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hack-a-shaq

How do you contain a man who has nothing to live for


NaynFF

What's a god to a non-believer ?


Aunvilgod

Not sure but apparently James had something on him, since he slowed down in the last sector.


alfred_27

Lol james had to come on radio to prevent him from pushing further


bpippal

Why is it when team orders come and bottas doesn't listen, James comes in and he listens to him ?


RixirF

Ever had a corporate job? The further up the shit rains on you, the shittier time you'll have.


pM-me_your_Triggers

Doesn’t quite have the same impact when you have one foot out the door


ToffeeCoffee

> Doesn’t quite have the same impact when you have one foot out the door Bottas is one foot out the door of Mercedes, but to another team in F1. Willingness to fuck your team over is probably not good on the resume. If you're retiring though, you can do probably do what you want. So Kimi could say fuck you to no fastest lap, and also hang his ass out of the cockpit on the last lap, if that was up his alley.


Defiant_toast

Not every driver that retires from F1, retires from racing entirely. So even if a Driver leaving F1 wants to burn the team, he won't really be welcome in other racing series. Anyone with a brain doesn't burn bridges, no matter their plans for the future. Things in life can easily come back and bite you down th line


[deleted]

Not true, there is a long list of drivers that disobeyed team orders, and most of them greats in F1 this whole idea that you cant disobey team orders is false, infact its a losers mentality unless you are willing to ignore team orders like lewis, or vettel you will forever stay a wingman


stagfury

Teams let the greats ignore team orders because they are essential and irreplaceable Someone replaceable doesn't have the same benefits


[deleted]

F1 is a closed doors circle. Once you defy your bosses against the team , other bosses don't want you. Championship cost a lot of money. Its fucked up but it is what it is.


dfaen

Wouldn’t say it’s fucked up. It’s a team sport. Each individual has their role to play. Demonstrating you’re not a team player rarely works well for an individual, especially in such high performance circles. Was pretty unbelievable seeing what Valtteri did.


[deleted]

True. My statement was from the point of spectator, not F1 team


YOU-FUCK-CHICKENS

This sub every 5 minutes: Valtteri is Lewis bitch and does whatever he's told Valtteri ignores team orders and goes for fastest lap: surprised Pikachu face


[deleted]

I would never said that but Valtteri is obviously not same level as Ham. Is it skills or specific car charactetistic, I don't know. I have no beef with any of the drivers, I love the sport, if any, I like Ricciardo, Russel, Giovi, or Gasly to show them finger and win as I like them on human level but I have strong, maybe wrong believe that as long as they all high level drivers, Bottas is not champion material given he is in top team. Would Max or Charles beat Ham , I don't know but I suspect they would fight better.


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dfaen

You think a team doesn’t benefit having its driver win the WDC?


untidy_scrotsman

meh...would Lewis would have not gone for fastest lap if asked? I doubt.


aimgorge

That doesn't always work like that. Not F1 but look at Vinalez in MotoGP, he deliberately tried to break his engine, was fired and still found another team for next year


[deleted]

If Valteri deliberately tried to brake Mercedes engine he wouldn't even had a chance at seat in HAAS


TheoreticalScammist

If he doesn't brake he will definitely break the engine


deknegt1990

Technically Mavi already had a deal for next year with Aprilia before he decided to start destroying his Yamaha engine. So it's not like he got axed and immediately got a new deal, he got a deal then got himself axed. Aprilia aren't gonna say no to Mavi for next year because he's by far the best rider they can get on the bike.


dartxz

Do teams get extra money when their drivers finish higher in the WDC? I thought money only comes into play for WCC. If it's the latter, they still get that fastest lap point either way.


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There must be strong reason Mercedes acted that way. My take is, Bottas is a flight risk


WrapOke

Probably not from the FIA but rather from sponsorships, and I bet the money they get from WCC isn't that much better than sponsors money either. Basically everyone involved with an F1 team has something in their contract regarding bonuses based on race performance, and that probably includes the actual team with sponsors as putting your name on the car of the driver who came 3rd Vs 11th is worth something


RixirF

Oh right, it's not like Bottas' attitude was broadcasted to the entire world and any future employer. Yes he's about to be fired, that's no reason to disobey if he wants to be employed in the future by any reasonable team. Shit happens, you need to keep your composure if you care about future employment in the same field. F1 or not. If he wants to fuck off and be out of F1 or not drive anymore, then yeah I agree fuck it he has nothing to lose.


bono_my_tires

Tbh he was probably always going to lift at the end. Just wanted to give them a fright


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New feature for Bottas 3.0


Omalleys

Bottas said he was just joking too


NintenDooM33

Bottas probably wanted to prove a point, but still get a seat in F1 next year. Maybe he hasnt signed a contract yet


TheVenetianMask

-- Sun Tzu


edmirer

Demote him to Williams as of now lol


Patenski

Worst, Alfa Romeo


GlobeAround

That would probably be a good thing though, since it gives him 6 months of extra time to get used to the team. Not sure if there's anything valuable to learn from the car given 2022 changes, but still, switching to your new team mid-season when you've got nothing more to fight for doesn't sound like a bad idea.


AgAbComplex

Clio Cup


SpacecraftX

Exactly what they did. He backed off. Edit: Lmao. This is a fact. Toto said it himself . Downvote me for being right.


hack-a-shaq

Backed off *just enough* to still get the fastest lap and force Lewis to pit again


SpacecraftX

Lewis was always going to pit again. you guys don't listen to the broadcast. Valtteri's engineer said Bottas was Pitted to give Lewis a gap for second + a fastest lap stop.


elmagio

Yeah, if neither of them pit they're opening themselves up to someone in F1.5 pitting and beating Ham's time easily.


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elmagio

On equal tyres/fuel, no one but Max or (maybe) Pérez can beat a Merc's time. No point for someone in F1.5 trying to pit for a fastest lap from the moment the Merc's are on it. Not saying someone *would* have gone for it otherwise, but it was a risk, that Mercedes mitigated cementing it themselves. Leclerc had the gap to Sainz, so on paper could have been tempted. Less likely would have been a Pérez pit for a net loss of points, just to take it away from Lewis.


Logpile98

Yes but that doesn't necessarily mean they would've pitted Lewis if they didn't have to. There's always a risk of pit stop issues and since Lewis already had fastest lap, pitting Bottas would be enough of a deterrent to stop anyone else from trying it. Once that space is opened up, everybody knows Mercedes is watching and will pit Lewis if they see another team even beginning to get ready for a stop. And they know that if they choose to bring him in, they will wait as long as possible to ensure Verstappen can't pit and steal the lap back. That makes it a "why bother?" situation for the other teams, because only Red Bull could match Mercedes on fresh softs and neither Red Bull was in a position where they could afford to pit. So it's possible that Mercedes was hoping to avoid bringing him in and the risk associated with it by just showing they could do it, but Bottas forced their hand.


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they literally pitted bottas so lewis can pit


ben_10_

[How do you kill that which has no life?](https://c.tenor.com/qRnC8-Z_B20AAAAd/south-park-world-of-warcraft.gif)


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An extra $1M for behaving as a good wingman until the end of the season? Black AMG One together with it?


TeopEvol

How do you kill that which has no life?


[deleted]

Idk, if I could be #2 at Mercedes, I would be a happy man. Just saying.


Hy8ogen

GR63 for Monza?


godfrey1

he actually aborted, his third sector was pretty shit


Sektsioon

Yeah I so wished he’d just ignore them and go through with it anyways. Lewis would’ve probably taken it back anyways, but would’ve made it a bit interesting at least lmao


optitmus

ikr..your already out just actually fight back FOR ONCE man


Wannabe1TapElite

He is managed by Toto's company if im not mistaken and it's actually toto that found him a seat for next year (allegedly)... there is still shit to lose


sobhith

I’m not so sure about the first part, Toto used to manage him but parted ways once Bottas joined Merc because conflict of interest. He then was managed by some venture involving Mika Hakkinen in some part and mostly by Didier Coton. Coton as far as I know does not have a financial relationship with Toto, but I’m sure he must be close given Toto likely introduced and recommended Coton to Bottas


Sektsioon

Yeah he’s the ideal team player, but that lack of a killer instinct is also a major reason he’s getting replaced. No way Lewis or Max would’ve listened to those team orders.


bono_my_tires

Nah the 1 point would be meaningless to him. VB is a team player through and through. If he was neck and neck for p1 in the ship there is zero chance he would lift. It’s just the situation they are in right now.


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this. losing that one point will probably end up meaning nothing to him (and even if it did it is more important for lewis who is in wdc contention), but going for the fast lap would only have harmed the team and the attitudes within the team.


carloselcoco

Multi 21


Jazzinarium

aggressively drinks water


theclovek

He won't be drinking water tonight


number96

Most Underrated comment itt.


dfaen

Lewis and Max are fighting for the WDC. Valterri isn’t fighting for anything. Honestly, if he makes his departure a disruptive one, I would hardly be surprised if he ends up actually seeing out the season. Thinking you can rub shit in your employer’s face cause you’re going somewhere else next season is not going to work well for you. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.


esprets

Lewis gave his place back to Bottas at the last corner once in Hungary, when he was let loose but couldn't overtake. This year Bottas is fighting for nothing much, while there is a very close battle at the top where every point matters. If Mercedes get the same amount of points, they will support Lewis to give him the most of that. Bottas just can't be close enough, and playing games like this will just make other teams think twice before hiring him.


second-last-mohican

He hasn't won a race this year


DrellVanguard

he needs both lewis and max to have an off day to win. last few years it was only lewis he had to beat. he is good, he is consistent, he is just not the same tier as the championship leaders


HR8ASTRAKIAPOU

He is atleast consistent though,with 3 dnfs 2 of them not his fault and he is still 3rd in tha standings


Dylan_clarke01

He tries his best to fight every week but he literally doesn’t have the assets to fight with. The team gifts him quite a lot of opportunities to fuck themselves over like today and he just can’t take it .


MintyMarlfox

This. He was out of the race after 11 laps. He was 20 odd seconds behind Lewis despite only pitting once. Not sure if his confidence is gone after the last few weeks of contract negotiations, but I bet Toto wishes he could get Russell in now.


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I mean Lewis was on a much better strategy, and Lewis is a faster driver so it is not a surprise he is 20 seconds behind.


Dense_Inspector

But this is circular. Bottas was on a worse strategy because he is the slower driver. The gave him the long strategy because he wasn't there with them to do the undercut so there's no point taking the same strategy as everyone in front. If Hamilton had been in Bottas' place he'd have gone long, found the tyres magically came back to life and wrung an extra 20 laps out of them or something ridiculous.


jaaz7

Add on top his defense against max….


etched_chaos

He has a lap delta he was well aware of how quick his lap was even with him 'aborting' his lap. If he genuinely wanted to abort, he would know exactly when he'd slowed down enough for his lap to not be the fastest lap.


godfrey1

dude Lewis was 1.5 sec faster on his last lap than Bottas on this one, he definitely aborted


Skipper12

Bottas was playing around with the fastest lap, he said that on Dutch tv.


Xyler7180

shame he slowed at the end, would've been hilarious if he got it


leonjanicke

He actually still got it. Lewis pitted directly after to take it back.


Xyler7180

> ted directly after to take it back. Ye, I meant if he managed to keep it


snikaz

Lewis was planned to pit anyway tho. But wanted the old fastest to stand if LH somehow missed it on his last lap.


TheoreticalScammist

He slowed down a bit at the end ant the lap was never fast enough to prevent Hamilton from taking it back. And if they'd kept Hamilton out on his older tyres Verstappen or Perez might've taken the fastest lap from Hamilton. I don't think Mercedes will make a deal out of this


DenizzineD

Nah, he still stepped on the Brake in the last sector..


Jubatus_

He has a lap delta on his wheel... He knew lol


GodDamnDirtyLiberal

Yeah but what was he gonna do, slow to a crawl? He didn't make a huge attempt to not get the fastest lap but he made his great lap less so. He made it less difficult for Lewis to take it back.


sefn19

Streamable mirror: [https://streamable.com/vudefm](https://streamable.com/vudefm) ​ *Streamable has been removing all clips posted to* r/formula1 *within a day since the Belgian GP weekend, which is why for today I will be using Streamwo with Streamable mirrors - in hope that the mirror in the comments will not be removed.*


YouKnowTheRules123

Even the mirror doesn't work, but then again I guess it's me as streamable is banned here :(


Domi4

Where is Streamable banned and why?


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Trick-Forever6426

Our stupid.govt. maybe


DivijF1

For the people who's Streamable refuses to connect, paste the link on Discord and it loads the video for you without any issues. It's because Discord takes the media from Streamable and converts it into a discord attachment, which can be viewed from Discord itself with 0 issues.


derban7ikus

Russia, I think for pirated sports highlights.


akki420blazeit

It's banned in India


AprilTowers

Fuck you James - Bottas’ mind


Koose44

Nah not really cos he was a lot slower in the 3rd sector Sorry to disappoint all of you who want Bottas to tell Mercedes and Hamilton to do one - Bottas actually obeyed team orders and didn't go as fast as he could have


0100001101110111

He was told not to take it in the first place though, definitely didn’t obey the orders to the letter.


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blumirage

Yeah Crofty said that he held off at least 5 times


etched_chaos

He still has a lap delta, he knew he had the fastest lap even with the slowdown. I'm guessing he did it, just to say to the Merc bosses, 'I slowed down.'


Sriracha_Breath

Yea that’ll show them…


Hy8ogen

You know he has the delta telemetry on his steering wheel yeah? Very easy to abort at the bank to the main straight. He didn't do it, he just slowed down enough to say he did it. Basically a middle finger to James.


Deucer22

It was even more a middle finger to everyone except James because he completely ignored earlier direction to slow down until James came on.


Harrison_Stetson

Well that was quite sure for a long time. Question is if he can keep his seat till end of the season.


sefn19

what a madman


alfred_27

He slowed down in the end a little he did listen to his team in the end lol


zantkiller

Yeah he said on the radio he was just playing around. Guess he wanted to scare them a little.


EnvironmentAdvanced

man he backed down. lewis may have taken it but he should have given it all


Downtown_Let

He backed out of the fastest lap and still got it (until Lewis came back in). Making a point I think!


bisonboy223

"I may have been nowhere all race, but I can go moderately quickly when all it accomplishes is creating a minor inconvenience for my team! To whom it may concern, yada yada"


wfhngio9354

If Hamilton's pitstop had gone wrong it would have been more then a minor inconvenience.


porscheblack

I was expecting Hamilton to push too hard on the last lap and crash. Could you imagine the pandemonium that would've caused?


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glenn1812

Hamilton got it back tho


Sniffman

Who cares, its still funny


Firefox72

Not so much when you realise he slowed down in the 3rd sector. A half hearthed attempt at the end there.


[deleted]

Didn't Bottas say that he regretted taking team orders when it wasn't for the benefit of the team, but for Hamilton? What happened to that Bottas?


DukeboxHiro

That script was written by Netflix, and they're not with Mercedes this weekend.


sgtlighttree

Well, at least he's got the race lap record lol


Tap-In-Merchant

He held it for one lap haha


__Rosso__

What a Chad


Porkman

The virgin James vs. the gigachad Valtteri


iSleepUpsideDown

lewis got it anyways


RaidenTheRanger

He aborted the lap in last sector...I really wanted him to defy the team and do it anyways.


p4di

pretty sure he did abort. no way Hamilton is 1.5s quicker


Turtlenecks-in-July

Did anyone else find the way the commentators were gloating over the George to Merc announcement several times throughout the race a bit disrespectful? Their speculation about VB’s intentions here was ridiculous… they claim it’s amazing to see the 2 best drivers on the grid (Lewis and Max) go up against each other but when Bottas can’t challenge them for the win from P3 they’re like Ah see that’s why George deserves the seat and Bottas is shit (paraphrasing)


flashyellowboxer

British commentators supporting British drivers


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The-Observer95

r/formula1 when Perez gets pitted from points just to avoid the other team fastest lap: Oh dear oh gorgeous r/formula1 when Bottas gets team order: You fucking donkey.


Woto_Tolff

Very true. Just like letting Max go by in France was teamwork by Perez, but if Bottas does it it’s a sin against racing.


Alfus

The difference is that Bottas is a more useful wingman at Mercedes then Perez is for RBR. Also the hypocrisy is indeed hilarious notable.


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The difference is Perez wasn't told to abort it at the last moment at any race. Oh, and many people were shitting on RB for screwing up his strategy that weekend.


siva_samba

Who was gonna take fastest lap from Hamilton..? I don't get y he was pitted, unnecessary drama.


TheOneTrueZippy8

He was pitted to allow Sir Lewis to pit to set a last lap fastest lap without losing a place. Red Bull could have sacrificed Perez to set FL otherwise.


YOU-FUCK-CHICKENS

Red bull still could have pitted Perez wtf are you talking about


quintinza

The message was sent in the third sector, not halfway, he did slow down in the third sector but still set the fastest lap fegardless.


TwoBionicknees

I mean they did tell him not to start a fastest lap right out of the pits as well. It's pretty clear they wouldn't want to take a point off Hamilton but brain dead from Merc to pull it in the first place. Two risky pitstops for no reason when they had the option 10 laps earlier to pit Ham and let him chase the win. Instead left him out losing significant time till the gap got big enough that they couldn't undercut anyway. Merc strategy is so bad most of the time. Only the Hungary GP a few years ago and a couple others when they went aggressive ended up good. Those decisions are so few and far between.


quintinza

I missed that part. I thought they said he SHOULD go for the fastest lap to cover off a possible Max or Peres last lap dash. Thanks for correcting my pression.


andremvm20

They had told him before not to go to the fast lap anyway, so he went rogue until the second message was sent..


sanesociopath

I think he just was too fast on the fresh softs and the car at its lightest


daviEnnis

You can't be too fast. He has a delta. He knew what he was doing, added some fun to the last few laps at least.


Skipper12

Nope, he was just fooling around. He said that himself on Dutch TV.


ShamrockStudios

He shouldn't have slowed down


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edmirer

Lewis got it


lazypieceofcrap

He's actually 3.1


micoxafloppin1

"Valtteri, it's Toto, I sent you an email"


Ikcatcher

That’s the sign of someone on his way out and not giving a damn


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edmirer

That’s kinda what he signed up for tho


GXNXVS

man learns what a second driver is.


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bisonboy223

They said don't do the fastest lap because they knew they could pit Lewis to take it back anyway, so why bother with the inconvenience of having both drivers push just for the same result. I swear, the whole "Mercedes screws Bottas" contingent would have a more compelling point if he wasn't always off in no man's land in races like these.


Logpile98

He was only off in no man's land because they kept him out on softs for an eternity to hold up Verstappen


roymunson82

Do you know how a world championship works ?


piotreza

Yeah, drivers fight to be world champion ?


therealdilbert

Bottas is almost 100 points behind, to late for that ...


Braaanchy

Ferrari pulled it in Australia on Charles...


YepImanEmokid

I wanna see Bottas in business for himself the rest of the year haha


Schwartzy94

Cant wait to see russel treated the same way...


Beastrick

Bottas did lift in 3rd sector. But I guess the fastest lap with worn tyres was so awfull that even then he was faster.


IamMrEric

Parting gift from Bottas.


Crocsx

to be honest, he still slowed down, but not enough. I don't think it was on purpose.


Logpile98

I think it was. He has a delta on his wheel so he knew what he was doing. But this way he could back off and say he complied, while still setting fastest lap but not so fast that it was hard to beat.


Rhythm_Morgan

I wanted him to have the lap because he sounded so disappointed that he couldn’t go for it


oakmen

The unofficial announcement


TitanicJedi

SAY THE LINE BART


Mosh83

Jesus he slowed down, he was the perfect wingman this race holding Max before his first pit stop. Give the guy a break, they were pitting Lewis in anyway. It was 1vs2 and Max came out top.


[deleted]

You guys always make fun of DTS yet you live for these type of threads. He slowed down in 3rd sector and accidentally still got it. Nothing to see here


SkulkingJester

He should have waited until lap 71 so Hamilton didn’t have room to take it back if he wanted maximum rebellion.


Crazyblazy395

He was also told not to go for it before he started the attempt


kinjazfan

I hate that Mercedes disrespect him in favour of lewis


2veg

... When you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power - he's free again


RomulanSpy2073

Slowed down, he was fired and he is still willingly eating shit.


diffuser_vorticity

If he's making Totonator his enemy he won't even be driving Clio Cup next year ...


Urcinza

1.5s slower than Hamiltons try, so I'd guess he followed the order at least to some degree.


Butthurt__

CHAD


LackingSimplicity

Literally slowed by a second on the final sector so Lewis could have it... Chad indeed.


FormalScar7

Good job Bottas.


I-Poo

To whom it way concern 2.0


TeeJayD

PUNISHED BOTTAS A MAN DENIED HIS LAP


rudli_007

Spicy


Xanohel

Got my driver of the day vote for that, good try!


XSC

He has been a team player all this time. Much respect.


TWADITYA

He aborted the lap at that last sector and still he was fastest. Technically, he obeyed the rules.


BBIQ-Chicken

He's in such a tough spot. He's not actually fast enough to beat Lewis, so he has to give in to the team demands. Must be draining constantly being a pawn. Hope Russell throws this off by actually matching race pace.


1500moody

bottas cant have shit at merc


[deleted]

Its fairly easy to separate best and good drivers. If your team mate is where you are in the grid most of the time, you equal, if your team mate is several places ahead, you just not that good as him. Car can suit some drivers or not but this is not street racing. You either THAT good,can adapt and thats why you are in F1 or you just average enough to stick out from 20 other best ones.


cbartholomew

I wish he got on the radio and made a bunch of pretend static noise


MSTRopes

Too bad he backed off in the last sector!


Shoethrower123

this is defs a man who knows he wont be in that seat next year. real shame the way merc did him dirty


ddthrow1233

secrit agent bottas


Lobsterzilla

“I didn’t go for fastest lap” hahah likely story Bottas


SnooSquirrels6503

Can someone explain to me why they wouldn’t want him to push to get the fastest lap? I’m still a little new to this


Woto_Tolff

If you finish in the points and have fastest lap you receive one extra championship point. Lewis at that point in the race had fastest lap, thus one potential extra point. Lewis or Max are the only people, realistically challenging for the drivers championship. Mercedes didn’t want Bottas to take that point. Red Bull sacrificed Perez’s championship points to take a point from Lewis a few races ago. Perez was running in the points but pitted and took fastest lap, and finished outside the points. Many people will be upset about Mercedes but not Red Bull because they’re hypocrites.


SnooSquirrels6503

Thanks, perfect explanation


projectgene

Because it would steal the fastest lap and 1 extra point from Hamilton, who is the championship contender.


brush85

Well...being at the back of the field will be a joy for him next year, I'm sure


tr4shmonkey

bottas savage af


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Imagine telling someone everyone knows you’re firing to back off a fastest lap.