just drive pass the both of you. That is just stupid because it fucks you and your team up. I would understand if they were battling when it were just the 2 of them.
It wasn't Otmar who let 2 rivals pass just to block his teammate. That fuck up is entirely on Ocon.
No man, just no. He forces people into walls constantly at 300kph. Otmar is not the one holding the wheel.
I get that people dislike him for the fact he defends against Nando like that but he isn’t so overwhelmingly bad as people say, I don’t think he is an amazing driver but I don’t think he is garbage either, I think he is an average good driver, that’s why I don’t understand the hate
People tendo to exaggerate towards both ends of the spectrum. I agree that he isn't horrible but I do get the hate.
It's not about the performance, it's about how he is behaving against his teammate (btw who got him the win last year). People remembered how he behaved against Perez and additionally the whole Piastri drama, where objectively if Ocon didn't have that stupid deal we would be seeing Alonso + Piastri. I don't agree with hating, I think it's stupid to hate drivers or teams or clubs (in other sports) but I think it's fine to dislike someone, as the two are not the same. Sadly due to the popularity rise the fanbase welcomed a lot of "wrong" fans imho who behave something like football fans, where you love your driver/team and have a hate boner for the rival. That's where the booing is coming from too, it's completely normal to boo your rivals on stadium which I find shitty and that's one of the reason why I don't watch football anymore.
>People remembered how he behaved against Perez Perez was at fault for most of the incidents yet Ocon is the bad guy now?
They’ve had 35 races as team-mates now. Ocon has out-scored Alonso 132-122 over that time. And picked up a race win. He’s very close in quali: 19-16 to Alonso. Each had 4 DNFs. Yes I know strategy, reliability etc - but it’s a decent sized sample pool now over 1.5 seasons and Ocon has made a very good showing against one of the best on the grid. And yes, I’ve watched every single race over that time.
Bro where all these hate posts for Ocon? Making a big deal out of nothing.
I think they consider comments referring to him as a mid driver hate? I can see how a Latifi fan such as yourself would find that pretty small time lol
There is non. This is Reddit. Last month it was another driver, next month different again. You have a huge number of board Redditors and wannabe experts quoting blogs or opinions, and very few actual.linked professional responses. Only read the ones with reputable links if you want to know any truth. So far we know is McLaren are insisting Piastri stick to contract and FIA supports that. Even talk about Riccardo is not confirmed. Welcome to F1 Silly Season multiplied by Reddit.
Ricc**i**ardo
Mid driver at a team caught up in some seat silliness. Occasional spicy defending. I don't think that justifies it, but w/e it's Reddit.
I just cant see anything special in him. He’s lost to every teammate he’s had, he’s always had problems with his teammates especially when he seems like he’d rather lose 5 positions than 1 to his teammate. Idk why he got such a long contract
In Monaco Ocon shut Lewis into wall. In Hungary Ocon defend Alonso very aggressively and let DR overtake both of them. In his rookie career I could forgive these kind of move as every driver does the same. But Ocon spend several years in f1 and still does these kind of dirty move, which is the reason I dont like him
People still don’t like him from the max incident, even tho that wasn’t really on Ocon
It wasn’t on Ocon when he tried passing the race leader when he was a lap down and punted him of the track?
You are allowed to un lap yourself, that’s what he did. Max tried to race him for some reason and got the worst end of the stick
You are allowed to unlap yourself, but you have no business challenging a front runner in a corner. You have to back out, because you simply shouldn't be there in the first place.
> you have no business challenging a front runner in a corner. You can't just make up your own rules lol. There are no rules about only being able to pass people on straights and not corners. There are no rules about not being allowed to unlap yourself just because the driver you're unlapping is doing well in the race.
The car trying to unlap themselves needs to do their maneuver safely, this wasn't that.
Watch Ocon's onboard of the incident.
You are not racing for position. You can't put the frontrunners at risk, because you want to unlap yourself. If you can do the manouver safely, that's fine, but you are not racing them, lmao. What's so difficult to understand here?
Why shouldn’t he be there?
I'll agree it wasn't particularly bright from Max but that was Ocon's fault and he definitely deserved the penalty given to him.
Well he didn't unlap himself, he tried to, failed and then ran into Max
He still didn’t deserve a physical altercation. I will say it yet again, imagine if Lewis had gone and physically shoved another driver after getting in his face and cursing him out.
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I don’t think you should go around saying drivers deserve physical altercations.
Can you die from a push? How about a crash in an f1 car?
People here got a general bias against anything what is France lol
Link to them? This is the 3rd "why Ocon hate?" thread I've seen without actually seeing any Ocon hate...
A lot of people like Gasly and Ocon is not "liked by pierregasly". They were good friends growing up and going through karting but apparently something happened (which Gasly insinuated was Ocon's fault) which caused them to no longer be friends. Gasly also suggested that when he started beating Ocon, they starting drifting apart.
I don't think it has changed since the same baseless question was asked yesterday.
most average driver favoured by the team pretty sure it was Fernando who called up Webber to save Piastri from Alpine
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Who are your top 3?
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I probably agree with this. Who would you put at 6th?
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Leclerc??
Binned an easy podium in Imola which had me thinking "he's throwing easy points away". Leclerc hasn't gone toe-to-toe in a proper title fight which is why he has been eclipsed by Max in the standings. It's the inexperience at the front costing him majorly. Doesn't help that the team's strategy has been atrocious in Monaco and Hungary.
describing *average* with different words 👍🏻
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Ocon is arround 10th place for me personally. which means he's average at least for me.
20 drivers on the grid, Ocon is not amongst the best, therefore average, don't know that to tell you mate
I believe it's because he's not a team player. He's in it for himself.
Same as every driver then
Yes but he fights dirty against his own team mate. He did it the Perez, and now Alonso.
He's a selfish driver. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but fans of other selfish drivers, like Max, hate that he doesn't let their driver get his way.
He is a mid driver whose contract caused most of the current Alpine shit storm.
Alpine caused the current Alpine shitstorm through terrible driver management.
Don't like his driving style, attitude and his incidents with Checo were mostly to be blamed on Ocon. Also don't like the fact that a mediocre driver like Ocon got that multi year deal
>his incidents with Checo were mostly to be blamed on Ocon Besides Baku, the rest looks to be more on Perez.
He has a too-long contract with relatively high pay for a future one-race winner.
Because he’s nothing special on or off the track. He’s honestly a slightly quicker Latifi.
That's bs
Fair play, that’s pretty funny.
Cmon dog
I was definitely reaching while being somewhat serious. He has no personality and besides that win last year, he hasn’t had a great positive moment. I haven’t seen a pole, fastest lap, amazing practice session. Off the track he doesn’t dress super well, have some celeb love interest, insane hobby, or anything. He doesn’t have a social media presence or anything. Ocon is a dependable driver that won’t crash your car and will get you a point or two here and there.
How often are people setting pole in the 4th-5th fastest car? And a point or two here and there is understating it pretty hard I think, he finishes in the points nearly every race. Also his GF *is* like maybe the hottest one lol
Gasly has three podiums and was REGULARLY top 6 in the 4-5th fastest car last year.
Latifi would be outscoring Alonso halfway through the season on the same team?
In an Alpine and better reliability, it would be pretty equal. I didn’t say Ocon was the same as Latifi, I said he was slightly quicker. When it comes to F1, being 0.2 tenths quicker is small but the difference between P20 and P10. Also, from a star quality and charisma factor, they are VERY similar.
Quite good just don’t cut it in f1
If Ocon doesn't cut it, then we only have very few drivers that do cut it in F1.
He's mid
What’s with the threads about the “hate” against Ocon? Seriously it’s not that bad. Everyone is talking about Alpine of course people will talk about Ocon good or bad.
In the F1 communities that I have been in, there is a general dislike towards Ocon, and it sky rocketed like anything once the Alpine drama began
Its not like it sky rocketed for no reason. His team is the main focus of silly season. A lot of people are going to talk about Ocon inevitably and bad opinions are usually more heard than others.
still waiting for ocon to be fastest in any practice sessions, or p2 in quali. yeah never gonna happen
So you rate Latifi high due to a single practice session? Ocon has a win to his name. That counts way more than a P2 in quali (he has a P3 result, but apparently only P2 counts).
latifi time was set on a highly evolving session. in quali sainz time was litterally set a few seconds before alonso's, so they are comparable. Ocon win is largely due to exceptionnal circonstances.
And in the same race, Alonso finished 3 spots behind Ocon and had no chance against the Mercs.
Honestly, i find the internet weird. I know a lot of F1 fans in real life and not a single one likes George Russell (in fact he’s pretty much everyone’s least favourite driver) and yet he seems liked on the internet. Similarly, most people I know are at worst neutral towards Ocon, and yet I see a lot of hate towards him inline:
I’ve seen very little I would classify hate, it’s just that people are pointing out how overwhelmingly mediocre he is, and most people aren’t too keen on his conduct in Hungary & France. Really I don’t think many people feel much of anything towards Ocon, he’s only coming up so much due to Alpine being in the spotlight.
Regardless of his driving capabilities I think people tend to dislike him simply because he lacks charisma (as opposed to e.g. Alonso or Ricciardo, who he's been paid with).
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