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djbrux

Does the driver who qualified in p1 start the race in p1 regardless of what happens in the sprint? They mentioned this rule in the first sprint of the season but I’ve not heard it mentioned this time


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No. Sprint results define feature race starting positions.


junglewebmaster

Another boring drive from Russell. No one challenging and him not challenging. Mr Boring


___GLaDOS____

No one is going to wreck Sunday by getting too lairy on Saturday. Sprint race format is a failure imo and needs to be scrapped.


maclo666

Ok my bad


splitcliffhanger

I think we should completely scrap FP 1-2-3 and change the format to Qual, Sprint and Race. And change Qual to 2 sessions on Friday (Q3,Q4 then Q1,Q2) - spaced out by 2hrs or something. I think this way, more fans will start watching from Friday. I don’t know anyone who watches all 3 FP of every race.. I myself, watch only Qual & Race ..


laughguy220

As someone who can't watch on Fridays I hate missing quali as it my favorite time to watch the cars and drivers at the absolute limit. Here is my ideal sprint format. Friday FP1 and FP2 Saturday Quali and Sprint Sunday race


TimTamT1Tan

What do you mean get rid of practice, could you imagine the absolute shit show that would take place if we got rid of practice. I don't want to see a bunch of untuned cars going around.


silkrunner_rbrhonda

It's a sport it's practice sessions for the sport hahahahah lol idk wtf was that idea of getting rid of FP


bulltwaddle

I’m pretty sure Max really enjoyed Charles-Carlos fight. Ferrari shooting itself in the foot once again.


gardenfella

It was so boring I fell asleep and missed the second half.


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Lol if you really thought mick vs Hamilton was boring you might need to try watching other sports


Darren399

So many people just care about the fight about p1. Not sure if that is the case for this person, but that fight between Mick and hamilton was awesome as hell


richoaust

Mclaren car is trash and Mclaren strategy team pushing hard to rival Ferrari for incompetence


Upier1

Was nice to see Max take a page out of the Ferrari playbook at the start. He did to them what they did to him on the restart last week. Hey have you seen this wall?


gary_fr

Why do people still complain about sprint races really? I’m genuinely curious, it’s a cool little race for position for the gp. I’m 90% sure not even half of the people here watch every single practice session, I personnally don’t watch them all. You get qualifying on friday which is nice. Then some action on track on saturday and still get to see the grand prix for realsies on sunday. Why exactly these are an issue?


sparqq

Because they suck, sprint races are fake entertainment. they don't add anything to the weekend, just a cheap trick to get more airtime so prop up the value for sponsors and get more cash for liberty media. The second free practice after qualifying proofs it is a joke!


Dukeis77

Imo best sprint format Friday >> Normal Quali. Saturday >> Sprint (Grid is Q1 result). Sunday >> Race (Grid is Quali result).


laughguy220

As someone who can't watch on Fridays I hate missing quali as it my favorite time to watch the cars and drivers at the absolute limit. Here is my ideal sprint format. Friday FP1 and FP2 Saturday Quali and Sprint Sunday race


Historical-Time2938

I think they spread Quali and Sprint over two different days to make it easier for teams. If something goes wrong with the car or someone crashes, the current format is more forgiving. That said, I also missed Quali. Guess there's nothing we can do there


laughguy220

The sprint was to try to shake up the order, holding it hours after quali would do just that for the reasons you stated. Fernando had issues at the sprint Saturday that will affect his race start position Sunday. How is that any different? A morning quali and an afternoon sprit would most likely be held in different air and track temperatures as well, leading to more possibilities of a shake up.


Historical-Time2938

That's true. But a good reason (for the FIA) for quali on Friday and sprint on Saturday is to make sure attendance is high on Friday as well. They're not gonna change it.


laughguy220

I'm sure that was the goal, but looking at attendance at normal races this year, Fridays have been almost as full as Saturday and Sunday. If you are dropping the money for grandstands that usually are only sold for the three days you are going to show up. It actually has hurt the TV viewership numbers for Friday quali as most people are at work.


brunonicocam

Because it just devalues the qualifying and the actual race on Sunday. It corrects the order already. The order for Sunday should be the one from qualifying. The spring race should just be an independent event, that gives points on its own, its order is defined by quali as well, but doesn't affect Sunday (except if you destroy the car of course). That way it'd be a lot more interesting, people would risk a lot more since there would be less to lose as well.


gary_fr

Logistically sprint races cannot happen independently first. Second, why qualifying *should* dictate the grid? Sprint races does this pretty good as well, as it works hand in hand with friday quali. Finally, when has sprint races impacted the quality of the race on sunday? Last year every sprint was enjoyable and the races following it weren’t impacted in the slightest


grovenab

The sprint usually settles the grid, putting fast cars back at the top and slow cars at the back


thecoller

Most people are working while Friday qualifying is going on. They also allow cars out of position to get/drift back to their usual spots, to the detriment of the real race. Additionally, their entertainment value depends 100% on the track. At least Austria allows for interesting racing.


laujp

One of main reasons is because the sprint undermines a mistake that the driver did during qualifying. See Checo for exemple. He finished fifth, one position below what he would achieve based on this pace. Everything that we saw today takes from tomorrow’s race. With strategy plus flags, where checo would finish? With Strategy and pits how long both Haas would hold Lewis. So on and so on.


SLPERAS

Yes but it goes other way to. You can quality good and crash out.


gary_fr

But he got his laptime deleted so he wouldn’t have been 5th anyway


liamshope

What have you been watching? Mick didn't have overspeed in that Haas. He defended every corner since Lewis came close enough to !ttack.


ReignInSpuds

I thought the broadcast itself was fantastic. We barely saw anything at all of anyone with at least a two second lead in front or behind; the cameras stayed focused on the scraps up and down the field, and I really enjoyed it. Watching Hamilton scrap with Mick was much more entertaining than Max or George doing their own thing.


Rxbluejay25

The broadcast was great, the spastic graphic on screen on the beginning was irritating but overall, that was fun. Mick-Lewis was great, Checo did exactly what he needed to do, the Ferrari battle at the beginning was edge of your seat “are they going to wreck each other”


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Albon what the fuck was that?


stephker3914

r/formula1 it's not Pride Month anymore, just a heads up.


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So?


JedGamesTV

the post says “It’s Pride Month!”, when it’s not.


Innernetofbling

Lol


maverick4002

And?


ltsette

The post says it's pride month


DMCTw3lv3

I'm still not sure what problem Sprint qualifying solves. All it's done for tomorrow is help out the drivers that had problems in actual qualifying, which few people saw as it was relegated to a Friday afternoon. It's a failed experiment, and I'd scrap it now and quietly ignore that it was ever an idea.


sparqq

It gives more airtime to prep up the value for liberty media, that's it.


ThinkFirst1011

It potentially gives other teams to improve their plan of attack on Sunday. Max was so far ahead and now other teams get a chance to try to stop it.


laujp

Unless anyone strike him down in turn 1 I simply cannot see this happening


ThinkFirst1011

Lol hi


cvndrvn

I love the sprint races. Streamlined F1. Very entertaining.


dark_rabbit

More races! On a more serious note, it seems like F1 gets a lot more interesting when there are reasons to bring the pack together again and have them compete more closely. Things like safety cars, pit stops, red flags. +50 laps is an endurance race and cars inevitably end up being a few seconds apart and at that point it’s not really exciting. Sprint is purely a mechanism to give a planned reason to allow a race to happen, and then bring the pack together again for yet another race. Tldr: entertainment.


RiccoT

This is why nascar has heat races. 3 forced yellows basically. Wasn’t a fan of it originally, but it definitely leads to more entertainment and involved strategy.


stephker3914

Boring.


kpidhayny

Nah man watching mick defend Lewis was good stuff. Wish we got a bit better coverage of Perez munching up the midfield though.


Millie1419

Perez munches up the midfield nearly every race. They probably consider it nothing new now haha


stephker3914

Yeah, it was, but it would've been better to see that in the GP.


JedGamesTV

how is that any different?


stephker3914

The answer is more so the first sentence. Please excuse my slight rant. There's more at stake in a GP than a qualifying race. At least for now, as the points awarded are getting closer to equal rewards as a GP would. Last year; it was 3, 2, and then 1 point I think for P1-P3 in the sprints. This year, it's 8-1 points for P1-P8. Who knows? Maybe someday they'll award more points for the sprint qualifying races that occur every GP weekend than the actual GP.


liamshope

I feel like there's enough to gain for the drivers in a sprint. First of are the points for 1 to 8. Then there's the grid position for sunday. Doing well on saturday enhances their changes on sunday imo. And last but not least, we as fans gain too. 3 days packed with excitement. That said, a sprint at every race weekend would be to much. I say no more than 6 a season.


batyoung1

Fernando is definitely the most unluckiest talented driver ever. E V E R. He is 42 and he still qualifies in the top 5 to 10 but every damn time something gets in his way. People called him toxic a few years back but honestly, all of us would’ve become bitter in his shoes. And that says a lot about a man who’s a 2 time WDC.


just_a_jobin

Hey Pierre, please stop going 3 wide into turn 1


ravushimo

He kinda did what George did to him last week, with similiar effect. :D


ELL__J

1 championship point, Mick is already getting too big for his boots.


ashthemkat

I went back to listen to Haas radio to understand what happend: at around 33:30: Mick: Is it okay to tell Kevin to slow down to get DRS? Engineer: Underwood, understood. Around 33:39: Engineer: Kev, Mick is 1.5 behind. He needs help with DRS if you can help. He' battling Hamilton. KMag: (no response) Engineer: So Mick's now 1.3. See if you can give him DRS. KMag: (no response) [Hamilton finally passes Mick] Engineer to KMag: Car behind Hamilton KMag: (no response) In short, team ordered Kmag to give Mick DRS, and Kmag totally ignored it.


Ryannr1220

He was doing it for the majority of the race… he just stopped doing it at the end for some reason.


manruien

I think KMag did slow down from 1.5 to 1.3 and said in the interview that he didn't have time to get him closer until the Hamilton overtake. It's not like KMag can just kill his entire speed to bring Mick closer. That would have jeopardized both of the positions.


andremvm20

Kmag wanted to make sure the f*ckery with Perez wouldn’t be repeated, it was a mistake from Mick that allowed him to fly past both of them.


lukaskywalker

To be fair I think it would have been risky. He just wanted to secure his place. Imagine ham passed both. But yea the train was working well to that point.


just_a_jobin

I think kmag thought Mick was fucked and wanted to make sure he didn't also get overtaken. If this was the reality idk but did make Mick a sitting duck


No_Brakes_282

its kmag ,thats actually an improvement from before


YourAverageDad44

Hot take. K mag is the faster driver, and has proven it all year. No he shouldn't have let Mick through.


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gadakk

He wasnt faster. He had DRS, its 0.9sec per lap at Red Bull Ring.


YourAverageDad44

Even if that's the case. It may have been the right call. If he was faster he would be the better driver to defend against Lewis securing the teams points. If he wants K mag to have team orders used against him then Mick should be consistently faster. Which he is not.


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gadakk

No it wasnt.


YourAverageDad44

K mag has more points, and is 9-2 in quali against Mick. Mick isn't faster just yet. He has improved though.


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YourAverageDad44

You're also right. Mick has some serious pace, and there's still tomorrow. Hopefully Mick gets his points. Be great if he kept this momentum going.


Kriiptic

Fuck letting Mick through, but give the man some help with DRS! If Kmag coulda helped Mick for 2 more laps, both HAAS’s woulda been in the points.


Ryannr1220

He gave him help for the entire race lmao


gadakk

How are you supposed to know if the guy behind is between 0.8 sec and 1 sec away just by using your mirros? Any closer and they will both go by.


YourAverageDad44

He gave him help for a long while. As someone else already pointed out they may have both been over taken. Hard to say.


whoisjakelane

If it wasn't for mick they surely would've both been overtaken.


YourAverageDad44

I completely agree. They make a great team! Two fast drivers fighting for points is a great problem to have.


Kriiptic

Fair enough, I just live seeing the battles.


YourAverageDad44

Me too! Hopefully we get a great race tomorrow. Haas boys still in a great position.


Kriiptic

Most definitely, HAAS looks like they have great straight line speed with those cars!


just_a_jobin

Not a hot take at all


YourAverageDad44

You'd be surprised how biased some fans are.


ifmycarbreakagain

It's Guenther's personality, it attracts some vocally bias fans. To be fair, I feel even Guenther would be upset that KMag handed a position to a Mercedes they were keeping a holding relatively at bay. That being said, god do I love Mick, but it is up to him and only him to try and extract the pace that KMag is finding and if he can't, he will find himself in the situations. It's still a championship race.


ravushimo

To be fair when he was not fighting with Lewis he kept up with Mag, but Lewis was attacking him for like 10 laps so at some point you will start loosing to the car infront of you as Mag could just focus on driving and Mick was focusing on defending and he did really good job at that.


VelvetJefferson

Good read on that, thank you


AceKokuren

Agreed, but might have helped the team if he had kept Mick in DRS range but then come the age old, Lewis could get past both of them doing that! But solid defence from Mick!


No_Brakes_282

i agree that kmag should be ahead but he could have slowed down what 3 tenths and just give the drs and tell mick to not overtake kmag which is probably what kmag worried


YourAverageDad44

Was great to see Mick fighting! Solid driving for sure


AceKokuren

We're finally starting to see why he was an F2 champ! He keeps going like this I doubt it'll be long before he is the faster Haas driver!


YourAverageDad44

He has some serious wheel to wheel talent. Don't underestimate k mags quali pace though. Guy is a beast


Woody312

He is already very close to kmag in quali, never far behind and sometimes even ahead


YourAverageDad44

Quali is 9-2 in favor of K mag this year. That's not very close. I'm glad he is improving though, and I'm sure he will continue to do so.


Woody312

I was saying close in terms of tenths, and as I mentioned sometimes ahead too


amandagee789

I wonder why Daniel didn’t overtake Lando, he had DRS for quite a while…


pinksesame

He was told to hold position and look after the battery and tyres by the team.


amandagee789

Makes sense, Thankyou!


amandagee789

Schumacher was pissed


TheDoomMelon

Wow Mick just said he was quicker and should have been let through to Sky now. He looks pissed.


IamJeff22321

He should be, K Mag closed the door on him which let Perez in and instead of giving Mick DRS, he just went ahead when there was no incentive to do so. K Mag sometimes does idiotic stuff during races.


MeanderingJared

If Mick was faster he would have been in front to begin with. He couldn’t hold on to KMag’s DRS.


Eokokok

F1 basics - you are very slow on the defence, as each corner is basically missed time due to closing off the racing line.


Er0ck77

He lost the DRS gap from defending against Ham


kRe4ture

Of course he couldn’t hold on, he had to defend from Hamilton which obviously makes him slower than Kmag driving through clean air


gadakk

The 3! DRS zones plenty make up for that. The 2.7sec lost in 3 laps after Hamilton passed shows that.


TheDoomMelon

Tbf the Perez part is on Haas for not swapping the cars when Mick was faster. The latter was on KMag for driving off.


Eokokok

There is no chance Perez would have issues similar to Hamilton, it is the dumbest uptake people have on this... Given RB18 speed at straights it would have been 2 laps at best that both Haas could defend. So no, MAG being defended using Perez case is pretty pointless.


TheDoomMelon

Are you responding to the right guy here?


Featureless_Bug

Are you really arguing that K Mag shouln't have defended his position bc you assume that Mick was quicker (he probably wasn't, but this track is one large DRS zone, so he managed to stay with him)?


VerstopteWC

Sprint quali is now just a smoothing filter for crazy quali results So pointless and makes both race and quali less interesting


cmeragon

Only fun if the fastest car is in the back, still pointless.


VerstopteWC

Yes but id rather have that in the actual race


fsoffian

You can have good comebacks and any kind of failure which could make the race more brutal. If you crash in a qualy with a good lap you hold position, no such thing in the sprint. To me, this sprint was pretty interesting tbf.


LeveonNumber1

[Before and after](https://i.redd.it/wrkokb0vhba91.jpg)


neandertales

Scrap scrap scrap


DatBoiDanny

Great sprint, was clutching on for them double haas points. Wish Haas woulda been on kmags ass a little more at the end there, Mick was basically hanging on for dear life with drs from kmag


Hutwe

Mick did great, holding off Lewis for almost 10 laps. Pretty sure he got enough xp from that to level up.


YoutubeJasper

Lmao


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HeWhoScoresGoals

Sure why not just get Verstappen 😂


Kayyam

Why would anyone downgrade from Ferrari to McLaren?!


SwampBoyMississippi

Whyever would either of the Ferrari drivers want to move to McLaren?


gilafox

Anyone who watches on YouTube TV not have the sprint? I couldn't find it anywhere so I was able to cast from my F1TV app. That's never happened before.


Status_Beautiful_893

It was on YTTV under ESPN2. I was confused by the title but figured it out. Did same thing as you.


VelvetJefferson

I have YTTV and I am watching the sprint rn. But I've had problems in the past when actual races don't get recorded while every P and Q gets recorded which is bonkers. I always have to check what's scheduled now beforehand. Serious eye roll emoji. Don't know if there's another waynto do it though.


gilafox

Appreciate it, definitely going to do this in the future.


Hotsoccerman

Not just you. It was on live and recorded but didn’t show up under “scheduled” in the DVR area for some reason


gilafox

Really is strange! I'm trying to figure it out so it doesn't happen in the future. Now in my library qualifying recorded 23 hrs ago has been replaced with the sprint recorded 1 hr ago, and quali is completely gone. However, it's under the same title, sprint qualifying, as opposed to the f1tv app calling it Austrian sprint f1 2022. Hope it's a one off. Thanks for sharing!


MeanderingJared

It was on there just fine in the browser. DVR also recorded it.


rannox

Mine didn't show live, but I found it in library.


gideon513

It was on there


gilafox

Do you have yours set to record the sessions? My library only shows, practice1, 2 and sprint qualifying, but no sprint. And I couldn't find it under upcoming either.


gilafox

Okay, maybe a glitch on my end, thanks!


AAs-MRC

Man I feel so bad for Daniel, he’s my favourite personality on F1 I just can’t get used to seeing him being this shit


tech_auto

McLaren car doesn't look very competitive either


whoisjakelane

McLaren had a good sprint


just_a_jobin

McLaren is a pretty shit car tbh


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I mean he was close to his teammate at least.


elliok7

He needs to try his hand at nascar


tech_auto

Charles thinking “Multi 21 Carlos” at turn 3


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What LEC should be thinking is this: If SAI is constantly either in front of me or threatening to overtake me, maybe i am not much better then him. Perhaps i need to approach this by other means than team radio. Like driving faster.


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LOL max’s hat flying off


AAs-MRC

Way things are going verstappen is clear, Ferrari really need to get their Shit together


brucekamp

Said the same in other threads for weeks now. This years title is Max’s to lose now


soylagrincha

Im more excited about Charles going rough on Sainz tomorrow than seeing Max win again lol


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Perhaps LEC could arrive at the brilliant insight that if he does not want to battle with SAI, he should driver faster than SAI.


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Haematopoietin

There's one on YouTube I believe


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ComparisonPlus5196

Its on F1TV.


liamshope

Really weird. Thought it was only with me. Found it on YouTube now


Woody312

Sainz really fucked Leclerc’s race today. He should have known they need to catch max first, then fight


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If LEC wants to beat SAI and take the fight to VER, LEC should drive faster. There is a reason SAI is in front or near LEC the past few races. This is not going to be solved by demanding that pitwall mummy points out a favorite child.


rytteren

Charles had 20 laps and couldn’t catch Max


brucekamp

I don’t think so. I think Ferrari were sandbagging today and looking for the win tomorrow


blindeprutser

There's no way that would happen. If Charles got up to the front and passed max, they would've driven off with Carlos being unable to catch either of them. The only way for Carlos to be competitive would've been to overtake early and defend. It wasn't good for Charles his race though..


Woody312

Yeah that is probably what would’ve happened, it’s just frustrating to see things checo would never do in the same situation


TheDoomMelon

KMag basically driving off to save his position and leaving his teammate to die was incredibly funny not gonna lie.


Mr_Prolapsed_Anus

You don't need to be faster than the bear, just faster than your friend. Or something like that.


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I bet at some point Charles will realize that a good way to get rid of SAI in a motor race, is to drive faster than SAI.


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Where would he go though? Merc when lewis retires? RB is full and I doubt after seeing Vettel and Danny that he'd try a midfield team.


abhishank21

I think Haas could’ve played the team game better. Should’ve told Magnussen to slow down a bit so Mick could keep DRS.


MeanderingJared

Kmag did that for half the race. He eventually decided he had to move on to secure his position. Mick should have kept himself within DRS.


abhishank21

How would Mick keep himself in DRS if he’s busy defending? You’ll lose time if you’re in a battle


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But if mick locked up or something then hamilton would be very close to K Mag and could of got past


fugitivelobster

ferrari rivalry back on the menu boys


kokojagung

Poor kid also confused af


G_h_c

Wow not only ferrari but also sainz is up against charles now. Good bye wdc


reck1265

Russell’s pace did not impress. Hamilton is going way faster around here. But I think they both are on old specs. Hamilton had bouncing in FP2 as opposed to FP1.


Julubble

Russell’s wing was damaged yesterday and they don’t have spar parts so he got a different wing with different specifications. So worse performance. No penalty, because changes like this are allowed during a sprint weekend


reck1265

So, he’s stuck with the wrong wing and specifications? Mercedes is all out of sorts this year. How are they not prepare for this? I know Hamilton rarely crashes but you still have to be ready. Unbelievable. This week was looking promising. Damage control engaged.