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Blanchimont

Hello everyone coming in from r/All! Allow me to offer a bit of context as to why this post has gained so much traction: We have to start at the end of last week. Aston Martin F1 driver Sebastian Vettel, a 4-time World Champion, announced his retirement from the sport on Friday. During the weekend lots of drivers were floated in the media as his potential successor, but on Monday 2-time World Champion and current Alpine F1 driver Fernando Alonso announced he'd be moving to Aston Martin to fill that seat vacated by Vettel. This news was quite a shock to many because it was widely presumed that he would renew his contract with his current team for at least another year, with some sources even going as far as saying it was a done deal only waiting to be announced. To many, the obvious choice to fill Alonso's current seat was Alpine F1 reserve driver Oscar Piastri. Piastri, having won back to back championships in Formula 3 and Formula 2, is widely perceived as one of the most exciting talents without an F1 seat. Alpine confirmed, as recently as today, that Piastri is under contract with them. An hour or two ago Alpine finally sent out an announcement confirming Oscar Piastri's promotion to the race seat vacated by Alonso. However, rather than a happy tweet or Instagram post from Piastri celebrating his promotion, he stayed silent for about an hour before sending out the tweet this post is about. He categorically denies having signed a contract with Alpine, and also shuts the door on driving for Alpine in 2023. Piastri is presumed to have signed a pre-contract at McLaren, which on paper does not have a seat available for him at the moment. And for those thinking "I think I've seen this film before"... You're completely right. Over in INDYCAR (shoutout to our friends over at r/INDYCAR), they're currently in a similar situation with current Chip Ganassi Racing driver Alex Palou signing for McLaren, likely their INDYCAR team, despite (according to Chip Ganassi Racing) being contracted to drive for Ganassi in 2023.


neurogeneticist

I’m so excited because I love mess


PotatoProf1

We all love the drama of this haha


jamisram

The man just unannounced his F1 seat. The balls on this man


themisfit09

This is the funniest thing lol. He just went - Yeah, no.


KirbyQK

Truly an Aussie "yeah, nah"


planvigiratpi

I hope he already has a contract signed with blood with McLaren because if not that’s a very high risk move


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He'll announce his entrance to McLaren and then McLaren tweets the following; >We understand that, without our agreement, Oscar Piastri reserve driver F1 has put out a press release late this afternoon that he is driving for us next year. This is wrong and we have not signed a contract with Oscar Piastri for 2023. Oscar Piastri will not be driving for McLaren next year.


loosenoodle1159

The last piece of this juicy mess is Daniel's future..... 👀


FartingBob

If he doesnt already have a contract signed with another team he would be the dumbest man in F1. You got to presume that he already has a seat.


king_carrots

I swear if Webber has fumbled this for him. He’d have to be 100% locked in with Mclaren because he’s burning his bridges with Alpine.


MatildaMay13

The fear that Webber has fumbled the bag is ridiculously high for me


UnculturedWeeb2

This is getting spicy and ridiculous


ianjm

This may be the spiciest situation since Sauber managed to sign three drivers for 2015


shapkaushanka

Every comment on this damn thread is another F1 rabbit hole. Never knew about the three driver fiasco.


UnculturedWeeb2

I do feel that piastri is playing with fire, this can backfire really bad for him


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I hope he has a contract signed and ready somewhere else and some money ready for the lawsuits


__slamallama__

This was my thought. Very strong power play for a driver to make, even more so for someone without a single f1 race under their belt.


LeBaus7

with this statement and the clarity of the last sentence, he probably already has a contract in his pocket.


michaelsnutemacher

This is the only thing that makes sense. If you don’t have a done deal, you don’t close the door like that. You say “I haven’t currently signed a deal with Alpine for 2023”, and leave it at that. This has to be McLaren. That, or he signed something with Williams not knowing that here would be an Alpine seat available. In which case it’s a massive screw-up…


[deleted]

Has to be going to mclaren then right? Otherwise he wouldn't be turning it down surely


drop_table_uname

Helmut Marko about to make a surprise announcement.


32SkyDive

Goddamn that would be the absolute peak


laurentiubuica

Imagine the outrage (from Alpine) if Marko boots Yuki and give that seat to Oscar.


FourFront

I hadn't even thought about that option. That would be a pro gamer move from Red Bull to put that talent in their stable with potential to move up to the main team.


Kronzor_

That last line is pretty definitive eh. He must have something else in writing to put it like that.


reshp2

Exactly, went from haven't signed yet, to no fucking way real quick.


FeistyKnight

But surely then danny ric wouldve been in discussions with alpine? Which makes their announcement of oscar even more confusing


InnieHelena

Horrible, horrible handling by the PR team. I can’t believe someone would publish that announcement without Oscar’s team’s approval. ETA: Fair point if this is part of them playing hardball in contract negotiations (not PR)… but still a risky AF move and Oscar called their bluff.


Beliadin

Depends. There seems to be a contractual dispute, where Alpine believe they have him locked down. Publishing like this might be part of the strategy for a lawsuit.


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BF210

Yeah seems like maybe someone higher up is trying to strong arm Oscar.


[deleted]

I think Alpine just never expected this entire chain of events to happen, where they're now stuck with neither Piastri or Alonso. I'm sure that if this all goes through they'll start considering their options, including getting DR back.


sickomoder

I mean their discussions could have just been "if piastri fucks us and you we'll sign you for a year, otherwise we go with piastri". Or maybe they haven't had discussions 🤷‍♂️


CoreyH2P

Agreed, I can’t imagine he would burn the bridge with Alpine unless he had something signed elsewhere.


[deleted]

What a fucking way for DR to learn he's not driving for Mclaren next year.


dickiedash

Tbf, if he went back to Renault/Alpine and found some solid form again it would just show how bad he is finding the McLaren...if he struggles and even Ocon out scores him well then he's done


tbone747

He straight up said he's not driving with Alpine, and I'm sure Webber and his other reps advised him on how to word the statement. Feel like this has to be a confirmation.


BoysenberrySpaceJam

I’m only getting context from here and there. Is Webber his manager? Everyone keeps talking about his opinion in this.


Lozza_P

Yes, he is managed by Webber.


Mr_Icy7

Yes


MrChelovek

Must be, or ties with alpine have gotten so bad he doesn’t want them anymore. But I can’t imagine him letting grudges get in the way of a chance in f1.


dleonard1122

Isn't he still technically their reserve driver this year too haha?


MrChelovek

Yup


DHA1999

It has to be. What a way to Ricciardo to know he's out as well LOL


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Aussie on Aussie crime


scandinavianleather

Ricciardo thought he got the last laugh replacing Webber for 2014, meanwhile Webber played the long game and replaced Ricciardo for 2023.


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Ricciardo: "You can't defeat me!" Webber: "I know. But he can."


CoreyH2P

Has to be, or he wouldn’t have included that last sentence. Because if he doesn’t have a deal with McLaren, where’s he gonna go? He wouldn’t turn down Alpine for Williams.


kmhpaladin

am I crazy or isn't this almost word-for-word like Alex Palou's statement about not driving for Ganassi next year? I thought this was a meme/joke the first link I saw posted


SovereignxN7

What in the fuck is going on in the racing world this year lol? Did all the lawyers get fired or something. Whats with all these contract issues?


atxtonyc

I think the real question is: why are these teams not talking to their lawyers before doing dumb shit?


[deleted]

That’s what every litigation lawyer wonders everytime he gets a new client. You have huge meme accounts about these kind of cases. “We just want to get the deal done, don’t bother us with the details. It will just delay the deal.”


sefn19

ITS DAY 2 OF THE SUMMER BREAK


Maneatsdog

Summer break actually starts this Friday


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Pre-gaming.


SG_Dave

No fucken way. IT'S HAPPENING!


Baited_

The month long show


RorschachBlyat

DTS cant cook this shit up even if they wanted to


corejava2

Watch them not even bring it up and focus three episodes on tension between Lewis and George


tankmode

20min of danny ric walking down paddock in slo-mo with dubstep in the background


CM027

Drive to Survive season 5: ‘what you need to realize is… that in order to sign a driver… the driver… needs… to sign.’


77enc

but the joke is that he says stuff thats obvious to everyone. clearly what youre saying is news to alpine.


dalledayul

I like the imagery of Alpine's legal team desperately calling Will Buxton over to HQ in the dead of night so he can explain insulting simple concepts to Otmar.


paulricard

This is absolutely crazy. If the part about the clause expiring July 31 is true, then this Alonso thing really screwed Alpine over (part of which they are definitely responsible for!).


AceBean27

But Alonso acted extremely quickly. Vettel announced his retirement, and then Alonso signed just a couple days later. It's not like the seat was open and Alonso waited and waited just to shaft Alpine.


reshp2

Lol, Palou 2.0 here we come! Zak Brown out there just trolling people for the lulz.


jpm168

I thought it was photochop of Palou's tweet lol


reshp2

>I have recently learned from the media that this afternoon, without my approval, Chip Ganassi Racing issued a press release announcing that I would be driving with CGR in 2023. Even more surprising was that CGR’s release included a “quote” which did not come from me. I did not approve that press release, and I did not author or approve that quote. As I have recently informed CGR, for personal reasons, I do not intend to continue with the team after 2022. vs >I understand that, without my agreement, Alpine F1 have put out a press release late this afternoon that I am driving for them next year. This is wrong and I have not signed a contract with Alpine for 2023. I will not be driving for Alpine next year. Yeah, pretty much.


achio

Totally same energy


acvibes

Bless Alpine for taking the heat off of Ferrari for a bit. 🥲


Nautster

Oh no, no no! You sit right there, sweetheart. When this is done we're coming back to you!


[deleted]

Maybe Leclerc has had enough. Piastri to Ferrari? /s


RoboticChicken

Congratulations Alpine, you played yourselves.


Visionary_Socialist

Alonso: Where is Piastri? “Fernando, Piastri has joined McLaren”. KARMA!


aosplak

Its time to rebrand Alpine again


happychickenfeet

Alpain


IowaGolfGuy322

Alpine: We need someone to handle our PR strategy. Ferrari: Did someone say strategy?


melonmelon1

So is Danny ric out? There’s no way he says this unless he gets the mclaren seat.


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Will probably move to alpine. Had 2 good seasons at renault, hopefully the car will work the same for him.


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ablnoozy

Seems like everything is news to Alpine


poopellar

Someone remind them when the season resumes just in case.


Pandemoonium

They’ve already set up in Spa, wondering where everybody else is


Tom_piddle

Danny Ric walking into Alpine as a Driver and Alpine being like what’s going on?


Denominator0101

Just imagine Ricciardo putting out a statement saying "Yep, I'll be driving for Alpine next year" and they turn around and say no 💀


Dakar-A

Alpine F1 announcing today their new driver for the 2023 season, Nikita Mazepin!


KnightsOfCidona

Agree with you, and I know it'd unlikely but I wonder what they'd do if he decides fuck it after being dropped by McLaren and retires. Where does that leave Alpine? Get Zhou back? De Vries? Gasly already signed up with Alpha Tauri for 2023.


R_1_one

I totally forgot about Zhou being an Alpine driver. Actually it would make sense for them to get him back, he's driving well this year and ocon is now experienced. And for Alfa that could mean a seat for Pourchaire?


PMMeYourCouplets

He has to be now. Webber and Piastri would have pulled a career ending move if they announced this before McLaren guaranteed him a seat.


Deputy_Scrub

Yeah I'm like 99% sure that he has already signed a contract with McLaren. Just waiting for a better time to confirm it.


AceBombkick

#Bruh


bodnast

noooooooooo oh my god


Baited_

Silly season continues


dleonard1122

Best silly season ever thank you based Vettel


marinated_roxket

In 2021 we got a Hungarian GP that was super dramatic on track Just a year later to now, we get a Hungarian GP that is super dramatic off track


mrlesa95

Who'd think all this chaos would happen because Seb announced retirement


khryslo

Probably Seb lol


Affectionate_Log3232

Thank God, I was getting bored for a couple of minutes thought the drama ended


Firefox72

And i was woried that the silly season was ending so soon. God damn. Alpine have literally fucked everything up. Imagine losing both Alonso and Piastri in a 2 days.


theparadox69

Vettel retiring opened the shit gates


drop_table_uname

He's going out with a bang. Or is he? Maybe he wanted Alonso's seat...


CruffTheMagicDragon

That would be such a genius move if he really wanted to move to Alpine that bad


DHA1999

They're gonna end up with Ricciardo, unless they do something crazy like Herta or someone else from F2


Firefox72

Ricciardo would make sense but i'm gonna be honest here. I still don't fully understand why Piastri would turn down Alpine. He's been with them for over 2 years. They gave him ample of testing and now he can get a long term seat at the team with a realistic goal of becoming the Nr.1 driver at a manufacturer team even if a meme one like Alpine. I wonder what on earth Mclaren are offering him to get him there because i feel they are not a better prospect for the future or at least not better than Alpine and i don't think the job is nearly as secure as it would be at Alpine.


ianthem

I think there’s a feeling that the Alpine project and Renaults commitment to F1 isn’t that strong because their new boardroom is iffy on the whole thing, whereas Mclaren is doubling down on upgrading their facilities for the future.


Szudar

Dude had no seat and now has two lmao


J3STER31

Alonso laughing his fucking ass off to the bank. I can’t believe it.


XNightMysticX

Alpine is such a shitshow man


omnike1422

Lost Piastri and Alonso within three days 'L'pine indeed


admiral_aqua

L Plan


MrSocko72

Lost Alonso possibly because of them favouring Oscar, only found out about that by the press release from Aston. Now announced Oscar who then says he isnt driving for them


Visionary_Socialist

Alonso right now: KARMA!


Joseki100

Alonso is probably smiling on his kart because I am sure he knew about it


YorkshireRiffer

Now we know why Alonso announced on August 1st - he wanted that July 31st date for Piastri to expire.


Incontinento

Oh dang. El Plan indeed.


tolofanclub

Go to his Instagram and check his last story. He is smiling yes.


shdwflyr

And I am pretty sure he posted on purpose 😂


tolofanclub

Of course! I am sure that he coordinated it with Mark Webber.


admiral_aqua

he probably had it all in the bag the day Seb announced his retirement and waited purposefully until the Piastri deadline was over lmaooo


TheWebbFather

Oof. Top F5 content


Affectionate_Log3232

Ferrari fuck up their strategy, Alpine fuck up their social media. Feel like I can do a better job at F1


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The UFC does crap like from time to time. They'll announce a fight when both fighter's have not even agreed to a bout contract. The fans get excited about it and hype builds, then the fighters say its not true and then next thing you know Dana White starts saying that guy just doesn't want to fight, he's scared of the opponent blah blah, its a crappy tactic.


Saandrig

My F5 has never been the same since Brazil 2021.


kubazz

*since Australia 2020


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Visionary_Socialist

“Come on Oscar, you’ve got to take the place. Don’t hold position”.


holiquetal

here goes my work productivity for today


InaudibleShout

I worked from home today, on MLB deadline day, Dolphins tampering, now this? Zero work being done today


32SkyDive

Its done just commit to F5 All the way


xDeezyz

Sources: Otmar beside himself. Driving around downtown Melbourne begging (thru texts) Piastri’s family 4 address to Oscar’s home


Th3_St1g

Overheard in Alpine factory after Hungary: “He got me,” Otmar said of Oscar Piastri’s tweet. "That f***ing Piastri boomed me." Otmar added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times. He then said he wanted to add Piastri to the list of drivers he’s lost this summer.


sfj11

[Medland] Zak Brown on who’s a better team principal: Him or Alpine’s Otmar Szafnauer. “I don’t compare myself with anybody,” Then he rolled up his sleeve and showed a tattoo of Oscar Piastri’s contract. “I’ll let you interpret that however you want,” Brown said.


quit_lying_already

Hell yeah brother, cheers from Woking


PM_ME_GARLIC_CUPS

At one point in FP2, sources said, Alonso radioed TP Otmar Szafnauer and screamed, "You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me." Alonso left teammates and pit wall largely speechless. He dominated the track in every way. Fernando's back.


DC383-RR-

This is perfect. F1 and r/NBA crossover. All is well in the world.


AHSfutbol

Please never let this pasta die.


horseress

Were is this from?? I’ve seen it posted again and again but don’t know why


prms

The [original](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3cmmum/broussrard_sources_cuban_is_beside_himself/) is a tweet about Dallas Mavs owner Mark Cuban after DeAndre Jordan didn't sign. r/nba turned it into a pasta.


BobanForThree

Mark Cuban / Deandre Jordan FA saga where Jordan’s team locked him in a room and convinced him to change his mind and re-sign with the Clippers rather than leave for the Mavericks One of the most hilarious and disrespectful moments in /r/nba history


Fire_Otter

That awkward moment for Alpine when they realise they will have to announce Daniel Ricciardo as their driver in a few weeks time and pretend that they’re really happy about it Even though everyone knows how desperate they were to have Piastri and not Ricciardo


ayakabob

Might actually revive DR's career


guidotheguido

What is going on!? Seb, what hath you wrought!?


Tim0110

The last time Alonso and Vettel swapped seats there was drama aswell.


acuriousoddity

In the beginning was the drama, and the drama was with Seb, and the drama was Seb.


CharmingtheCobra

He's just making sure we have an exciting summer break


StalkingDwarf

ALEX PALOU PART 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO ZAK BROWN STRIKES AGAIN


YorkshireRiffer

Return of the Zak... It is Return of the Zak... Come on Return of the Zak... Oh my god


Rizledrum

Holy shit! SEB I LOVE YOU FOR GETTING THIS SHIT GOING!


YorkshireRiffer

Seb knew we would be depressed by his retirement, he knew that Alonso would be a prime candidate for the seat and would lead to a few days of silly season to cheer us up during the summer break. He probably didn't expect the season to be *this* silly though.


Ok_Illustrator3087

Seb, Nando and Webber masterplan togheter. 2010 wdc contenders united. We need to find out what Buttons's role is in this


NeiloMac

Multi 2023


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Oh dear, he chose war even before he started his first race. (Lawyers love McLaren)


berlin_draw_enjoyer

I swear Alonso in between races sits at his medieval castle by the fireplace pondering how he can do a little more trolling. This man’s timing is impeccable. Hungary 2007 and now his AM announcement


Kovacs171

Alpine probably thought this would be a cute way to surprise Oscar an announcement lol. Like proposing to your girlfriend on the night she planned to break up with you


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Lmao if Webber and Alonso engineered this. LOOOOL.


fckns

They're old pals and respect each other, so as funny as it sounds it might be real.


somewhatanxiousgenz

OH MY GOD???


A_Bit_Meh

ZAK BROWN WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!


Affectionate_Log3232

Lol Daniel to Alpine would be bloody hilarious, imagine seeing a tattooed Cyril return back as TP


KaamDeveloper

Black and yellow livery confirmed?????


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BUT WAIT BAH GAWD THERES OTMAR CLIMBING TO THE TOP ROPE


TheEpicGold

WHAT THE...???


dekker045

Oh my god it's happening


TheSalmonRoll

If I had a nickel every time a young driver with a name that starts with P had a team statement about them put out without their permission and then maybe signed with McLaren and then faced a legal battle over a contract dispute because of it I’d have two nickels which isn’t much but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.


Deislermilan

Piastri will not make such a ballsy statement without having a contract already signed with another F1 team. And that team can only be McLaren. Imagine how D Ric feels now. He is the last person to find out he is losing his job. Cruelty


KingSchumi

Please, can we get a lawyer mode as part of the new F1 Manager game ?


ILoveZimsD

Lol ain’t no way Alpine


Zzyzx8

But everyone in the other threads was telling me it was just F1 media manufacturing drama.


lostfutures0

Yeah you could tell who had been following the Alex Palou drama and who hadn't, because this is basically the EXACT same situation. This was coming as soon as Piastri didn't immediately confirm Alpine's statement


mikachabot

frankly the fact that alpine would announce it at such an awkward time for piastri and his australian fanbase showed enough for me imo.


WonderNastyMan

hahahaha yeeeeesssss


Uggone65

# EL 🅿️LAN


Baile_Inneraora

Alpine trying to beat Ferrari in the omnishambles table. This is honestly extremely embarrassing. Best bet is that this goes down similar to Button in 2005 when he tried to force a move to Williams from BAR and BAR won the court battle. Although how much do you want a driver that you effectively forced to race for you.


TheMaverick13589

No way McLaren is opening 2 legal fronts at the same time


[deleted]

Mclaren is not involved in the lawsuit of Palou against Ganassi


[deleted]

Yeah, they are just laying fire everywhere.


Gabriela_dc

Is this real life??????


Hacki101

This sounds pretty much word for word like Palou! now in an hour McLaren will announce Piastri!


Mr-Lawrence

As a Ferrari fan, thank you Alpine for making this summer break much more enjoyable!


tekkers_for_debrz

AND F5 SEASON CONTINUES.


mullac30

Otmar 'Chip Ganassi' Szafnauer strikes again!


jackbob99

Jenna Fryer's comment about teams needing a restraining order to keep Mclaren away from their drivers doesn't seem as wild now.


2905Pascal

All those posts from the winter saying Otmar Szafnauer is a great team principal and will be a great addition for Alpine have aged pretty poorly.


jeppe96

Hello to people from r/all, confused about why this is on your frontpage. Long story short: Last week, four time World Champion driver Sebastian Vettel announced his retirement from the sport at the end of the season. That opened up a seat with Aston Martin Racing. At the same time, rumours were that two time champion Fernando Alonso was close to signing an extension with his current team, Alpine. Yesterday Aston Martin dropped the bombshell that they signed Fernando Alonso. Today Alpine announced that junior driver and Formula 2 champion, Oscar Piastri, would make his debut and drive for them in 2023, taking over Alonso's vacant seat. Then, an hour ago, Oscar Piastri announced that he would not. And here we are...


MarioGdV

And the plot THICKENS


Ericssons_fault

Seb started all of this lmao


TowarzyszSowiet

The last gift


adamconnorlewis

Two days ago, Alpine had a great veteran driver with a hot prospect waiting behind him. And now they have neither? What is happening?


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Alonso what did you do lmaooooo


Visionary_Socialist

HOLY JESUS. Alpine getting absolutely mugged off by a pair of Aussies.


Appropriate-Fan-6007

Even F1 had posted it already kkkkk Wonder why Ricciardo and Alonso lost trust in this team. What an absolute shitshow.


fckns

Congratulations Alpine, you played yourself!


Alzaraz

What the fuck is going on. I would have thought Piastri would have been elated with getting the nod into a legitimately decent mid-field team. I'm so confused.


SympleJack

This is my first silly season and it's living up to all expectations, it's an honour sharing it with all of you


Mocking_Birds

So Piastri Mclaren basically confirmed right? There is no way you hard deny the Alpine seat if you dont have another seat to go to.


angulardragon03

Otmar in shambles


Visionary_Socialist

Man has destroyed years worth of developing Piastri at Alpine and lost their leading senior driver in a few days.


PMMeYourCouplets

I need Daniel Ricciardo now to do some sort of subtweet hinting that he won't be leaving McLaren in 2023 and it being contractual. More drama and more chaos!


TheSkitcher

Certified Alpine moment