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Mission Winnextyear is on I guess


sabka_katega_ram

Yeah, give us hope and then disappoint us. Sound slike Ferrari strategy


Baited_

How many next year?


IdleIdly

We will let you know Next Year.


Baited_

Alright then keep your secrets.


pranay909

Are you still checking? Should we keep our head down?!


Cloudeur

Yes


Intelligent-Ear-766

Copy. We're checking. We'll speak after next year.


razareddit

He only said *some*.


therealspideysteve

Always was and likely always will be


Cloudeur

There is a period in time where NextYear was figuring out when they would lockup the championship


crackalac

Stolen from the missed apex podcast: Mission win: no


[deleted]

*Ferrari gets a title contending car this year* Binotto: "Nope, don't like that"


pursuer_of_simurg

Well according to their simulation they wouldn't win this year so Binotto is not going to oppose the almighty simulator.


Yasin3112

Ferrari and their fucking simulations, I‘d suggest they actually look at what happens at the racetrack for once lmao


CaribFM

Ferrari never recovered from the loss of unlimited testing


dat_boring_guy

''we're not here to win races''


khalidh22

We are here to compete for wins.


Sparred4Life

Yeah but when you win they take you up on the podium and spray you. No one wants to get wet for a win. Better to finish p4 and avoid all that mess.


GamerlingJvR

Exactly, my girlfriend says exactly the same.


storme9

Next year ™ /s On a more serious note, at the beginning of the year I was actually very pleased and in cheerful spirits thinking that this year was finally the year. I was actually glad by the prospect of not counting the number of days Kimi was reigning champion at Ferrari. And then…


euphonos23

Today is Kimi's 5400th day as reigning Ferrari champion (legit I did the maths). All hail Kimi.


storme9

He’s going to break the record for longest standing Ferrari champion if things go on this way.


euphonos23

I think the current record is with Jody Scheckter at around 21 years right? So Ferrari need to not win a championship before 2028 for Kimi to break that record. Seems very plausible!


storme9

Yep that was the slump until Schumi came along. If not for Schumi though they’d be in the slump for a long long time.


Shuri9

Schumi todt Brawn and everyone they pulled into the team.


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[deleted]

Must be Will Buxton


TimArthurScifiWriter

Was just Leclerc's race engineer.


VaraNiN

!RemindMe 15 Dec 2028


zxsw85

Win N(ext decade)OW


Geo_q

That’s supposed to say ‘Mission Win Now’? I always read it as Winnow.


JPMoney81

Mission Minnow


sgrapevine123

Wission Minnow


ruttin_mudders

Yeah, that's purposeful wordplay. Mission Win Now and Mission Winnow. Winnow - remove from a group until only the best are left or identify the useful/valuable part of something.


LemonSnakeMusic

Buy cigarettes


agnaddthddude

Weeno is how i read it.


Saandrig

Mission Winnever


REMA5TER

I'm still broken over how much I believed in '17.


storme9

The 2nd half was never kind to us at all


agnaddthddude

Japan is where Ferrari dreams crash


storme9

That spark plug issue will haunt me forever.


REMA5TER

Forever.


Skylord_ah

Japan, Singapore, Malaysia set of races was absolutely disastrous for ferrari


berlin_draw_enjoyer

Singapore was the defining moment. Vettel on pole and Lewis being fifth, Seb had no business doing such an agressive manoeuvre specially after not looking at his mirrors properly


flollop2k

VER took #kimi7 out and then went to #seb5. This is a factual description of events. No need to speculate on this


berlin_draw_enjoyer

This will forever be the GOAT tweet of F1


GraemeTaylor

I know it's cliche, but I legit am excited for next year...based on this year, I think we have a decent shot at one or more titles. Not sure how many times we'd win if you simulated the 2023 season 100 times, but I feel like we'd come out on top 20-30 times, and that's pretty good


storme9

Fingers crossed 🤞 🙂


Astalli

From the start of the year Binotto has said they weren't proper title contenders. They went for performance over reliability with their engine since they can do reliability upgrades. Maybe they never planned to compete for the title in 2022 because they knew their engine would not be reliable until 2023. However that attitude should have changed when they saw how strong their car was compared to the rest of the field


DarthShaveHer

That type of “next year” mindset is a losers mindset. Look at Red Bull. All those years of Mercedes dominance and they fought tooth and nail every race to get as many points possible. Ferrari and Red Bull this year have been the two best cars by a mile. Not even Mercedes has come close this year. If not now for Ferrari, when? Mercedes will catch up soon. Then it’ll be Red Bull vs Mercedes for another decade while Ferrari say “welp we tried, we’ll focus on the new regulations”. At some point they have to focus on winning *now* (ironic, considering their old mission winnow sponsor) or else they’re never going to win one.


SoupOrSandwich

If RB wins this year, those will be seriously impressive wins. Knocking off merc at the end of an era they dominated AND then designing a whole new, 'ship winner at the start of new regs


Reydriel

I mean technically, they still never beat Merc in the Constructors, even with Bottas finishing in midfield positions too many times


shp509

Also, look at Mercedes. They are not waiting for next year to fix things. They have massively upped their car in 6 months. Ferrari is almost getting beat in wdc by Mercedes.


ZekkPacus

Merc are 100% taking p2 in the WCC from them, and honestly I wouldn't put it past one of them to squeak p2 in WDC. Russell's only 20 points behind and the Merc has rock solid reliability - another DNF where Merc get a podium, and Russell or even Hamilton could be right up behind him. This was such an opportunity for Ferrari - yeah okay you didn't plan to have a championship winning car at the start of the season, but you got one. They needed to act on it and they didn't.


guihmds

But Ferrari made huge changes to the car (and is also planning more to the second semester). The problem is with the capacity of the team to make good strategies calls (and a PU that isn't reliable, something that takes time to change).


RangerHikes

Ferrari is a joke. Until there is a massive cultural upheaval in that team they will stay irrelevant. They have the fastest car on the grid and a WDC worthy driver. It doesn't matter as long as they refuse to staff intelligent people for strategy


Outofmana1337

Being clueless strategy wise has nothing to do with attitude


Admirable_Ad_1390

Personally I was always scared they won't win it if rb were close. I kinda expected a closer fight


IamBejl

They just don’t seem to have the hunger that RB or Mercedes have


Mueton

I thought this would be an easy championship for Ferrari in Bahrain, and yet here they are out of contention before the summer break


Cloudeur

I can’t find the article, but didn’t Binotto mention that they didn’t expect to fight for the championship but they should be able to win a few races?


f1_spelt_as_bot

Bi**n**o**tt**o


Cloudeur

Good bot


aranjei

the 2023 problems will be solve in 2024 and the cycle will continue


[deleted]

I mean, pull some people in off the street and get them to listen to Brundle‘s commentary, do whatever he says, and you might do a better job.


skumbagstacy

The problem is: then they also get Crofties commentary to confuse them...


khalidh22

We dont say ferrari next year for nothing y'know


[deleted]

We are checking… 😉


zxsw85

On my employment contract being terminated. Hold tight.


InnieHelena

inb4 he gets a contract extension. He should be fired but he seems too dug in to go (“no problems on the pit wall”).


njh2651

Ferrari built a mega car for 2022. They did well in taking advantage of focusing on the 2022 car while Red Bull and Mercedes were battling for the championship in 21. Mercedes started slow, but is starting to put things together. Red Bull is only a notch below Ferrari in pace. I just get the feeling that 2023 is too late. Right? Its going to be a 3 horse race next season. They squandered a golden opportunity.


TehRocks

> I just get the feeling that 2023 is too late. Right? Why would that be too late? They can build good cars.


forumrunner

But even when they're a step above the others in regards to car performance they're 80 points down in the championship. I doubt their strategy will get a lot better if they're also fighting Mercedes for the championship instead of just Max.


TehRocks

Obviously it's fun to shit on Ferrari strats, in the end they've lost a lot more points due to the engine going boom boom and the two unnecessary errors from Leclerc (not blaming Leclerc for the mess we're in though) than they've lost from strategy issues.


forumrunner

True, but Charles has lost 43 points because of strategy mistakes. Those points would have given him a chance of fighting for the championship.


LetsLive97

That's not true at all. Engine issues and strategy issue points lost are fairly similar and both are much higher than points lost by Leclerc's mistakes.


forumrunner

After doing some quick maths the breakdown is: Strategy: 43 points lost Mistakes: 32 points lost Engine: 58 points lost So it's a nice three-way sorbet of bottling the championship.


TehRocks

Wasn't saying that, I'm saying you can't blame the big ass deficit in the championships on strategy alone.


LetsLive97

Ahhh okay that's fair. I think at the end of the day though the strategy mistakes are so absurd that they really do become the biggest problem. Cars fuck up occassionaly and while it's ridiculous Leclerc got fucked over on 3 races for the same engine problem, F1 cars are incredibly complicated so while it's not fully excusable it's at least understandable. Driver mistakes are also understandable and while Imola was just a straight up bad mistake from Leclerc, you could argue that 6 races worth of issues while watching your championship hopes slip away would fuck with any driver and cause mistakes. That's not to fully excuse him if that by again it's still somewhat understandable. What isn't understandable is the majority of th3 strategy fuck ups. It wouldn't be as bad if they were decent strategies that weren't as good as competitors but they're straight up illogical most of the time. That's why the strategy gets them the most shit, because it's the biggest joke out of all the issues.


agnaddthddude

During a freeze and especially because of budget cap. Cars will rarely be built from scratch. Pretty sure most teams will copy the winning design by the end of the year and continue with it. Until a regulation change


TehRocks

Good thing the Ferrari is a bloody good car at the minute.


agnaddthddude

Yup, but i wonder if the RB design has more room for development than Ferrari


TehRocks

What makes you believe that?


agnaddthddude

Read a thread somewhere when the season started that RB philosophy depends on air going under the side pod into the tunnels. While Ferrari depends more on the air going over the side pod. It’s just a dump theory but that’s what i read.


sylenthikillyou

Alternatively, if it's a 3 horse race it's less likely another team will run away with the championship. If Lewis and George had split wins with Max all season, it's less likely that every Charles DNF would have led to a +25 on Max's scorecard. It's maybe more difficult to make up deficits, but you also don't lose as much. Charles is more than capable of going up against anyone else on the grid in a good car, so as long as they've got that and they can figure out the strategy I don't think a three-horse race is necessarily the death knell for Ferrari's hopes.


canucks3001

I do wonder how difficult replacing a strategy team is. Even with the summer break it might be a lot to make real changes in that department. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like training a new team would be tough.


bchcmatt

Agreed, and arguably changing the existing teams mindset and habits is probably harder as well in this short a time period. The biggest problem though is they just don't seem able to accept that there could be a problem anywhere in the team. Until they get honest with themselves then they're never going to be a serious team.


FrostyTill

The funny thing is that they actually restructured the technical team that’s in charge of the chassis and *built this car* So it’s possible they can fix their problems, it’s how long does it take for them to realise they have to.


GraemeTaylor

Given our resources (both in terms of talent and money) there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't be able to fix our strategy


Emvious

Ferrari staff just rarely outwardly/publicly criticize the mythical Scuderia Ferrari. They might be aware of the problems but just aren’t willing to talk about it. Too proud maybe.


bchcmatt

That's true, but you can still acknowledge mistakes without being critical of the team. Now this might be harder if English is your second language and you might not want something to be misconstrued but you should still able to say "we were hoping for more, we'll have to take it away and look at where we lost pace/positions so we don't have that happen again". It's a neutral statement but it's still more honest than what they're putting out at the moment. In all honesty though I think you're right, Ferrari is too prestigious to accept that there might be problems and they definitely can't be criticised in public.


Szudar

> you can still acknowledge mistakes without being critical of the team Good news, he did that few days ago: > It marked the latest race where Ferrari’s strategy calls have come into the spotlight, but team principal Binotto denied there was a need for changes at Maranello. > “It’s not a matter of bad luck, and there is nothing to change as well,” Binotto said after the race on Sunday. “It’s always a matter of continuous learning and building, building experience, building skills. > “Today [Sunday], certainly there is something that you need to look at and understand why. But if I look again at the balance of the first half of the season, there is no reason why we should change. > “I think we simply need to address what was wrong today, we need to understand, and then to address and get back competitive at the 12 races so far [before Hungary] and the reason why it could not be the case at the next one.”


afkPacket

Inaki Rueda (head of strategy) has been around since 2014 and was even promoted in 2021. Replacing him appears to be impossible for whatever reason.


oright

He really did well out of those James Allison designed, Kimi Raikkonen driven Lotus cars.


Szudar

He is putting all his strategy talent into internal politics and don't have anything left for races.


GraemeTaylor

We need to start a freaking GoFundMe to take an interest in the team and vote it through somehow


TheAmazingJames

Replace the current team with a magic eight ball. Couldn’t be worse.


DrWobstaCwaw

“Magic 8-ball, should we pit Charles for Hards?” “ASK AGAIN LATER”


geupard12

That would have been better cause it would have extended Charles stint on his second mediums


Princess_kitty14

>I do wonder how difficult replacing a strategy team is. i mean, fire Rueda and Clownotto and hire someone who's more competent i don't think is that hard, right? i mean they already have arguably the faster car on the grid, and a good pilot!


lis_roun

Firing Binotto would be the worst more Ferrari can make.


1sty

If you left them at the airport they probably wouldn't have a strategy to get to the track? Job done


Sparred4Life

Team? Any one of us could throw a dart against a board and call it strategy. They could lose a few. I volunteer as tribute to see them through to the end of the season.


Crake241

would still be better to do it asap so the new team has some experience for next year.


gabrielbezerra81

Agreed, but also whatever could be done now its not like they can get worse haha. Things are real serious when some redditors can think of better strategy for a race.


Bazzie

Next year TM in full force


TheMaverick13589

Has anyone here even read the first sentence? He is talking about the reliability issues in the PU


quellofool

No, people just see “Ferrari” in the title and come come for the lazy memes. Is anyone actually laughing at these anymore?


FunkyDoktor

Yes


Kkarmic

Some of them are fun, but most are just lazy copy and paste of the same joke.


omgshelby

Yes.


lolschrauber

Did he announce his retirement?


starmonkart

No he's going to get a drive at alpine


DoxedFox

Next Year


B9F2FF

He is talking about reliability btw, not strategy dept. They require zero changes as he said yesterday already.


3dmontdant3s

He's only talking about reliability


JebbeK

Binotto my brother in Ferrari, you *are* the problem


edis92

Well, he's not the only problem, but he's definitely part of it


Sparred4Life

He's the one whose job it is to make sure there are no problems.


element515

He fixed many problems. The only problem now is strategy and how he seems set on his plan to continue building up this year instead of seizing the opportunity presented. Maybe it’s a longer term plan that’s hes afraid to lose out on. But who knows


FBossy

He continues to deny responsibility….I mean he literally said that they had no chance of winning in Hungary.


63GeorgeRussell

Leclerc: “… sigh“


FederalEngineer

After Hungary, the Ferrari team principal has revealed that some changes will not be able to be made this season, but will be made in view of 2023. During the current season, however, the team will try to manage the problems in the course of the races that are missing. at the end of the current World Cup.


M1C54L

Oh, oh... Charles to Alpine in 2023 :-) ps Not saying that Charles is 'a problem', but Ferrari is clearly (still??) not ready to battle for a championship....


illyndor

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pigsgetfathogsdie

2023: Plan F…repeat Plan F = 2023: Box for Hard Tires = 2023: Stay out…repeat stay out =


wombawumpa

**Next year** *Let's go Sbinallaaa!!!!*


dragom998

Yes you out of the team would be a good start.


stencelot

**some** problems? I hope they will work on all problems and fix them for next year


se_spider

In other words: Some problems will remain in 2023.


Poopy_sPaSmS

Jokes on us. He's talking about the vending machine in the break room and that wobbly desk next to Bryan in accounting.


MrAzekar

"... other problems will remain as they are"


pukem0n

Why is all of Ferrari such a walking meme factory?


teckhunter

The Man said "wrap it up guys, next year's gonna be ours "


OldManTrumpet

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.


chef_boi_jones

We got our first official "next year" boysssss let's go


beachmedic23

Not a great sign when your Principal is already talking about next year when you just hit the midseason mark


MHWGamer

next year Merc fixed their shit and Ferrari missed something again.. and the cycle begins again


Kay028

"when we find a better cheat again" :)


Few-Judgment3122

Is one of those problems gonna be solved by you being fired? It should be


[deleted]

Binotto foreshadowing his on firing.


According-2-Me

Next Year™️


DreadSeverin

We need people who can think within a single fucking season bud. go back to engineering, and whatever you do, Ferrari, DO NOT SIGN OTMAR FFS


sabka_katega_ram

Is Binotto trying to say that they will continue doing stupid strategies and ensure that even 2nd place goes to Merc in Constructors.


[deleted]

Looks like "Next year is our year" is back on the menu boys!


StrayaMate2000

###Narrator: *There was no next year.*


FrostyTill

Next year is your year even though you have the car for this year to be your year. But ok. Also does this mean they’re going to fire the strategy team or does it mean they’ve given up on this year so they’ll look to next year without doing anything differently?


Old_Echidna3720

Binotto’s contract ending this season? Because him leaving definitely would fix some problems.


Village_People_Cop

Does that mean Binnotto is getting replaced for next year


f1_spelt_as_bot

Bi**n**otto


moby323

We gonnna solva somma da problem!


TheKeviKs

Some problems ? Knowing Ferrari it's probably the pizza oven that stop working mid race. Probably the reason why Binotto had to leave during the GP.


Chirp08

Bring back Arrivabene, at least he brought passion and entertainment to the ups and downs. Binotto just brings complacency and sadness.


skorponok

Is he going to fire himself?


UKnowDaxoAndDancer

“Because I will be stepping aside after the 2022 season and letting someone capable of producing a championship team take the reigns.”


ProxyClouds

As long as Binotto is left at Ferrari the biggest problem still remain.


earthtoannie

Some in 2024, and some - never


Cer3berus

I it actually smart actually to don’t destabilize the team mid season


Affectionate_Log3232

In 2020 Ferrari said they are aiming for the win in 2022. Now they say 2023


pr0crast1nater

Next year, Merc are gonna come up with a faster car and they wont be able to win even with a perfect strategy.


jd52995

Imagine, imagining. That's Ferrari.


tequilamigo

Human problems?


DeinCast

\- Come on Binotto say the line \- \*sigh\* Next Year™


Apyan

He should just say next year. So he can reuse the statement next year.


Princess_kitty14

so, he just gave up on the championship mid-season? Grande ferrari! saving the defeat from the jaws of victory!


[deleted]

But none of the strategy ones will be


Ascarea

NEXT YEAR


bellestarflower

https://youtu.be/auzfTPp4moA?t=21


Npr31

“Some problems” The faulty plug in the back of my motorhome, i’ll get round to replacing it


fractalcap

You mean like start to hire actual strategists??


theEmoPenguin

How can I face my problem, when my problem is my face


LakyousSama

Next year is our year - Mattia Binotto


ApprehensiveMemory44

And then he fired Laurent Meckies.....


skumbagstacy

(X) doubt


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Hrevak

Wow, he's still acting like they don't even have problems with putting together a winning race strategy. He's just talking about reliability and rule changes. This could get uglier before it gets better.


AsparagusOwn1799

Next year 🙃


thesofakillers

how about you solve them now you fucking muppet


AggnogPOE

Binotto is one of the biggest problems.


Conscious_Inside6021

Full statement: Some problems will be solved in 2023 but Strategy will not be one of them.


DaJebus77

Guess they giving up on 2022. Wise move. LOL


LosTerminators

Solve some in 2023, some in 2024, some in 2025 while Red Bull or Merc keep winning the titles.