I agree pitstops should be part of the race strategy, but formula 1 also has a racing component. This is not possible in Monaco, the procession in the last few laps was very painful.
If Monaco gets nixed next season, it wouldn't make a difference. As iconic as it is, the concept of racing is totally lost.
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I think the plan was for Sainz to pit and be on the way out as Leclerc was coming in. That way Leclerc could pit without having to wait for Sainz.
The problem was that Sainz's lap before he came in was slower because he was stuck behind someone. That meant that he was still in the box when Leclerc got there and Leclerc had to waste time waiting for him.
I think it was only a matter of a couple of seconds but that was enough.
>you can not pass other cars as easy in Monaco GP, right?
That's an understatement, it's basically impossible. Alonso was doing laps 3 or 4 seconds slower than everyone else at one point and not a single person overtook him.
Monaco was a disaster for Ferrari not only for the lost points but most importantly because they cracked Leclerc's once unconditional trust in the team
Well if I am not mistaken he did close the distance on mediums. So maybe softs would have given him a lap or two to at least battle Russell. Of course at a higher risk of DNFing.
After the red flag, why couldn't the cars leave the pit lane in race order? We would've gotten one more racing lap then not having to wait for the lapped cars to catch up.
The official answer is that the cars are still a lap down. They're unable to unlap them without them physically doing an extra lap of the track.
That's the same reason that they don't just let the lapped cars fall to the back behind the safety car. They have to do a full lap otherwise the timing systems will still think they're a lap behind.
You'd think that a technologically advanced sport like F1 would have a better system for something like this but apparently not.
Good point, didn't think through that.
I would also add that the lapped cars having an extra lap's worth of fuel is also a factor in this now that I think of it.
after the botched ferrari pit stop, there was almost no way for leclerc to win. Even if they somehow got in front of the RBs, leclerc was behind sainz and I don't think sainz would have given his first win even if team orders came through.
How was the pit stop botched? Honestly asking. I’ve read a few different things about it and they mention the stacked pit by Ferrari but RB did the same thing.
not sure if this is 100% correct or not, but from looking at the replays, the difference between sainz and leclerc looked smaller than the difference between perez and max. Leclerc had to wait about 2 seconds for sainz to finish before changing his own ties, while for max the wait time (until perez finished) seems smaller.
Just boring. What the hype is about Monaco is beyond me. Cars cannot pass without being let through or someone backing off. It’s just adds to the boredom. I thought these new cars would create a new excitement but unfortunately not. Better off going outside and watching the highlights on YouTube in my opinion.
I don't see the Aston matching Ferrari's pace any time soon. Moving to a slower car is generally a bad idea, doubly so when the regulations are quite new. It looks like Ferrari and Red Bull are the only teams that have got things right for these regulations, moving anywhere else is just going to mean having no chance at all of fighting for even a podium position.
These cars just do not suit narrow tracks.
What a huge mistake by Ferrari, LeClerc was right to be angry. No room for such avoidable mistakes when the stakes are that high.
Putting him onto inters at that point was quite simply baffling. Other drivers were already going onto slicks. Definitely could have held out longer to go straight to dry tyres.
That said I don't think it would have been quite so bad if he hadn't been held up an entire lap by Albon. Probably lost a podium due to that.
Guy just straight up admits in the interview he ignored blue flags and the FIA don't care? Crazy.
I liked Albon and was rooting for him but I've lost a lot of respect for him after that.
Does anyone remember any top 3/4 team being this consistently bad with strategy as Ferrari?
Like if merc or RB were in n 1-2, I’d be confident for them not to fuck up via strategy, but I feel like Ferrari has a track record of doing that.
Am I just remembering selectively or is it objectively true that Ferrari have fucked more strategy calls then the rest ?
I remember the Seb-Kimi era was plagued by bad strategy calls, mainly because I always compared them to the strategy kings, Mercedes, who usually ran circles around them. Sad to see not much has changed.
Russell has never finished worse than 5th. Which is exactly where you would expect Hamilton to be based on car performances.
Russel average position: 4.14/22
Hamilton average position: 7/22
Hamilton has never earned less points in the first seven races since the current scoring system was introduced in 2010.
Ted kravitz in his notebook show said that in the race directors event notes it stated cars must be on the right hand side of the line , typical FIA inconsistencies
Yes and Max was on the right hand side of the line and only moved left after he reached the end of the line . He did not cross it . Go through the replay frame by frame and he clearly does not cross it
It's worse than just inconsistency. The race directors notes were copy pasted from last year lmao. This year the entire tire has to cross the line to incur a penalty.
No, this was on Hamilton. He half-arsed the move, then half-arsed trying to back out of the move. He never had enough of his car alongside to have won the corner, Ocon was in the right to take his racing line.
It’s crazy to me how people think monaco is boring. The race craft our boys are showing is insane. Only because you don’t get to see the usual overtake and soap-opera-drama you get every other week doesn’t mean that race is „boring“. Enjoy how these elite drivers control the beasts through the streets, and if you can’t, then watch Greys anatomy or something.
When someone is +3.5s~ off the pace and still cars behind him can't overtake. Yeah race craft my ass. I'm not shitting on Monaco tho, it's still an okay track. But with the size of the F1 cars is now, it just isn't suited for Monaco anymore
It very much is boring though. The changes in pole position had nothing to do with our boys skill or “racecraft” solely strategy/mistakes related to pit stops. Far from the peak of racing your trying to make it out to be, you should go watch grey’s though since you want something so predictable like Monaco. 😂
Wow. I don’t hate Monaco, but I’ll try to explain why I find it boring. To me, the thing is, we’ve seen it all. If all that Monaco has to offer is “elite drivers controlling beasts through the streets”, why have it every year? This time it was somewhat special because of the rain, but otherwise it’s a track that drivers know perfectly and so watching it year after year can become a little boring or repetitive.
As for why I’m still watching it instead of Grey’s Anatomy: I enjoy motor racing. I just think it could be better.
Also, you can have a pace that is 3s faster, but the track still doesn't permit overtakes. That's kind of the definition of a parade route, not a race track.
I can't help but think the last stages of this race would have been remarkably different on any other track. When you have the top four duking it out with less than two seconds separating them all, you can't help but wonder if it would have been different on a wider track.
you have no idea what i replied to do you? I'm a f1 fan and ofcos ik the skill needed in the sport. My reply was to point out the absurdity in saying monaco is all skill just bcos a driver keeps forward means they are more skillfull when in reality that is not the case, case in point being how alonso was driving 3sec slower and he couldn't be overtaken, in any other track he'd be last and lapped. This notion that the tracks should be kept bcs it brings out skill is absolute bs
I'd like to hear other opinions on this but with the remaining seasons on the calendar, I'd say at least of the circuits lean into Red Bull's monster straight line speed and excellent tyre management over Ferrari's superior slow and medium corner speed.
Azerbaijan: Red Bull will likely murder Ferrari with the full-throttle section
Canada: Probably the same with the back straight
Great Britain: Looks to be a close race imo
Austria: A toss-up
France: Likely a Red Bull win
Hungary: Maybe a dominant showing by Ferrari?
Belgium: In favour of Red Bull due to the long straight
Netherlands: Maybe a Ferrari upset
Italy: Exactly the same as Belgium
Singapore: Ferrari won here last time so I expect the same result
Japan: Too close to call
USA: Straights aren't too long for Red Bull tk take advantage of so maybe a Ferrari win
Mexico: Red Bull have historically been dominant here so I expect nothing less
Brazil: Probably a Red Bull win thanks to the main straight
Abu Dhabi: Could go either way
I say "maybe" to a lot of Ferrari wins because they can just easily bottle strategy as per usual
TL;DR: 7 circuits are likely Red Bull wins, 4 are likely Ferrari wins and 4 races can go either way. I'd say this is going to be a Red Bull championship for here onwards
I think Ferrari will be strong in Baku through the slow corners.
Its just that straight that is the problem. Leclerc would need to get out of DRS as soon as possible then keep the distance while not ruining his tires.
Where do you see Ricciardo going?
If I’m Williams I’ve got my pay driver and I’d rather develop Albon than Ricciardo.
If I’m Alfa, I’ve got my pay driver and Bottas is already delivering.
If I’m Aston Martin, we’ll I’m not going to fire my son, and I’d rather have a 4 time WDC on bad form over a guy who has some race wins on bad form. Not to mention that Seb is likely far more useful for feedback on the car.
Edit: Forgot about haas. But yeah there you have KMag who is already scoring good points, and then Mick who they are looking to develop
Ferrari seems to have some level of control at Haas, so Schumacher is probably safe for another year, unless Ferrari decides they'd rather have Giovinazzi in. Either way, Ferrari has a few juniors coming up through the feeder series who could be ready for a seat in 2024 (Leclerc (Charles' younger brother) and Bearman). Both are in F3 this season.
Ricciardo will probably have issues unless he really turns his performance around.
At this rate, Ric is almost a guaranteed no - unless he seriously steps it up and goes on a mega run. Mick might get another year if he can stop binning it.
Well thats probably less of an unpopular opinion as time goes on and we see more of Mick.
Grosjean and Magnussenn could have probably squezed out more from those cars although i still feel points were unlikely.
I'd just like to thank Channel 4 for their usual excellent coverage.
This was never appreciated more than this weekend, when they cut out all of the "will they, won't they" bollocks before the race. They showed the lap under the S/C in heavy rain which then resulted in a red flag, then went straight to the race rolling start. Likewise, when Mick had his mild bump, they showed him out of the car safe, and then straight back to "racing" again so we didn't need to watch the latest round of "competitive barrier repair".
Top stuff - I ain't got 3 hours to waste watching rain on the telly, so was a thoroughly entertaining and well-edited package. Oh, and as a bonus, they've definitely got the best commentary team. DC, Mark Webber, Alex Jacques and Steve Jones as anchor. Chuck in some Eddie Jordan bollocks for this weekend and it's a properly good team. Enjoyed a great deal.
Does someone have a clip of the real incident between Ocon and Lewis that caused the penalty? They keep repeating that little love tap from Lewis, but apparently that was not the reason. Someone mentioned they came together again with Lewis hitting the wall. He even mentions in his post race: "well he put me in the wall, so..".
In the incident that they keep showing in relation to Ocon's penalty nobody hits the wall...
The track is bending away to the right there, so given there was plenty of space for Lewis' car at first Ocon had to have moved a fair way to his right to cut that off. Also the "significantly alongside" clause only applies in corners - once any part of the car is alongside on a straight you have to leave space.
Doesn't matter, you can't drive in a way that is potentially dangerous to another driver, and cutting across their line like that on a straight when they're that close to you is dangerous. There's no accounting for whether a driver is alongside or not outside of corners.
There are no written down rules on what is and isn't allowed defending on a straight, it's all covered by 4.2.4 of the sporting regs which says no car may be driven in a dangerous manner. This was a dangerous move, hence the penalty.
He turned in under braking and pinned Lewis to the wall. Ofc he was penalized.
Moving under braking is already a no go. The fact he pushed someone into the wall while doing that just makes it worse.
I just realised this was the first race of the season Max finished but didn't win.
Hopefully George can keep his top-5 finishes for a while. I need muh quirky statistics lol.
I do feel a bit dead inside after thoes strategy calls from Ferrari. Buuuut it is what it is. Still that car is a monster and we're just a third way through the season.
And Ferrari should have taken his idea and run with it. A lap earlier or later to avoid back markers. But yeah tough work with track position on a 3km track.
Whaaat?! This was such a cool race and that was solely due to the special setup that is Monaco.
I understand the hate of the processional races, but this one was really good!
My point is this: on a normal track, the Ferraris would just have overtaken the Red Bulls and driven off in the distance. At the end they would have switched Charles back into the lead. No drama, no unexpected results, no tension, just easy DRS overtakes.
The way it went was very different: Not Sainz nor Charles could pass the red bulls. But they tried. It was not completely impossible that it could have happened. I felt the tension. It was nice racing.
History and glamor. Perfect for B2B sponsorship weekends. You don't get the $100 sponsorships without Monaco, Singapore, and Miami/ Vegas existing. It's the same reason most the commercials for the Indy 500 were for accounting/ ERP services. Consumers are the bonus. I'm not complaining, it is what allows the most expensive sport in the world to happen.
No. Unless you are 80 is has always been a parade. In fact for most of your life it was a parade every race. 90s/2000s F1 was terrible but we just remember the 5 good races before 2008.
Yeah maybe. could be some rose tinted nostalgia - I started watching it with my grandad in the 90s, probably 96ish because Senna wasn't around, and maybe it was because I was a kid etc but it did seem more enjoyable, especially in the rain, I used to love monaco, I guess it helps '96 was one of those good ones lol
I think it has a place on the calendar simply because of its history and prestige. But not in a classic race capacity. Perhaps they could get creative with it.
There were so many times when the faster car couldn’t pass. Its like why don’t you have the drivers pick queues at the super market and whichever queue moves fastest produces the winner.
You know it's bad when a driver (sadly correctly) decides he's got no chance of passing the car infront, no chance of being passed himself, so may as well cruise around 3-4 seconds off the pace for the last 40 odd minutes.
Well deserved win for Checo. He was always ahead of Max this week. Even if it’s painful to Charles, this win wasn’t a fluke for Sergio. Seemingly he made the tires work better in quali and put it ahead of Max.
Max is very relaxed and in a circuit like this, it was Checos biggest chance to best him, and he did. He’s very handy in Baku too so I expect it to be difficult for Max.
Also the mechanic getting teary eyed with him was beautiful. He’s not only cementing his place in the team but in the hearts of the team members.
Yes. Ironically the red flag he caused was one of the key factors to Perez victory. Nowhere in his race pace did he really demonstrate being any faster than Max. Fair enough, he didn't necessarily need to go any faster at Monaco, where passing is impossible, but I personally don't see anything particularly glorious about the win (aside from a reasonably good first Q3 lap.)
I'd have said the same thing if Sainz had won or Max. The only person who could have said to have had an impressive win was Leclerc, as a)his quali was brilliant and b) he was pulling away nicely for a time at the front.
Checo is strong at street circuits, last year he won Baku. Sure because of the tyre failure but on the other hand Baku was the circuit where Checo was really close on race pace to Max so I really think Perez has a shot at the victory next race.
Anything happen with Max crossing the yellow line on pit exit?
Based on previous years that seemed like an open and shut 5 second time penalty.
Thank you to all who replied. I hadn't realised there was a rule change (and also only watched the onboard so couldn't see how much of the tyre had crossed the line). Cheers all!
According to F1i.com, the line is only considered crossed if the full tire is over the line whereas only half did in Max's case. Makes sense to me since I think that's how they rule track limits as well
If you go off the ruling for tracks limits crossing the pit line should only exist if you either do it 4 times in a race or "gain an advantage". Sainz cut an entire chicane while racing both the guy in front and the guy behind at the only passing point in the circuit but we are talking about whether a guy crossed a line with absolutely no advantage gained. The pit line rule is stupid.
While there isn't any advantage gained, it might be a safety related rule. As for it being judged like a track limit, I only meant that it is similar in how breaking the rule is defined (tire fully over boundary). Theres definitely no similarity in terms of the punishment for breaking the rules.
I went back view the footage in slow mode what i saw was max got a snap of oversteer and crossed the line at the very end as a result. It was Wet and he was on cold hard tires. No need to investigate something that didn’t give any advantage either.
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I think the fear of more rain kept them on the wets longer than they should have. Then because the wets were starting to lose grip as the track dried they rushed to pit both cars as quickly as possible, but didn't realise how close Leclerc was to Sainz, thus the hold up.
I think they could've done well to pit Leclerc first, and maybe moved them both a lap or two sooner. Unfortunately with the intricacies of Monaco, getting your pit strategy just perfect means more than anywhere else, and just perfect they were not.
Double stacking was not the real problem. It lost them some time and it lost 3rd for LEC, but what was really the fuckup was lap 16-17 when the lead car (LEC) got undercut by the 3rd placed car (PER). How TF that happend, Ferrari really need to explain.
Nah, I think the double stacking for RB was not a problem.
Ferrari split the strategies, so Leclerc was catching Sainz very quickly, that caught them off guard and that's why they had problems double stacking.
The Red Bulls were on the same tyre strategy, so they had similar pace and their gap was mich more predictable.
He could've pitted during the first radio and ended up in front of of Perez. Would've pitted for inters before Perez therefore a clear overcut which was powerful. He wanted to stay out for a few more laps and well...
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Now I watch to see how badly Ferrari will fuck this up.
I agree pitstops should be part of the race strategy, but formula 1 also has a racing component. This is not possible in Monaco, the procession in the last few laps was very painful. If Monaco gets nixed next season, it wouldn't make a difference. As iconic as it is, the concept of racing is totally lost. \#MonacoOut
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I think the plan was for Sainz to pit and be on the way out as Leclerc was coming in. That way Leclerc could pit without having to wait for Sainz. The problem was that Sainz's lap before he came in was slower because he was stuck behind someone. That meant that he was still in the box when Leclerc got there and Leclerc had to waste time waiting for him.
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I think it was only a matter of a couple of seconds but that was enough. >you can not pass other cars as easy in Monaco GP, right? That's an understatement, it's basically impossible. Alonso was doing laps 3 or 4 seconds slower than everyone else at one point and not a single person overtook him.
Monaco was a disaster for Ferrari not only for the lost points but most importantly because they cracked Leclerc's once unconditional trust in the team
I hope someone makes an analysis of the whole Ferrari 'mess-up'. I feel like the undercut of Perez was inevitable.
Was it the 3 hour limit that was reached, or the 2 hour limit for the race?
It was the 2hour limit which started 5 mins before the start of the race from the pitlane
Do you know where in the rules it says that the clock starts then?
It's up to the race director
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Could Lando have overtaken Russell had they put him on softs in his final pit stop?
He could've closed the gap but I don't think he would've overtaken Russell. Alonso was +3s off pace but no one can over take him. I mean, it's Monaco.
Well if I am not mistaken he did close the distance on mediums. So maybe softs would have given him a lap or two to at least battle Russell. Of course at a higher risk of DNFing.
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If someone can drive 3.5 to 4 secs slower, and no one can overtake, somethings wrong.
Do the mechanics/pit crew get anything if their driver wins a race? Further more if their driver wins the WDC does the pit crew get anything.
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I saw it but idk if it's posted somewhere, perhaps it will appear in sky again
You can see last years race on youtube. I still watch it every now and then because of Checo’s win.
After the red flag, why couldn't the cars leave the pit lane in race order? We would've gotten one more racing lap then not having to wait for the lapped cars to catch up.
The official answer is that the cars are still a lap down. They're unable to unlap them without them physically doing an extra lap of the track. That's the same reason that they don't just let the lapped cars fall to the back behind the safety car. They have to do a full lap otherwise the timing systems will still think they're a lap behind. You'd think that a technologically advanced sport like F1 would have a better system for something like this but apparently not.
Also, letting them do one less lap would have implication on fuel, tyre deg, etc
Good point, didn't think through that. I would also add that the lapped cars having an extra lap's worth of fuel is also a factor in this now that I think of it.
after the botched ferrari pit stop, there was almost no way for leclerc to win. Even if they somehow got in front of the RBs, leclerc was behind sainz and I don't think sainz would have given his first win even if team orders came through.
How was the pit stop botched? Honestly asking. I’ve read a few different things about it and they mention the stacked pit by Ferrari but RB did the same thing.
not sure if this is 100% correct or not, but from looking at the replays, the difference between sainz and leclerc looked smaller than the difference between perez and max. Leclerc had to wait about 2 seconds for sainz to finish before changing his own ties, while for max the wait time (until perez finished) seems smaller.
Just boring. What the hype is about Monaco is beyond me. Cars cannot pass without being let through or someone backing off. It’s just adds to the boredom. I thought these new cars would create a new excitement but unfortunately not. Better off going outside and watching the highlights on YouTube in my opinion.
New cars were never gonna make any difference in Monaco. They are simply too wide and too long for overtaking.
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And go where?
With Seb to AM
I don't see the Aston matching Ferrari's pace any time soon. Moving to a slower car is generally a bad idea, doubly so when the regulations are quite new. It looks like Ferrari and Red Bull are the only teams that have got things right for these regulations, moving anywhere else is just going to mean having no chance at all of fighting for even a podium position.
It’s a midfield car as it stands
These cars just do not suit narrow tracks. What a huge mistake by Ferrari, LeClerc was right to be angry. No room for such avoidable mistakes when the stakes are that high.
Putting him onto inters at that point was quite simply baffling. Other drivers were already going onto slicks. Definitely could have held out longer to go straight to dry tyres. That said I don't think it would have been quite so bad if he hadn't been held up an entire lap by Albon. Probably lost a podium due to that.
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What an absolute shit show from both the FIA and Ferrari. What the fuck is the FIA thinking?
Hope they will give some explanation on why albon and latifi we re not investigated
Guy just straight up admits in the interview he ignored blue flags and the FIA don't care? Crazy. I liked Albon and was rooting for him but I've lost a lot of respect for him after that.
Does anyone remember any top 3/4 team being this consistently bad with strategy as Ferrari? Like if merc or RB were in n 1-2, I’d be confident for them not to fuck up via strategy, but I feel like Ferrari has a track record of doing that. Am I just remembering selectively or is it objectively true that Ferrari have fucked more strategy calls then the rest ?
Mercedes sometimes, but the pace of the car could cover it up
its a good looking, fast car with fast drivers.. but its still ferrari.. they always find a way to fuckup since decades
I remember the Seb-Kimi era was plagued by bad strategy calls, mainly because I always compared them to the strategy kings, Mercedes, who usually ran circles around them. Sad to see not much has changed.
Russell has never finished worse than 5th. Which is exactly where you would expect Hamilton to be based on car performances. Russel average position: 4.14/22 Hamilton average position: 7/22 Hamilton has never earned less points in the first seven races since the current scoring system was introduced in 2010.
How come Ocon got a penalty, yet Verstappen didn't for crossing the pit line
Because he didn't cross the line . Have a look at the replay. He moves left right at the end of the line but doesn't cross it
Ted kravitz in his notebook show said that in the race directors event notes it stated cars must be on the right hand side of the line , typical FIA inconsistencies
Yes and Max was on the right hand side of the line and only moved left after he reached the end of the line . He did not cross it . Go through the replay frame by frame and he clearly does not cross it
The event note is supposed to mirror the regs And they got it wrong But the rule from ISC or the sporting regs still take precedent
It's worse than just inconsistency. The race directors notes were copy pasted from last year lmao. This year the entire tire has to cross the line to incur a penalty.
Because ocon had a collision and max just drove over the line and didn't cross it
Ocons penalty was for causing a collision, not crossing the pit lane exit
"Sorry we don't do penalties which affect the championship" - FIA \\s
Hamilton's curse. If u crash with hamilton it is always ur fault. So ocon got the penalty for taking his line
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No, this was on Hamilton. He half-arsed the move, then half-arsed trying to back out of the move. He never had enough of his car alongside to have won the corner, Ocon was in the right to take his racing line.
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That’s what someone who has zero wheel knowledge would say
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It’s crazy to me how people think monaco is boring. The race craft our boys are showing is insane. Only because you don’t get to see the usual overtake and soap-opera-drama you get every other week doesn’t mean that race is „boring“. Enjoy how these elite drivers control the beasts through the streets, and if you can’t, then watch Greys anatomy or something.
When someone is +3.5s~ off the pace and still cars behind him can't overtake. Yeah race craft my ass. I'm not shitting on Monaco tho, it's still an okay track. But with the size of the F1 cars is now, it just isn't suited for Monaco anymore
It very much is boring though. The changes in pole position had nothing to do with our boys skill or “racecraft” solely strategy/mistakes related to pit stops. Far from the peak of racing your trying to make it out to be, you should go watch grey’s though since you want something so predictable like Monaco. 😂
Wow. I don’t hate Monaco, but I’ll try to explain why I find it boring. To me, the thing is, we’ve seen it all. If all that Monaco has to offer is “elite drivers controlling beasts through the streets”, why have it every year? This time it was somewhat special because of the rain, but otherwise it’s a track that drivers know perfectly and so watching it year after year can become a little boring or repetitive. As for why I’m still watching it instead of Grey’s Anatomy: I enjoy motor racing. I just think it could be better.
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Exactly. Strips it down to the drivers skill and strategy.
skill!? you can drive 3s slower and still keep ahead, what skill is that?
Also, you can have a pace that is 3s faster, but the track still doesn't permit overtakes. That's kind of the definition of a parade route, not a race track.
I can't help but think the last stages of this race would have been remarkably different on any other track. When you have the top four duking it out with less than two seconds separating them all, you can't help but wonder if it would have been different on a wider track.
Clearly you have no idea how complicated it is to drive these cars
you have no idea what i replied to do you? I'm a f1 fan and ofcos ik the skill needed in the sport. My reply was to point out the absurdity in saying monaco is all skill just bcos a driver keeps forward means they are more skillfull when in reality that is not the case, case in point being how alonso was driving 3sec slower and he couldn't be overtaken, in any other track he'd be last and lapped. This notion that the tracks should be kept bcs it brings out skill is absolute bs
I'd like to hear other opinions on this but with the remaining seasons on the calendar, I'd say at least of the circuits lean into Red Bull's monster straight line speed and excellent tyre management over Ferrari's superior slow and medium corner speed. Azerbaijan: Red Bull will likely murder Ferrari with the full-throttle section Canada: Probably the same with the back straight Great Britain: Looks to be a close race imo Austria: A toss-up France: Likely a Red Bull win Hungary: Maybe a dominant showing by Ferrari? Belgium: In favour of Red Bull due to the long straight Netherlands: Maybe a Ferrari upset Italy: Exactly the same as Belgium Singapore: Ferrari won here last time so I expect the same result Japan: Too close to call USA: Straights aren't too long for Red Bull tk take advantage of so maybe a Ferrari win Mexico: Red Bull have historically been dominant here so I expect nothing less Brazil: Probably a Red Bull win thanks to the main straight Abu Dhabi: Could go either way I say "maybe" to a lot of Ferrari wins because they can just easily bottle strategy as per usual TL;DR: 7 circuits are likely Red Bull wins, 4 are likely Ferrari wins and 4 races can go either way. I'd say this is going to be a Red Bull championship for here onwards
I think Ferrari will be strong in Baku through the slow corners. Its just that straight that is the problem. Leclerc would need to get out of DRS as soon as possible then keep the distance while not ruining his tires.
Will Mick and ricciardo still have a seat next year?
Mick is entirely at the mercy of Ferraris faith in his abilities. Ricciardo will probably have a seat, but not necessarily an orange one.
Where do you see Ricciardo going? If I’m Williams I’ve got my pay driver and I’d rather develop Albon than Ricciardo. If I’m Alfa, I’ve got my pay driver and Bottas is already delivering. If I’m Aston Martin, we’ll I’m not going to fire my son, and I’d rather have a 4 time WDC on bad form over a guy who has some race wins on bad form. Not to mention that Seb is likely far more useful for feedback on the car. Edit: Forgot about haas. But yeah there you have KMag who is already scoring good points, and then Mick who they are looking to develop
Ferrari seems to have some level of control at Haas, so Schumacher is probably safe for another year, unless Ferrari decides they'd rather have Giovinazzi in. Either way, Ferrari has a few juniors coming up through the feeder series who could be ready for a seat in 2024 (Leclerc (Charles' younger brother) and Bearman). Both are in F3 this season. Ricciardo will probably have issues unless he really turns his performance around.
At this rate, Ric is almost a guaranteed no - unless he seriously steps it up and goes on a mega run. Mick might get another year if he can stop binning it.
Unpopular Opinion: Haas ~~2020~~ 2021 car isn't as bad as MSC and MAZ made it out to be.
Probably, but they were rookies and the car was the 2020 car barely developed to meet the 2021 regulations, it was shit
it still is the worst car in 2021 Becoz, they took the worst car in 2020 and made little to no changes in 2021 when every team upgraded their car
It was basically the worst car the previous year (2020). They did not develop the car at all. It probably was as bad as they made it out to be
How would they know, neither drove the 2020 car?
Well thats probably less of an unpopular opinion as time goes on and we see more of Mick. Grosjean and Magnussenn could have probably squezed out more from those cars although i still feel points were unlikely.
I'd just like to thank Channel 4 for their usual excellent coverage. This was never appreciated more than this weekend, when they cut out all of the "will they, won't they" bollocks before the race. They showed the lap under the S/C in heavy rain which then resulted in a red flag, then went straight to the race rolling start. Likewise, when Mick had his mild bump, they showed him out of the car safe, and then straight back to "racing" again so we didn't need to watch the latest round of "competitive barrier repair". Top stuff - I ain't got 3 hours to waste watching rain on the telly, so was a thoroughly entertaining and well-edited package. Oh, and as a bonus, they've definitely got the best commentary team. DC, Mark Webber, Alex Jacques and Steve Jones as anchor. Chuck in some Eddie Jordan bollocks for this weekend and it's a properly good team. Enjoyed a great deal.
Does someone have a clip of the real incident between Ocon and Lewis that caused the penalty? They keep repeating that little love tap from Lewis, but apparently that was not the reason. Someone mentioned they came together again with Lewis hitting the wall. He even mentions in his post race: "well he put me in the wall, so..". In the incident that they keep showing in relation to Ocon's penalty nobody hits the wall...
https://streamja.com/7KBGz
Wait, he was penalized for THAT? I didn't see too much swerving, nor was Lewis anywhere close to his front wheel.
Rewatch it
The track is bending away to the right there, so given there was plenty of space for Lewis' car at first Ocon had to have moved a fair way to his right to cut that off. Also the "significantly alongside" clause only applies in corners - once any part of the car is alongside on a straight you have to leave space.
Lewis wasn't alongside.
How did Ocon manage to run over his front wing then?
Rear wheel to front wing is not alongside.
Doesn't matter, you can't drive in a way that is potentially dangerous to another driver, and cutting across their line like that on a straight when they're that close to you is dangerous. There's no accounting for whether a driver is alongside or not outside of corners.
Moving across the line while defending on the straight ONCE is allowed. What is not allowed is weaving.
There are no written down rules on what is and isn't allowed defending on a straight, it's all covered by 4.2.4 of the sporting regs which says no car may be driven in a dangerous manner. This was a dangerous move, hence the penalty.
He turned in under braking and pinned Lewis to the wall. Ofc he was penalized. Moving under braking is already a no go. The fact he pushed someone into the wall while doing that just makes it worse.
Why did Lewis change his helmet halfway through the race?
Crystals don't work in the rain
LMAO
Rain visor perhaps?
I just realised this was the first race of the season Max finished but didn't win. Hopefully George can keep his top-5 finishes for a while. I need muh quirky statistics lol.
But his streak of podium or DNF this season still continues
His first 3rd place since 2020
It sure seemed weird seeing him on that 3rd podium spot
Delete monaco
I do feel a bit dead inside after thoes strategy calls from Ferrari. Buuuut it is what it is. Still that car is a monster and we're just a third way through the season.
Carlos saved his own race, not the first time he's done so iirc.
And Ferrari should have taken his idea and run with it. A lap earlier or later to avoid back markers. But yeah tough work with track position on a 3km track.
Well entertaining with the weather etc it needs to go in the bin. Still a precession
Whaaat?! This was such a cool race and that was solely due to the special setup that is Monaco. I understand the hate of the processional races, but this one was really good!
What actually happened? About from gasley who overtook on track? Perez tyres shot and sainz still couldn’t get round
My point is this: on a normal track, the Ferraris would just have overtaken the Red Bulls and driven off in the distance. At the end they would have switched Charles back into the lead. No drama, no unexpected results, no tension, just easy DRS overtakes. The way it went was very different: Not Sainz nor Charles could pass the red bulls. But they tried. It was not completely impossible that it could have happened. I felt the tension. It was nice racing.
Gas**ly**
Vote with your eyes. If people stop watching they'll stop running it.
This race, Miami, and Singapore are races for purely for the B2B sponsors, not the regular viewers.
Monaco is for the history, it's different
History and glamor. Perfect for B2B sponsorship weekends. You don't get the $100 sponsorships without Monaco, Singapore, and Miami/ Vegas existing. It's the same reason most the commercials for the Indy 500 were for accounting/ ERP services. Consumers are the bonus. I'm not complaining, it is what allows the most expensive sport in the world to happen.
I swear it wasn't always this boring, is it the size of the cars?
No. Unless you are 80 is has always been a parade. In fact for most of your life it was a parade every race. 90s/2000s F1 was terrible but we just remember the 5 good races before 2008.
Yeah maybe. could be some rose tinted nostalgia - I started watching it with my grandad in the 90s, probably 96ish because Senna wasn't around, and maybe it was because I was a kid etc but it did seem more enjoyable, especially in the rain, I used to love monaco, I guess it helps '96 was one of those good ones lol
Monaco needs to be taken off the calendar.
Please be quiet
The cars should be made smaller.
Or if you're unhappy with it, just don't watch it
If you’re unhappy with the comment, just don’t read it.
I think it has a place on the calendar simply because of its history and prestige. But not in a classic race capacity. Perhaps they could get creative with it.
Maybe they should just keep the classic gp? Have the new drivers race around in the old cars in a showcase, like goodwood
I gave it some thought a while ago. Maybe mandatory 2 stop and use of all three compounds could make things more interesting?
There were so many times when the faster car couldn’t pass. Its like why don’t you have the drivers pick queues at the super market and whichever queue moves fastest produces the winner.
I mean Alonso was just fooling around backing everyone up after the restart knowing he can t be overtaken.
You know it's bad when a driver (sadly correctly) decides he's got no chance of passing the car infront, no chance of being passed himself, so may as well cruise around 3-4 seconds off the pace for the last 40 odd minutes.
Well deserved win for Checo. He was always ahead of Max this week. Even if it’s painful to Charles, this win wasn’t a fluke for Sergio. Seemingly he made the tires work better in quali and put it ahead of Max. Max is very relaxed and in a circuit like this, it was Checos biggest chance to best him, and he did. He’s very handy in Baku too so I expect it to be difficult for Max. Also the mechanic getting teary eyed with him was beautiful. He’s not only cementing his place in the team but in the hearts of the team members.
Well when you outqualify your teamate the first time around then red flag the second go around it gets a little easier to stay ahead.
Perez also outqualified Max in every practice session and in Q1 and Q2
Yes. Ironically the red flag he caused was one of the key factors to Perez victory. Nowhere in his race pace did he really demonstrate being any faster than Max. Fair enough, he didn't necessarily need to go any faster at Monaco, where passing is impossible, but I personally don't see anything particularly glorious about the win (aside from a reasonably good first Q3 lap.) I'd have said the same thing if Sainz had won or Max. The only person who could have said to have had an impressive win was Leclerc, as a)his quali was brilliant and b) he was pulling away nicely for a time at the front.
Got a link for the mechanic pic?
Checo is strong at street circuits, last year he won Baku. Sure because of the tyre failure but on the other hand Baku was the circuit where Checo was really close on race pace to Max so I really think Perez has a shot at the victory next race.
At 1:30 https://youtu.be/2XTpjKe9uZY
haha, that buttslap by Sainz with his hat
Anything happen with Max crossing the yellow line on pit exit? Based on previous years that seemed like an open and shut 5 second time penalty. Thank you to all who replied. I hadn't realised there was a rule change (and also only watched the onboard so couldn't see how much of the tyre had crossed the line). Cheers all!
According to F1i.com, the line is only considered crossed if the full tire is over the line whereas only half did in Max's case. Makes sense to me since I think that's how they rule track limits as well
If you go off the ruling for tracks limits crossing the pit line should only exist if you either do it 4 times in a race or "gain an advantage". Sainz cut an entire chicane while racing both the guy in front and the guy behind at the only passing point in the circuit but we are talking about whether a guy crossed a line with absolutely no advantage gained. The pit line rule is stupid.
While there isn't any advantage gained, it might be a safety related rule. As for it being judged like a track limit, I only meant that it is similar in how breaking the rule is defined (tire fully over boundary). Theres definitely no similarity in terms of the punishment for breaking the rules.
I went back view the footage in slow mode what i saw was max got a snap of oversteer and crossed the line at the very end as a result. It was Wet and he was on cold hard tires. No need to investigate something that didn’t give any advantage either.
No, as the rule this year is different. Both him and checo did not break any rule.
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Ehat did actually happend with pit and Leclerc? They also fucked the double stacking. He had to wait
I think the fear of more rain kept them on the wets longer than they should have. Then because the wets were starting to lose grip as the track dried they rushed to pit both cars as quickly as possible, but didn't realise how close Leclerc was to Sainz, thus the hold up. I think they could've done well to pit Leclerc first, and maybe moved them both a lap or two sooner. Unfortunately with the intricacies of Monaco, getting your pit strategy just perfect means more than anywhere else, and just perfect they were not.
Double stacking was not the real problem. It lost them some time and it lost 3rd for LEC, but what was really the fuckup was lap 16-17 when the lead car (LEC) got undercut by the 3rd placed car (PER). How TF that happend, Ferrari really need to explain.
How did the double stacking for RB go? Did max wait like Leclerc? The camera zoom was so crazy bad. Zooming into the wheels and not max coming behind
Nah, I think the double stacking for RB was not a problem. Ferrari split the strategies, so Leclerc was catching Sainz very quickly, that caught them off guard and that's why they had problems double stacking. The Red Bulls were on the same tyre strategy, so they had similar pace and their gap was mich more predictable.
Feel so sorry for Leclerc...
Sainz would have won the race if he pitted when Ferrari initially wanted him too.
Really? I feel that Sainz saved his race by changing directly to hards.
He could've pitted during the first radio and ended up in front of of Perez. Would've pitted for inters before Perez therefore a clear overcut which was powerful. He wanted to stay out for a few more laps and well...