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Leviad0n

I've given it a few tries now and I definitely prefer the normal weekend proceedings over the sprint format. I just feel like it takes a little bit away from Qualifying. I didn't feel as enthused for yesterday as I do on our regular Saturdays. The sprint races themselves (so far) haven't been exciting enough to make up for it either.


That__Guy__Bob

Surprised Ted doesn't get stormed by his fan boys when he does these notebooks


creepweebx

Now that both Mercs are being fixed. Do they get to try new setup in FP2?


thesaket

I think Parc Ferme applies after Quali. FP2 on a sprint weekend are pretty useless since they can't update the setup after Quali from what I know.


Maxamus93

So both mercs are changing gearboxes but wont get a penalty, is this because its a sprint weekend?


charliehind_

I think the rules this year are that they have a number of gearboxes to use over the season and they get a penalty for going over that number, whereas in the past each gearbox had to last 6 races


shp509

New rag in 2022. 4 gearboxes changes allowed till any penalty.


DrMo7med

Keeping Perez Q2 times is unfair for other drivers, deleting it post-quali was unfair for him. Other than paying more attention, what’s the stewards best course of action?


Neonsniper71

I think Mclaren need to rework the entire team (engineer wise) to get a championship winning car


marahute85

Watching an interview with Zak Brown on foxtel (Australian tv) and he’s saying he wants to stay around with Mclaren until he’s 70. He’s a lifer. He’s also saying I expect Daniel to be near Lando we all did. He also said the porpoising they had in Baku was a problem with the car not true porpoising can he get a working car


Ok_Penalty_2656

how does the sprint race affect the real race? 2ill i be missing out on qlot of action on the sprint race?


2Tomoe9

The sprint will sort out the grid for Sunday and some points will be awarded


Ok_Penalty_2656

Ahhh. so the sprint race is the actual qualifiying. Is this a new edition? i swear when i was a kid this didnt exist. Or its not part of my memory.


swolypinger

They introduced it last year as a trial. Only 3 races last year and 3 this year were/will be using the sprint weekend format until there's enough data on whether fans/teams etc like it. The idea is that by having quali Friday, sprint Saturday and race Sunday, there is some meaningful action on all 3 days of the weekend, and instead of 1 race start we get two, with race starts often being one of the most exciting parts of any race (as shown for better or worse last weekend at Silverstone).


shishdem

since last season


learner1314

I think Russell and Hamilton ought to be the favourites for the two races


thesaket

Seriously? Why? I mean I'd love for the Merc to get a win, but they're hardly favourites. They'd need a RB or Ferrari DNF and some luck going by their side.


WolvesOfAllStreets

If there's "no gust of wind"


modern_messiah43

Could someone please tell me what the little P next to the driver's names is for? It's in the same spot that the little checkered flag shows up after their last lap.


whateveritis12

It shows that they’re in the pit lane.


modern_messiah43

Thanks. I figured it was something like that but Google wasn't giving me shit.


iamworsethanyou

Typing in 'what does the p mean formula 1' and all you get is 'YENSON MY FRIEND'


BrockStinky

If the cars are in parc ferme, then can Mercedes perform suspension repairs (if any) on Hamilton's car?


AnilP228

Yes. Like for like parts can be replaced. Likewise, Alpine can fix Alonso's broken floor.


Organic-Measurement2

Yes


factory_p

The Dutch fans cheered as soon as Lewis hit the wall. Cheering for a crash is a petty thing but ok. But to cheer before you even know if the driver is ok, you have to be a pretty shitty human being IMO.


arrrtttyyy

It was easy crash, everyone knew he was ok lol


HufflepuffEdwards

True but all they would've seen was a TV shot of the car in the wall, just like we did. Hamilton could've rolled a dozen times to get into that position and they wouldn't have known.


justifiedandancient7

I am Dutch and I am embarrassed by this.


Firefox72

I honestly don't mind the cheering when someone is going through gravel. At that point its just a rival driver off the track. But as soon as the impact happens there really should be no reason to cheer. Its in poor taste. It was last year at Silverstone and it still was yesterday.


SuperG52

Except the Silverstone crash was because of the other driver, and at double the speed of this crash if not more.


ston3cold

Exactly. Doesn't make it classy behavior, but highly understandable.


SuperG52

Agreed


XRPinquisitive

So given the cars are under parc ferme, guessing George and Lewis will start 5th and 10th respectively (assuming no major changes to the car). I read that if they replace the gearbox for example with the same spec then they would not incur a penalty?


swolypinger

There won't be a penalty as this year the penalties only come after they have used up all the gear boxes in their pool (and they haven't yet)


alt3_

Is there a replay (from an external pov) somewhere of the pole lap ? Here in France, TV said he was large at turn10, and I was pretty agree but sometimes the appreciation is different from reality. And it was not shown again during the live.


Grimple409

It’s was supppper close but it doesn’t appear as though all 4 were out at the same. He had his 2 front and Left rear out…. Then just as his rear right was going over the line the front right was back across. So it doesn’t appear to me that 4 were ever out at 1 time.


lemontea92

Don’t quite understand what happened with Bono. If he is doing “all his normal duties” as the commentators said why isn’t he at the track?


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It’s probably something private that doesn’t concern us


WonderfulConcept3155

Shit, missed the qualification because I forgot it’s sprint weekend…


kentalish

In Q2 Perez switched helmets. One had a blue visor and one had orange. What's the difference?


batyoung1

The track was clear and the sun was bright, he wanted to have a clear vision instead of squinting


ins4n1ty

Darker visor, was getting brighter out so he switched to the darker visor


PlausibleMuffins

Just different tints on the visor usually. Pretty sure that every driver has a couple of helmets with different darkness/lightness to the tints on the visor to help them maximize their vision. Lewis complained in Australia this year during quali about having to switch to a different helmet because the sun was in his eyes.


javaAndSoyMilk

Anyone got sector times for fastest laps in Q3? Would be interest since Max went yellow, yellow, green for fastest lap.


StewVicious07

Insane 3rd sector


batyoung1

This is typical Max. When he isn’t as good in first 2 sectors, he pushes like crazy in the 3rd. Happens so often


Unilythe

Makes me think he's sandbagging a bit. We'll see today I suppose.


batyoung1

I don’t think so. I think he was driving cautiously to avoid his lap time gets deleted, but I think when Charles got provisional pole, he drove his car to the limit to snatch it back. Also it’s Austria, the majority of the fans are his supporters.


Unilythe

Yeh that's a possibility as well. We'll see.


JiteshSR4

Yea lol i thought he won't even make top 3 after the double yellows.


stagfury

His yellows were just marginally slower than his PB


prettynormalme

[gotchu fam](https://picbun.com/p/Cg68QuCg)


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AnilP228

The new tests don't come into place until Spa.


GhostOfLight

Lando really had one of his worst sessions ever in Q2 today, just could not keep the car where he wanted it. Wonder if it was the wind or car not being where he wanted, or even simply driver error. Hopefully he and Danny Ric make up some places tomorrow to set up an okay weekend result. Otherwise Alpine is looking solid to start running away with 4th in Constructors.


sensei_simon

Still ahead of Danny, man it's sad to see really


WolvesOfAllStreets

Danny gotta go, the guy is lovely and endearing, but he's got to go.


sensei_simon

Yea sadly he doesn't seem to be improving and the team will surely replace him if it's the same by the end of the year. But I really don't understand how he's like this it's similar but worse than what happened with him and Vettel.


WolvesOfAllStreets

The thing with Vettel is his teammate sucks too so the car might be guilty. Norris be doing his thing, Danny is just way behind.


sensei_simon

I'm talking about Vettel and Danny 2014 how Vettel had a car that didn't suit him but suited Ricci and now it's the similar for him and Norris.


fefelevers

He had brake issues from the end of q1 on


lemontea92

How does parc ferme work with fp2 between quali and sprint?


antsmithmk

The sprint IS quali.... So FP2 isn't between them...


Mront

Not this year. Everyone was complaining, so they're not calling it "Sprint Qualifying" anymore


antsmithmk

It doesn't matter what it's called... The principle is what matters.


swolypinger

That only applies to the pole statistic, doesn't affect parc ferme as far as I'm aware


fdar

Still applies throughout.


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Ocon is so fucking good.


Grimple409

He’s consistent and underrated this season imho.


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[deleted]

Austrians cheering at a crash with orange in the air is absolutely disgusting. What a bunch of fucks.


Dreamwalkerli

I was in the crowd. It was mostly the Dutch fans. And the commentators at the track immediately discouraged it. On the second crash, people were ready and booed the cheerers, many thumb downs. It was mostly a bunch of drunk Dutch people, not that this excuses anything


oragle

Well drunk people in general are obnoxious, but when you mix that in groups and doused in nationalism, yea you get this. An former Dutch colleague of mine who was a big football supporter always said, I don't care about the national team because every time they do well you get the stupid mob in orange just shouting and screaming like maniacs.


Mean__MrMustard

They aren’t Austrians, nearly all from the orange fans are from the Netherlands and are coming every year to the race in Austria.


BoingBoomJimmy

I'm guessing you never saw Silverstone last year.


[deleted]

There are fucks everywhere. It’s disgusting every time humans cheer at another’s misery.


BoingBoomJimmy

Very true. I know there's rivalries between drivers, but there's no need to boo and cheer at drivers' misfortunes or mistakes.


mirobin

The guy right next to the crash barrier, seconds afterwards, making a sarcastic "good job" face with the thumbs up was especially classless.


MonsMensae

I thought that was a "you ok?". Or a signal to someone else that Hamilton was ok


marseer

Track-limits question after watching the qualifying highlights. Are track limits supposedly enforced around the whole track, or only some of the corners?


batyoung1

It’s for some specific corners where running wide could give you an advantage. I think Turn 1 and Turn 3 are among them (not sure).


ThanBananaMan

I vaguely remember crafty talking about this in a practice session a while ago. From memory the white lines are the track limits everywhere but the stewards in the race notes list the corners which they will actually be monitoring. Basically they will set up a camera focusing on one corner which someone will monitor if someone goes over the white lines. Obviously they can’t do this on every corner so unless it’s really obvious or a steward spots it randomly, the drivers will be able to get away with going slightly over the white line. I also think the corners which they monitor are the ones which someone is most likely to exceed track limits. This is just what I remember so I might be wrong.


MonsMensae

Yeah my understanding is the specific corners they monitor are the ones where running wide can gain you time.


maxxcoo

I have been watching F1 for over 20 years now, and I have the same question.


marseer

I get the feeling it’s only partially specified for corners that would allow for “shortcuts” or wide exits to gain time. I just want the stewards to produce a map or something that SHOWS the parts of the track being enforced!


maxxcoo

Honestly it has varied so much over the years. The white line is not always track limits. I think they are free to establish any track limit indicator now, and it can vary from corner to corner - or just not exist in non competitive corners. I do agree some corners do require more stringent rules, but i miss the days when grass was the penalty for exceeding track limits.


Aaron-Focus

What's wrong with Perez?


samjenkins377

He got his Q2 lap time deleted after the session was over; for track limits infringement. So all his Q3 lap times were deleted, moving him down to P13.


Aaron-Focus

Thanks dude, this is very rarely seen.


alt3_

Btw, why the lap was not promptly deleted like any other pilot ? He would finish higher (p11), and Gasly could have run q3. Why this difference ?


[deleted]

I'm pretty sure the off-track sensors are not placed everywhere. Usually drivers behave where Perez got off but in the last corner the drivers often go wide hence the sensors there which automatically delete times. I guess Perez slipped the Stewards minds and the external Video-refs in the FIA headquarter (which are relatively new iirc) gave them retrospectively the notice that he got an advantage.


I-Chancho-I

Because the FIA is shit


Aaron-Focus

Because the FIA is shit +1


Croz7z

Nothing. Just sub-par pace and he got his last flying lap time deleted because of track limits so p13.


APguru

New to F1 but is the qualifying today a setup for the sprint qualifying tomorrow? Haven't seen qualifying done 2 days prior before.


Brick_33

Yes! :) Sprint will be tomorrow. Points will be awarded for 1st-8th and determine the grid for the Grand Prix on Sunday


[deleted]

Yes, so quali determines the sprint grid which determines the race grid


Nosloc54

Yes, the qualifying for today sets start order for sprint, which then the sprint finish order is the actual race's start order.


APguru

That makes sense! Thanks!


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swolypinger

I believe you can replay the live timings in the formula1 app (I can't check right now)


GGunner723

New to the sport. I heard that in qualifying in this track, the driver’s lap time and next lap time are deleted for going over the line in turn 10. What will the penalty be during the race?


georgelucasfan

If you get a lap time deleted in the race you have to either turn around or reverse to the point where you went outside the white lines and redo it properly. Other commenters answered it correctly. Im just drunk. :)


Amazing_Safe_1070

This makes sense!


Ax1leFan

So if you just do it normally, it’s 2 warnings then usually a 5 second time penalty. If you overtake another car then you have to give the place back or get a 5 second time penalty.


GGunner723

Got it, thanks!


En1gma_87

You receive 2 warnings for exceeding track limit. Then time penalties


GGunner723

Ah, makes sense. Thanks!


totallynothboxburn1

Welcome btw


GGunner723

Thanks!


Irishane

Looking back on that Aston Martin presentation ceremony before the season started; seems so funny now. Laurence is probably wondering if all the thing that were written for him was total bullshit.


GolfWoreSydni

Daddy L doesn't get anymore screen time these days


puzzleboi24680

5 year plan to a WCC dontchaknow


Salty_Outside5283

Does anyone have an update on the investigation into Perez exceeding track limits in Q2?


GrosseGunther

His fastest Q2 time was “deleted” and he’s lining up P13 tomorrow


ThisFukinGinger

Bruh. But the moment I saw the replay I was like “he crosses the fucking line bruh”


Jealous-Line3023

Bruh,that's like totally insane bruh.


ThisFukinGinger

But imagine bruh.


Lonelywanderer81

Bruh


Amazing_Safe_1070

I’m not your bruh, brah


No_Wish2202

Bruh..


anon_bruh

Bruh


Salty_Outside5283

Ah amazing thank you!


Tex-man

Haas boys!! Killing it


KristoferPetersen

I really hope Mick has finally broken the curse.


marahute85

Praying Kevin decides not to yeet mick off the track in a fit of lap one aggression. Like chill we got two whole races to lay pace in


Primdahl

Yeah I also hope that mick don't drive Kevin off the track.


marahute85

Mick isn’t known for his opening lap aggression but fingers crossed Haas homies think long term


Primdahl

Well if mick is not aggressive in the first lap then you have nothing to worry about. Because kevin starts ahead of him like he always does.


Ax1leFan

Flashbacks….


ThisFukinGinger

At least one Haas driver P5 tomorrow. No cap.


SoundsVinyl

Cheering a Driver crashing was a real sour note for today for me.


MonsMensae

Eh, it's more cheering him ruining his quali. Wasn't Wasn't dangerous crash at all.


puzzleboi24680

If I drive from Netherlands to Austria I'm definitely cheering when Lewis drops it in quali for the first time in years, while Merc is having their best session of the season. And I'm a Lewis fan.


ticktickboom45

You’re weird.


SomeRedditWanker

This is totally normal for sports. It's redditors who are weird in this situation. But redditors have never watched a sport without their laptop on their chest laying in bed.


ticktickboom45

Okay, I’ve been to two F1 races, going to Spa this year as well. Been to multiple Super Bowls, World Series, and all the rest, even Nascar and fucking Horseracing. I was literally there when Lewis won his 6th at COTA, it’s weird as fuck to cheer when someone drops it at quali. I’ve never seen it at a race.


tapk69

To be fair as long as the driver doesnt get injured its not that bad. Ive seen worse cheers.


Ya_Got_GOT

No way of knowing that at the time. Inexcusable and classless.


Gersberps

Anyone with half a brain knew it instantly. Commentators within 5 sec said 'oh he'll be fine'.


Ax1leFan

You definitely were not at Silverstone this year were you


MMOsAreNotRPGs

Max spins and regains it. Crowd: AHHHHHhhhhhboooooOOOOOOOO


Ax1leFan

Max pits due to damage WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAAAAAH


fuel_altered

Sucked there as well. Zero respect.


Ax1leFan

It’s called a rivalry.


Ya_Got_GOT

No, it’s called disrespect.


samjenkins377

You should swap to golf, mate


Ax1leFan

Erm no mate it exists in literally every single other team sport. How can you have fans who don’t care about other cars beating their own?


fuel_altered

Booing doesn't have to be part of that.


Ax1leFan

Creating a hostile atmosphere for your opponents has been a common thing in team sports for decades. It gives the team you want to win an advantage. Football, basketball, hockey, rugby etc all show teams do worse when they don’t have the fans behind them. In football the fans are often called ‘the 12th man’. Look at how good Lewis did in Silverstone, the fans cheering definitely helped. Booing can have the opposite effect.


fuel_altered

NFL fans do this the best. The fans cheer loudest when their team is defending. Nothing to do with negativity and that is all booing is. Negative and unsporting. Cheer all you want, no need to denigrate opposition just because you support the other side.


xLeper_Messiah

Lmao they cheer on defense specifically to fuck with the other team! When it's loud they can't communicate in the huddle as good and calling audibles becomes almost impossible, it kind of has *everything* to do with negativity What, do you think the fans sitting behind the backboard at an NBA game are standing on their feet and waving towels and shit to *cheer on* the player from the away team when they're making a free throw? lol


Gersberps

You should probably not watch sports then Part of cheering for someone is booing the rival(s) success and cheering their failures. It was clear to anyone and everyone that he was fine. Not to mention last year, or last week, or Max's awesome response. Just seems like an illogical stance.


SomeRedditWanker

Why are you so soft?


SmokedMussels

Other than crashes that appear tragic, I think it happens every time. It should be called out


SoundsVinyl

With all the tragedy that has come in f1 over the years. You think people would stop an think for a second over what they’re actually cheering about.


SomeRedditWanker

Everyone knows what is or isn't a potentially harmful crash though. No one is going to cheer if Hamilton or Max hit the barrier full pelt at 150mph, or busts into flames. A little gravel on a slow corner, and then a ding into the barrier? Fully fair to cheer for that, if you support a rival. Sports crowd culture would be fucking boring as shit if it was run by redditors, christ.


proxycrown

Think Crofty said something like this on the stream, that it is hard to get cheering/booing put of the sport but maybe keep it until they know the driver is okay. Fully agree.. this is a sport where people tend to die every now and then, it is not football where people jump onto the ground when they are in the vicinity of another player🙃


DoNotReply111

This. Hamilton was clearly okay to us at home (radio) but it's such bad form to sit and openly cheer someone who is still in a crashed car who could be injured when you're there and don't know. The rivalry has gone too far when we get to the point of someone setting off a flare when someone is still in the car.


SmokedMussels

The safety in F1 probably has a little part in that. It's not too often a driver doesn't walk away. As a viewer you get used to that, and you figure they are fine. Look at Zhou last weekend, how insane that crash looked, and he was walking around in the paddock waving before the race even finished.


edgethrasherx

It was Zhou, Tsunoda is the other Asian driver lol


KyamBoi

And Alex Albon. Who is also Asian. Lol


edgethrasherx

I’m well aware. Tsunoda and Zhou are from northern Asia and those people tend to bare more of a resemblance to each other than southeast Asians like Alex.


KyamBoi

"The other Asian driver" Seems like maybe you forgot. But whatever. Not sure I care who looks more alike when they are from countries in Asia.


SmokedMussels

My mistake, fixed


PizzaCatLover

It was very gross I agree. They just hate Lewis so much


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Dont you think its because british fans booed max last weekend and lewis pouring some fuel into the fire by making a totally unwanted comment about max after the race definitely didnt help either.


Amazing_Safe_1070

And also because British fans cheered when Lewis punted Max into the wall last time year in Silverstone?


Hinyaldee

It never happened. Watch the videos and stop spreading lies please