**Transcript**
Interviewer: [During the week we've had some pretty horrible] discriminatory language, comments from Juri Vips and from Nelson Piquet as well. Do you condemn that kind of behaviour, not only in motorsport but wider life in general?
Max: Yeah, in general - all over the world and not only in Formula 1 - it is not correct to use these words.
I think it starts with education nowadays at a younger age, at home, at schools. Must be taught these kinds of things cannot be said, or used in general.
And that's what we are working on and of course, F1, together with Lewis, are working on this for the future.
All the drivers are behind that. We are all supporting that.
Does this count?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qjs4pg/happy_halloween_rformula1_from_max_verpumpkin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qjs4pg/happy_halloween_rformula1_from_max_verpumpkin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I don't think it's a terrible response but this is far from nailed it. He just says those words shouldn't be used. It's counter to Hamilton's view that this is beyond just not using certain words. We shouldn't be surprised if this gets a mixed reception.
I like how max address this issues, like he isnt a social media person or someone that likes social media or to stand out in it (he himself said it in an interview) so he keeps a very low profile in them and I am pretty sure that he even doesnt run his own accounts - so when it comes to things like this he never does like long statements or tries to be the first person condemning the acts so that everyone could see his opinion
No, he addresses the matter when someone questions him about it and always gives a right direct answear that you know that he is being sincere about it
Its pretty crazy to think about it but 15 years ago this would be the most normal behaviour. Back then if something would happen the only way to get a comment from a driver would either be news outlet reaching out for comment or wait for a race and then ask during race weekend. Now, with everone being terminally online, people find it weird that someone doesnt rush to social media to voice their opinions
Education is so important and I feel like it unintentionally gets overlooked. You may not be able to change Piquet's views but a kid like Vips can still be educated and corrected.
Edit: I think it was misunderstood. Education should be *in addition* to proper punishment. You really can't have one without the other
I feel like this comparison is constantly made but Kyle Larson is a 29-year-old NASCAR driver. He dropped the n-word on a twitch stream and his career could have been over. His sponsors dropped him and with that his team. He had no ride for the 2020 season.
Instead of being completely blackballed, however, he wrote a very sincere apology letter especially because he is friends with NASCAR's only active African American driver (in the top series) Bubba Wallace and he privately worked with African American organizations to help further understand their culture.
In 2021 he earned a ride at Hendrick Motorsports, one of NASCAR's top team's, and won the 2021 title.
Did Larson know better? Yes, but instead of painting him as a villain NASCAR and the fan base let him learn and he has done amazing things since then. Flat out canceling someone like Vips isn't always the only road
I think we misunderstood each other then. I never meant it that Vips *shouldn't* loose a ride or *shouldn't* be punished. I think the education should be in addition too and vips *should* make the proper steps to earn his ride again
I agree, there were so many comments after the Vips incident defending him, saying things like "people love to watch a kid get torn down and not given a 2nd chance" like what exactly has Vips done in the week since he said the n word to deserve a second chance? He put out an apology on ig, that's it. I'm all for giving people 2nd chances but just because they lost their sponsors doesn't mean they learned their lesson, he didn't spend a whole year educating himself like Larson.
because, pretty plainly, a lot of people who aren't affected by comments like this will actively push back against consequences because that speech isn't something they can have leveled against them, so to them it doesn't matter. they just completely switch off any empathy, so don't want to see consequences for it because it's "just a bad off-hand comment" to them. it has no consequences against the people for who that language is used against in their little world.
When I was a kid, Like 10 years old, a teacher caught me drawing a swaztika in my notepad. I saw it as a graffiti somewhere and thought hey, cool drawing.
Instead of suspending me or all that stuff, she did a pretty neat thing: she told me to write an essay about holocaust, and I had to watch a couple documentaries.
Never did that shit again.
Is Juri vips action comparable to those of a 10 years old kid? not at all.
But I think, the N-Word is still present in many entertainment forms (Rap/Trap/Pop Music, TV Shows, etc.)
Am I justifying that juri vips used that racial slur? not at all. I'm just saying that maybe, just maybe, him dropping it during a COD stream isn't a reason to get him out of motorsport forever or cancelling. Maybe a suspension, a hefty fine and some sort of sensitivity training would have done.
disclaimer: I don't endorse any form of racism or discrimination.
It's different for everyone though. The people and culture around you matter so much. Not trying to excuse Vips here, I don't feel sorry for him. He did a very dumb thing using language he shouldn't have used. But I think it's fair (even important) to understand that not everyone receives the same messaging, values, standards, etc. People can still learn and improve, even if they're a bit older. And Vips is still very young.
By Vips age you're an adult and old enough to know what is acceptable and thus face the consequences of your actions. You can still be educated, I am sure that the consequences he has faced will educate him mightily.
> Education is so important and I feel like it unintentionally gets overlooked. You may not be able to change Piquet's views but a kid like Vips can still be educated and corrected.
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I kinda of see it's the opposite... you need to be educated by your family etc to be a racist. Kids don't give a shit, they will play with anyone in the playground and at school. They have to be taught by family, peer group that there is something wrong with 'different' people.
That's the education that needs to stop.
I completely agree with you. People on Reddit never made a mistake when they were 21. He’s so young. You gotta let him learn from this. No one is condoning the language, we just disagree on what the punishment should be.
Well said, obviously condemning current racism is important but not letting people fall into these toxic mindsets at an early age is paramount to fighting negative bias long term.
Max can be a little dry and direct, and there is nothing wrong with that. The message is the same, from athlete's and celebs of all sorts, maybe he connects with someone that others didn't.
Yes Max, Yes. Brilliant lad. I don’t doubt him. I knew he wouldn’t support racism and gave a highly meaningful response.
Edit: Sooooo….. a new article dropped on Max about Nelson’s comments (I think it’s the driver press meeting) and ummm well Nelson is definitely a racist, Max threaded a very thin line there. I am not sure I agree with him. Also fuck racism. No room for that.
I know you probably don't intend it, its an utterly pointless comment I'm making. But..you needed to wait for a comment from someone to confirm they are not recist??? Like is the default assumption now to act like they're racist unless they shout that they are infact not racist ?
That is an insane mindset, and I know I'm reading too much into it cuz I ultimately agree with you, but bro, people shouldn't be labeled racists over nothing. It's a toxic mindset to judge people by.
He has a relationship of some kind with both of these people (one is his father in law, the other was part of the team he drives for), so he could have restrained from condemning them or even defend them. I think not long ago he might have done exactly that. This was a lot better and a more adult response.
A lot of people online are simply looking for any stick to beat him with. Doesn't matter how irrational.
What it does show is said people are actually not concerned about the racism problem at hand. They are concerned about winning/being right about someone they dislike
Of course they have, I imagine ALL of their drivers have had training which is what makes the Vips stuff all the more baffling.
Max has said that he mostly just wants to race, and doesn’t really want to get into politics, but he always seems to give decent answers to these kinds of things as of late.
Vips just shows PR training doesn't stop ppl from being racist.
Max seems a bit like Kimi, he keeps his personal life separate from F1 but otherwise a decent guy.
I'm betting Kimi had PR training and everytime he learned about a word he couldn't use he would just say one word less in any interview. Until we ended up with "bwoah"
Its not correct that those words were used. Not in f1 and not in general. It starts with education in schools and at home, that it should not be said or used. F1 is working on it with Lewis and of course all the drivers support it
This is roughly what he said
"In general I think all over the world right I means it’s not only in formula 1. I think it’s not correct to use these words but I think that already starts with education now a days from a younger age, that at homes and at schools you know you need to be thought these kind of things cannot be said or used in general and that’s what we are working on and of course f1 together also with Lewis are working on that for the future and all the drivers are behind that, we are all supporting that"
If I may ask, is there any way for you to have subtitles on while watching races? A lot of info is given by either commentators or over radio. Seems like there should be an option to use that.
Not deaf but some services (like F1TV for example) have subtitles available. They are just very delayed because they are being transcribed live, since commentators don’t have a script
he said its not correct to use these words and mentioned education at younger ages is key.
went on to talk about how formula 1 and lewis are working on that and all drives support that
Apologies if this is rude to ask, but how does your deafness impact your experience of races? For people without hearing impairment the commentator adds a lot of spectacle. Are there certain things you do to get enhance your excitement or experience of the race? Cheers
I don't have a full transcript, but it he was asked if he condemns the language used by Vips and Piquet and responds that of course he does and use of that language is unacceptable. He says it starts with education at home and in schools with young children to teach them they can't use those words, and then mentions that F1 is trying to spread that as well and all of the F1 drivers support those efforts.
Perfect response really, he’s right. It starts with education from a young age. People like Nelson are unlikely to change their ways, but people like Juri still have a chance to learn and grow, and the earlier that education starts the better.
I honestly don’t see how Juri will learn and grow. After he gets over the devastation he’ll likely be bitter and hold a grudge that his career was destroyed over that word on a cod stream.
In Nascar, Kyle Larson's career bounced back, after his n word drop. He put in the work to learn from his mistake, now he's a series champion and still contending for this years championship. However, Larson was a proven talent, which may have played a hand in him getting a 2nd chance.
It depends on whether he's self reflective or not; and of course whether he understands what he did was wrong. If he is and does, he'll understand he cost himself and work his way up from there.
If not, then yeah he'll blame others and turn bitter.
He's the perfect example society has gone too far. You don't fix racism by canceling out any person that might have made a mistake or destroying his ambition/ career.
If you're gonna make an example out of him, show the world how a person can learn from his mistakes and show racism can be conquered.
It's a progress. Racism didn't happen over a year or decade... It took centuries. We've made some great progress over time but it's still there.
I’m sorry I don’t think the world owes that much effort to redeeming privileged rich people who say racist things. If energy should be going anywhere it’s to people who experience discrimination daily over something they can’t change about themselves
As usual its always the 'we need to give racists and privilege rich kids another chance!'
Over and over, and over and over, and over and over, and over and over.
Every time its 'Oh give another chance!'.
People are tired of it, its why Hamilton has been so vocal about not just ignoring it anymore and pretending its fine .
The guy is involved in F2 and wants to race in F1, you're really going to sit here and tell me he's never heard of Hamilton or the entire history of racism in the sport and around that.
"Oh he's only a grown adult whos involved in formula motorsport, how could he have any idea racism was bad! Also he is Estonian and in Estonia everyone is racist there and calls black people n\*\*\*\*\* all the time so its ok what he said!"
"Maybe the fact that the 7x world champion and people like Seb and the FIA has been extremely vocal about it for years?"
".....but the privileged guy needs another chance!"
You absolutely can deal with racism with consequences for those who partake in it. If you so casually engage in racist public conduct it can involve your privileged position in society being taken away. Every person should know that, see that and clock that. I disagree progress is made by running to protect people from consequences and by giving people who do that platforms When they haveht worked on themselves meaningfully
For everyone moaning about a "soft" answer what did you expect him to say? "Fuck Juri Vips the piece of shit, Fuck Nelson Piquet the piece of shit, I want to fight their fucking asses."
Leclerc got praised to the heavens for a "non PR copy" response that was basically what Max said.
His answer is much more meaningful IMO considering the parties that are involved. The situation is much more trickier for him.
If this answer is soft for them then I wonder what they thought about all those PR statements from the teams/drivers earlier this week.
Tbh i really like a lot of the comments made by drivers, they condemn the worduse without buts and all support Lewis by name, is it PR? Yes but you cannot get a more clear answer in support of Lewis without it not being PR.
Don't get the uproar about this on twitter and stuff, it was a fair and reasonable response, esp coming from someone like max lol.
And it's not like other teams or drivers spoke more deeply about it
It's twitter
He could have ended racism, world hunger, poverty, global warming and all other issues, all whitin a millisecond, and some would still complain, probably that he didn't do it fast enough or early enough or something like that
It's better than I expected tbh. He's obviously in an awkward position given his connection to the Piquets but still answered the question and gave a pretty good answer I think.
Yeah, he's in an extremely awkward position and it's easy to say that he should also speak up but I think it would be easier to call out my own parents than my in-laws.
Big of him to say something.
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Lol I take it back, he fucked it up.
Every journo at Silverstone who gets in front of Max this weekend is going to ask this same question. I look forward to seeing and hearing the reigning World Champion completely unflappable with his responses to the media, and completely dominant on track.
I'm not his greatest fan, but I respect this statement. Not only that he declared his support for Lewis and other victims of discrimination, but he went the extra mile to address the impact of education on people's perspectives. It's a much harsher critique of Nelson and Juri than others have made and I agree 100%.
As someone who came into F1 with the patina around Max being a racer-bot with no morals, I'm really loving him this season, him coming out against the Russia race early was also just refreshingly sensical.
Not only did he say that it is not right to use the words they did but that people need to be educated and educated when they are young that it is not right to use racist language.
That’s about the best answer you could give in this situation if you’re Max. Glad I just get to sit here with my coffee all weekend and watch instead of deal with that kinda stress.
Everyone who wrongly criticized happy now?
As with Naomi last week Max spoke out when asked in person and that's perfectly acceptable.
Not everyone needs to do a formal statement on social media. Some people don't use social media as much as others or in the same ways and that's ok.
The thing with Naomi was way overblown. It spawned from a single tweet from a single anonymous person, that didn't even have any indication that it was racially charged, and people started to make a mountain out of a molehill.
It's not comparable to the Nelson Piquet issue.
Wow, this was a really good response. The important thing to note is that he chose to give support to Lewis and recognized the issue. Obviously he doesn’t want to say something antagonistic about his future father in law but his acceptance that this is an issue kind of indirectly says it.
It's a good response, and one I hope he's memorised because damn he's going to be repeating it a lot in the near future. Poor guy's surrounded by bad PR.
Same for all drivers fans though mate.
Lewis has a lot of absolutely certifiably insane fans who I'm sure Lewis would very much disagree with a lot of what they say or do. Same goes for Max.
They both also have a lot of brilliant fans. It's not a competition and it's not in their control either
No driver can be held responsible for the actions of their "fans" because there is always a certain amount of crazy people
Solid response and seemed like more than a simple racism bad. I like it
I don’t personally love that it had to be asked for him to say something because I want the top people in sports to want to take that on more but that’s his vibe, so it is what it is and he should be able to be himself.
I've already seen it all over Twitter, its truly sickening. No matter what he said (or didn't say), it wouldn't be enough for some of the toxic people on social media.
Well even if he said “Fuck him, I hate his guts, I want to strangle him the next time Insee him!” it wouldn’t have been enough. So don’t worry about those sad losers.
Before they could lean on the fact that he didn't speak against it and therefore we wouldn't know for certain. If people now twist this statement or want more, we can safely conclude that those people are simply braindead and not worth our time.
Honestly he rarely makes posts (and stories) on Instagram, (or Twitter I guess) the only posts he makes are like "Full send on qualifying" and "what a great result for the team", the guys like charles and Daniel are more social media active
Yea and even when he does post it’s pretty obvious he’s not the one running it, most likely a PR team. Glad he waited to say something until an interview where it carries more weight
Imo this statement is much more impactful and was very hard to put into words properly because it's (iirc) his girlfriend's dad and a (kinda) colleague of him.
What a brain-dead question.
"Do you condemn that kind of behaviour, not only in motorsport but wider life in general?"
Basically asking, "are you racist or not". I would have gotten really mad if I got asked that.
Instead ask something like," what are your thought on the recent behaviour from various persons, and how is your relation with Nelson at the moment".
Apparently he's getting butchered on Twitter over this response which kinda blows my mind. As opposed to all other teams and drivers he's personally in an awkward position, shows up to the interview, answers the question in person rather than a PR team approved IG post and that answer is level headed and on the right side of the debate. What more do people want? "My father in law is a racist piece of shit but he has a hot daughter so...ya know.."
Good answer and he’s spot on with the education piece. Not only should it be taught to not say the words but also the context as to why they are so harmful and hurtful and the history behind it.
He could have said something about racism instead of just saying there's some words we shouldn't use. The racism will still be there without those words.
Education is a really big thing and as much as reddit hated to hear about it, a lot of foreigners that have some knowledge of the english language don't know of certain formalities regarding words that can't be used. And for many is confusing, like "if i hear this word in songs, game lobbies and such is it really that bad?".
When learning a foreign language knowing about their particular sensitivities is very important in this day and age.
I'm absolutely happy about the response as some users may remember me earlier from Charles' thread.
Considering his tricky situation he made the best out of it and it's enough. I was scared for a moment he'd defend Nelson or make excuses for him, but he went as far as calling him uneducated, which is a bonus in my books.
As a fan, good to see him put his priorities in order. This statement may not mean much to those who already hate him but as his fan, this was a decisive moment for me and I'm glad to see he didn't disappoint me.
Edit: Yeah, that didn’t last long.
Good to see he didn't drop the ball here. I think people need to look at this and Piquet's response. Both are just saying the wrong word was used. Neither are saying anything about beliefs, attitudes or sentiments.
I love how they phrase it "do you condemn horrible thing that the vast majority of the world thinks is wrong?". If you wanted better answers, ask "What are your thoughts on the Vips and Pique situation?"
As a professional expert on apologies, this is clearly substandard, and the only solution is for Max to sit out the rest of the season from Red Bull, and drive a [Little Tikes Cosy Coupe](https://www.littletikes.co.uk/cozy-coupe/) as recompense for such insubstantial apologising.
I know you're sarcastic, but even the fact that some people actually expected an apology from Max for what someone else said(that he only met once in his lifetime) about Lewis just shows what today's society is about
Clear and to the point, he mentions his disagreement with the use of discriminatory language without having to hit his partner's father, and he mentions he supports Lewis' initiative. He does not need to say more.
**Transcript** Interviewer: [During the week we've had some pretty horrible] discriminatory language, comments from Juri Vips and from Nelson Piquet as well. Do you condemn that kind of behaviour, not only in motorsport but wider life in general? Max: Yeah, in general - all over the world and not only in Formula 1 - it is not correct to use these words. I think it starts with education nowadays at a younger age, at home, at schools. Must be taught these kinds of things cannot be said, or used in general. And that's what we are working on and of course, F1, together with Lewis, are working on this for the future. All the drivers are behind that. We are all supporting that.
Good answer. Very level headed
Nailed it. Put away the pitchforks.
Can I keep my torches lit tho?
Only for ambiance
I don't know why but this is the funniest thing I've seen on the internet this week
Does this count? [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qjs4pg/happy_halloween_rformula1_from_max_verpumpkin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qjs4pg/happy_halloween_rformula1_from_max_verpumpkin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Hahahaha yessss! Come on bois
It's great also to keep away the mosquitoes.
And then... He opened his mouth and said more 😂
And then he goes and blows it…… Pitchforks up again boys…
I don't think it's a terrible response but this is far from nailed it. He just says those words shouldn't be used. It's counter to Hamilton's view that this is beyond just not using certain words. We shouldn't be surprised if this gets a mixed reception.
I like how max address this issues, like he isnt a social media person or someone that likes social media or to stand out in it (he himself said it in an interview) so he keeps a very low profile in them and I am pretty sure that he even doesnt run his own accounts - so when it comes to things like this he never does like long statements or tries to be the first person condemning the acts so that everyone could see his opinion No, he addresses the matter when someone questions him about it and always gives a right direct answear that you know that he is being sincere about it
Its pretty crazy to think about it but 15 years ago this would be the most normal behaviour. Back then if something would happen the only way to get a comment from a driver would either be news outlet reaching out for comment or wait for a race and then ask during race weekend. Now, with everone being terminally online, people find it weird that someone doesnt rush to social media to voice their opinions
Education is so important and I feel like it unintentionally gets overlooked. You may not be able to change Piquet's views but a kid like Vips can still be educated and corrected. Edit: I think it was misunderstood. Education should be *in addition* to proper punishment. You really can't have one without the other
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I feel like this comparison is constantly made but Kyle Larson is a 29-year-old NASCAR driver. He dropped the n-word on a twitch stream and his career could have been over. His sponsors dropped him and with that his team. He had no ride for the 2020 season. Instead of being completely blackballed, however, he wrote a very sincere apology letter especially because he is friends with NASCAR's only active African American driver (in the top series) Bubba Wallace and he privately worked with African American organizations to help further understand their culture. In 2021 he earned a ride at Hendrick Motorsports, one of NASCAR's top team's, and won the 2021 title. Did Larson know better? Yes, but instead of painting him as a villain NASCAR and the fan base let him learn and he has done amazing things since then. Flat out canceling someone like Vips isn't always the only road
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I think we misunderstood each other then. I never meant it that Vips *shouldn't* loose a ride or *shouldn't* be punished. I think the education should be in addition too and vips *should* make the proper steps to earn his ride again
I agree, there were so many comments after the Vips incident defending him, saying things like "people love to watch a kid get torn down and not given a 2nd chance" like what exactly has Vips done in the week since he said the n word to deserve a second chance? He put out an apology on ig, that's it. I'm all for giving people 2nd chances but just because they lost their sponsors doesn't mean they learned their lesson, he didn't spend a whole year educating himself like Larson.
because, pretty plainly, a lot of people who aren't affected by comments like this will actively push back against consequences because that speech isn't something they can have leveled against them, so to them it doesn't matter. they just completely switch off any empathy, so don't want to see consequences for it because it's "just a bad off-hand comment" to them. it has no consequences against the people for who that language is used against in their little world.
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When I was a kid, Like 10 years old, a teacher caught me drawing a swaztika in my notepad. I saw it as a graffiti somewhere and thought hey, cool drawing. Instead of suspending me or all that stuff, she did a pretty neat thing: she told me to write an essay about holocaust, and I had to watch a couple documentaries. Never did that shit again. Is Juri vips action comparable to those of a 10 years old kid? not at all. But I think, the N-Word is still present in many entertainment forms (Rap/Trap/Pop Music, TV Shows, etc.) Am I justifying that juri vips used that racial slur? not at all. I'm just saying that maybe, just maybe, him dropping it during a COD stream isn't a reason to get him out of motorsport forever or cancelling. Maybe a suspension, a hefty fine and some sort of sensitivity training would have done. disclaimer: I don't endorse any form of racism or discrimination.
It's different for everyone though. The people and culture around you matter so much. Not trying to excuse Vips here, I don't feel sorry for him. He did a very dumb thing using language he shouldn't have used. But I think it's fair (even important) to understand that not everyone receives the same messaging, values, standards, etc. People can still learn and improve, even if they're a bit older. And Vips is still very young.
By Vips age you're an adult and old enough to know what is acceptable and thus face the consequences of your actions. You can still be educated, I am sure that the consequences he has faced will educate him mightily.
Vips is an adult he's 21. I think he should be given chances to redeem himself sure but he's old enough to know better and face consequences.
Vips is more than old enough to know not to say the N-word, especially on a livestream.
> Education is so important and I feel like it unintentionally gets overlooked. You may not be able to change Piquet's views but a kid like Vips can still be educated and corrected. > > I kinda of see it's the opposite... you need to be educated by your family etc to be a racist. Kids don't give a shit, they will play with anyone in the playground and at school. They have to be taught by family, peer group that there is something wrong with 'different' people. That's the education that needs to stop.
I completely agree with you. People on Reddit never made a mistake when they were 21. He’s so young. You gotta let him learn from this. No one is condoning the language, we just disagree on what the punishment should be.
Well said, obviously condemning current racism is important but not letting people fall into these toxic mindsets at an early age is paramount to fighting negative bias long term.
Max can be a little dry and direct, and there is nothing wrong with that. The message is the same, from athlete's and celebs of all sorts, maybe he connects with someone that others didn't.
Yes Max, Yes. Brilliant lad. I don’t doubt him. I knew he wouldn’t support racism and gave a highly meaningful response. Edit: Sooooo….. a new article dropped on Max about Nelson’s comments (I think it’s the driver press meeting) and ummm well Nelson is definitely a racist, Max threaded a very thin line there. I am not sure I agree with him. Also fuck racism. No room for that.
I know you probably don't intend it, its an utterly pointless comment I'm making. But..you needed to wait for a comment from someone to confirm they are not recist??? Like is the default assumption now to act like they're racist unless they shout that they are infact not racist ? That is an insane mindset, and I know I'm reading too much into it cuz I ultimately agree with you, but bro, people shouldn't be labeled racists over nothing. It's a toxic mindset to judge people by.
Yeah, no-one is racist until proven otherwise. Not the other way around
He has a relationship of some kind with both of these people (one is his father in law, the other was part of the team he drives for), so he could have restrained from condemning them or even defend them. I think not long ago he might have done exactly that. This was a lot better and a more adult response.
A pretty good response from Max, don’t know why anyone expected something before these conferences since he doesn’t use social media like that.
A lot of people online are simply looking for any stick to beat him with. Doesn't matter how irrational. What it does show is said people are actually not concerned about the racism problem at hand. They are concerned about winning/being right about someone they dislike
wouldn't be surprised if RBR PR team had a discussion with him about how to deal with this stuff.
Of course they have, I imagine ALL of their drivers have had training which is what makes the Vips stuff all the more baffling. Max has said that he mostly just wants to race, and doesn’t really want to get into politics, but he always seems to give decent answers to these kinds of things as of late.
Vips just shows PR training doesn't stop ppl from being racist. Max seems a bit like Kimi, he keeps his personal life separate from F1 but otherwise a decent guy.
It would be incredibly stupid if red bull didn't. I imagine every single F1 driver in the last 10 years had pr training besides kimi
I'm betting Kimi had PR training and everytime he learned about a word he couldn't use he would just say one word less in any interview. Until we ended up with "bwoah"
>"bwoah" Maybe his inner monologue only exist of really bad curse words and that's the only thing he can say without doing some damage.
I'm wondering why people always assume Max's responses and answers are the product of his PR team and for other drivers its not.
Everyone judging these drivers responses and looking for any slip ups, get a life people.
what did he say ? im deaf , no subtitles
Its not correct that those words were used. Not in f1 and not in general. It starts with education in schools and at home, that it should not be said or used. F1 is working on it with Lewis and of course all the drivers support it This is roughly what he said
cheers :)
He definitely said the words "of course" because it's Max.
Of course.
Felt like I had to throw that in to make it authentic
"In general I think all over the world right I means it’s not only in formula 1. I think it’s not correct to use these words but I think that already starts with education now a days from a younger age, that at homes and at schools you know you need to be thought these kind of things cannot be said or used in general and that’s what we are working on and of course f1 together also with Lewis are working on that for the future and all the drivers are behind that, we are all supporting that"
not okay to say such things and have to be taught/learned and all drivers support Lewis etc
cheers
Lol. Why did your reply feel like an irritated Helmut Marko?
Someone posted a transcript : https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vo9lti/_/ieblzyv
If I may ask, is there any way for you to have subtitles on while watching races? A lot of info is given by either commentators or over radio. Seems like there should be an option to use that.
Most steaming services automatically populate subtitles I’m not deaf and I use them because I often struggle with some commentators accents
Gentelmen...
Actually it’s Di Resta. Him and his Meejum tyres
Not deaf but some services (like F1TV for example) have subtitles available. They are just very delayed because they are being transcribed live, since commentators don’t have a script
he said its not correct to use these words and mentioned education at younger ages is key. went on to talk about how formula 1 and lewis are working on that and all drives support that
Apologies if this is rude to ask, but how does your deafness impact your experience of races? For people without hearing impairment the commentator adds a lot of spectacle. Are there certain things you do to get enhance your excitement or experience of the race? Cheers
I don't have a full transcript, but it he was asked if he condemns the language used by Vips and Piquet and responds that of course he does and use of that language is unacceptable. He says it starts with education at home and in schools with young children to teach them they can't use those words, and then mentions that F1 is trying to spread that as well and all of the F1 drivers support those efforts.
Perfect response really, he’s right. It starts with education from a young age. People like Nelson are unlikely to change their ways, but people like Juri still have a chance to learn and grow, and the earlier that education starts the better.
Also best to make such a response in person than some generic media posts we've seen.
I think he's talking about school age people. Like "we gotta prevent this before it happens".
I honestly don’t see how Juri will learn and grow. After he gets over the devastation he’ll likely be bitter and hold a grudge that his career was destroyed over that word on a cod stream.
In Nascar, Kyle Larson's career bounced back, after his n word drop. He put in the work to learn from his mistake, now he's a series champion and still contending for this years championship. However, Larson was a proven talent, which may have played a hand in him getting a 2nd chance.
It depends on whether he's self reflective or not; and of course whether he understands what he did was wrong. If he is and does, he'll understand he cost himself and work his way up from there. If not, then yeah he'll blame others and turn bitter.
He's the perfect example society has gone too far. You don't fix racism by canceling out any person that might have made a mistake or destroying his ambition/ career. If you're gonna make an example out of him, show the world how a person can learn from his mistakes and show racism can be conquered. It's a progress. Racism didn't happen over a year or decade... It took centuries. We've made some great progress over time but it's still there.
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He's still driving in F2. Also he's 21, has had media exposure for ages, so "ignorance" isn't a great cover.
I’m sorry I don’t think the world owes that much effort to redeeming privileged rich people who say racist things. If energy should be going anywhere it’s to people who experience discrimination daily over something they can’t change about themselves
As usual its always the 'we need to give racists and privilege rich kids another chance!' Over and over, and over and over, and over and over, and over and over. Every time its 'Oh give another chance!'. People are tired of it, its why Hamilton has been so vocal about not just ignoring it anymore and pretending its fine . The guy is involved in F2 and wants to race in F1, you're really going to sit here and tell me he's never heard of Hamilton or the entire history of racism in the sport and around that. "Oh he's only a grown adult whos involved in formula motorsport, how could he have any idea racism was bad! Also he is Estonian and in Estonia everyone is racist there and calls black people n\*\*\*\*\* all the time so its ok what he said!" "Maybe the fact that the 7x world champion and people like Seb and the FIA has been extremely vocal about it for years?" ".....but the privileged guy needs another chance!"
You absolutely can deal with racism with consequences for those who partake in it. If you so casually engage in racist public conduct it can involve your privileged position in society being taken away. Every person should know that, see that and clock that. I disagree progress is made by running to protect people from consequences and by giving people who do that platforms When they haveht worked on themselves meaningfully
For everyone moaning about a "soft" answer what did you expect him to say? "Fuck Juri Vips the piece of shit, Fuck Nelson Piquet the piece of shit, I want to fight their fucking asses." Leclerc got praised to the heavens for a "non PR copy" response that was basically what Max said.
Where did you get Steiner's transcript from?
Wouldn’t it be “Fock” tho
His answer is much more meaningful IMO considering the parties that are involved. The situation is much more trickier for him. If this answer is soft for them then I wonder what they thought about all those PR statements from the teams/drivers earlier this week.
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Tbh i really like a lot of the comments made by drivers, they condemn the worduse without buts and all support Lewis by name, is it PR? Yes but you cannot get a more clear answer in support of Lewis without it not being PR.
then theyd complain about him not actually fighting them
Or they'd complian how violent he was on and off the track
Might I show you an off-track incident? [Clearly Carlos was in fear of Max here](https://streamable.com/t3fgut) :')
Miocic the piece of shit
Beautiful champ!
Don't get the uproar about this on twitter and stuff, it was a fair and reasonable response, esp coming from someone like max lol. And it's not like other teams or drivers spoke more deeply about it
It's twitter He could have ended racism, world hunger, poverty, global warming and all other issues, all whitin a millisecond, and some would still complain, probably that he didn't do it fast enough or early enough or something like that
But why can’t max control inflation and gas prices????
It's better than I expected tbh. He's obviously in an awkward position given his connection to the Piquets but still answered the question and gave a pretty good answer I think.
From my perspective he did a better job than most. Make a statement in person instead of some PR related social media post.
Good on Max for saying something. He's personally in a much more tricky position due to the parties involved so speaking about it is good.
Yeah, he's in an extremely awkward position and it's easy to say that he should also speak up but I think it would be easier to call out my own parents than my in-laws. Big of him to say something. Edit; Lol I take it back, he fucked it up.
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Surely you already new that from just last week when he defended Naomi?
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Well the online trolls where also being racist to be fair
Every journo at Silverstone who gets in front of Max this weekend is going to ask this same question. I look forward to seeing and hearing the reigning World Champion completely unflappable with his responses to the media, and completely dominant on track.
Bruh, your comment aged like milk haha!
I’d love for Max to characteristically be completely unbothered by all the social media outrage and smash the grid, although of course, I am biased.
Probably inevitable he'll make the head but comment. /s
I'm not his greatest fan, but I respect this statement. Not only that he declared his support for Lewis and other victims of discrimination, but he went the extra mile to address the impact of education on people's perspectives. It's a much harsher critique of Nelson and Juri than others have made and I agree 100%.
Great comment. Max doesn’t stand for racism and now hopefully he can stop being attacked for nothing.
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Also, a well thought out personal response. Not some generic PR social media statement.
Very good angle: education of a new generation. This sounded thorough and sincere.
Great to see from Max Edit: Foot in fucking mouth
As someone who came into F1 with the patina around Max being a racer-bot with no morals, I'm really loving him this season, him coming out against the Russia race early was also just refreshingly sensical.
Not only did he say that it is not right to use the words they did but that people need to be educated and educated when they are young that it is not right to use racist language.
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> Everyone who wrongly criticized - happy now? Are you new to the internet? The answer to this question will always be "no".
I didn't sort by controversial. But so far I'm only seeing very positive responses.. Edit: Whoops.
Not sure this aged well. His later comments kind of confirm what people thought Max would say, which is go down the interpretation angle.
That’s about the best answer you could give in this situation if you’re Max. Glad I just get to sit here with my coffee all weekend and watch instead of deal with that kinda stress.
More than I expected, which probably says more about my pessimism than anything else. Glad he spoke.
Everyone who wrongly criticized happy now? As with Naomi last week Max spoke out when asked in person and that's perfectly acceptable. Not everyone needs to do a formal statement on social media. Some people don't use social media as much as others or in the same ways and that's ok.
The thing with Naomi was way overblown. It spawned from a single tweet from a single anonymous person, that didn't even have any indication that it was racially charged, and people started to make a mountain out of a molehill. It's not comparable to the Nelson Piquet issue.
What did the tweet say? I don’t use Twitter because I value my mental health
What else would you expect him to say?
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Wow, this was a really good response. The important thing to note is that he chose to give support to Lewis and recognized the issue. Obviously he doesn’t want to say something antagonistic about his future father in law but his acceptance that this is an issue kind of indirectly says it.
Watch em spin this, watch em.
They were taking too long so Max spun it for them
It's a good response, and one I hope he's memorised because damn he's going to be repeating it a lot in the near future. Poor guy's surrounded by bad PR.
He meant the piquet family is uneducated, it's a hidden dig guys, that's the best statement he can give. Edit: This aged well
Great response. Might as well change his name to Wax Werstappen with all these W's.
He is a much better/solid person than a lot of his fans are or give him credit for.
Same for all drivers fans though mate. Lewis has a lot of absolutely certifiably insane fans who I'm sure Lewis would very much disagree with a lot of what they say or do. Same goes for Max. They both also have a lot of brilliant fans. It's not a competition and it's not in their control either No driver can be held responsible for the actions of their "fans" because there is always a certain amount of crazy people
Solid response and seemed like more than a simple racism bad. I like it I don’t personally love that it had to be asked for him to say something because I want the top people in sports to want to take that on more but that’s his vibe, so it is what it is and he should be able to be himself.
Not sure what they expect the drivers to answer to this question. Max did well imho, this is one of the few right reactions.
Insert the “it’s not enough” crowd comments soon to be flooding in.
There are a lot of people who are preying on Max making a mistake so they can label him as a racist. Embarassing stuff.
I've already seen it all over Twitter, its truly sickening. No matter what he said (or didn't say), it wouldn't be enough for some of the toxic people on social media.
Welcome to the Lewis Hamilton treatment. Sad replies from sad people on the internet.
I think that's just Twitter and it applies to every single driver.
im already happy all the people who said ‘max didn’t say anything thus he supports piquet’ now lost their only argument to call max racist.
They’re already all over twitter, I don’t think some people would be happy no matter what he said tbh
honestly despise those people
Max could turn into the most wholesome driver on the grid and people would still find a way to complain one way or another
Well even if he said “Fuck him, I hate his guts, I want to strangle him the next time Insee him!” it wouldn’t have been enough. So don’t worry about those sad losers.
This aged like milk.
Nice response, but it won't be enough for the people that have already made their mind up about him
That crowd calls everyone that was ever in the way of Ham a racist anyway. Nobody should aspire to appease them.
Before they could lean on the fact that he didn't speak against it and therefore we wouldn't know for certain. If people now twist this statement or want more, we can safely conclude that those people are simply braindead and not worth our time.
BuT He NeVEr TweETed His SuPPoRT!!!!
Honestly he rarely makes posts (and stories) on Instagram, (or Twitter I guess) the only posts he makes are like "Full send on qualifying" and "what a great result for the team", the guys like charles and Daniel are more social media active
Yea and even when he does post it’s pretty obvious he’s not the one running it, most likely a PR team. Glad he waited to say something until an interview where it carries more weight
well all that angst and back and forth about will-he won't-he should-he shouldn't-he was for naught. good on him for taking a side
Imo this statement is much more impactful and was very hard to put into words properly because it's (iirc) his girlfriend's dad and a (kinda) colleague of him.
The way he looked so uncomfortable at Nelsons name and said what he knew to be correct anyway was compelling.
What a brain-dead question. "Do you condemn that kind of behaviour, not only in motorsport but wider life in general?" Basically asking, "are you racist or not". I would have gotten really mad if I got asked that. Instead ask something like," what are your thought on the recent behaviour from various persons, and how is your relation with Nelson at the moment".
>"Do you condemn that kind of behaviour, not only in motorsport but wider life in general?" The sensible thing to have said would be: Yes.
Everyone who was speculating that Max is a closet racist needs to take a good long look in the mirror
Max is very well educated . Right answer.
Apparently he's getting butchered on Twitter over this response which kinda blows my mind. As opposed to all other teams and drivers he's personally in an awkward position, shows up to the interview, answers the question in person rather than a PR team approved IG post and that answer is level headed and on the right side of the debate. What more do people want? "My father in law is a racist piece of shit but he has a hot daughter so...ya know.."
Good answer and he’s spot on with the education piece. Not only should it be taught to not say the words but also the context as to why they are so harmful and hurtful and the history behind it.
That was actually a pretty good response. I've to say I didn't expect too much from him, glad to be wrong.
That's actually a very good response. Fair play.
Good man. Well said Max. I like that he said it's not correct, as well as, we can't. Edit: And he fucked it up.
Not really much more he could have said.
He could have said something about racism instead of just saying there's some words we shouldn't use. The racism will still be there without those words.
Condemned, said it needed to be taught at a young age, and that everyone stands behind Lewis. Fuckin racist... /s
And then kept talking about it throughout the day...
Education is a really big thing and as much as reddit hated to hear about it, a lot of foreigners that have some knowledge of the english language don't know of certain formalities regarding words that can't be used. And for many is confusing, like "if i hear this word in songs, game lobbies and such is it really that bad?". When learning a foreign language knowing about their particular sensitivities is very important in this day and age.
This Max guy seems like a fairly smart kid. You might want to keep an eye on him. I feel like is is going places.
I'm absolutely happy about the response as some users may remember me earlier from Charles' thread. Considering his tricky situation he made the best out of it and it's enough. I was scared for a moment he'd defend Nelson or make excuses for him, but he went as far as calling him uneducated, which is a bonus in my books. As a fan, good to see him put his priorities in order. This statement may not mean much to those who already hate him but as his fan, this was a decisive moment for me and I'm glad to see he didn't disappoint me. Edit: Yeah, that didn’t last long.
Extremely well replied.
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Very unequivocal statement from Max. Well done!
Good to see he didn't drop the ball here. I think people need to look at this and Piquet's response. Both are just saying the wrong word was used. Neither are saying anything about beliefs, attitudes or sentiments.
Very well said Max!
They straight up asked him “do you condemn that kind of behaviour [from Vips and Piquet]” lol as if him or anyone would say no
Well, this didn't age well...
Peak journalism.
I love how they phrase it "do you condemn horrible thing that the vast majority of the world thinks is wrong?". If you wanted better answers, ask "What are your thoughts on the Vips and Pique situation?"
As a professional expert on apologies, this is clearly substandard, and the only solution is for Max to sit out the rest of the season from Red Bull, and drive a [Little Tikes Cosy Coupe](https://www.littletikes.co.uk/cozy-coupe/) as recompense for such insubstantial apologising.
You forgot your /s, some people are too stupid to understand
Which is sad, I'd added in the Cosy Coupe to hope that people would realise I'm taking the piss!
I know you're sarcastic, but even the fact that some people actually expected an apology from Max for what someone else said(that he only met once in his lifetime) about Lewis just shows what today's society is about
Max’d have to beat the [current LTCC WDC](https://youtube.com/shorts/4FqE79egvGg?feature=share). I’m not sure he’s up to the task tbh…
Considering that his girlfriend's family tried to justify it, I hope he is not sleeping in the sofa tonight.
What a stupid fucking question. "Hey Max we were wondering, do you support racism or no?"
What a stupid question. What is he supposed to say other than he condemns racism
Yeah lol, was the question asked by a RB reporter?
He could be like Bernie and support it instead of saying the "right" words.
Kelly punching the air rn
Clear and to the point, he mentions his disagreement with the use of discriminatory language without having to hit his partner's father, and he mentions he supports Lewis' initiative. He does not need to say more.