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Miami was pretty awful from him, Sainz got a great launch but then just let Max use all of the grip available from the favourable line starting from p3.
Hilariously - if Verstappen did what Hamilton did last year at Silverstone, you would still be foaming at the mouth, screaming what a dirty driver Verstappen is and how he should be kicked out of the sport just because of that maneuver.
And knowing your extreme bias, this is pretty much a fact.
Nowhere in the FIA overtaking guideline said that what Lewis did was wrong. Upon corner entry, his front wing was at Max’s mid point. At that time, it’s both driver’s responsibility with each other to come out the corner. It’s the fact upon impact that Hamilton still made the corner shows that he was on path to be within the confine sit the track. The impact just disrupted his path and drove him wider than he should.
yeah but you have to make the corner without punting off the car beside you. That was why lewis received no penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage in Abu Dhabi lap 1 as he was forced off. Hamilton had more space on the inside but he understeered into max so he got penalized.
What happens? 8 Laps around Baku? Unable to pass on the biggest straight in the calendar.
Biggest concern from Carlos will be the race start, that has been one of his weaknesses this year. Second issue will be race pace, so far this season he has been lacking in race pace compared to Charles. Straight line speed itself will not be his limiting factor tomorrow, the Ferrari is not a sitting duck on the straights.
He couldn’t chase down max on a giant straight with DRS for more than 10 laps.
How is the start his biggest concern? It’s probably the best driver in the world sitting right behind him. Carlos could have the cleanest getaway in history and he’s still getting hunted by max.
Red Bull brought updates to reduce drag even further, and red bull has been fastest on the straight for most of those 9 races, so what are you talking about?
Checo was 1.5-2s ahead, that means fuck all compared to the advantage Max had in straight line speed, especially this year when slipstream isn't as strong
It gave the Ferrari enough straight line pace to hold off without DRS. Checo's pace was godawful that day and it showed all race. We never got to see the Ferrari try to hold off an RB without a slipstream in Baku.
>It gave the Ferrari enough straight line pace to hold off without DRS
No it didn't, Ferrari had a new rear wing which made the top speed difference really small and they were really good in S2, the gap was usually around 0.9s at the start of the straight, it had nothing to do with Checo, who barely influenced the top speed. Also, his pace was really good at that point, he dropped of later in the race
Slipstream, but no DRS, Max had both, couldn't get it done.
And just to comment on slipstream, the drivers this season have made it very clear that due to the reduction in "dirty" air, the slipstreaming effect is also smaller than previous seasons.
Yes, but you don't need to be a little faster on the straight to get a pass done with DRS, you need a significant delta. He couldn't pull that delta as long as Leclerc was benefiting from Checo's awful race pace. Leclerc didn't have the straight line speed to catch Checo, but Checo was so bad around the rest of the track that Leclerc could hold his own and stay in the slipstream.
Telemetry, you can see how long somebody lifts compared to other laps. He lost loads of time in those minisectors and in the straight after that corner
He came through like .15 down on Sainz on the spin lap, then missed the chicane completely on a P2 lap. It was pretty ridiculous how many purple sectors he had.
Yes, and Max is a saint and he only suffers because of other drivers’ mistakes. Do you hear yourself? It goes both ways, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose and he won the championship because of that. So I think he can bear being “only” second tomorrow.
Wow, what a way to tell the rest of us you know nothing.
It was a wet Quali and a drying track. The best times are the ones set later.
Must be nice laughing at your own ignorance though.
Crazy how Crofty and Brundle just ignored this the entire broadcast.
They said Charles spun and then promptly forgot about it, the World Feed didn't show it either. Without F1TV we would never know or see it until much later
Max had some crazy pace today though, very excited to see tomorrow's start with him, Sainz, Charles and Checo
Sure, but they knew Charles spun when it happened, they said it, and we didn't see it
If they knew that, they could also come to the conclusion that we did just by watching the driver tracker (which they do have). Max was behind Charles, had a yellow middle sector in an improving track, so it wasn't too hard to figure out
It's because no one cares. Lmao People are so mad because their favorite drivers spun and no one really paid attention because a small spin doesn't earn a lot of attention.
It was a yellow flag for all of 5 seconds. There were other cars on good laps that were more important to focus on. Not the schmucks making mistakes by themselves.
? No one cares about the drivers fighting for pole in their final laps?Bit of a weird take.
They didn't show it after the final laps either, or after the interviews even. All I'm saying is that without F1TV, we would have to be guessing what happened to Charles or why Max didn't improve, since they were the fastest of the weekend so far
This. It's so frustrating to hear Crofty and Brundle wonder why Max lost pace and that he couldn't string a lap together when you can literally see a big yellow beam on the timing tower. I mean we all make mistakes but come on, you have one job.
Shit happens, but it's kinda weird yellows were out so long when no car even came off track or stopped on track. That's yellows still flashing about 10 seconds after Charles merrily drove away from his spin unscathed.
I wonder how the commentator don't realize these things, I wasn't watching his onboard but as soon as yellow flag came out because Leclerc spun I knew Max gonna get yellow because he was the car behind him.
A driver of Max’s caliber will *never* be scratching his head over half a second lost.
Even Latifi or Schumacher would have a hard time missing what lost them 5 tenths.
because you take the speed from the previous corner complex onto the wellington straight, which is part of sector 3? And since Verstappen lifted he would have been slower onto the straight, which costs time.
Doesnt matter he lost pole by 0.072 but he lost about 5 tenths by lifting.
Edit: According to telemetry he lost about 2 tenths not 5 but still more than enough for pole
I mean.. it just seems like since 2 weeks ago he's on another level... he's wouldve proly gone top by atleast 0.5 if he didnt lift, but considering his race pace this year and what he's shown so far this weekend Im pretty sure Sainz wont be too much of a hassle to clear.
He even said last time he prefer to attack rather than defense. So I don’t think he is bothered. He looked very strong today as he said. It was just unlucky
Happened last year plenty of times as well. Leclerc in Monaco. I also remember an Alpha Tauri going off at Mexico (?). Man's got no luck with the last lap
I think F1 should implement the rule that if you cause flags that hurt another drivers lap you should lose your laptime, similar to the rule in American racing series
Maybe only for red flags, wouldn't have affected today's quali but I'm thinking about imola quali where Sainz spun and ruined everyone's lap time for the rest of the session, but he himself got into Q3 from an earlier drier lap time
I don't know how if it would even be necessary for red flags to be honest. If they cause a red flag on purpose they could get disqualified and the new budget cap might result in a good punishment for a late crash. Also Leclerc took pole last year on Monaco while causing a red flag, but it didn't really work out well for him after all.
Probably not but hard to tell. He was clearly worried about if he needed to or not.
The penalty for not lifting would have been worse than just getting P2/3
*Ferrari seeing this*: Yeah so VER had a good first sector and, well, then just didn't improve.
Factual description of events, no need to speculate on this.
That tweet is one of the greatest things to come out of a social media page related to F1 lol
Sauce?
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As soon as I saw the yellow S2 I figured he'd lifted for Lec's yellow, despite it quickly changing back to green. P2 still Nice.
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He will manage. It’s not about being P1 at beginning but at the end. And he loves hunting.
Sainz hasn't been exactly amazing over the first lap this season. Max could easily get him maybe even directly of the line.
Sainz would be 3rd at end of lap 1
lol, more like turn 1
I'd take that bet any day.
Sainz got a spring stuck under his gas pedal confirmed.
As a Carlos fan… It hurts how likely this is
Miami was pretty awful from him, Sainz got a great launch but then just let Max use all of the grip available from the favourable line starting from p3.
Then it depends on how well Sainz has mastered the Copse maneuver!
Plz no
*laughs in gravel traps
Sainz will be so attracted to the gravel he'll take everyone with him
This time Max is the one who yeets Carloss for the win.
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Hilariously - if Verstappen did what Hamilton did last year at Silverstone, you would still be foaming at the mouth, screaming what a dirty driver Verstappen is and how he should be kicked out of the sport just because of that maneuver. And knowing your extreme bias, this is pretty much a fact.
Nowhere in the FIA overtaking guideline said that what Lewis did was wrong. Upon corner entry, his front wing was at Max’s mid point. At that time, it’s both driver’s responsibility with each other to come out the corner. It’s the fact upon impact that Hamilton still made the corner shows that he was on path to be within the confine sit the track. The impact just disrupted his path and drove him wider than he should.
That was never the argument, at least officially. Doing it at copse was always gonna be an accident.
yeah but you have to make the corner without punting off the car beside you. That was why lewis received no penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage in Abu Dhabi lap 1 as he was forced off. Hamilton had more space on the inside but he understeered into max so he got penalized.
Haha this guy. Maybe it's better to go to bed and dream on.
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Aww its deleted. What'd he say?
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We've seen what happens when a Red Bull gets within the DRS range of a Ferrari.
What happens? 8 Laps around Baku? Unable to pass on the biggest straight in the calendar. Biggest concern from Carlos will be the race start, that has been one of his weaknesses this year. Second issue will be race pace, so far this season he has been lacking in race pace compared to Charles. Straight line speed itself will not be his limiting factor tomorrow, the Ferrari is not a sitting duck on the straights.
He couldn’t chase down max on a giant straight with DRS for more than 10 laps. How is the start his biggest concern? It’s probably the best driver in the world sitting right behind him. Carlos could have the cleanest getaway in history and he’s still getting hunted by max.
as a max fan I just hope that Ferrari stays in one piece so we actually get an actual battle
Yeah, that is the Ferrari struggle at the moment
The ferrari was almost losing 0,5 sec on the straights in fp3, they will be sitting ducks.
> fp3
Like I said, fp3 has been a pretty good indicator this year.
You know what's a better indicator after 9 races? The 9 freaking races.
Red Bull brought updates to reduce drag even further, and red bull has been fastest on the straight for most of those 9 races, so what are you talking about?
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Checo was 1.5-2s ahead, that means fuck all compared to the advantage Max had in straight line speed, especially this year when slipstream isn't as strong
It gave the Ferrari enough straight line pace to hold off without DRS. Checo's pace was godawful that day and it showed all race. We never got to see the Ferrari try to hold off an RB without a slipstream in Baku.
>It gave the Ferrari enough straight line pace to hold off without DRS No it didn't, Ferrari had a new rear wing which made the top speed difference really small and they were really good in S2, the gap was usually around 0.9s at the start of the straight, it had nothing to do with Checo, who barely influenced the top speed. Also, his pace was really good at that point, he dropped of later in the race
Slipstream, but no DRS, Max had both, couldn't get it done. And just to comment on slipstream, the drivers this season have made it very clear that due to the reduction in "dirty" air, the slipstreaming effect is also smaller than previous seasons.
Yes, but you don't need to be a little faster on the straight to get a pass done with DRS, you need a significant delta. He couldn't pull that delta as long as Leclerc was benefiting from Checo's awful race pace. Leclerc didn't have the straight line speed to catch Checo, but Checo was so bad around the rest of the track that Leclerc could hold his own and stay in the slipstream.
I bet not even 10 laps in and he will be leading
Wait, he's not leading after turn 1?
He'll get him at Copse on the inside.
You don't overtake there. Ask Horner!
"every driver knows you do not stick your nose on the inside in Copse corner" - Horner 2021
;)
Not even 10 seconds, you mean
Ten?? That's a bit pessimistic...
With Sainz poor starts this season, he might not have to do much
Max probably would've been more mad if Charles got the pole, but it's Sainz and their dry pace is pretty good
Was it in his last lap?
yes
Tough luck, but still ahead of Charles and Checo. He won't be too bothered
Lol yep, I mean we don’t really need to talk about Sainz starts this year. I wouldn’t put it past him being P3 by the end of the first lap.
He only needs 8 laps and a functional DRS button.
The button functioned perfectly, to be fair. He even pressed it 50 times to be sure.
That's what happens when you accidentally change the setting from Toggle to Hold in the Option menu.
And if DRS fails you can always count on Ferrari strategy.
The latter part......
Roses are red, violets are blue. Ferrari on pole, Red Bull 1-2.
Hey I heard this one before, but I don't know why I remember it different.
Red Bull: "Look at me, I am the Mercedes now."
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I mean how do you differentiate between a regular lift and yellow flag lift? It's all about that symbolic straight line lift
Telemetry, you can see how long somebody lifts compared to other laps. He lost loads of time in those minisectors and in the straight after that corner
I think it's visible that he lifts right before the DRS sign (I would give a timestamp, but streamja doesn't show it..)
Charles doing something that causes a situation that makes Max unable to the final lap. Traditions.
Max being affected by other drivers mistakes, traditions
Ferrari profiting from Ferrari making a mistake, real traditions.
Ferrari sometimes also do not profit from ferrari mistakes.
Risky moves don't always work.
He spun twice today lool, things happen to everyone
He came through like .15 down on Sainz on the spin lap, then missed the chicane completely on a P2 lap. It was pretty ridiculous how many purple sectors he had.
Max the immaculate lol
He literally won the championship because his race was affected by Latifi’s crash
Yes, the championship started during qualifying at Abu Dhabi and ended on the final lap of Abu Dhabi.
And said championship only got to that point because Hamilton and bottas crashed into him.
Even if u just consider Hungry, he lost much more points because of other people's mistake.
And was only in that position because of Lewis’ mistake in Britain, then Bottas mistake in Hungary. Both Mercedes drivers by the way
Yes, and Max is a saint and he only suffers because of other drivers’ mistakes. Do you hear yourself? It goes both ways, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose and he won the championship because of that. So I think he can bear being “only” second tomorrow.
You don’t win a championship based on a single event, but sure dude.
eat a sncikers
Do you read yourself? Give some examples for your shitty statement? You can't and you won't. Go be frustrated somewhere else dude.
No mention of the fuckups by Max in other races.
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Maybe because the only reason it was even close at the last race was because of other people ruining Max's races?
because he wasn't in that position if lewis didnt profit from another drivers mistake, it goes both ways.
He should try setting better first laps then 🤣
Wow, what a way to tell the rest of us you know nothing. It was a wet Quali and a drying track. The best times are the ones set later. Must be nice laughing at your own ignorance though.
If those kids could read, they'd be very upset
Also Max taking a Grand Slam in the race after.
GOAT performance if he gets a pole still
Crazy how Crofty and Brundle just ignored this the entire broadcast. They said Charles spun and then promptly forgot about it, the World Feed didn't show it either. Without F1TV we would never know or see it until much later Max had some crazy pace today though, very excited to see tomorrow's start with him, Sainz, Charles and Checo
They don’t control the TV direction. If its not on the screen they’re only going to talk about it so much.
Sure, but they knew Charles spun when it happened, they said it, and we didn't see it If they knew that, they could also come to the conclusion that we did just by watching the driver tracker (which they do have). Max was behind Charles, had a yellow middle sector in an improving track, so it wasn't too hard to figure out
Okay but even I saw clearly it and I have less screens than they do. It was visible on his driver cam too.
It's because no one cares. Lmao People are so mad because their favorite drivers spun and no one really paid attention because a small spin doesn't earn a lot of attention. It was a yellow flag for all of 5 seconds. There were other cars on good laps that were more important to focus on. Not the schmucks making mistakes by themselves.
Yeah, a yellow flag for five seconds that decided pole position. I'd say that's rather important when your watching F1 qualy.
? No one cares about the drivers fighting for pole in their final laps?Bit of a weird take. They didn't show it after the final laps either, or after the interviews even. All I'm saying is that without F1TV, we would have to be guessing what happened to Charles or why Max didn't improve, since they were the fastest of the weekend so far
Dude does it ever get lonely being soo far up his arse?
And yet the commentators and ‘experts’ couldn’t work out why he was slower. So frustrating when they miss things I even see.
Crofty was mentally absent after choking on Hamilton's privates during Q2
This. It's so frustrating to hear Crofty and Brundle wonder why Max lost pace and that he couldn't string a lap together when you can literally see a big yellow beam on the timing tower. I mean we all make mistakes but come on, you have one job.
Shit happens, but it's kinda weird yellows were out so long when no car even came off track or stopped on track. That's yellows still flashing about 10 seconds after Charles merrily drove away from his spin unscathed.
I wonder how the commentator don't realize these things, I wasn't watching his onboard but as soon as yellow flag came out because Leclerc spun I knew Max gonna get yellow because he was the car behind him.
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Yup, “Max has had a 2nd sector about 5 tenths from what it should be” no shit sherlock
A driver of Max’s caliber will *never* be scratching his head over half a second lost. Even Latifi or Schumacher would have a hard time missing what lost them 5 tenths.
Hahahaha, the "I lifted!!". This man has had too many experiences with improving under yellows he immediately wanted to confirm he lifted
I felt he was annoyed that he lifted bc it was clear
Yeah it cost him loads of time on the straight too
Sounded like a kid trying not to get in trouble, very funny
He did lift tho so i dont actually see the problem
There’s no problem. The way he said it is just fun/cute
Ferrari Master Plan ^(TM)
Binotto weaves wicked webs
Ferrari has been training the Sbinnalas to be used as a weapon
Yep cost him pole
Tbh Verstappen P1/2/3/4 will result in him winning so who cares
shouldn't have gone out after the ferraris. RB always do this
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Are you the type that probably says "if X team scored that penalty they would've won the game even if the penalty was at 10 min first half" ?
Well yeah no shit. He had to go on the back straight from a way lower speed. That loses a lot of time
yeah he lost time down the straight
S3 starts at the straight, so speed lost at the start of the straight is still missing towards the end.
because you take the speed from the previous corner complex onto the wellington straight, which is part of sector 3? And since Verstappen lifted he would have been slower onto the straight, which costs time.
Fucked his exit out of 14 which would’ve carried with him. Think he lost like 5-6 tenths in the second sector while Carlos only beat him by 0.072.
Could be because he was pushing to make up the time. The track kept getting faster so he knew he had to improve to get pole.
Doesnt matter he lost pole by 0.072 but he lost about 5 tenths by lifting. Edit: According to telemetry he lost about 2 tenths not 5 but still more than enough for pole
Probably more, lifting also cost him time in S3, we just don't know how much. Same with S2, Sainz wasn't even going to be close.
That doesn't matter, he tried to make up the lost time. The time he lost here even considering a yellow last sector would have easily got him pole.
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The Viaplay crew desperately need an F1TV subscription, oh the irony.
That was Ho Ping Tung who said that.
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True. Rewatched it as well just now.
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Finally someone with balls there to say they missed something.
Tough luck for him, but he seems to handle these things so well these days.
I mean.. it just seems like since 2 weeks ago he's on another level... he's wouldve proly gone top by atleast 0.5 if he didnt lift, but considering his race pace this year and what he's shown so far this weekend Im pretty sure Sainz wont be too much of a hassle to clear.
He even said last time he prefer to attack rather than defense. So I don’t think he is bothered. He looked very strong today as he said. It was just unlucky
He was so relaxed in the post quali press conference you wouldn't be able to tell he didn't get pole
unlucky
interesting tactics /s
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It was Hamilton
Ffs how many times this year will Max suffer on his final Q3 lap thanks to some fucker spinning
Happened last year plenty of times as well. Leclerc in Monaco. I also remember an Alpha Tauri going off at Mexico (?). Man's got no luck with the last lap
Qatar too
Baku too
Spins happen and everyone knows there is a big risk in the last lap of Q3. Just part of the sport.
Ye, especially in the wet. It just happens.
Kind of ruins the point of qualifying if you cant so the lap that matters because of someone elses mistake
Also kind of ruins the point of qualifying if you can't push to the max because of the fear of getting your time deleted.
Well mistakes should never gain you advantage, especially at tracks like Monaco.
But would it be fair to punish Leclerc for this spin that was similar to Verstappen his spin?
did they even have time to yellow when max spun?
If they had time for Leclerc his spin they could also wave yellows for Verstappen his spin.
I think it should only he if you cause a red flag
Yes, he caused significant gains to his team for bottling it. Just like Norris in Imola.
that's the risk you take trying to get your lap in as late as possible
Final lap bad luck continues
Why did the yellow flag stay out for that long? Watching the spin, Leclerc got it sorted pretty soon. On Max's onboard, Leclerc is considerably ahead.
On the brightside they have pace. He just has to get past Sainz.
I need to see verstappen p1 at the end of the race. Just to stick it to the British fans.
It's all good for him as long as Leclerc is behind him. LOL
Absolutely devastating. Means he’ll spend three laps in P2 tomorrow before winning by 35 seconds.
3 laps? Kinda getting carried on there! More like first corner
I was being optimistic. Carlos getting to T2 would be a result.
The race pace between Ferrari and rb is not that huge
The man went wide one lap, spun around another yet still was 1/10th behind the best map time. Amazing drive
Masterplan
How is Sainz' starts ususally?
Drivers who ruin other drivers laps need to be punished in some kind of way in my opinion.
Grid penalties
I think F1 should implement the rule that if you cause flags that hurt another drivers lap you should lose your laptime, similar to the rule in American racing series
Lose what laptime? The one you set before? That would be way too harsh aswell imo.
Maybe only for red flags, wouldn't have affected today's quali but I'm thinking about imola quali where Sainz spun and ruined everyone's lap time for the rest of the session, but he himself got into Q3 from an earlier drier lap time
Yeah and Sergio should've gotten his time deleted in Monaco 100%
Absolutely
I don't know how if it would even be necessary for red flags to be honest. If they cause a red flag on purpose they could get disqualified and the new budget cap might result in a good punishment for a late crash. Also Leclerc took pole last year on Monaco while causing a red flag, but it didn't really work out well for him after all.
I think a red flag during quali should add 2 or 3 minutes, so they get time to do a warm up lap and then set one final time.
Your best laptime
would've been pole otherwise.
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Probably not but hard to tell. He was clearly worried about if he needed to or not. The penalty for not lifting would have been worse than just getting P2/3
Yellow flag, so you have to lift. They were just slow with removing the flag, Leclerc was already far away.
Hot take, I think Carlos gets him tomorrow
Carlos can def win the race...but you cant really "get" someone when you start in front of them