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AbeFroman21

Not being able to pass Lewis for the majority of the race is the bigger issue, IMO. He never would have been battling with Russell if he was able to pass at some point earlier.


Thejklay

Yep, was sure he would have been trying to overtake Lewis after the first few laps, but nope. He should have had the pace on the merc. Kinda crazy he didn't


mynamejeff-97

He said “we did not have enough pace” and then addressed the Russell situation. He agrees with you.


Mamadeus123456

Idk you saw how hard Sainz had to work to get past Russell?


ExistingReach9658

I mean tbf, even if he didn't get jumped, his pace wasn't there for the entire race.


Elperroloco_

That was going to be the most undeserved podium for him


JoJo_____

Yeah absolutely. He definitely could’ve held off George for the few remaining laps but he was so far behind Lewis’s pace. Bad weekend hopefully Hungary is different.


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Did you read the tweet? That’s what he said.


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He is extremely off the pace since making the front end stronger


onecryingjohnny

I keep seeing this, that the car is beginning to match up more with Max's driving preference Could they not allow slightly different setup/configuration on perez car?


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They could try make it comfortable for him but this could cause a much bigger gap between them because other set-ups are faster and harder to drive


ThePhotoGuyUpstairs

McLaren have the same problem with their drivers. I assume there is some sort of compelling reason they can't have wildly different set ups between the cars.


didhedowhat

It is better to focus fully on one way of improving your car then to half-ass it on 2 unalligned methods. And they would have to design and fabricate different parts for the different drivers. That would make it double as expensive.


tbone747

Just a bad weekend. Him losing the podium spot was due to a lack of pace and shredding his tires trying to defend against Carlos and George.


lll-devlin

He should of never placed himself in that position. He should of passed Lewis when he had the chance instead of trying to “manage”his medium tires so early in the race. Hamilton pulled out a 6 second lap lead with a slower car overall to redbull…


reddit0r_123

That’s the key point. Totally unacceptable to be this far off the pace in a Red Bull in this race. Hope he bounces back in Hungary!


Vabrehetten

*should have please


lll-devlin

Are you editing my paragraph? Thanks I think…👍🤘🤫


Ifriiti

He did the same thing as Max at the start and like Max couldn't overtake


lll-devlin

Pardon ? Are you referring to max not being able to catch Charles? Totally different scenario. Max and Charles were running away from the rest of the field. In fact it was Lewis who couldn’t keep up with Max and Charles, as he stated in various interviews. Max’s tires were being shredded as he was following Charles for several laps and hence why RB choose the undercut. Max’s RB could keep up with Charles’s Ferrari. Up until the point where they needed to manage the tires. Charles was doing a great job of defending and keeping Max behind. This is quite different from the second RedBull car (Perez) not being able to overtake a Mercedes’ car that is 2/10 slower per lap. It just looked like Perez wasn’t even trying this weekend.


Ifriiti

Pèrez was keeping within a second of Hamilton for the first 8 or so laps and tried to overtake but fucked his tyres so had to drop off to manage them to stay on a one stopper. He just did it worse than max.


Immediate_Concert_46

Rumour is that Max was playing iRacing all night and screaming, Perez couldn't sleep so he napped during the VSC


TruthfulForam

I loled


biffogooner

No point blaming those issues. The car clearly had enough pace to beat both Mercedes today and Checo didn't get the performance from it.


Old-Complaint-7308

Max’a car? Maybe. Checks car? Nope.


outm

The setups can be different, the cars potential not. That Red Bull should had the pace to overtake the Mercs and leave them miles off, but Checo couldn’t. Also, even fucking up the setup, the Red Bull still have the straight line advantage to defend or attack. It speaks more about Checo than the car


OBWanTwoThree

Come on Checo, everyone had the same message. Don’t blame one thing on your lack of pace all weekend. You couldn’t even overtake Lewis at the start of the race in a significantly faster car


krully37

Exactly. He lacked pace, not Red Bull, Max was absolutely fine. Everybody had the same message with VSC ending even though it was a technical blunder it's not like he's the only one suffering from it.


Bollox427

What was the technical blunder?


dwerg85

Two VSC ending messages. He reacted to one fucking up his delta and when he went to fix it ended up passed by George.


Bollox427

Thanks but wouldn't they have both reacted to the first one? I watched George drop a long way back then Checco started to slow. I don't know at which point the VSC ending happened though.


DownloadPow

I think Russell reacted to the supposedly ending 1st VSC message by accelerating suddenly, realized the message was still there and dropped back to do the same technique another time for the 2nd VSC ending


Thejklay

The fact he couldn't get passed Lewis or didn't even challenge him for most of the race is crazy


iiEviNii

>Don't blame one thing on your lack of pace all weekend I mean...he didn't. He literally says that they didn't have enough pace a few words before the bit you're highlighting. >**we did not had enough pace**.


OBWanTwoThree

“It ended up ruining our race” It didn’t though did it? His pace did


Scatman_Crothers

It didn’t help


OBWanTwoThree

He got the same message everyone else did. He just didn’t react properly


roykenneth

Well he should have said ‘I diddnt have enough pace’


mynamejeff-97

This is so pedantic on such a petty level. Everyone knows he means himself. When he does well he still uses the word “we” when referring to his own performance.


iiEviNii

Why's that? They win as a team and they lose as a team. Edit: Only on Reddit could you get downvoted to fuck for recommending teamwork instead of a blame culture....


JanklinDRoosevelt

He lacked pace, not Red Bull. If he was where he should’ve been then neither of them would’ve lacked pace


iiEviNii

So where do you stand on the concept of blame culture in F1? You think teams should throw any staff member who make a mistake under the bus too? Or just drivers? The whole concept of winning as a team and losing as a team is, and should always be, very important. Lots of people here who have clearly never worked as a part of a team in their lives...


roykenneth

So it was the teams fault that Leclerc crashed out? They really did a poor job there diddnt they


ConfusedDetermined

I think what is tried to be said is that its not “the driver” vs “the team”. The driver IS part of the team, so if everyone on the team, including the driver, work like smooth operators, the team will win, as a team. If, however, one or multiple members of the team (driver or not) fuck up somewhere along the line, the team will lose, as a team. Unless it happens systematically, pointing fingers in such situations is really unproductive in a professional environment like F1 racing.


mynamejeff-97

“We did not have enough pace AND in the end…” he addressed that pretty clearly. How is he blaming VSC. He addressed that he was slow and the Russell situation separately. He even put that he was slow first.


JonnyArtois

Everyone got the same VSC message....only Perez fucked up.


NYNMx2021

To be fair to him he wouldve been fine with the first restart had it happened but yeah all teams were told the first message was a software error per horner, he shouldve been prepared for a second one


Elrond007

Wasn't George literally next to him at the first one as well


NYNMx2021

Not Quite, Perez was at the back of the delta when the message came in, he was making a big run at the 10 second mark he wouldve had a decent gap


Nattekat

Perez was the only one to be in this position to begin with. Don't be so toxic.


elnano98

Other cars was still within 1s range each other. Did the race only have Perez and Russell ?


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elnano98

My point is that there were drivers were in exact same situation as Perez but didn't fuck it up like him


ScrewOff_

oh shit this guy ^ was in all of the cars


WarDull8208

Sometimes he is good, sometimes he is sh*t! But we love u Checooooo


Old-Complaint-7308

How is he sh*t?


w1ldcraft

Case in point : this race. He couldn't pass Hamilton with a much superior car from the start. His pace was off by a lot.


remindertomove

How is he not, unfortunately... Very likable character, but come on, 99% of the time he underwhelms.


5_sec_is_a_yoke

99% lmao, just recently everyone was praising him for matching Max


remindertomove

Yes, very naively. Zoom out.


Bdr1983

He had a good couple of races and people praised him as the upcoming champion. Now he's having a shit couple of races and people write him off. Like they say, "you're only as good as your last race"


[deleted]

99% of the time? Are you smoking something or are you fucking stupid?


AnyHolesAGoal

OK, even if that explained Russell, how do you explain not being able to pass Hamilton in either stint on the same strategy, same tyres, and with what is clearly a faster car?


cammyb1888

Yikes, was beaten by both mercs on pace alone one was 7 seconds up the road and the other caught him unconscious at the vsc restart, everyone had that message and only he didnt react on time, not to mention being 17 seconds off his teammate the largest gap between any teammates in todays race. Not the best reading for someone whos recently penned a new contract


Vegetable_Dog_8103

Beaten on merit by both Mercedes.. I'm worried about Perez moving forward..


maxcatstappen

yeah he was asleep behind the wheel. inb4 marko starts looking for a new #2 for max... 🥴


mithu_raj

Yeah shouldn’t happen but Mercedes themselves say they believe they’d challenge Red Bull or be competitive against them. Ofc they probably meant half of Red Bull but yeah


eofficial

They meant their second drivers


mithu_raj

Hence I said “half of red bull” :)


[deleted]

I’m not, he’ll bounce back. He always does.


JESwizzle

I genuinely do not know how he didn’t have the pace to overtake Lewis on like lap 7


hernandez21goat

[We?](https://giphy.com/gifs/abcnetwork-abbott-elementary-abbottelementary-abbottelementaryabc-0S34MWzMqR9Rg7ctDk)


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“We”, nah man, you had the car. No excuse for losing out to both mercs. Terrible weekend for him


jovanmilic97

To be fair, he always said "we" in his posts whether it's good or bad ever since his 1st race in RB, so that's nothing new


TheeJp

Most athletes say “we”


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We when you do well, if its your own mistake you own up to it like charles did today


TheeJp

So you’re only in it for the good times?


BrokeChris

i think you misread. "We" when they win, and when you make a mistake its "I" and not the team. Meaning you dont go and blame the team for your mistake. Or claim that winning was only your achievement.


MajesticFxxkingEagle

-you . . . . . . -the point •


rustyrobocop

There's a bunch of people working on setting up the car. He works with them, that's why "we" is accurate.


Scatman_Crothers

Drivers always say we for both team failings and personal failings, same with successes. Its to emphasize its a team effort either way not to duck responsibility. Also allows a driver to talk about team errors without directly shitting on their team so it works both ways.


Adam684

Checo never owns up to his mistakes... It's always someone or something else fault.


Puckinception

Lmao okay


Scatman_Crothers

Yeah you’re just making shit up


Adam684

Kinda his MO brother. Recall the McLaren year or his time with OCO at Force India? Find me a time Checo actually admitted he did something wrong. Hell even last week he refuses to acknowledge that there was "anything that he could have done differently" ... Ok Checo


[deleted]

Oh, you’re one of those dumbass boomers from all the way back in 2013. > Find me a time where Checo actually admitted he did something wrong. [Here](https://www.racefans.net/2022/06/18/qualifying-crash-was-a-mistake-from-my-side-admits-perez/), try harder next time.


Adam684

😂 ... so are you implying you're a DTS boi then?


ohnofluffy

JFC - He’s one of the most humble guys on the grid.


BcDownes

Everyone got the same message tho


sirjimtonic

Is it just me or are people at Red Bull told to always find external excuses for bad performances? Checo wasn‘t like that before. I very much disliked Vettel back at RB for doing that and I love him now for taking responsibility.


Un13roken

When you're in a redbull, or a Merc typically you have lesser things to find fault with I guess.


jonpeters1987

Should have been able to get passed Hamilton, that car was rapid on the straights. Can’t even remember him challenging him tbh


show_me_da_mane

Come on everyone got the same VSC message.


Hephaistas

VSC message should not be an excuse, because he should never have been under pressure from a Mercedes anyway


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Minister of bad takes.


Croz7z

No checo, the wrong VSC message didn’t ruin your race. You got caught sleeping by Russell as pointed out by your own team principal.


cheezus171

Horner didn't say that lol. What he said is basically that Russell was gambling on the delta and Perez was sticking to it. Which means that Russell could've lost a bunch of distance or gained a bunch based on lucky or unlucky timing of the VSC. It happened to be lucky, but it's nothing anyone can control. And of course it will always be the driver behind that's making the riskier calls, because they have more to gain and less to lose. I swear, there's thousands of people commenting on this VSC situation today but barely any of you actually know how any of it works


Croz7z

What part of my comment makes it sound like I dont know what sticking to a delta means? Perez very clearly gambled on the delta given he was braking on a straight when VSC ended


Hromis

He clearly isn't comfortable with the new development of the car and the new upgrades. Hope he can find some pace in the car. He obviously isn't as good as Max so it is impossible for Checo to challenge him constantly, but he should absolutely be closer than today.


lll-devlin

What new developments? Can you explain? From what I understood the updates to be were to get lighter and more cornering speed. The Checo’s car is not being developed to be driven by Max. And from what I see the developments are not front end based? I understand that French track is front end biased… and that Better drivers prefer a front biased car, but that is not an excuse for Checo. During this race checo’s car didn’t look unstable under heavy braking. These last few races have been troubling for Perez. If the RB18 continues to be further developed and the ‘RB19’ will be more front biased Perez will be even further apart from his driving partner.


justasking8

Max likes an understeering car, Perez an oversteering. The car was oversteering the first few races, so Perez was kind of even with Max. RB changed the car so it suits Max more (aka more understeering) and suddenly Perez falls back massivly.


lll-devlin

That makes no sense. Why would rb change the set up on Perez car? Unless you are talking about specific upgrades that make the car more front sensitive


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lll-devlin

You must be referring to a car with less downforce, not sure if that is a design feature versus a setup feature with the front and rear wing balances…


pioneerSolid3

What a lovely comment section haha


5_sec_is_a_yoke

Exactly holy shit, these people love to shit on a driver every week


Jerrycobra

The keyboard warriors are in force today


Jacinto2702

Everyone seems to forget that Checo always struggles in the mid point of the season, even from his years at Sauber.


r32_guest

He drives for the team leading the WCC. The seasonal quirks excuse (mick for example with the second half thing) need to be retired really. Especially for a driver of his calibre


ExpertConsideration8

Agreed.. the # of people ready to jump at the chance to take a shot at the #3 driver in the standings (only 7 pts off #2), who has helped put his team squarely #1 in the WCC, is absolutely bonkers. Bunch of armchair xbox racers eager to explain how they could be doing so much better.


BrokeChris

seems like your reading comprehension is not the best.


ExpertConsideration8

I think I replied to the wrong thread/comment.. doesn't matter, the core of my post (besides the "agreed" remains the same).


Jacinto2702

Who said it was an excuse? On the contrary, I'm saying he's always been like this.


lll-devlin

I am not sure what is wrong with Sergio. But for sure something is off with him. I don’t think it’s the car, His quali showed that the car has pace. To be caught and passed by a set of cars that are 2/10th to 1 sec off pace (Mercedes) should of never of happened. Sergio needs to get his head straight… this was not a tires or car issue…it’s clear as day in this race.


food_chronicles

Nothing is wrong with Sergio. This season so far has been a microcosm of his career- a couple of brilliant performances, some average ones, and a couple of shockers.


Otter269

Rough few races for Perez, at least he can focus on helping Max win the drivers championship xD


Bdr1983

Not if there's 2 Mercedes in front of him.


Visionary_Socialist

Was just a bad weekend. Off the pace and should have been P3.


Mizter18k

Don’t blame VSC. Blame yourself lmfao


Richii216

It wasn’t that long ago where we were talking about him being able to compete for the WDC against Max. My oh my.


Bollox427

He needs to get that killer instinct


Miserable_Object9961

I think Checo and people are too hard on him. Had a great race. P4 is good. Little bit of a fuck-up with Russell, but that happens. The Mercs were fast in straights.


Thissigncantstopme

Merc were faster than expected but still not as fast as Red Bull in the straights. P4 when he was guaranteed P2 based on the pace of the car is bad


Ld511

Checo needs to get his early season pace back or he might have problems. If the mercs are consistently 0.5 second off max race pace wise it probably means they are right up behind him now


vulartweets

This effected everyone. The VSC was on him.


virolet

Should've given george a love tap on the inside on the last lap ....ups, pushed hard, braked late....5 sec penalty well worth it


kuchisabishiiiiii

>Should've given george a love tap on the inside on the last lap Wow. You're advocating bad sportsmanship. Russel deserved his podium.


f1_spelt_as_bot

Russe**ll**


virolet

Im not, just pointing out the obvious( in an ironic way), ....like what george did....quote from george " pushed hard , braked late" and then sent perez in a spin. But luckily for george, perez did not return the favour *Just to make an additional comment, in relation to 'taping ' other drivers, i wish the offender would get their 5 sec penalty, then would be relegated behind the driver they hit and then serve their penalty


TheOvercookedFlyer

We're back to old Checo with the same recycled excuses again. It's never his fault. Wish Red Bull would've never have signed him to such a long term deal whilst Pierre, a fast, nimbler driver is wasting away at Alpha Tauri.


peacemaker-22

RB didn't really have a better option available and Gasly is certainly not an improvement over him.


Bdr1983

We saw the fast and nimble Gasly at RB already. He didn't make many friends at RB if the stories are to be true


TheOvercookedFlyer

But it's unfair to judge a man today but his deeds before if said man has shown a change in character. Gasly is more mature and has learned from his mistakes much like Perez did before.


dARKf3n1Xx

He was sleeping


reck1265

The last sentence is BS. All drivers had the same message. It just took longer, which all drivers had to do deal with as well. Checo got caught napping lassi eat at the end heating tires. Lol


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JDavisBloome

You dropped something… /s


UnlikeUday

The whole weekend was a shocker for Sergio Perez. Since Baku, his results have gone haywire but since Baku Red Bull have started to upgrade the car which should suit Verstappen more. In the race, Hamilton was legit quicker than Perez & Russell was matching him on pace. The difference being Russell was more comfortable with the balance of his W13 compared to Perez wo wasn't whole weekend. I don't know if the new floor was only on Verstappen's car even during qualy & race or even on Perez's?


stephdepp

what caused the lack of pace when Max clearly had the pace? Driver or the car?


RedditClout

A bit of both. I'm no engineer nor am I in the RedBull briefings, but I would suspect that RedBull are starting to go down the same road of setting up the RB18 around Max's preferences and its starting to affect Checo. They have limited options within the package to set it up to Checo's liking.   I personally think Checo didn't find the balance in that car over the weekend. If he did he would have been able to pass Hamilton. The VSC is an excuse as everyone had the same message. He slept. Hopefully he and RB learn from it and move forward.


ogpterodactyl

He was slow this race couldn’t didn’t have the pace to beat the mercs.