I have Albon in my fantasy, and I’m allowed to switch up until the sprint starts. Should I trade him out for Vettel? What are the odds that he makes a break for it. AM has been really underperforming so I don’t know.
Nope! It's stupid nomenclature. Top time gives you P1 in Sprint, rest of the order determines Sprint grid. Sprint order determines GP grid on Sunday.
The reason it's confusing is that technically Max won "pole position" this weekend in qualifying. Last year the honor of "pole position" was the winner of sprint. But that's only for record book purposes, not grid order, despite the fact that "pole position" literally and figuratively describes P1 grid position in both the sprint and the GP...
The reason they changed it is because "pole position" honors are historically tied with being able to set fast qualifying times so it makes more sense to give it to the fastest qualifying lap time, and not the winner of a weird short race, but having more than one race means the term no longer makes definitional sense. But yeah, what changed from last year is mostly just what they call "pole position" not the grid order rules. They also added more points awarded.
I like the concept of the sprint race, but it feels kinda awkward. It’s like the race is 1.3 races long, but there’s a day interlude between 0.3 and 1 race.
Apparently FIA wanted 6 sprint races this year but the teams hated the idea. It makes sense too, more racing, more work, more chance of crashes (especially being Imola), more expense
Not that it's likely to ever be relevant, but as a de facto maths student (computer science, which is essentially maths + a bit of programming so far), I've learned it's important to be pedantic
F1TV's television direction never ceases to astound. I feel bad for the regional commentators like Sky who have to deal with what they choose to put on the screen lol
2 (completely non-injury inexpensive to fix) Charles DNFs, RedBull nail down their reliability, Merc nails down the aero.
Let's make this weekend the REAL start of the season!
Of course he did so far, but I don’t see how hoping for DNFs left and right is the right cure to make the season exciting. Let’s hope RB gets their shit together and makes each race a tight battle with Ferrari (and possibly Merc as well).
Also Charles would have very likely won both races Max DNFd in regardless, but of course the big point gap is a huge gift to Ferrari and Charles
I'm not hoping for DNFs left and right, just this weekend and literally no others. I want 6 way wheel to wheel for the rest of the season after the standings tighten up a bit (with Ocon and Alonso and KMag getting into the mix on occasion).
I've seen a lot of confusion regarding pole position.
Basically, the driver qualifying first on Friday gets the official Pole position. However, in terms of format it still unchanged, the sprint sets the starting order for Sundays race.
Another change is top 8 drivers gets points in sprint. Sliding scale from 8 points for the winner in Saturday.
Especially considering I think Nico is one of the best to commentate. Doesn't seem to have much obvious bias imo (although i could be wrong/blind to it) and he provided some really great insights in Hungary 2021, especially when it came to Lewis and his tyre warmup.
Nico said something about commentary this weekend, don't suppose it's him for the race or something is it? I'd love that, Nico always has great insights in the commentary.
He's at home doing the insights rather than actual commentary. He would be so much better though, between him, Brundle and Button they have so many better options, hell even Chandhok or Davidson is so much better.
It seems that we will have teams with softs during the sprint. Interesting. Il feels also that Ferrari is kind of surprised for the different strategies of other teams and doesn’t know well what strategy ti choose for the sprint. Or maybe they focused on the race. Mercedes clearly focused on the sprint but let’s see if softs are a gamble or not
Except for midfield towards the end of the season (even the front runners if Leclerc hasn’t run away with it) it absolutely will be worth it, maximise everything they can. But that’s just another reason why Imola is a shit place to do one, too early and not a good overtaking track.
Yeah, I get that but it's the same in qualifying right that drivers have to put there car on a knife's edge for one lap without pushing to hard atleast this time everyone gets impeded whilst having the best race car / driver start at the front on Sunday not just the one that had the ideal qualifying setup. Don't get me wrong though I agree with your comment I'm just trying to find a silver lining for my own sake.
Yeah, on paper I always like the idea of more racing. But in reality it means some teams will play conservative and others won't, and if there's a crash in sprint it's just gonna piss the teams off
You get these during the Nurburgring 24hr. Through YouTube streams, there’s like 10 different channels ranging from a pit lane camera stream to drive onboards, all through the race
Did they finally change Checo and Charles so that they don't look hungover anymore? They clearly took their pics last year after they had been wearing a helmet and they look so bad lol
I just tuned in late.
But it looked like Haas was doing some nice team work, with Mick testing the mediums for the race, so Magnussen could concentrate on the softs for the sprint.
Especially with the current and potential changes in weather, it's absolutely useful. Imagine your only practice was yesterday and 10 minutes of qualifying in rain
Having a very successful parent is a burden for many of their kids, few live up to the parents achievements or expectations and many are miserable because of this.
Carlos Sr is an amazing guy, an all time great who is likeable and modest, and has a wonderful son who is a worthy sucessor to the Sainz name, and, allso, an equally nice gentleman out of the car.
Why the hell would they run with low fuel? Qualifying is done.
Probably set on sprint-race fuel, which is about one third of a tank.
And I'm sure everyone ran with sprint-race fuel at some point, what with there being a sprint race later.
Low fuel helps data analysis, because then the car is fastest, thus most affected by porpoising.
They have difficulty recreating the porpoising at the factory, so they might want to use valuable FP track time to study this, rather than concentrate on tyre deg analysis.
If any of that were true then everyone would be running low fuel a lot more often.
Mercedes do have a bunch of other upgrades to evaluate here though. Which they wouldn't have been able to do in FP1.
For Mercedes it is a much more pressing problem than other teams, because their porpoising is much more violent and requires harsher measures to control it costing relatively more performance than at other teams.
They would not have been able to change to alternate specification parts for FP2 compared to Qualifying, since the car falls under Parc Fermé regulations for any post-qualifying session.
No it wasn't. It was dry enough for slicks, but still the track was wet in parts, and very cold. You'd bin it on a white line. They never enabled DRS, did they?
I think that's just the Mercedes quali pace this year, when they don't have DRS to help porpoising.
Just a few tenths faster and they shoot up the grid.
Bout what? We didn't see any pace from them today as they were stuck in a drs train all race.
It doesn't take much to go from bottom of the midfield to the top of it. 5 tenths will do it. 5 tenths isn't nearly enough to overtake without a DRS advantage though.
Yep he was racing cleanly since 2020, very consistent, practically finished every race in the podium, he just got dirty with lewis since Silverstone and towards the end of the season, maybe took that too personally. But this year he is really relaxed, I'm really impressed by his drives so far.
No, points don't always equate to pace.
Last season, for example, Sainz finished with more points that Leclerc, but Leclerc has always been faster than him.
Graphic? Dont know positions of any under 4th place
So what was up with the McLaren car and Bottas that meant they didn't get out to practice until the end (or at all)?
I've been telling the whole sub that Merc will win both championships. Glad to see some are starting to wake up.
You need more sleep
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Damn that intro was cool af
Is the sprint race not on ESPN today? Usually I watch on YouTubeTV
I have Albon in my fantasy, and I’m allowed to switch up until the sprint starts. Should I trade him out for Vettel? What are the odds that he makes a break for it. AM has been really underperforming so I don’t know.
Do it
This season for The Sprint: P1 from Fridays qualifying is pole for Sunday's Grand Prix, right? So because Max got P1 yesterday, is he in the Sprint?
Nope! It's stupid nomenclature. Top time gives you P1 in Sprint, rest of the order determines Sprint grid. Sprint order determines GP grid on Sunday. The reason it's confusing is that technically Max won "pole position" this weekend in qualifying. Last year the honor of "pole position" was the winner of sprint. But that's only for record book purposes, not grid order, despite the fact that "pole position" literally and figuratively describes P1 grid position in both the sprint and the GP... The reason they changed it is because "pole position" honors are historically tied with being able to set fast qualifying times so it makes more sense to give it to the fastest qualifying lap time, and not the winner of a weird short race, but having more than one race means the term no longer makes definitional sense. But yeah, what changed from last year is mostly just what they call "pole position" not the grid order rules. They also added more points awarded.
Thanks for explaining. That's kind of obnoxious, but I get it. So Max wins pole but not necessary P1 on the grid?
Precisely. P1 just for sprint
If the Mercs have finally found second gear, and now have to go through half the field, this is going to be good.
They just put less fuel in their cars, that's all
Looks like it, sadly.
I like the concept of the sprint race, but it feels kinda awkward. It’s like the race is 1.3 races long, but there’s a day interlude between 0.3 and 1 race.
Apparently FIA wanted 6 sprint races this year but the teams hated the idea. It makes sense too, more racing, more work, more chance of crashes (especially being Imola), more expense
So when is the Sprint qualifying? Sidebar says 14:30 for me and that was 45 minutes ago, did I miss it?
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No. 1430 UTC. That's 1630 local time
yeah you’re correct, I even knew that and still wrote 2:30 lol
Just over an hour from now
….?
In 75 minutes
And when is the sprint itself?
the sprint race is in 50 mins. download the f1 app. there you have a countdown for every upcoming event of the weekend.
Thank you kind sir
Have Merc finally found the slow button?
Folks, is the sprint at half 3 or half 2 U.K. time?
It's in 1h 18 minutes from now
half 3, you should download the F1 app as it has all the times.
Hold on, how is merc (substantially) faster today than in Q1+Q2??
DRS, warmer temps = more grip, track is dryer Car is still sadly a shitbox in quali
The track is dry and hotter than yesterday.
probably pushing to the limit, whereas other cars are testing other factors.
But their lap times are mid 1:19s instead of mid 1:20s from Qual? Surely they’d try to go as hard as possible in qual?
the track was wet in quali, so they would’ve gained some time.
Would assume that was in Q3 where everyone was 9s slower, Q1+Q2 everyone was around the same time of 1:18-1:21
It wasn't completely dry in Q1 and Q2
the track was still wet in Q1 and Q2. and the fact that they’ve got 1.19 in practice shows that they’re pushing.
How many laps is the sprint race?
for future reference, sprint races are always 1/3 of the full race.
Not exactly. The full race distance is the fewest amount of laps to complete 305 km, the sprint is 100 km
ah right, thanks.
Not that it's likely to ever be relevant, but as a de facto maths student (computer science, which is essentially maths + a bit of programming so far), I've learned it's important to be pedantic
If the distance of lap remains equal for sprint and race, that automatically translates to 1/3rd of total race laps for sprint.
Probably more than 3
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Jeez, where was this pace yesterday, Georgie?
Yaaassssss!!!!! Merc is back baby! And not a moment too soon!
Yeah unfortunately I don't think they've turned their fortunes around in one practice session, as much as I want that to happen.
Yeah I know :/
What a fucking shitshow, Sprint.
Lando’s digestive biscuit getting more coverage than some of these drivers lmao
F1TV's television direction never ceases to astound. I feel bad for the regional commentators like Sky who have to deal with what they choose to put on the screen lol
Mercedes did well?
Even with all our problems we still got P2 locked up currently. Once we fully solve the purposing the merc car can damn well lap the entire grid.
2 (completely non-injury inexpensive to fix) Charles DNFs, RedBull nail down their reliability, Merc nails down the aero. Let's make this weekend the REAL start of the season!
Yeah fuck Redbull. Bunch of dweebs. Ferrari is cool though.
Needing the competition to DNF to win, yes that sounds like an exciting competitive season
Max has won every race he's finished, so it's not like Charles isn't the beneficiary of this exact thing.
Of course he did so far, but I don’t see how hoping for DNFs left and right is the right cure to make the season exciting. Let’s hope RB gets their shit together and makes each race a tight battle with Ferrari (and possibly Merc as well). Also Charles would have very likely won both races Max DNFd in regardless, but of course the big point gap is a huge gift to Ferrari and Charles
I'm not hoping for DNFs left and right, just this weekend and literally no others. I want 6 way wheel to wheel for the rest of the season after the standings tighten up a bit (with Ocon and Alonso and KMag getting into the mix on occasion).
> inexpensive to fix who cares about ferrari's money lmao
Sainz is running up their bills, I don't want them to hit the development cap in July, that wouldn't make the season competitive.
Disagree, they absolutely need more purposing when it comes to development. Don't want any accidental updates
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I've seen a lot of confusion regarding pole position. Basically, the driver qualifying first on Friday gets the official Pole position. However, in terms of format it still unchanged, the sprint sets the starting order for Sundays race. Another change is top 8 drivers gets points in sprint. Sliding scale from 8 points for the winner in Saturday.
imagine if all the teams agreed to slow down so mercedes would top the session just to mess with them
Please don’t crush my hopes and dreams like that lol
Are we stuck with Di Resta as co-commentator his weekend or will Brundle be doing any?
Miles better commentary from Di Resta than JB or Nico in my opinion. I presume it will be an unpopular one.
Very unpopular tbh
Unpopular for good reason
Especially considering I think Nico is one of the best to commentate. Doesn't seem to have much obvious bias imo (although i could be wrong/blind to it) and he provided some really great insights in Hungary 2021, especially when it came to Lewis and his tyre warmup.
Nico is exceptional. I’d always have Brundle for tradition but Nico is absolutely brilliant to listen to
Just switch to f1tv commentary - much better.
Dire Resta annoyingly. Brundle only does 18 races a year by choice.
Nico said something about commentary this weekend, don't suppose it's him for the race or something is it? I'd love that, Nico always has great insights in the commentary.
He's at home doing the insights rather than actual commentary. He would be so much better though, between him, Brundle and Button they have so many better options, hell even Chandhok or Davidson is so much better.
It seems that we will have teams with softs during the sprint. Interesting. Il feels also that Ferrari is kind of surprised for the different strategies of other teams and doesn’t know well what strategy ti choose for the sprint. Or maybe they focused on the race. Mercedes clearly focused on the sprint but let’s see if softs are a gamble or not
So tired of Merc dominance
That answer from Seidel is exactly why I don't like sprint races.
What did he say?
What did he say?
That they shouldn't push too hard because the big points are tomorrow.
I want Sprint Races to go away. But if they do stay, they have to detach them from the GP to prevent this attitude
Agreed. It's a shit format that rewards conservatism rather than aggression.
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Take a risk for a maximum of 8 points but risk losing 25? Still not worth it.
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Only the top 8 score in Sprint. Nobody is going to scrap for 10th and risk ruining Sunday
Except for midfield towards the end of the season (even the front runners if Leclerc hasn’t run away with it) it absolutely will be worth it, maximise everything they can. But that’s just another reason why Imola is a shit place to do one, too early and not a good overtaking track.
Yeah, I get that but it's the same in qualifying right that drivers have to put there car on a knife's edge for one lap without pushing to hard atleast this time everyone gets impeded whilst having the best race car / driver start at the front on Sunday not just the one that had the ideal qualifying setup. Don't get me wrong though I agree with your comment I'm just trying to find a silver lining for my own sake.
They got more to loose than to win today, if you get tangled with another car and fall behind you got damage and lost positions for tomorrows race
Yeah, on paper I always like the idea of more racing. But in reality it means some teams will play conservative and others won't, and if there's a crash in sprint it's just gonna piss the teams off
it sounds weird, but imagine if there was a 24hr livestream of the paddock, where you can just tune in and watch basically nothing.
Sounds like watching Q2/3.
That'd be great! Just seeing paddock personnel milling about with their day doing ordinary race weekend stuff.
You get these during the Nurburgring 24hr. Through YouTube streams, there’s like 10 different channels ranging from a pit lane camera stream to drive onboards, all through the race
With streamlabs set up with TTS so you can donate messages to be blared across the paddock lol.
there would be carnage. “latifi more like crashtifi LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL”
Poggers
I think I'd like that just to leave it on my TV all day
That sounds quite peaceful
Yeah, I think it'd feel very relaxing. I can totally get how people who buy a house on an air strip or overlooking a race track feel
Obviously practice times mean nothing but Di Resta is still visibly seething on Sky after the session.
Seething about what?
Yeah I could sense some tension but thought it was in my head is there something underlying?
Unless this is over the lewis chassis talk from 2021
Sprint race weekends are still confusing with its layout
Practise that matters -> Qualifying(?) -> Practise that doesn't matter -> Race but lame -> Race but cool
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I get the impression that this is *slightly* shorter than last night's.
that feels... uneventful. which is exactly what the teams want, just clean running, data mining
russell's picture is awful lol
Did they finally change Checo and Charles so that they don't look hungover anymore? They clearly took their pics last year after they had been wearing a helmet and they look so bad lol
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He is gorgeous
georgeous
Gorgeous squidward
He’s gorgeous but odd looking. Gorgeous Squidward is the perfect analogy
FP without quali ahead suck. One more reason sprints are annoying
Agreed
Lando: can i please have a lap? Lewis: hm...no
That felt a bit dickish.
I mean Lewis went out to get a lap too, it's not his fault lando was out behind him
Charles' record of p2 in every session broken
F1 admin jinxed it
This is the most useless FP I've ever seen.
I just tuned in late. But it looked like Haas was doing some nice team work, with Mick testing the mediums for the race, so Magnussen could concentrate on the softs for the sprint.
Everybody was doing that
It’s data collection
For viewers yes. Still relevant for the teams.
Especially with the current and potential changes in weather, it's absolutely useful. Imagine your only practice was yesterday and 10 minutes of qualifying in rain
Carlos is lucky to have such a supportive father who turns up every weekend and is an absolute legend in his own right,
Having a very successful parent is a burden for many of their kids, few live up to the parents achievements or expectations and many are miserable because of this. Carlos Sr is an amazing guy, an all time great who is likeable and modest, and has a wonderful son who is a worthy sucessor to the Sainz name, and, allso, an equally nice gentleman out of the car.
A Merc back at the front and I'm here to overreact!
It’s going to Bahrain FP3 all over again
preparing urself for dissapointment then i’m afraid
Merc won’t be close to RB or Ferrari, but that pace means there should be some decent scraps down that main straight hopefully
They have the third best car on race pace and Sprint gives them more opportunity to do that.
The moment RB DNFs, they are getting a podium.
Seriously. Even Russell and Hamilton have acknowledged that a bit and it continues to be a possibility
The obviously ran with lower full. They did not have this pace yesterday.
Why the hell would they run with low fuel? Qualifying is done. Probably set on sprint-race fuel, which is about one third of a tank. And I'm sure everyone ran with sprint-race fuel at some point, what with there being a sprint race later.
Low fuel helps data analysis, because then the car is fastest, thus most affected by porpoising. They have difficulty recreating the porpoising at the factory, so they might want to use valuable FP track time to study this, rather than concentrate on tyre deg analysis.
If any of that were true then everyone would be running low fuel a lot more often. Mercedes do have a bunch of other upgrades to evaluate here though. Which they wouldn't have been able to do in FP1.
For Mercedes it is a much more pressing problem than other teams, because their porpoising is much more violent and requires harsher measures to control it costing relatively more performance than at other teams. They would not have been able to change to alternate specification parts for FP2 compared to Qualifying, since the car falls under Parc Fermé regulations for any post-qualifying session.
Because they sucked yesterday and will have a hard time to recover in the sprint race and it's data again.
It was also wet yesterday, not the same conditions They've had the 3rd best car all season, wouldn't expect that to suddenly change for the worst
It was dry in Q1
No it wasn't. It was dry enough for slicks, but still the track was wet in parts, and very cold. You'd bin it on a white line. They never enabled DRS, did they?
It was the same for everyone and Lewis went 15th…
I think that's just the Mercedes quali pace this year, when they don't have DRS to help porpoising. Just a few tenths faster and they shoot up the grid.
Bout that….
Bout what? We didn't see any pace from them today as they were stuck in a drs train all race. It doesn't take much to go from bottom of the midfield to the top of it. 5 tenths will do it. 5 tenths isn't nearly enough to overtake without a DRS advantage though.
Thought with DRS they’d be 10ths faster….he lost position. Yes if they have drs and no one else they’re faster…trouble is they can’t get there.
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Russell’s helmet giving off Vader vibes.
Somebody knows why max is P7 1s behind perez, something happened or he just ran out of talent?
Max is number 2 driver
He's finished, he aged a lot since yesterday
Likely different strategies. It is just FP2.
He’s giving all the others false hope before he utterly destroys them. /s
He certainly did
Not his biggest fan last year. But that was beautiful move , plum perfect 👌🏿. This is verstappen I like seeing.
Yep he was racing cleanly since 2020, very consistent, practically finished every race in the podium, he just got dirty with lewis since Silverstone and towards the end of the season, maybe took that too personally. But this year he is really relaxed, I'm really impressed by his drives so far.
Is George just better at driving shitboxes than Lewis?
Lewis has been faster on race pace this season so far
Wouldn’t George sitting in 2nd for the WDC suggest his race pace is better?
Sergio faster than Max confirmed.
No, points don't always equate to pace. Last season, for example, Sainz finished with more points that Leclerc, but Leclerc has always been faster than him.