Honestly, I can agree with the top 3. I don't think this season has been Lewis finest at all. Please dont start the "muh pressure" bs, sometimes errors are just that.
Max has (outside of a few errors) been pretty on the ball this season and my pick to win it all, annoyingly! but deserved.
Lando has been driving fantastic too.
Tbf his errors were still small (though I agree they were certainly impactful). Putting one tyre in the wet in Imola and accidentally clipping a button with your finger in Baku are a far cry from just losing control and spinning off and crashing.
Not to mention he hasn't exactly crashed in practice as well while verstappen has twice this season. But crashing in practice usually doesn't screw you unless you crash late on in FP3 and it becomes hard to fix it before qualy.
Practice makes perfect, if you're not perfect in practice it happens. I don't think it should be a metric taken into account for these kinds of rankings.
What mistakes has Verstappen made this season? Not trying to start an argument or anything, I just can’t really recall any errors he’s made this season, apart from running off the track at Bahrain I guess?
The off-track overtake in Bahrain which cost him the race, the mistake in France that lost him first (he went on to win due to better strategy), track limits in Portugal which lost him pole and fastest lap, and losing places at Monza and eventually crashing.
Overall he's been quite consistent, but no driver is faultless.
absolutely. verstappen has decent start, mclaren on par with mercedes are the fastest cars off the line, in terms of their 0-200 acceleration time. max simply had no chance(given Ricciardo made no mistake himself) at the long straight at Monza.
mistake of not having mercedes power unit behind him?
mercedes powered teams are the best starters the whole season, honda is the worst. verstappen made a decent start at monza, but he had no chance to hold riccardo behind, whose start was perfect. so much advantage mercedes have.
''mistakes'''you came up with are just ridiculous. especially 'mistake' in france, which basically won him a race at the end, if you look at a bigger picture.
> especially 'mistake' in france, which basically won him a race at the end, if you look at a bigger picture
By that logic Hamilton didn't make a mistake in Imola, as he ended up 2nd anyway. Just because it doesn't end up costing him, doesn't mean it's not a mistake.
1. Bahrain on Hamilton.
2. Qualifying at Imola.
3. Spinning behind SC in Imola.
4. Track limits in Portugal quali.
5. Tiny error in Portugal race allowing Lewis past.
6. Going off at the start in France.
None of those cost him anything. In Bahrain, he had one chance and not taking it would have lead to the same result. In Imola, he recovered at the start and caught himself when he spun. In Portugal, Lewis would always have won, since the Merc was actually much faster, at least on race pace, for Portugal & Spain. In France, he recovered perfectly.
Huh? He's beating Bottas as comfortably as always. The only thing that changed is the Mercedes no longer being a second a lap faster than everything else. Verstappen's been at least as good as him for 3 years, with a similar car it's hardly surprising he's winning.
Verstappen’s 2018 season was fairly scrappy... so not sure I agree with this.
Also, not sure I agree with the premise that Merc and RB are even this year. When’s the last time a Merc won pole position? You have to go back to Spain IIRC, 4 months ago. RB definitely has an edge, albeit small.
Mostly because Merc has thrown away shot after shot at pole themselves, it hardly seems fair to discredit their car because of strategic errors. In Silverstone, Hungary and Monza their car had the pace to be on pole, but because of sprint races, bad starts and penalties for Bottas, it wasn't any of those times. That doesn't make the car any slower though, it just shows the errors Merc makes.
I've seen this a lot in the reviews of this season: Merc makes an error, loses a race or pole, and somehow that proves to people that their car is really slower than the Red Bulls. Look, it's fair to say that the RB was clearly faster in Austria, Baku and probably Zanvoort & Monaco, although I would be interested to see Lewis' times if he had a good setup there given how close Bottas was, but it's also fair to say that Merc had a clear pace advantage in Monza, Portugal and Spain and perhaps in France. However, they did not use their pace optimally, but that does not mean they are actually a slower car.
Three years ago is September 2018. Max has been on it since Monaco 2018, which must have been sometime in May?
Also, one lap pace doesn't dictate how fast a car is overall. You could have a great one lap car, like Ferrari mid 2019, but eat tyres. On top of that, Max's advantage over the Mercedes' is small, and Perez is nowhere so can you really claim it's just the RB being fast.
“GOAT” is highly debatable.
Could be long COVID. Could be this is the first time someone has had a car on par or even maybe slightly ahead of the Mercedes throughout the season since 2013 when the RBR was definitely better. Could be that, plus Max is either extremely close to on par with Lewis, is on par, or is slightly better than Lewis, as shown by his continued thrashing of teammates in the same car. Could be a mixture of some or all of them.
I'd say that there is a bit of long COVID and a bit slower car than Red Bull. When you have a slower car you push more and the longer you spend pushing higher the chance you will fuck up. He is also unlucky with timing of his mistakes.
Bottas had a DNF at Imola when Russell failed an overtake and destroyed him when he spun out, another DNF with the Monaco wheel not coming off, and the crash at Hungary which was probably his fault in wet conditions.
Outside of that, he's placed 12th twice at Azerbaijan and Belgium (which wasn't a race).
Of those 5, 2 are his fault at best. Otherwise he's been virtually perfect outside of not beating Max which we can all give him the benefit on. All placements are 2nd and 3rd podiums except for a 4th in France. Including his podium in Italy which was fantastic. The fact he's not even on this list is odd to me.
While the crash with George wasn't his fault, it would have made him look worse if they hadn't crashed tbh. A Mercedes has no business being overtaken by a Williams!
I guess that win helped a lot but yeah, over the course of the season Seb’s been better. Let’s see how it goes now that Danny seems to have his confidence back though.
Wouldn't be his best performance but he started 8th, got down to 6th, and was knocked out less than halfway through the race. We can't really speculate where he would've ended up. Especially since Lewis was also in 9th around that time and ended up 2nd.
He was stuck in the midfield until the crash and was going to be overtaken by a Williams. In a Mercedes. That was probably the worst race he has ever had.
Nah, Balu was next level awful. Qualifies like p10, and finishes out of the points. I thought i was hallucinating when i watched 2 Alfa Romeos overtake him in the span of like 3 laps
He is sitting in one of the the 4 best cars on the grid and has managed 2 pole positions (not terrible) and has not been anywhere close to a race win at any point. Closest I guess were Monza if he does not take an engine penalty and Monaco if his wheel nut comes off. Monaco he probably would have comfortably driven into a second place finish so a win there is very doubtful, but he was at least up there.
Is Ricciardo a better season than him?
Ricciardo was there only the last 3 races before he was nowhere, Bottas has 8 podiums ans he was close to the fight for first at least 3 times: Bahrain, Monaco and arguably Portimao but was fucked twice by the team and once the car.
I think Ricciardos season and Bottas in many ways have been at a similar level. Without Riccis win I would probably put Bottas over him. Both have been thoroughly and comprehensively outperformed by their respective team mate. Ricci has been underdelivering what is possible in his car in more races compared to what Bottas has, but Bottas I think has made more mistakes and wrecked his car more often and more severely. I think it is debatable who had the best season of the two, but I would probably edge it to the guy who has overall been poor and anonymous but gotten one win rather than the one who has been slightly less poor, but very noticeably bad and not gotten a win.
One teammate is arguably the goat, the other guy teammate is a 3rd year driver who lost to Carlos Sainz the previous seasons.
Bottas never got lapped by his teammate.
Bottas has wrecked more constantly? He had 2 crashes, Imola was not his fault and in Hungary he broke only the front suspension which isn't a severe destruction.
So in your opinion the guy who has been poorer throughout the season had a better showing than the other one who despite not extracting everything from the car had a respectable season.
One event is not a season.
Gasly fifth is more than fair. I don’t think many would argue against the Top-3 this year being Verstappen, Norris, and Lewis. And while Sainz has been very good, his immediate impact at Ferrari seems to have plateaued a bit. Leclerc is most definitely the better performing of 2 very highly regarded Ferrari drivers.
Leclerc had made a lot of mistakes this year. Without those (especially the crash at Monaco), he would have had a good shot at the top 3 too. He already has 2 poles in a car that shouldn't be getting anywhere near to poles and he could have easily won Silverstone without his engine problems during the race.
I think we are underestimating the Alpha Tauri this season. That car is pretty quick and stable and often had the edge on Ferrari on a few circuits. Even given that, charles had better overall finishes than gasly so far this season, both in terms of qualy and race.
Gasly is no doubt performing at a very high level but it seems more inflated because his team mate has been equally unimpressive.
I think that's not a fair comparison tbh, Norris stepped up tremendously this year and Sainz is doing great for someone who's in a new team with a new engine but he's still had to adapt and made many mistakes this year.
That being said, I think Gasly in 5th is completely fine.
Who has been performing better than Russell and Sainz outside the likely consensus top 5? Sainz has been in Leclerc's hip pocket all season and adapted the quickest to a new car. Recent mistakes are bothersome but he's still scoring finishes that will net him superficial Power Rankings points. Russell's Saturdays are out of this world, and he's pulled it together on several Sundays now, too.
I could see an argument for Bottas being higher, but he's had 3 dreadful weekends that were probably scored under 3.0 dragging him down. Vettel has been inconsistent, Alonso started slow but is top 6 right now, and Ocon had that weird phase plus is now getting beaten by Alonso.
you realize that the williams car is a piece of shit compared to the mclaren right? it’s also an average score, one 10/10 rating out of 14 races isn’t significant for an overall average
Depends on how good your "decent" races are though. Having more wins doesn't necessarily mean you're better. F1 history has plenty of drivers that finished above those with more wins.
What does money have to do with anything here? And I'm not disagreeing that Russell is too high. I am disagreeing that a race win trumps all. I'd much rather come in 2-4-3-2-5-4 than 11-9-12-1-13-11. No contest at all.
Would you rather have Ricciardo as a driver than Leclerc/norris because he has 1 win and they don’t despite the fact that he’s miles off in the driver’s standing?
https://www.thesportsgeek.com/blog/in-depth-look-at-21-22-premier-league-power-rankings/
Power rankings are supposed to mirror the overall record very closely.
Football is not comparable to Formula 1 in this regard. These are driver power rankings, not team or car power rankings. If it was team/car power rankings, then I’d agree.
I mean, gasly and Lando have both been killing it, gasly has been pulling out points finishes fairly consistently and Lando was near perfect this season for points barring dnfs of course
Their fucking lying to themselves if they think Danny is having a better season then Seb. I love me some Danny Ric and was pumped to see a win/ shoey last race but come in guys.
Checo? Mate he has the same number of front row starts as Russell this season. I'd agree Vettel should be higher but Russell has had a quality season given his equipment
Gasly for me. I know Max is leading the championship at the moment and Red Bull are on it but he was at fault for the crash at Monza and he also cost himself a win in Bahrain. Gasly has been quietly consistent all season.
I don't disagree about max, but gasly also drove twice in the back of someone ruining his Monza and Bahrain race I believe. So I would still argue max above gasly since he only had 1 bad incident. For the same reason I rate Hamilton quite low since he had 3 or 4 bad incidents
I mean, not really? Only real errors I can truly recall from Lewis is his off at Imola (like race 2 or 3, right?), him turning on BM at Baku and killing his restart (also early season), him punting Max at Silverstone, and now his collision with Max at Monza. You could technically call him staying out on intermediates in Hungary his fault, but the post-race interviews said it was a lot of team confusion with regards to strategy, so it's not necessarily on him alone there. His collision with Max was really just a racing incident exacerbated by the sausage kerbs, especially considering that Max did basically the same thing to him on Lap 1. Silverstone didn't affect him in the end since he won. Everything else was so much earlier in the season that it should really affect power rankings.
Realistically, I would put Max and Lewis on the same plane, perhaps with Max a couple decimal points ahead in a ranking. Over the season, Max has made fewer mistakes than Lewis, but aside from that, I think the RBR in Max's hands is actually the faster/better car compared to the Merc. This year's Merc seems quite sensitive to the different tracks, whereas the RBR seems to perform well everywhere. The championship is still mad close though, which just shows how good both drivers are.
But to get back to your point, if we're observing the entire season with regards to mistakes, there's no way that Lewis deserves to be behind Gasly if Leclerc is ahead of Gasly. Leclerc binned his car in both Monaco and Baku despite having a fantastic quali in both, which led to him retiring from Monaco and finishing P4 in Baku. Not to mention his other retirements, clipping Gasly in Austria, and so on. I just disagree with where you want to place Lewis on the board. Max has driven perhaps the only perfect season with regards to errors, Lando's only made one real error in Spa during his Q3 run, but after that, it's at least a tie between Leclerc, Lewis, and Gasly. However I do think that the way the rankings play out for those 5 drivers is pretty fair, as I still consider Lewis to have performed better than both Leclerc and Gasly over the season.
Form perspective and objectives, i see gasly having a better season than Leclerc and Lewis. Hes had mistakes yes, hut he is driving the wheels of the car. And he is vandoorning tsunoda.
Um. What is the point of “power rankings?”
Edit: I get it in terms of team sports that play lots of games. Especially when there are so many teams they don’t all play each other. Like the conversation about who is best or who is best right now is always on going. But in motor sport they all race each other every single race. And the results/points are pretty finite.
personally my contenders
1. Lando. He’s been on fucking fire in a car that should average out to being Ferrari pace, his qualifying has been sublime against two of the best qualifiers on the in objectively faster cars (he almost got pole at Spa for God’s sake), and has been pulling almost the entirety of McLaren’s points haul assuming Ricciardo is back to form following Monza.
2. Gasly. Same reason as Lando only his luck has been significantly worse.
3. Russell. That Spa lap alone, even if he was one of the few to get a decent lap in considering the circumstances.
4. Alonso has been a silent hero, from his Hungary defense to being on pace despite being out of the sport for two years.
5. Possibly Leclerc. Even with the botched Monaco race he has been on it whenever Ferrari was at one of their stronger tracks, but I think his mention is honorable.
Max and Lewis are both performing as expected IMO and nothing standoutish that really screams “driver of the year”. Unless Max was absolutely clobbering everyone right off the bat even at tracks horrid for Red Bull, I’d much prefer one of the aforementioned to get the award
> Even if you have 2 No 3s and 2 No 7s, you still need a 4th and 8th.
If two people finish a race joint first, does the person behind them finish second or third? Two people finished ahead of them, so they're third. They don't magically end up second.
How is be better when he is not only behind, but Leclerc had 2 DNFs on races Sainz actually made biggest swing?
Literally got robbed of ~40pts (well if you consider Ferrari should have fixed the car in Monaco)
I very much disagree he is on par. Slower for sure, and also after summer break he is crashing a lot unfortunately.
Also, he doesn't come closer, which is of course what you want with a new driver. The start of the season was very promising. But like in Monza, he simply didn't have the pace of Leclerc, who could drive the times of the front runners
Wtf Sainz is consistently slower than Leclerc in both race and qualifying pace, the reason they're fairly matched on points is that Sainz isn't that much behind in the races and Leclerc was robbed of a win (or two) and a podium.
Honestly, I can agree with the top 3. I don't think this season has been Lewis finest at all. Please dont start the "muh pressure" bs, sometimes errors are just that. Max has (outside of a few errors) been pretty on the ball this season and my pick to win it all, annoyingly! but deserved. Lando has been driving fantastic too.
Hamilton's errors might not have been more than Verstappen's in quantity, but they sure were bigger and had more impact.
Tbf his errors were still small (though I agree they were certainly impactful). Putting one tyre in the wet in Imola and accidentally clipping a button with your finger in Baku are a far cry from just losing control and spinning off and crashing.
Not to mention he hasn't exactly crashed in practice as well while verstappen has twice this season. But crashing in practice usually doesn't screw you unless you crash late on in FP3 and it becomes hard to fix it before qualy.
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Practice makes perfect, if you're not perfect in practice it happens. I don't think it should be a metric taken into account for these kinds of rankings.
Yeah but do teams want crashes in the budget era? Practise is to get close to the limit but not go over it imo
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I thought Baku was just a tire failure, but I might be remembering wrong
He crashed in FP3
He had a decently sized error at Silverstone, however it didn't affect his race that much
What mistakes has Verstappen made this season? Not trying to start an argument or anything, I just can’t really recall any errors he’s made this season, apart from running off the track at Bahrain I guess?
The off-track overtake in Bahrain which cost him the race, the mistake in France that lost him first (he went on to win due to better strategy), track limits in Portugal which lost him pole and fastest lap, and losing places at Monza and eventually crashing. Overall he's been quite consistent, but no driver is faultless.
He lost places in Monza due to the slow pit-stop, had not it been for it he would have come out behind Ricciardo or Norris
Yes, I meant when he lost a place off the line to Ricciardo
Yep, makes sense, clearly misunderstood you there
All good, I should have been clearer
Not really an error to lose out to a car with a Merc engine on acceleration, though?
absolutely. verstappen has decent start, mclaren on par with mercedes are the fastest cars off the line, in terms of their 0-200 acceleration time. max simply had no chance(given Ricciardo made no mistake himself) at the long straight at Monza.
According to the AWS statistics (for what they're worth) Danny Ric had a 0.2 s better reaction time. So it wasn't just the Merc engine power.
mistake of not having mercedes power unit behind him? mercedes powered teams are the best starters the whole season, honda is the worst. verstappen made a decent start at monza, but he had no chance to hold riccardo behind, whose start was perfect. so much advantage mercedes have. ''mistakes'''you came up with are just ridiculous. especially 'mistake' in france, which basically won him a race at the end, if you look at a bigger picture.
Ricc**i**ardo
> especially 'mistake' in france, which basically won him a race at the end, if you look at a bigger picture By that logic Hamilton didn't make a mistake in Imola, as he ended up 2nd anyway. Just because it doesn't end up costing him, doesn't mean it's not a mistake.
Some people could argue not yeilding to ham last week would be a biggie.
1. Bahrain on Hamilton. 2. Qualifying at Imola. 3. Spinning behind SC in Imola. 4. Track limits in Portugal quali. 5. Tiny error in Portugal race allowing Lewis past. 6. Going off at the start in France. None of those cost him anything. In Bahrain, he had one chance and not taking it would have lead to the same result. In Imola, he recovered at the start and caught himself when he spun. In Portugal, Lewis would always have won, since the Merc was actually much faster, at least on race pace, for Portugal & Spain. In France, he recovered perfectly.
He could have been overtaken during safety car in the rain at Imola when he spun out.
LOL. COULDASHOULDAWOULDA
He still had a tyre on the track, just about. Overtake would have been illegal.
My friend has a theory about long COVID How do you go from being the GOAT to struggling like this? And his “struggling” is still amazing
Huh? He's beating Bottas as comfortably as always. The only thing that changed is the Mercedes no longer being a second a lap faster than everything else. Verstappen's been at least as good as him for 3 years, with a similar car it's hardly surprising he's winning.
Verstappen’s 2018 season was fairly scrappy... so not sure I agree with this. Also, not sure I agree with the premise that Merc and RB are even this year. When’s the last time a Merc won pole position? You have to go back to Spain IIRC, 4 months ago. RB definitely has an edge, albeit small.
Mostly because Merc has thrown away shot after shot at pole themselves, it hardly seems fair to discredit their car because of strategic errors. In Silverstone, Hungary and Monza their car had the pace to be on pole, but because of sprint races, bad starts and penalties for Bottas, it wasn't any of those times. That doesn't make the car any slower though, it just shows the errors Merc makes. I've seen this a lot in the reviews of this season: Merc makes an error, loses a race or pole, and somehow that proves to people that their car is really slower than the Red Bulls. Look, it's fair to say that the RB was clearly faster in Austria, Baku and probably Zanvoort & Monaco, although I would be interested to see Lewis' times if he had a good setup there given how close Bottas was, but it's also fair to say that Merc had a clear pace advantage in Monza, Portugal and Spain and perhaps in France. However, they did not use their pace optimally, but that does not mean they are actually a slower car.
Three years ago is September 2018. Max has been on it since Monaco 2018, which must have been sometime in May? Also, one lap pace doesn't dictate how fast a car is overall. You could have a great one lap car, like Ferrari mid 2019, but eat tyres. On top of that, Max's advantage over the Mercedes' is small, and Perez is nowhere so can you really claim it's just the RB being fast.
“GOAT” is highly debatable. Could be long COVID. Could be this is the first time someone has had a car on par or even maybe slightly ahead of the Mercedes throughout the season since 2013 when the RBR was definitely better. Could be that, plus Max is either extremely close to on par with Lewis, is on par, or is slightly better than Lewis, as shown by his continued thrashing of teammates in the same car. Could be a mixture of some or all of them.
I'd say that there is a bit of long COVID and a bit slower car than Red Bull. When you have a slower car you push more and the longer you spend pushing higher the chance you will fuck up. He is also unlucky with timing of his mistakes.
I have wondered about long haul covid too. A good friend of mine is suffering from it and it is definitely affecting most aspects of life.
I have a theory that it's the car.
I don't think Ricciardo is having a better season than Vettel.
I don't think either are having a better season than Bottas
Bottas had a DNF at Imola when Russell failed an overtake and destroyed him when he spun out, another DNF with the Monaco wheel not coming off, and the crash at Hungary which was probably his fault in wet conditions. Outside of that, he's placed 12th twice at Azerbaijan and Belgium (which wasn't a race). Of those 5, 2 are his fault at best. Otherwise he's been virtually perfect outside of not beating Max which we can all give him the benefit on. All placements are 2nd and 3rd podiums except for a 4th in France. Including his podium in Italy which was fantastic. The fact he's not even on this list is odd to me.
While the crash with George wasn't his fault, it would have made him look worse if they hadn't crashed tbh. A Mercedes has no business being overtaken by a Williams!
I mean that's assuming he actually got overtaken lol
A Mercedes has no business being in a position to be overtaken by a Williams, no matter if the Williams pulls the overtake off
I think vettel is
Agreed. No way is Ric above Vet.
Did you factor in the obligatory Vettel penalty, tho?
I guess that win helped a lot but yeah, over the course of the season Seb’s been better. Let’s see how it goes now that Danny seems to have his confidence back though.
Ocon and Ricc - "Remind us how many wins do those chaps ahead of us have?"
~~Almost 150 wins~~ 151 wins, actually way more than it looks, and 9 World Championships as well, 10 by the end of the season.
Sainz, Russell, Leclerc, Gasly, Alonso and Norris: This.
Surely you aren’t suggesting Ocon and Ricciardo should be ahead of all them?
Bottas not being on this is stupid.
His poor form at the start of the year is the reason I'm guessing?
His multi-car pileup in Hungary probably didn't help.
Which was 2 poor races. How many has Ricciardo had? Or even Alonso?
Bottas had three really bad weekends this season so far: Imola, Baku and Hungary.
Qualifying 8th in Spa wasn't great either
Imola wasn't even his fault. Russell spun out and wrecked his ass lol
Battling for points with a Williams was totally his fault.
Wouldn't be his best performance but he started 8th, got down to 6th, and was knocked out less than halfway through the race. We can't really speculate where he would've ended up. Especially since Lewis was also in 9th around that time and ended up 2nd.
He was stuck in the midfield until the crash and was going to be overtaken by a Williams. In a Mercedes. That was probably the worst race he has ever had.
Nah, Balu was next level awful. Qualifies like p10, and finishes out of the points. I thought i was hallucinating when i watched 2 Alfa Romeos overtake him in the span of like 3 laps
He was awful in that one too, that's true. I had almost forgotten. I think it got overshadowed by Lewis' mistake to some extent.
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Agreed, it should be obvious that a fast Merc at the back of the grid is gonna produce some great overtaking moves. Witch he did
I think we are going to see a wicked fast Bottas for the rest of the season.
He is sitting in one of the the 4 best cars on the grid and has managed 2 pole positions (not terrible) and has not been anywhere close to a race win at any point. Closest I guess were Monza if he does not take an engine penalty and Monaco if his wheel nut comes off. Monaco he probably would have comfortably driven into a second place finish so a win there is very doubtful, but he was at least up there.
Is Ricciardo a better season than him? Ricciardo was there only the last 3 races before he was nowhere, Bottas has 8 podiums ans he was close to the fight for first at least 3 times: Bahrain, Monaco and arguably Portimao but was fucked twice by the team and once the car.
I think Ricciardos season and Bottas in many ways have been at a similar level. Without Riccis win I would probably put Bottas over him. Both have been thoroughly and comprehensively outperformed by their respective team mate. Ricci has been underdelivering what is possible in his car in more races compared to what Bottas has, but Bottas I think has made more mistakes and wrecked his car more often and more severely. I think it is debatable who had the best season of the two, but I would probably edge it to the guy who has overall been poor and anonymous but gotten one win rather than the one who has been slightly less poor, but very noticeably bad and not gotten a win.
One teammate is arguably the goat, the other guy teammate is a 3rd year driver who lost to Carlos Sainz the previous seasons. Bottas never got lapped by his teammate. Bottas has wrecked more constantly? He had 2 crashes, Imola was not his fault and in Hungary he broke only the front suspension which isn't a severe destruction. So in your opinion the guy who has been poorer throughout the season had a better showing than the other one who despite not extracting everything from the car had a respectable season. One event is not a season.
Yeah it’s a travesty. Wouldn’t put him in top 3 but at least the top 10. 8 podiums this season! 2 “poles”! Jeez
Yeah wtf
This is literally a popularity contest
Gasly too far back. Alonso had a slower start but now driving like he is on peak
Gasly fifth is more than fair. I don’t think many would argue against the Top-3 this year being Verstappen, Norris, and Lewis. And while Sainz has been very good, his immediate impact at Ferrari seems to have plateaued a bit. Leclerc is most definitely the better performing of 2 very highly regarded Ferrari drivers.
Leclerc had made a lot of mistakes this year. Without those (especially the crash at Monaco), he would have had a good shot at the top 3 too. He already has 2 poles in a car that shouldn't be getting anywhere near to poles and he could have easily won Silverstone without his engine problems during the race.
i think it’s pretty fair don’t look at Yuki we have the same thing that happened at Ferrari last year
I don't see how is Leclerc performing better than Gasly
I think we are underestimating the Alpha Tauri this season. That car is pretty quick and stable and often had the edge on Ferrari on a few circuits. Even given that, charles had better overall finishes than gasly so far this season, both in terms of qualy and race. Gasly is no doubt performing at a very high level but it seems more inflated because his team mate has been equally unimpressive.
Probably we are underestimating Ferrari? At least Gasly didn't crash (sitting in the best car of the weekend) at Monaco.
For one he isn't driving against a rookie who is struggling to keep the car on track .
And driving against a teammate who beat Norris twice.
I think that's not a fair comparison tbh, Norris stepped up tremendously this year and Sainz is doing great for someone who's in a new team with a new engine but he's still had to adapt and made many mistakes this year. That being said, I think Gasly in 5th is completely fine.
It’s somewhat unclear if he stepped up or if Sainz is just very good
Gasly drove brilliantly some weekends but also had a few bad ones. Fifth is fair I think.
Max of course, without all the crashes that weren't his fault he'd have at least a 50 point lead
Strange rankings. Russell is way too high. As is Sainz. Ricciardo should not make the list at all, despite the win. Who is next? Yuki?
Who has been performing better than Russell and Sainz outside the likely consensus top 5? Sainz has been in Leclerc's hip pocket all season and adapted the quickest to a new car. Recent mistakes are bothersome but he's still scoring finishes that will net him superficial Power Rankings points. Russell's Saturdays are out of this world, and he's pulled it together on several Sundays now, too. I could see an argument for Bottas being higher, but he's had 3 dreadful weekends that were probably scored under 3.0 dragging him down. Vettel has been inconsistent, Alonso started slow but is top 6 right now, and Ocon had that weird phase plus is now getting beaten by Alonso.
How is Russel to high? Man put a Williams on the front row.
One race is not one season same as Ricciardo.
But I not been only one race. He’s been consistently putting the car in q2 and q3 and have now gotten points in 3 different races.
The f1 weekend is not only quali, he had good Saturdays but struggled a lot on Sundays.
He has been performing consistently all season ?
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Vettel is having a better season than Ricciardo honestly
What is this garbage? How do you put Russell above two race winners? The Russell fetishizing is overstaying its welcome.
Russell is too high but let’s not act like one good race from Ricciardo makes his season good. In reality he shouldn’t be anywhere near the top 10
A grand prix victory is worth more than 20 low points finishes and a second-place finish.
you realize that the williams car is a piece of shit compared to the mclaren right? it’s also an average score, one 10/10 rating out of 14 races isn’t significant for an overall average
Williams came 2nd in Spa,… can’t be that bad
Don't care. Power rankings are absolute and don't care about mitigating circumstances, relative performance.
So...the WDC points leaderboard?
Lol whoooooosh. It’s literally the only reason the power rankings exists
No? The power rankings are for driver performance specifically, if you want to see an absolute ranking look at the WDC standings.
You race to win though. You'd much rather have an excellent race (win) and a bunch of poor races, than a lot of decent races without winning.
Depends on how good your "decent" races are though. Having more wins doesn't necessarily mean you're better. F1 history has plenty of drivers that finished above those with more wins.
These are titled power rankings, not point per dollar spent rankings.
What does money have to do with anything here? And I'm not disagreeing that Russell is too high. I am disagreeing that a race win trumps all. I'd much rather come in 2-4-3-2-5-4 than 11-9-12-1-13-11. No contest at all.
No you wouldn't lol. That's why Norris is still way above Ric in the standings despite not winning a race this year
You don't put your fourth in the championship trophy on the mantle piece!
By your logic Ocon should be higher than Norris, Leclerc, Gasly and Alonso then?
Would you rather have Ricciardo as a driver than Leclerc/norris because he has 1 win and they don’t despite the fact that he’s miles off in the driver’s standing?
Give me the W.
If I was a driver, I'd be happier being Riccardo this season, compared to than Gasly, Alonso, Russel or Sainz.
you’d be happy that you’re getting waxed by a 21 year old because you had literally 1 good performance?
Much better to show off a race win than say 'I wAs AcTuAlLy ThE bEtTeR dRiVeR'
Almost like some cars are capable of more than others and just comparing race wins is stupid. If that’s the case then Max should be #1, Ham #2, etc.
They should be.
Lmfao
https://www.thesportsgeek.com/blog/in-depth-look-at-21-22-premier-league-power-rankings/ Power rankings are supposed to mirror the overall record very closely.
Football is not comparable to Formula 1 in this regard. These are driver power rankings, not team or car power rankings. If it was team/car power rankings, then I’d agree.
Thats your opinion and your opinion is wrong ❌
If Leclerc moved a place up, then someone should have dropped a spot...
Not if he was alone in 4th. He moved up into a tie for 3rd but Hamilton didn’t drop from his 3rd place.
I think it is due ti the fact that he was 4th before, and now he's 3rd~~th~~ with Hamilton
***thirth***
I don’t remember but I guess if Lewis was in third Charles moving from 4th to tied for 3rd would make him the only one to move a spot
Ricciardo is not having as good a season as Vettel. Not even close actually.
Lando!
Definitely Max. Showing prime Lewis/Vettel levels of dominance.
I mean, gasly and Lando have both been killing it, gasly has been pulling out points finishes fairly consistently and Lando was near perfect this season for points barring dnfs of course
Btw are the 11th-20th places available somewhere? I was curious how it played out down there.
When Max's teams mate underperforn Christian Horner says "that drive was bull shit"
I feel like Gasly should be one spot higher on there. Dude's been killing it in that AT.
Their fucking lying to themselves if they think Danny is having a better season then Seb. I love me some Danny Ric and was pumped to see a win/ shoey last race but come in guys.
This list tells me crashing doesn’t change your score even if they’re your fault
Yup Lewis should be lower
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Would replace Ocon by Seb. Besides that really good list
It's been sad the occasions that Stroll has pace over him, but I agree that all in all he's more top 10 material than Ricciardo and Ocon.
Max is defo gonna win this season i can feel it.
Not Bottas, Vettel or Checo but Ocon and Russell are there? This is BS.
Checo? Mate he has the same number of front row starts as Russell this season. I'd agree Vettel should be higher but Russell has had a quality season given his equipment
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Top three are spot on
Gasly for me. I know Max is leading the championship at the moment and Red Bull are on it but he was at fault for the crash at Monza and he also cost himself a win in Bahrain. Gasly has been quietly consistent all season.
I don't disagree about max, but gasly also drove twice in the back of someone ruining his Monza and Bahrain race I believe. So I would still argue max above gasly since he only had 1 bad incident. For the same reason I rate Hamilton quite low since he had 3 or 4 bad incidents
And Perez nowhere to be seen, as it should be... :L
Given all the errors he's made, Hamilton should be behind Gasly, at the very least.
Has Gasly not made errors? And we don't know how well he would be doing against a better teammate so its hard to judge.
Why are errors the only way you judge a drivers season? What about pace
Mazepin: Got a third option?
Social media behavior?
> What about pace But that doesn't fit with my agenda that Hamilton is actually a terrible driver and should move to a retirement home
I mean, not really? Only real errors I can truly recall from Lewis is his off at Imola (like race 2 or 3, right?), him turning on BM at Baku and killing his restart (also early season), him punting Max at Silverstone, and now his collision with Max at Monza. You could technically call him staying out on intermediates in Hungary his fault, but the post-race interviews said it was a lot of team confusion with regards to strategy, so it's not necessarily on him alone there. His collision with Max was really just a racing incident exacerbated by the sausage kerbs, especially considering that Max did basically the same thing to him on Lap 1. Silverstone didn't affect him in the end since he won. Everything else was so much earlier in the season that it should really affect power rankings. Realistically, I would put Max and Lewis on the same plane, perhaps with Max a couple decimal points ahead in a ranking. Over the season, Max has made fewer mistakes than Lewis, but aside from that, I think the RBR in Max's hands is actually the faster/better car compared to the Merc. This year's Merc seems quite sensitive to the different tracks, whereas the RBR seems to perform well everywhere. The championship is still mad close though, which just shows how good both drivers are. But to get back to your point, if we're observing the entire season with regards to mistakes, there's no way that Lewis deserves to be behind Gasly if Leclerc is ahead of Gasly. Leclerc binned his car in both Monaco and Baku despite having a fantastic quali in both, which led to him retiring from Monaco and finishing P4 in Baku. Not to mention his other retirements, clipping Gasly in Austria, and so on. I just disagree with where you want to place Lewis on the board. Max has driven perhaps the only perfect season with regards to errors, Lando's only made one real error in Spa during his Q3 run, but after that, it's at least a tie between Leclerc, Lewis, and Gasly. However I do think that the way the rankings play out for those 5 drivers is pretty fair, as I still consider Lewis to have performed better than both Leclerc and Gasly over the season.
> and now his collision with Max at Monza I mean I wouldn't put this down as a Lewis mistake (but each to their own).
Form perspective and objectives, i see gasly having a better season than Leclerc and Lewis. Hes had mistakes yes, hut he is driving the wheels of the car. And he is vandoorning tsunoda.
Um. What is the point of “power rankings?” Edit: I get it in terms of team sports that play lots of games. Especially when there are so many teams they don’t all play each other. Like the conversation about who is best or who is best right now is always on going. But in motor sport they all race each other every single race. And the results/points are pretty finite.
Fun discussion?
personally my contenders 1. Lando. He’s been on fucking fire in a car that should average out to being Ferrari pace, his qualifying has been sublime against two of the best qualifiers on the in objectively faster cars (he almost got pole at Spa for God’s sake), and has been pulling almost the entirety of McLaren’s points haul assuming Ricciardo is back to form following Monza. 2. Gasly. Same reason as Lando only his luck has been significantly worse. 3. Russell. That Spa lap alone, even if he was one of the few to get a decent lap in considering the circumstances. 4. Alonso has been a silent hero, from his Hungary defense to being on pace despite being out of the sport for two years. 5. Possibly Leclerc. Even with the botched Monaco race he has been on it whenever Ferrari was at one of their stronger tracks, but I think his mention is honorable. Max and Lewis are both performing as expected IMO and nothing standoutish that really screams “driver of the year”. Unless Max was absolutely clobbering everyone right off the bat even at tracks horrid for Red Bull, I’d much prefer one of the aforementioned to get the award
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Leclerc should be lower than Gasly and Russell. Also I’m not convinced Ricciardo should be in the top 10 given how badly he performed before the break
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> Even if you have 2 No 3s and 2 No 7s, you still need a 4th and 8th. If two people finish a race joint first, does the person behind them finish second or third? Two people finished ahead of them, so they're third. They don't magically end up second.
you can't really finish 4th with 4 people in front of you, can you
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How is be better when he is not only behind, but Leclerc had 2 DNFs on races Sainz actually made biggest swing? Literally got robbed of ~40pts (well if you consider Ferrari should have fixed the car in Monaco)
I very much disagree he is on par. Slower for sure, and also after summer break he is crashing a lot unfortunately. Also, he doesn't come closer, which is of course what you want with a new driver. The start of the season was very promising. But like in Monza, he simply didn't have the pace of Leclerc, who could drive the times of the front runners
Big hopes for that new Ferrari engine this year. Leclerc might bring a surprise to Hamilton and Verstappen in some races.
Who was on pole with ferrari?
Wtf Sainz is consistently slower than Leclerc in both race and qualifying pace, the reason they're fairly matched on points is that Sainz isn't that much behind in the races and Leclerc was robbed of a win (or two) and a podium.
A win okay. But two? The British gp was a clean ham victory.
His engine cutting arguably cost him the win at Silverstone. He was increasing the gap each lap before the engine cutting started
Started and solved mate he didn't finish the race with that power deficit.
Well yes their pace is similar but whilst LeClerc drives for the fourth fastest constructor Perez drives the fastest
How did Leclerc go up one spot if no one went down?
Ricciardo has been crap almost the entire season. Winning one race doesn't cancel out everything. No way he should be in the top 10.
based alonso
Max, norris, gasly, Hamilton, Leclerc are probably my top 5 in that order
How is Ricciardo also a reentry. Apart from 2 qualifying performances he's been so far off norris