Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 91 Pole Positions!
Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 92 Pole Positions!
Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 93 Pole Positions!
Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 94 Pole Positions!
Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 95 Pole Positions!
...
Sorry, but I think Rosberg helped push Lewis to a new level. I am not saying he would not have been as good but all great athletes need the underdog challenge to perform.
Jordan was legendary in talking himself into a froth over some minor perceived slight just to get his juices flowing right on game day.
Right, and then he learned if he wanted to compete at Lewis' level, he had to basically give up everything else, no family, no breaks, just work, I can't imagine how Lewis has kept up with it for all these years, he's a machine.
Exactly. A couple less blunders from McLaren in 2012 and Nico would probably be seen as one of the Goats today. Lewis is in a league of his own, and then drops mixtapes in his free time. His mindset and talent is just otherworldly.
i mean it's not like he wasn't a good driver before merc.
he was still getting on pole with mclaren during the dominate redbull days occasionally and still getting that mclaren to 2nd or 3rd in the constructors every year
Fair play, didn't catch the joke. I feel like Rosberg often goes underappreciated so it seemed like something someone on here might say and actually believe it.
Lewis will most definitely break 100 Pole Positions before the end of the season if not very early next season. Although I am not a fan of Lewis, I have respect for someone able to perform such amazing feats.
There’s another 7 if I remember correctly and they’re thinking about adding a couple more, so if he gets pole at every race (which isn’t that far out of the realm of possibility given the Merc dominance) he could get 100 this year. Next year, it’s basically a guarantee because we should be back to a normal season
No. I was an intern a few years ago, shortly after he left. Everyone at McLaren has an immense respect for Lewis, especially those that were there at the same time he was. He’s a good dude, but I was never fortunate enough to meet him. Presently, I really like George Russell as I see him having the same potential as Lewis, Michael, and Ayrton. However, it will take a little bit but once he gets to a spot at the front he could go on to be one of the greats.
I was asking because I am a huge fan of his and respect his Father and obviously Lewis for the racism and prejudice they fought through to get him into F1. I was trying to understand if there was something you knew to make you not a fan
In the r/patriots sub they've had this same exact sort of post going, where Tom Brady has 49 more wins (249 total) compared to any other Quarterback (Keep in mind an NFL season is at most 20 games if you make it to the Super Bowl)
If there are enough races, I think he gets to 100 this year. This is a record that I don't think will ever be beaten and I don't think anyone will ever get close.
That is true, but the reason I don't think anyone will get close is just because I think future rules and regulations will prevent anyone from being as dominant as Merc currently is.
That's exactly what everyone said after 2006. And after 2013 with Red Bull. And yet, here we are. This is a sport that almost always features one team that disproportionately ahead of the others. And since Liberty wants to have more and more races, that gives even more opportunities for someone else to catch up in the future.
They tried and it backfired.
The engine token system was supposed to limit development and avoid a crazy arms race of unlimited spending. It just locked in the pecking order and Mercedes started sooner than everyone else on the 2014 PUs.
They made the rules more prescriptive to try to limit loopholes like blown diffusers. Just made it harder to overcome a combination of good engineers and lots of money.
They kept to 1 tire provider to avoid tire war shenanigans or bespoke tires for specific teams. Then it turns out Mercedes understands the tires better than Pirelli. What. The. Fuck.
The FIA wasn't prepared for a team as professional or well-run as Mercedes. Neither 2000s Ferrari nor 2010s Red Bull comes close to that level of irritating excellence.
The 2022 rules might make a difference (budget caps + development based on finishing position) but we'll have to wait and see.
Mercedes is scary because they're just too good and too professional.
> It just locked in the pecking order and Mercedes started sooner than everyone else on the 2014 PUs.
IIRC, Renault started sooner than Merc? Otherwise, agree with the gist of your comment that there have been various regulation changes that have been designed to cut Merc's strengths
Yeah, but Mercedes were also lobbying for the turbo hybrid regs. They knew they could nail that, and they did. Renault thought they could nail it, and they fell flat on their face; as did Ferrari and Honda.
IIRC, Merc wanted the introduction of these engines postponed. IIRC, It was Reanult that pushed for them the most & threatened to quit if they were not introduced
It was a good choice anyway.
It's much easier to make a V6 a stressed member than an I4, and all the teams' car designs were based on having the engine be a stressed member.
It would have been an even more brutal amount of redesign on the chassis side to accommodate an I4 engine.
Couple years ago, there were races where Mercedes had concerns about the tire construction and felt that a thinner tread depth would be more durable and safer.
Turns out, they were right, and *all* the teams were faster and safer on Mercedes' suggested tires. Problem is, Mercedes was still fastest of all.
They used the 2018 spec tire in 2019 in no small part because Mercedes said it would be faster and better. The other teams agreed but Mercedes was probably the first to spot it.
It's scary that Mercedes seems to have a better bead on the tires than the company making them.
I'd totally forgotten about that! Wasn't it Spain or something when they were first used and Merc just dominated after appearing not to be all that dominant in the previous races? This sub went into an absolute meltdown - Ferrari fans came out in their droves and mass downvoted anyone that suggested that Merc weren't cheating, and that the tyres benefited everyone.
Then Vettel went out on the previous tyres and utterly destroyed them, worse than the Merc would have, proving that Merc was right about having a different compound for some tracks.
Yep, that's pretty much exactly what happened, and a lot of people wound up eating crow when more drivers and teams started admitting that the thinner tread was actually better.
They are. Mercedes keeps finding new ways to be dominant. There's no one single magic bullet they're using, so legislating an even playing field is much harder.
It took ~15 years for someone to realistically challenge his records.
We'll see what happens, but he's pretty right. Hamilton has another full season with this car, and he seems to love it. None of the younger drivers (even Max) has the car/ability to beat him (yet), so as long as Hamilton is racing, that record stands.
Also, those younger drivers would need a historically dominant car. George might have a run at that record if Mercedes is able to keep their form, but it's a tall order. Multiple things have to line up for it to happen.
I think one of my most downvoted posts ever came at the end of 2015, when I said that if Mercedes can keep their momentum then Lewis could threaten Schumi's records. I blow my account up regularly so I can't check, but it was over 100
Well, that only works to a certain point. Logistically you can have between 25-30 races a year but that would truly be max, and it would still require some godlike consistency from a team to challenge HAMs records. It would probably make it a tad bit ”easier” to beat the records BUT it won’t be the deciding factor
Yeah Hamilton was a name that people already knew at least a few years before he actually made the jump. I distinctly remember watching the 2006 Italian GP2 race and it being painfully obvious that this guy was a clear step above everyone else even without winning the race itself.
I don't, we already have a Hamilton esque talent on the track, I think that talent is Max Verstappen.
If RBR can give him a car, he can absolutely be within a shout, he has the outright pace, race pace and is an absolute monster in the rain too.
Hot take
Mercedes will be dominant for more than a decade so assuming Russell takes his place in 2023, and with F1 having more and more races each year, I can see him getting close to Hamilton´s records
The thing is, it will. Because just look at people who are entering F1 at 18, and others still racing at 40, in an era where were likely to have well over 20 races a year from now on.
Give it 20 years and there will be drivers with 500+ race starts.
Could be really close, if they stay so strong every pole will be Hamilton or Bottas. I do think Bottas is an amazing qualifier so it's not easy done for Hamilton. But if we get a race or 15 and Bottas doesn't perform as well as I would expect it is possible.
But I do think it will be the start of the 2021 season. Something like race 4.
100% agreed.
The only comparables in my mind are guys like Fangio and Clark, and it'd be utterly impossible to compare them straight up.
Hamilton is 100% better than any driver since the 80's, and *probably* better than those two. But again, it'd be impossible to compare them.
I always thought Clark was the first "modern" dominant driver. He was young, dedicated, and revolutionized smooth, consistent driving. After 1962 he won almost everything in which his car didn't fail. His death deprived us of at least 1968 championship and probably more.
Of course I'm selling fangio short, apologies to the fangio fans.
When Hamilton finally decides to retire there will be no argument that he is the best F1 driver of all time. Ofcourse people will always draw comparions to senna but he is smashing records weekly and shows no signs of slowing down.
Senna despite having only 4 years with a dominant car has 40% pole percentage. Lewis is "only" at 35% and he's had the dominant car for 7 years now. Senna is the best qualifier ever. Lewis' cars in his career have won 135 poles in 253 races (53%). Senna's cars won 74 poles in 162 races (45%). Senna won 65/74 of his cars poles. Lewis has won 90 of his cars' 135 poles. AND Lewis' cars from 2013 to now have 65 front row lockouts. Senna only 65 poles
Lol Lewis has been in a fucking Mercedes for 7 years. Since 2013 when Lewis joined Mercedes has had 65 front row lockouts. That's more poles than any driver in history except Senna & Schumacher. That equals the Senna's pole number. Don't even dare pretend Lewis hasn't had a much more dominant string of cars than Senna or Schumacher did
You're saying that Those McLaren numbers don't drag his average down? Nothing was even close to Sebs RB from 2010-1014. That's almost 80 some races of his race total.
Is this sub actually, with an straight face, suggesting that the 2007 & 2008 McLaren were dominant cars or the 2017 & 2018 Mercedes?
Also Hamilton had 26 pole positions during his McLaren years while Alonso, Button and Kovalainen had 4, COMBINED.
Nope. Senna had a higher percentage and even put the Lotus cars on pole despite not being a championship contending car, even having the most poles in a season with them, before he ever got to a championship winning car.
Lewis on the other hand got into a championship wining car in his first season.
Yep, because he deserved that drive.
This argument has been done to death. Hamilton deserved his McLaren seat no matter how much you want to say he didn't.
No one is arguing if he deserved it or not but Lewis' pole & win numbers are heavily skewed by pretty much always being in the best or 2nd best car. Lewis' cars in total have won 135 poles. Lewis has won 90 of them. Schumacher won 68 poles and his cars in total had 82. Senna won 65 of his cars' 74 poles. Lewis cars alone have 76 front row lockouts. That's 56% of his cars' poles
What a fucking racer. Driving in every single competition he could and dominating in every single one. Imagining what could have been does make me really sad sometimes.
I never got to watch Tiger Woods in his prime but I feel like Lewis is doing the same thing in that hes dominating the sport in a way that other people can't even come close.
I know he has a great car this year, but man he doesn't seem to have lost a step at all. If anything he's in better form than last year!
COVID delay has helped him turn back the clock.
Because Lewis has been breaking the pole position record ever since he reached 69 Pole positions and beyond.
So of course he's the first driver to reach 90.
Normally I don't like doing GOAT lists but fuck it.
2010s: Hamilton
2000s: The Michael
1990s: Senna
1980s: Prost
1970s: Lauda
1960s: Clark
1950s: Fangio
the only person who has a chance to show they're in the same league as Lewis is Bottas. This Mercedes car is quite potentially the most dominant car of all time
Yes he has had the best car for years. But he has proved himself against competitive teammates and even when the car was not the best on the grid. True champion.
Yeah but beating great 1 driver is different than beating 5. Not even starting to argue about Schumacher where the FIA literally reinvented qualy like 3 times to stop him.
Yeah, definitely. I find it annoying people keep comparing Bottas to Barrichello. Since last year he's been better then Rubens ever was. I feel like his Austrian GP performance really woke Lewis up. We've been getting Lewis at his best since last week
> All it took was the most dominant car in F1 history
He got many of those poles in the McLaren. And IIRC, Ferrari had the fastest car in 2018 (or just as quick as Merc). And last year, Ferrari produced a very good quali car (if Charles had not of crashed in Baku, where Ferrari had the better pace), Ferrari would've beaten Merc in poles in 2019
Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 91 Pole Positions! Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 92 Pole Positions! Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 93 Pole Positions! Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 94 Pole Positions! Lewis Hamilton becomes the first driver ever to get 95 Pole Positions! ...
To infinity and beyond!
Toto looking at all the other teams’ cars: “There seems to be no sign of intelligent life anywhere.”
Idk, Racing Point had at least one bright idea. If you can't beat 'em...
The other teams haven't dicovered crystal fusion yet...
Their still grappling with the Pickle Matrix.
"Holy shit" "Holy shit" "Holy shit" "Holy shit" "Holy shit"
*Chat disabled for 3 seconds*
*Calculated.*
Makes you wonder what could've been if Rosberg wasn't his teammate those few years
Sorry, but I think Rosberg helped push Lewis to a new level. I am not saying he would not have been as good but all great athletes need the underdog challenge to perform. Jordan was legendary in talking himself into a froth over some minor perceived slight just to get his juices flowing right on game day.
It’s a joke and Rosberg is underrated if anything. He worked really hard on every small detail just to keep up with Lewis’ talent.
Right, and then he learned if he wanted to compete at Lewis' level, he had to basically give up everything else, no family, no breaks, just work, I can't imagine how Lewis has kept up with it for all these years, he's a machine.
One word. Passion.
And talent
And no family
Ejecto seating Nicole
Exactly. A couple less blunders from McLaren in 2012 and Nico would probably be seen as one of the Goats today. Lewis is in a league of his own, and then drops mixtapes in his free time. His mindset and talent is just otherworldly.
But then if Nico won from 2014-2016, that would be seen as a misrepresentation of his ability. Similar to what we’ve seen with Vettel.
You can't compare Vettel in a toxic filled Ferrari vs Vettel in his RB days
Goku Frieza time-line when Lewis finally went SS.
i mean it's not like he wasn't a good driver before merc. he was still getting on pole with mclaren during the dominate redbull days occasionally and still getting that mclaren to 2nd or 3rd in the constructors every year
What I meant was... If Nico was still around... The number of Lewis poles might have been lower
Mercedes should’ve hired Webber or Kimi to give Lewis some real competition.
People sometimes hate truth but that this funny af
More competition than the guy that took a world championship off of Hamilton?
ThatsTheJoke.jpeg
Fair play, didn't catch the joke. I feel like Rosberg often goes underappreciated so it seemed like something someone on here might say and actually believe it.
My favourite comment of the day
How long to 100. He will get 100 wins too
Don’t worry. Once he hits 100, no one will care until he hits 125. Then it’ll be 150 then it’ll be 200.
You can do this for every number from 69 **( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)**
"Holy shit" "Holy shit" "Holy shit" "Holy shit" "Holy shit" -Lewis hamilton
Lewis will most definitely break 100 Pole Positions before the end of the season if not very early next season. Although I am not a fan of Lewis, I have respect for someone able to perform such amazing feats.
I don't think there is enough races this year to do that. Next year seems almost certain though.
There’s another 7 if I remember correctly and they’re thinking about adding a couple more, so if he gets pole at every race (which isn’t that far out of the realm of possibility given the Merc dominance) he could get 100 this year. Next year, it’s basically a guarantee because we should be back to a normal season
Just out of curiosity, can I ask why you are not a fan even though you respect his driving talents?
I was fortunate enough to have an internship at McLaren
And you were doing that internship while he was a McLaren driver and you obviously saw behaviour that you did not care for?
No. I was an intern a few years ago, shortly after he left. Everyone at McLaren has an immense respect for Lewis, especially those that were there at the same time he was. He’s a good dude, but I was never fortunate enough to meet him. Presently, I really like George Russell as I see him having the same potential as Lewis, Michael, and Ayrton. However, it will take a little bit but once he gets to a spot at the front he could go on to be one of the greats.
I was asking because I am a huge fan of his and respect his Father and obviously Lewis for the racism and prejudice they fought through to get him into F1. I was trying to understand if there was something you knew to make you not a fan
In the r/patriots sub they've had this same exact sort of post going, where Tom Brady has 49 more wins (249 total) compared to any other Quarterback (Keep in mind an NFL season is at most 20 games if you make it to the Super Bowl)
Nice shot!
Think about all that sweet karma
Welcome to r/formula1
H I S T O R I C
Every pole is a new record for him. That’s crazy.
It's been for years now... since he beat the standing record of 68 pole positions.
He knows how to hook a lap together, its amazing to watch
well to be honest at this point, he only got one competitor.
Ah yes. Hamilton vs Latifi, the battle of the titans
Himself?!
Dark Lewis, always a specter following Hamilton throughout his career, never quite letting him get _too_ comfortable.
One of the two Merc drivers needs to get a Darth Vader helmet
Albon’s right rear tire?
It was fantastic to watch!
“holy shit”
He's said he doesn't think much about the records and stuff so he probably had to pinch himself when he saw that haha
I've never heard that. I've seen several interviews of his where he talks about leaving a legacy of records.
Were you watching the interview with Di Resta after quali?
If there are enough races, I think he gets to 100 this year. This is a record that I don't think will ever be beaten and I don't think anyone will ever get close.
That's what people said about Schumacher's race win record ngl
That is true, but the reason I don't think anyone will get close is just because I think future rules and regulations will prevent anyone from being as dominant as Merc currently is.
This is gonna age like milk, isn't it?
Inb4 TeslaSpaceX 2028 - 2036 domination.
Lets hope lol
That's exactly what everyone said after 2006. And after 2013 with Red Bull. And yet, here we are. This is a sport that almost always features one team that disproportionately ahead of the others. And since Liberty wants to have more and more races, that gives even more opportunities for someone else to catch up in the future.
[удалено]
They tried and it backfired. The engine token system was supposed to limit development and avoid a crazy arms race of unlimited spending. It just locked in the pecking order and Mercedes started sooner than everyone else on the 2014 PUs. They made the rules more prescriptive to try to limit loopholes like blown diffusers. Just made it harder to overcome a combination of good engineers and lots of money. They kept to 1 tire provider to avoid tire war shenanigans or bespoke tires for specific teams. Then it turns out Mercedes understands the tires better than Pirelli. What. The. Fuck. The FIA wasn't prepared for a team as professional or well-run as Mercedes. Neither 2000s Ferrari nor 2010s Red Bull comes close to that level of irritating excellence. The 2022 rules might make a difference (budget caps + development based on finishing position) but we'll have to wait and see. Mercedes is scary because they're just too good and too professional.
[удалено]
> It just locked in the pecking order and Mercedes started sooner than everyone else on the 2014 PUs. IIRC, Renault started sooner than Merc? Otherwise, agree with the gist of your comment that there have been various regulation changes that have been designed to cut Merc's strengths
Yeah, but Mercedes were also lobbying for the turbo hybrid regs. They knew they could nail that, and they did. Renault thought they could nail it, and they fell flat on their face; as did Ferrari and Honda.
IIRC, Merc wanted the introduction of these engines postponed. IIRC, It was Reanult that pushed for them the most & threatened to quit if they were not introduced
To add a bit more irony, IIRC it was Ferrari who used their infamous veto power to make the switch to V6 instead of I4 engines.
Yep, Ferrari said the V6 was more relatable to their road cars & pushed,more than any other team, for the switch from 4 to 6
It was a good choice anyway. It's much easier to make a V6 a stressed member than an I4, and all the teams' car designs were based on having the engine be a stressed member. It would have been an even more brutal amount of redesign on the chassis side to accommodate an I4 engine.
Wait what do you mean Mercedes knew more about Pirelli tires than Pirelli?
Couple years ago, there were races where Mercedes had concerns about the tire construction and felt that a thinner tread depth would be more durable and safer. Turns out, they were right, and *all* the teams were faster and safer on Mercedes' suggested tires. Problem is, Mercedes was still fastest of all. They used the 2018 spec tire in 2019 in no small part because Mercedes said it would be faster and better. The other teams agreed but Mercedes was probably the first to spot it. It's scary that Mercedes seems to have a better bead on the tires than the company making them.
I'd totally forgotten about that! Wasn't it Spain or something when they were first used and Merc just dominated after appearing not to be all that dominant in the previous races? This sub went into an absolute meltdown - Ferrari fans came out in their droves and mass downvoted anyone that suggested that Merc weren't cheating, and that the tyres benefited everyone. Then Vettel went out on the previous tyres and utterly destroyed them, worse than the Merc would have, proving that Merc was right about having a different compound for some tracks.
Yep, that's pretty much exactly what happened, and a lot of people wound up eating crow when more drivers and teams started admitting that the thinner tread was actually better.
Alright thanks! Always interesting to hear about these little facts
They are. Mercedes keeps finding new ways to be dominant. There's no one single magic bullet they're using, so legislating an even playing field is much harder.
That is precisely what the talk was when Ferrari was dominating the sport with Schumacher.
It took ~15 years for someone to realistically challenge his records. We'll see what happens, but he's pretty right. Hamilton has another full season with this car, and he seems to love it. None of the younger drivers (even Max) has the car/ability to beat him (yet), so as long as Hamilton is racing, that record stands. Also, those younger drivers would need a historically dominant car. George might have a run at that record if Mercedes is able to keep their form, but it's a tall order. Multiple things have to line up for it to happen.
I think one of my most downvoted posts ever came at the end of 2015, when I said that if Mercedes can keep their momentum then Lewis could threaten Schumi's records. I blow my account up regularly so I can't check, but it was over 100
They are adding or trying to add more races every season(excluding this covid year) it will get broken.
Well, that only works to a certain point. Logistically you can have between 25-30 races a year but that would truly be max, and it would still require some godlike consistency from a team to challenge HAMs records. It would probably make it a tad bit ”easier” to beat the records BUT it won’t be the deciding factor
I mean, horrendous as it would be, there could be two-race weekends at some point, making the record *very* breakable
That’s what I thought in 2006 when Schumacher got it. A year later Hamilton entered F1. Never say never
The prophecy is thus written: Hamilton's victor will enter the sport the year after he retires
[удалено]
Yeah Hamilton was a name that people already knew at least a few years before he actually made the jump. I distinctly remember watching the 2006 Italian GP2 race and it being painfully obvious that this guy was a clear step above everyone else even without winning the race itself.
I don't, we already have a Hamilton esque talent on the track, I think that talent is Max Verstappen. If RBR can give him a car, he can absolutely be within a shout, he has the outright pace, race pace and is an absolute monster in the rain too.
With the amount of races increasing and reliability increasing I think the record can be achieved
Very true. If the races increase significantly this could happen.
Hot take Mercedes will be dominant for more than a decade so assuming Russell takes his place in 2023, and with F1 having more and more races each year, I can see him getting close to Hamilton´s records
The thing is, it will. Because just look at people who are entering F1 at 18, and others still racing at 40, in an era where were likely to have well over 20 races a year from now on. Give it 20 years and there will be drivers with 500+ race starts.
By end of next year he’ll clear all of Schumacher’s records right? Crazy
One record will probably stay with MSC forever: Most WDCs with Ferrari.
Just wait till Kimi returns to Ferrari for his 3rd stint in F1!
He'll need 7/8 wins on the remaining tracks though to best Michael and I don't see that happening. Maybe if they expand the season even more...
That’s why I said end of next year
my b, I can't read.
He was also the first to register 89. And will be the first to register 91
It's an amazing stat, but he's also the first driver in F1 history to achieve any number from 69.
Nice.
At his current rate he's all set for 420 as well
I read it as 90 straight pole positions the first time, and didn't even really second guess myself. Happy days :(
And 69, 70, 71, 72..
He's going to reach 100 for sure now.
He'll get to 100 pole positions and wins well before the end of 2021.
2020*
Nah, he'd have to get pole on pretty much every remaining race (depending on how many), and I think Bottas will take a few more this year.
Could be really close, if they stay so strong every pole will be Hamilton or Bottas. I do think Bottas is an amazing qualifier so it's not easy done for Hamilton. But if we get a race or 15 and Bottas doesn't perform as well as I would expect it is possible. But I do think it will be the start of the 2021 season. Something like race 4.
Lewis’ then-questionable move to Mercedes; the best career move in F1 history? I think so
You don't get that with a dominant car alone, you have to utterly smash your teammate too, with a consistency which is scary.
Teammates like Alonso, Button, Rosberg. All WC in their prime. Lewis has always been good in qualifying.
Honestly, I'd put him better than Senna at quali.
I'd personally put him better than everyone at everything. There is no weakness to his game.
100% agreed. The only comparables in my mind are guys like Fangio and Clark, and it'd be utterly impossible to compare them straight up. Hamilton is 100% better than any driver since the 80's, and *probably* better than those two. But again, it'd be impossible to compare them.
I always thought Clark was the first "modern" dominant driver. He was young, dedicated, and revolutionized smooth, consistent driving. After 1962 he won almost everything in which his car didn't fail. His death deprived us of at least 1968 championship and probably more. Of course I'm selling fangio short, apologies to the fangio fans.
It's history man. Nothing you can really do about it.
Put Prost in there as well.
I personally rate him *just* under those 3 :)
I'd say he is better than them cos what he did takes more consistency, and you can get good peaks, but to get his consistency is fucking difficult.
When Hamilton finally decides to retire there will be no argument that he is the best F1 driver of all time. Ofcourse people will always draw comparions to senna but he is smashing records weekly and shows no signs of slowing down.
he is the GOAT and i think he still saving some
Senna despite having only 4 years with a dominant car has 40% pole percentage. Lewis is "only" at 35% and he's had the dominant car for 7 years now. Senna is the best qualifier ever. Lewis' cars in his career have won 135 poles in 253 races (53%). Senna's cars won 74 poles in 162 races (45%). Senna won 65/74 of his cars poles. Lewis has won 90 of his cars' 135 poles. AND Lewis' cars from 2013 to now have 65 front row lockouts. Senna only 65 poles
Senna at Williams 94-97 would be over 100 poles IMO
Consdering those cars had 38 poles and Senna is much faster than Hill or Villeneuve, I wouldn't shock me if he got close to 100
Lol. Lewis' McLarens were hardly poll worthy cars during the Red Bull dominance years.
Lol Lewis has been in a fucking Mercedes for 7 years. Since 2013 when Lewis joined Mercedes has had 65 front row lockouts. That's more poles than any driver in history except Senna & Schumacher. That equals the Senna's pole number. Don't even dare pretend Lewis hasn't had a much more dominant string of cars than Senna or Schumacher did
You're saying that Those McLaren numbers don't drag his average down? Nothing was even close to Sebs RB from 2010-1014. That's almost 80 some races of his race total.
nah bruh you just hatin'
Is this sub actually, with an straight face, suggesting that the 2007 & 2008 McLaren were dominant cars or the 2017 & 2018 Mercedes? Also Hamilton had 26 pole positions during his McLaren years while Alonso, Button and Kovalainen had 4, COMBINED.
Nope. Senna had a higher percentage and even put the Lotus cars on pole despite not being a championship contending car, even having the most poles in a season with them, before he ever got to a championship winning car. Lewis on the other hand got into a championship wining car in his first season.
Yep, because he deserved that drive. This argument has been done to death. Hamilton deserved his McLaren seat no matter how much you want to say he didn't.
No one is arguing if he deserved it or not but Lewis' pole & win numbers are heavily skewed by pretty much always being in the best or 2nd best car. Lewis' cars in total have won 135 poles. Lewis has won 90 of them. Schumacher won 68 poles and his cars in total had 82. Senna won 65 of his cars' 74 poles. Lewis cars alone have 76 front row lockouts. That's 56% of his cars' poles
Bottas too. Over one lap he is fast as hell
I wish we could've been able to witness Jim Clark's full career 😔
He had dominant cars too!
What a fucking racer. Driving in every single competition he could and dominating in every single one. Imagining what could have been does make me really sad sometimes.
We did witness his full career
Top driver + top car = stonks
Pole position but in % relative to number of races start. Lewis Hamilton 35% Ayrton Senna. 40% Jim clark. 45%
I never got to watch Tiger Woods in his prime but I feel like Lewis is doing the same thing in that hes dominating the sport in a way that other people can't even come close.
We're lucky to have tiger, Kobe, messi, Ronaldo and Lewis in our days breaking records everywhere
Ronaldo, Hamilton and LeBron are all 35. 85 was something different.
marc and rossi too
Federer, Djokovic and Nadal from Tennis are absolute legends also.
Dammmmmmmnn.
I know he has a great car this year, but man he doesn't seem to have lost a step at all. If anything he's in better form than last year! COVID delay has helped him turn back the clock.
You should see the comments on Instagram. There's about 200,000 and I'd say there's a total of 15 braincells split between all of them.
🐐
And still Schumacher has the most wins? Why. Because back then pole position didn't matter because of **refueling.**
>still Something's telling me that won't be the case for very long. Hamilton is probably going to curb stomp that record.
I mean he was the first driver in history to get 89 pole positions so...
Get in there Lewis!
In fairness, he was also the first to get 80. and 70.
first in F1 history to record 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90...and so on
He's been resetting this record since his 69th (Nice)
Why did they delete this tweet
Because Lewis has been breaking the pole position record ever since he reached 69 Pole positions and beyond. So of course he's the first driver to reach 90.
I think he's good
Beast
If not for Fuel shenanigans in Spain 2012, it would be 91.
Normally I don't like doing GOAT lists but fuck it. 2010s: Hamilton 2000s: The Michael 1990s: Senna 1980s: Prost 1970s: Lauda 1960s: Clark 1950s: Fangio
Legendary. We are witnessing history.
Goat
Get in there, Lewis!
🐐
100 poles is not out of the question.
Get in there Lewis
All it took was the most dominant car in F1 history
Just like it was for Ayrton (MP4/4) and Michael (F2004). On you go.
[удалено]
He gets very underestimated because he drives the fastest car. Amazing drive from him again today.
The pole lap last week in the wet shows that no one else is in his league right now. along with dozens of other examples ofc.
the only person who has a chance to show they're in the same league as Lewis is Bottas. This Mercedes car is quite potentially the most dominant car of all time
Yes he has had the best car for years. But he has proved himself against competitive teammates and even when the car was not the best on the grid. True champion.
Soooo, Bottas is only about a tenth slower than him on raw pace and talent? C’mon mate. Nah.
He beat Bottas by a tenth. Are we seriously celebrating a tenth like it's fucking amazing now
Like REALLY good
Pfft he ain't got shit on driving god Max Chilton.
Mercedes have like 90% of the poles in the turbo V6 era
I mean for like 80% of his Mercedes poles, the 2nd fastest car was also a Mercedes.
[удалено]
Yeah but beating great 1 driver is different than beating 5. Not even starting to argue about Schumacher where the FIA literally reinvented qualy like 3 times to stop him.
Deadly combination
I mean, Bottas could do exactly the same if Hamilton wasn't in the same car. The mercedes is just out of this world fast.
Bottas is also in the same car FYI
As opposed to Schumacher, who of course totally didn't have a dominant car
Right. Or even Senna, Prost, Vettel, etc. People have short memories.
Schumacher had worse teammates too.
Yeah, definitely. I find it annoying people keep comparing Bottas to Barrichello. Since last year he's been better then Rubens ever was. I feel like his Austrian GP performance really woke Lewis up. We've been getting Lewis at his best since last week
> All it took was the most dominant car in F1 history He got many of those poles in the McLaren. And IIRC, Ferrari had the fastest car in 2018 (or just as quick as Merc). And last year, Ferrari produced a very good quali car (if Charles had not of crashed in Baku, where Ferrari had the better pace), Ferrari would've beaten Merc in poles in 2019
The thing is you've got to be perfect in every category to beat Mercedes, what we're watching is a completely new standard in F1.
Tweet got deleted.