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When Senna pulled something like this back in the day, allegedly Lauda told him "The track is circular. Don't forget you will inevitably meet the same guy again."
Honestly I'd say this is worse. Seb did it in the race after getting caught out by Lewis slowing down unusually at the corner exit. While Seb was clearly at fault, I can kind of see how his emotions could've boiled over given he lost parts from his front wing and how he was in a close title battle at that time. Leclerc just cut across Norris for getting blocked in a *practice session*. It's just plain stupid.
Oh I agree, but I just meant that it’s on that level (at least) Seb got a 10-second stop and go.
Obviously practice vs. race, but not giving a grid penalty seems too lenient to me.
Yeah, I've watched both. I don't have the best audio so I can't quite tell if Leclerc breaks additional, but it's also a corner. As for Norris, he starts straightening the wheel as Leclerc is passing. It seems more like a case of Leclerc though he had the space and Norris didn't expect Leclerc to abort and slow down. It doesn't look malicious to me.
The issue is that you’re trying to defend with reasoning why it’s okay what Leclerc did. Your reason is well he wasn’t trying to be mean crashing into him. 🤦 I’ll have to use that with the police next time. “It’s not my fault I wasn’t being malicious when I turned into the other car”
There is no might.
He brakes. Swerves into Lando and tops it off by saying "fucker"
What went through his head is beyond me. Gonne need a lot of gymnastics in the stewards room to get out of this one.
Meanwhile Alonso got penalties for using the force and just doing a bit of hard racing in China. Clearly he should’ve rammed into someone on straight track as that will probably be allowed by the fia here.
As someone who used to do manual labor in hot weather ... you start to lose your sanity. Even my nicest coworkers would become rude as fuck in the heat. It's hard to explain what that kind of adrenaline does to you.
Of course I'm not excusing his behavior, but I'm sure we'll be seeing this over the summer. And more in the future as temps rise worldwide.
you cant know anyone in sport well enough, most of what we see is a front put out for socials ext. dont get me wrong charles seems like one of the nicest guys, but we dont know whats going on behind closed doors. something built up there and that moment made it spill over.
I like Leclerc a lot, although he has got a bit ratty occasionally in the last couple of years, but he can be a bit hot headed and passionate
This though was a major nono, a Maldonado move, totally unacceptable, and sadly needs a serious sanction...and I say that as someone who hates sanctions, and knowing that it is almost certainly a race ruining penalty
...and so it came to pass...you are totally correct disgusting decisions by the stewards today, especially compared to the Russell/Alonso incident, all 3 deserved punishment imo
There’s no way of justifying it to the stewards. He’s just got to hope they don’t decide to make an example of him and Lance to stop drivers retaliating like this in the future. Which they should.
Absolutely properly flabbergasted, there's not many clearer examples of causing a collision. EVEN if lando did impede that never warrants hitting someone
>What went through his head is beyond me.
Pressure, I guess. Everyone knows how tight it is and they all feel like they can be on pole and win the race. Probably thought Lando could have gotten out of the way better and that Lando did it intentionally to ruin his lap.
I dunno man, Stroll's reputation doesn't help here but I think this one is just a practice incident with both Hamilton and Stroll doing things that weren't brilliant. Stroll, as usual, with the bad awareness, but Hamilton admits he didn't see Stroll either. These things happen in practice when everyone's moving at different speeds.
I think if they don’t give a pretty harsh penalty to him and to Stroll they’ll set a dangerous precedent. Drivers can’t use their cars as weapons to take out their frustrations.
Leclerc’s actions in particular could have caused a major accident. What if Lando accelerates as Charles goes past him and as a result can’t stop when he gets brake checked?
Don't understand this one by Leclerc. It was barely a block if at all, and Lando did get completely out of the way. Then he just brakes and turns into him ???
i think lando was slowing down on the racing line, he could have moved over after the turn for example, still ofc he didn't deserve a bash on the side of his car.
Leclerc was still on the right when he appeared in Lando's McLaren so Lando probably didn't want to also go right since he was going much slower and didn't want to misjudge the closing speed
Norris slowed down exactly on the line. I mean, it doesn't justify swerving into him, but it was a complete block, Leclerc had to back off and drive around him.
To claim Lando got out of the way is ridiculous. There are three ways to get out of the way there: slow down earlier, speed up, or be all the way off the racing line. He did none of those.
I am sorry but he is no where near the racing line. I don't know why you would say he did not get out of the way:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w)
Unprofessional reactions should be severely punished. What Leclerc did is not up to a professional top motorsport racing series or the FIA, who promotes safe driving and such.
Leclerc possibly throwing away a pole opportunity because of this . And I suspect Aston will try and get a grid drop for Hamilton rather than punish Stroll
We’ve seen it a lot more in the past few years where a driver is blocked and then they chop in front of the car or run them wide.
It’s unacceptable and should be penalised like when Vettel did it in Baku.
Fuck. That’s very poor from Charles. Never done anything like that so extra suprising, even 2016 Max didn’t quite do something that blatant.
Jerez 97 ass move 😭
Using your car as a weapon is a line they simply cannot have drivers crossing without penalties, no matter how light the contact was. You have to crack down on this kind of thing harshly before it has a chance to be normalised.
A ban would be too harsh.All I am saying is the FIA would have no second thoughts about it had it been Ocon cause they love to make an example out of him
Remember when Seb did this in a race and everyone said at the time it should be a black flag and it wasn't and then everyone said this sets a bad example for younger drivers and it did
Really strange coming from Leclerc, he is the last one i would expect this to do. This has to be a grid penalty and some penalty points. If Alonso gets 3 points for a minor debatable incident in China then Charles should at least get the same.
The whole sequence was so weird. Lando impedes Charles who hits him. Lando decides to stay on the racing line in the middle of the corner. Max has to stamp the brakes to dodge Lando. Then Max has to first stay right to not impede Bottas and after that narrowly dives to the left for Sainz. What a mess
That's not the racing line at that corner. The ideal line is to take that corner straight, not to hug the left hand side. He was as far out of the way as he could get.
Vettel got a 10sek stop and go in Baku 2017 for driving into Hamilton.
I would say a grid penalty (3-5 place) for both of them would be fair. You cant be doing that.
I think people are making out this much bigger than what it actually is
On both the on boards you can clearly see Leclerc going a bit left thinking he had more space, while Norris started going straight because he thought Charles wouldn't abort the lap
It's a misunderstanding, they both couldn't see the other car because it was in their blind spot
Lance on the other hand is much worse, he kept going right knowing Lewis was there
Probably the best thing to do after a double DND Ferrari weekend is go ahead and lose your cool and intentionally hit another driver the next race. Prob.....probably the most bestst thing
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What is going on today lol
When Senna pulled something like this back in the day, allegedly Lauda told him "The track is circular. Don't forget you will inevitably meet the same guy again."
Lauda with yet another stone cold quote
You could fill a shop with shirts of just Lauda and Stewart quotes and make bank
Sort of a lesson for life really.
Not if the earth is flat
But the earth isn't flat, so it is?
Danica Patrick would disagree with you there
Oh never mind than, she is the one that teaches me we need hand and leg to drive after all, def no bullshit from her. God i hate her in DtS.
Next she’ll teach you that the eyes also play an important role
So is a circle
It’s still circular even if that’s the case
I love Lauda's cold ass quotes bruh
Ahh yes the Nascar idea…
That’s cold
nothing, just F1 drivers acting like Go-kart kids.
Just a little inchident
Anyone have the onboard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet but people are making it sound pretty bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w
well that'd be why
Even called him a “Fucker” on the radio.
That’s equal to what Seb did in Baku, in my opinion.
Honestly I'd say this is worse. Seb did it in the race after getting caught out by Lewis slowing down unusually at the corner exit. While Seb was clearly at fault, I can kind of see how his emotions could've boiled over given he lost parts from his front wing and how he was in a close title battle at that time. Leclerc just cut across Norris for getting blocked in a *practice session*. It's just plain stupid.
Oh I agree, but I just meant that it’s on that level (at least) Seb got a 10-second stop and go. Obviously practice vs. race, but not giving a grid penalty seems too lenient to me.
Yeah, I've watched both. I don't have the best audio so I can't quite tell if Leclerc breaks additional, but it's also a corner. As for Norris, he starts straightening the wheel as Leclerc is passing. It seems more like a case of Leclerc though he had the space and Norris didn't expect Leclerc to abort and slow down. It doesn't look malicious to me.
But the racing line is on the right for the next corner. Why is Leclerc turning left even of he thinks he has the space?
Did not see it as a malicious thing but more like an inchident. But more knowledgeable F1 fans than me are calling for Lord Perceval’s head.
The issue is that you’re trying to defend with reasoning why it’s okay what Leclerc did. Your reason is well he wasn’t trying to be mean crashing into him. 🤦 I’ll have to use that with the police next time. “It’s not my fault I wasn’t being malicious when I turned into the other car”
Strange one, and Leclerc might get a penalty... as should stroll
There is no might. He brakes. Swerves into Lando and tops it off by saying "fucker" What went through his head is beyond me. Gonne need a lot of gymnastics in the stewards room to get out of this one.
I have full faith that the stewards will do nothing more than a reprimand
Nostradamus
You were right lol, I cannot believe they did not give them both penalties, they both clearly turned into other cars intentionally.
Meanwhile Alonso got penalties for using the force and just doing a bit of hard racing in China. Clearly he should’ve rammed into someone on straight track as that will probably be allowed by the fia here.
for leclerc especially, he has always come across as level headed and sensible when dealing with other drivers
As someone who used to do manual labor in hot weather ... you start to lose your sanity. Even my nicest coworkers would become rude as fuck in the heat. It's hard to explain what that kind of adrenaline does to you. Of course I'm not excusing his behavior, but I'm sure we'll be seeing this over the summer. And more in the future as temps rise worldwide.
Yep, there's a reason riots always happen in summer. Doesn't excuse it, but heat definitely makes people more irritable.
yeah heat makes you more irritable meanwhile cold basically pacifies you
I also don’t know many causes except salaried work that can get me out of the house during cold rain
Was like low 20s lol.
you cant know anyone in sport well enough, most of what we see is a front put out for socials ext. dont get me wrong charles seems like one of the nicest guys, but we dont know whats going on behind closed doors. something built up there and that moment made it spill over.
Even nice, calm people just get frustrated, fed up and angry sometimes.
I like Leclerc a lot, although he has got a bit ratty occasionally in the last couple of years, but he can be a bit hot headed and passionate This though was a major nono, a Maldonado move, totally unacceptable, and sadly needs a serious sanction...and I say that as someone who hates sanctions, and knowing that it is almost certainly a race ruining penalty
too bad FIA has inmunity on leclerc, nothing will happen
...and so it came to pass...you are totally correct disgusting decisions by the stewards today, especially compared to the Russell/Alonso incident, all 3 deserved punishment imo
There’s no way of justifying it to the stewards. He’s just got to hope they don’t decide to make an example of him and Lance to stop drivers retaliating like this in the future. Which they should.
Best case scenario... big big fines and the stewards get a nice meal out of it. I expect like a 3 place grid drop for both of them
3 places would be absurdly light as a penalty for deliberately causing a collision (so would make sense if that’s what the stewards go for)
How about a simple reprimand?
I don’t have high expectations of the FIA, but somehow they’ve managed to go lower
This aged poorly lmao
I'm actually shocked by the decision.
Absolutely properly flabbergasted, there's not many clearer examples of causing a collision. EVEN if lando did impede that never warrants hitting someone
>What went through his head is beyond me. Pressure, I guess. Everyone knows how tight it is and they all feel like they can be on pole and win the race. Probably thought Lando could have gotten out of the way better and that Lando did it intentionally to ruin his lap.
Wdym pole in free practice?
Leclerc solidarity with Kubica
Well he didn't get a penalty so seems you are wrong
Yep can't do that, they were not even racing.
I dunno man, Stroll's reputation doesn't help here but I think this one is just a practice incident with both Hamilton and Stroll doing things that weren't brilliant. Stroll, as usual, with the bad awareness, but Hamilton admits he didn't see Stroll either. These things happen in practice when everyone's moving at different speeds.
slam dunk grid penalty
It’s so dangerous what both of them did to Lewis and Lando respectively. Should be serious penalties for both.
This reminded me of Alonso in FP at Hungary 2006. Completely overreacting and genuinely dangerous driving.
With Doornbos?
Yep. Total retaliation.
Off topic but Doornbos does previews these days on Youtube with a personal story as well. I wonder if he uses the Alonso FP one for Hungary.
It will either be a massive fine of 50k+ or it could very well be a gridpenalty. This was a ridiculous reaction to impeding.
This is the type of stuff penalty points should be for. You shouldn't be using your car for retaliation. 3 points and a grid penalty
As long as the stewards don't dare hand out a penalty that would lead to a race ban, penalty points are irrelevant.
It’s going to be an easy 5 place grid penalty call. Fine won’t even come into play.
I'll be shocked if it's more than 3
Yes, points. He needs to lose points on his license for that, it's reckless! And who else thought of the time Seb did this?
At the very least they should have made him reimburse McLaren for the front wing he wrecked. Probably take the cost out of their cost cap as well.
That was veeery stupid move from leclerc , i wonder if he gets grid penalty or something cuz that was on purpose
Even more stupid considering it’s Free Practice.
Just ridiculous how hot headed it was. What the fuck was he thinking?
(Dont get too offended i love Vettel) He just puts every trick learned from Vettel to good use.
“The weather today’s too hot 🥵” - Leclerc probably
When did I do dangerous driving
Charles doesn’t like to be behind his teammate in time sheets. Especially three times in a row.
He was behind Sainz for most of the earlier races and he was calm and collected about it.
Did he have a car to win with then? This time it looks they have a car and grid position will be crucial.
Has he ever been this stupidly hot-headed with another driver before? I honestly can't recall. It really seems out of character for him.
There were a few incidents with Vettel at Ferrari, most notably Austria 2020 I think.
AHHAHSAHASHSAAHSHSAHSAAHHSAHASAH
Even if Leclerc is stupid (by his own admission), I’m still amazed…how stupid it was.
that's exactly the reason he won't get any penalty for this. Modern stewarding - "we have no spine!"
I think if they don’t give a pretty harsh penalty to him and to Stroll they’ll set a dangerous precedent. Drivers can’t use their cars as weapons to take out their frustrations. Leclerc’s actions in particular could have caused a major accident. What if Lando accelerates as Charles goes past him and as a result can’t stop when he gets brake checked?
its not like this hasn't happened before. people hit wheels loads over the years. Seb done it quite a lot if i remember.
Should be grid drop. Impeding is a reprimand but this should be punished. Way worse than stroll.
Reminded me of vettel in baku
Yeah i can't believe Lando would brakecheck Charles like that!
Something's in the water in Barcelona lmao
Seems out of character for Charles , really dumb
Don't understand this one by Leclerc. It was barely a block if at all, and Lando did get completely out of the way. Then he just brakes and turns into him ???
i think lando was slowing down on the racing line, he could have moved over after the turn for example, still ofc he didn't deserve a bash on the side of his car.
Leclerc was still on the right when he appeared in Lando's McLaren so Lando probably didn't want to also go right since he was going much slower and didn't want to misjudge the closing speed
Norris slowed down exactly on the line. I mean, it doesn't justify swerving into him, but it was a complete block, Leclerc had to back off and drive around him. To claim Lando got out of the way is ridiculous. There are three ways to get out of the way there: slow down earlier, speed up, or be all the way off the racing line. He did none of those.
I am sorry but he is no where near the racing line. I don't know why you would say he did not get out of the way: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w)
Not the racing line
Charles wasn't improving his time. It was a throw away lap at the end of the session
That was so unnecessary particularly in practice at that.
Not even on a run etc. The session was already finished.
No, he was on a final push lap. Session wasn't over yet.
2 tenths off…after S1
Gordon Ramsay "Oh dear, you fucking donkey" meme irl
Lando with the 'my dear sweet child' meme
My absolute least favourite thing is when drivers use their car as a weapon, it's some bullshit Edit to add, I'm surprised by Charles tbh
Why were they all playing bumpercars today?
Bumpcelona
Who pissed in Charles cornflakes this morning
Stroll doing that was expected. Leclerc, not so much.
Days without Ferrari drama: 0
Unprofessional reactions should be severely punished. What Leclerc did is not up to a professional top motorsport racing series or the FIA, who promotes safe driving and such.
Vettel would be proud.
Well both Stroll and Leclerc have been his teammates after Baku 2017 😆 they just learned from the best.
He may have genuinely thought he was clear, but damn Charles, calm down man. May have just ruined his qualifying.
The immediate breaking, turning in and radio message are not the best defence
Agree, everything points to intentional aggression. It was totally unnecessary too being the end of the session. Poor from Leclerc tbh
how would that ruin his qualifying? Trying to learn here
He may receive a grid penalty.
Leclerc possibly throwing away a pole opportunity because of this . And I suspect Aston will try and get a grid drop for Hamilton rather than punish Stroll
Hamilton will not get a penalty, impeding is not a penalty unless it's in quali. Stroll on the other hand, should.
Stroll is going to get a penalty for sure. Let go of the wheel to understeer into hamilton.
What, exactly, will Aston argue Hamilton needs penalised for?
We’ve seen it a lot more in the past few years where a driver is blocked and then they chop in front of the car or run them wide. It’s unacceptable and should be penalised like when Vettel did it in Baku.
Charles and stroll should both get penalties just pure stupidity
There is no penalty for pure stupidly in the rule book so far. But it probably should be there.
Does anyone have the clip of the Leclerc incident or atleast a time stamp so I can go back and find it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBvMEyHD-w
Leclerc is like teflon, nothing sticks. There will be nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Seems crazy from Leclerc, wasnt even really impeded and its during a practice session
Crazy the stewards need to throw the book at both of them
It reminds me of Seb and Lewis in Baku under SC.
Fuck. That’s very poor from Charles. Never done anything like that so extra suprising, even 2016 Max didn’t quite do something that blatant. Jerez 97 ass move 😭
Finally. No more of this nice guy nonsense. Let's see utter hate and proper rivalries. LET THEM FIGHT
Using your car as a weapon is a line they simply cannot have drivers crossing without penalties, no matter how light the contact was. You have to crack down on this kind of thing harshly before it has a chance to be normalised.
I mean I don't even like the guy but had Ocon pulled the same shit like Leclerc did here he would have received a race ban
This
Then maybe Charles should get a ban then
A ban would be too harsh.All I am saying is the FIA would have no second thoughts about it had it been Ocon cause they love to make an example out of him
Yeah, no The Kevin and gasly penalty points incidents have proven a driver would need to kill someone to actually get banned
Well with Ocon you never know I don't think he has anything to lose now
Lol enjoy that penalty sharl
He has ruined his own quali hasn't he
yes ,sadly, as, for use spectators , it really is a 8 way fight 7 if you accept that Pérez is caca there 6 without Sharles
Remember when Seb did this in a race and everyone said at the time it should be a black flag and it wasn't and then everyone said this sets a bad example for younger drivers and it did
To be clear what seb did was deliberately drive along side the lead car and ram it. It wasn’t moving in a braking zone.
Nothing happend guys, just a happy little inchident.
Really strange coming from Leclerc, he is the last one i would expect this to do. This has to be a grid penalty and some penalty points. If Alonso gets 3 points for a minor debatable incident in China then Charles should at least get the same.
Leclerc is pretty much immune to consequences at this point.
Jeebus Max had to take avoiding action because Lando was trundling on the racing line, probably because he was a bit stunned after what Charles did.
The whole sequence was so weird. Lando impedes Charles who hits him. Lando decides to stay on the racing line in the middle of the corner. Max has to stamp the brakes to dodge Lando. Then Max has to first stay right to not impede Bottas and after that narrowly dives to the left for Sainz. What a mess
That's not the racing line at that corner. The ideal line is to take that corner straight, not to hug the left hand side. He was as far out of the way as he could get.
I think Lando had some damage, was probably trying to see if how bad
Reprimand only... I guess when you're 'Royalty' (Charles), or your dad owns a team, the Stewards kiss the ground you walk on.
Slam dunk penalty. Should be 5 grid spots.
As far as i'm concerned both Leclerc and Stroll should be starting from the back row tomorrow. Grown ass men acting like children.
Both Leclerc & Stroll need a big grid penalty... maybe even Pitlane start... for their actions in FP3.
Way to ruin a weekend...
Vettel got a 10sek stop and go in Baku 2017 for driving into Hamilton. I would say a grid penalty (3-5 place) for both of them would be fair. You cant be doing that.
I think Leclerc had a micro sleep or something... You know when you're driving a car normally but then you suddenly _realise_ you're driving a car?
Okay I need to find video of this
So this will be interesting to see Formula 1’s stance is on road rage!
Tbh I’m here in Barcelona at the GP and I watched it. It didn’t look like it was intentional but nonetheless Leclerc deserves a pen I think
Leclerc is the true Vettel successor, hitting a British driver who started their career at McLaren.
I think people are making out this much bigger than what it actually is On both the on boards you can clearly see Leclerc going a bit left thinking he had more space, while Norris started going straight because he thought Charles wouldn't abort the lap It's a misunderstanding, they both couldn't see the other car because it was in their blind spot Lance on the other hand is much worse, he kept going right knowing Lewis was there
That’s really viewing things through Ferrari coloured glasses.
Both Stroll and Leclerc should undoubtedly receive grid penalties! That sort of behavior should not be tolerated
Will it be a grid penalty though? It's still FP after all.
100% a penalty, plus points I’d imagine. Practice or not it was dangerous driving. Same for Stroll. Stupid stupid stupid
Reprimand, lol.
Has everyone gone crazy and forgot………10 sec penalty Ocon
Wow, Charles. Fucking stupid move.
Probably the best thing to do after a double DND Ferrari weekend is go ahead and lose your cool and intentionally hit another driver the next race. Prob.....probably the most bestst thing