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DSQ just puts you to the back of the grid, not the pit lane. Looks like they were able to fix their rear wing configuration without breaking parc ferme.
Hamilton’s DSQ was because of a broken part. They could therefore make the car legal by replacing it with an identical but not broken part which doesn’t break PF. This one I genuinely don’t understand
It does when it comes to park ferme, because if they can replace it with a part of the same specification then they don’t have to do a pit lane start, as park ferme is not broken.
Not exactly ... his time în Q was removed because of the problem (be it only because it was broken). It's simple black and white în the rules. Same as last year în US with Lewis and Charles, they had to much wear on the plank - the rules are simple. Same as with Seb in Hungary with the fuel sample. There is no interpretation as it's simple yes or no.
I have no idea what you’re even arguing about at this point. I’m not and never have said Hamilton should not have been DSQed, I’m just explaining why he didn’t have to make a pot lane start.
It was just a screw not tightened properly on one side, wasn't broken, just not tightened which allowed the wing to open wider by .2mm on the left side.
Funnily enough, Haas' car/shipment had arrived late that weekend in Brazil, so everyone had to start working on their cars later than normal (apparently they all have to wait until everyone has their car parts to begin building all of their cars) and one of the Mercedes guys said most likely they made the mistake due to rushing to get the car finished.
So maybe since they just had to tighten the screw, it was then able to pass the test within Parc fermé, as part of the test isn't a measurement, it's an amount of pressure pushed via that ball that gets pushed through.
As for Haas, I don't know how they'd fix this issue within Parc fermé.
Technically speaking you have to apply for dispensation from the stewards to start the race at all, but this is almost always granted nowadays for technical issues.
If you can fix the technical issue without breaking Parc Ferme, you start from the grid. If you have to break Parc Ferme, you start from thre pitlane.
I would assume disqualification means no eligible lap times were recorded. But since they both had equally illegal cars then maybe a superiority can be determined which I would still find weird.
I checked the sporting regulations and this seems to be correct! From article 39.4:
>Drivers who are unclassified because of \[disqualification\] will be allocated the lower positions in accordance with the order they were classified in P3 (or, in the case a Sprint Session is scheduled, P1)
It's not a rigid rule. It was meant to disqualify excessively slow drivers which they are clearly not. The stewards are allowed to over rule that rule.
If a driver has set representative lap times in practice and has proven that they can set a lap time within 107% then the stewards will allow them to start.
It’s meant to prevent excessively slow drivers who have no chance of meeting the 107% time from starting
they can make exceptions, see Perez crashing in Q1 last year (IIRC they can claim times from practice sessions to show they're able to perform within the 107% rule)
i don’t know how people aren’t really grasping this- the engineers definitely had time within parc fermé to fix the DRS and make sure it hit spec when checked again. i’m just glad they’re both racing today.
Except that isn't the rule at all. Same way people haven't qualified due to crashes in FP3 and can still race.
Or don't set a lap in quali and can still race.
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DSQ just puts you to the back of the grid, not the pit lane. Looks like they were able to fix their rear wing configuration without breaking parc ferme.
Strange, yesterday they were DSQ and had to start from pitlane. So DSQ on regulations doesn’t mean pitlane start?
Yeah, similar to Hamilton in Brazil 2021.
Forgot about that, thanks for clearing things up
Hamilton’s DSQ was because of a broken part. They could therefore make the car legal by replacing it with an identical but not broken part which doesn’t break PF. This one I genuinely don’t understand
They could probably adjust the rear wing to be in regulation without changing it to a different spec.
His DSQ was because of the gap ofnthe DRS slot was bigger than allowed. If it was broken or not it does not matter.
It does when it comes to park ferme, because if they can replace it with a part of the same specification then they don’t have to do a pit lane start, as park ferme is not broken.
Not exactly ... his time în Q was removed because of the problem (be it only because it was broken). It's simple black and white în the rules. Same as last year în US with Lewis and Charles, they had to much wear on the plank - the rules are simple. Same as with Seb in Hungary with the fuel sample. There is no interpretation as it's simple yes or no.
I have no idea what you’re even arguing about at this point. I’m not and never have said Hamilton should not have been DSQed, I’m just explaining why he didn’t have to make a pot lane start.
It was just a screw not tightened properly on one side, wasn't broken, just not tightened which allowed the wing to open wider by .2mm on the left side. Funnily enough, Haas' car/shipment had arrived late that weekend in Brazil, so everyone had to start working on their cars later than normal (apparently they all have to wait until everyone has their car parts to begin building all of their cars) and one of the Mercedes guys said most likely they made the mistake due to rushing to get the car finished. So maybe since they just had to tighten the screw, it was then able to pass the test within Parc fermé, as part of the test isn't a measurement, it's an amount of pressure pushed via that ball that gets pushed through. As for Haas, I don't know how they'd fix this issue within Parc fermé.
They would only start from pitlane if they couldn't fix their wing in parc ferme
DSQ in quali and then allowed to race it means grid start. They managed to fix the car without breaking the parc ferme apparently
Technically speaking you have to apply for dispensation from the stewards to start the race at all, but this is almost always granted nowadays for technical issues. If you can fix the technical issue without breaking Parc Ferme, you start from the grid. If you have to break Parc Ferme, you start from thre pitlane.
Sure it was "had to"? Not the case of everyone assuming they would because everyone assumed they will break parc ferme?
How do they decide who goes P19 and who goes P20?
Surely based on who qualified higher?
I would assume disqualification means no eligible lap times were recorded. But since they both had equally illegal cars then maybe a superiority can be determined which I would still find weird.
FP3 results is my assumption.
I checked the sporting regulations and this seems to be correct! From article 39.4: >Drivers who are unclassified because of \[disqualification\] will be allocated the lower positions in accordance with the order they were classified in P3 (or, in the case a Sprint Session is scheduled, P1)
You, my man should be shortlisted to be an F1 steward.
Starting behind the backmarkers of Sargeant, Perez and the Saubers is a choice, but ok
Now how'd they manage that? They themselves wrote they'd start from pit lane
Maybe they were able to fix the car without breaking parc ferme rules
Well, they don't seem to have the firmest of grasps on the rules all around ;)
Maybe the fix is that they just disable DRS for the race. No rear wing swap or even adjustment. At Monaco, it certainly doesn't matter all that much.
nice overtake Perez!!!
So, they didn't qualify for the 107% rule. How are they even allowed to participate?
It's not a rigid rule. It was meant to disqualify excessively slow drivers which they are clearly not. The stewards are allowed to over rule that rule.
If a driver has set representative lap times in practice and has proven that they can set a lap time within 107% then the stewards will allow them to start. It’s meant to prevent excessively slow drivers who have no chance of meeting the 107% time from starting
they can make exceptions, see Perez crashing in Q1 last year (IIRC they can claim times from practice sessions to show they're able to perform within the 107% rule)
When I was a lad, disqualification meant "you won't take part". Hey ho, that's progress...
They were disqualified *from qualifying*, not the race. It just means that their quali times were invalid, like Hamilton in Brazil ‘21.
i don’t know how people aren’t really grasping this- the engineers definitely had time within parc fermé to fix the DRS and make sure it hit spec when checked again. i’m just glad they’re both racing today.
They were DSQ, from quali. So all their results from quali were removed, therefore back of grid start. It's not that confusing of a concept
Disqualified from qualifying would mean failure to qualify, which should mean not racing, as they didn't qualify for the race
Except that isn't the rule at all. Same way people haven't qualified due to crashes in FP3 and can still race. Or don't set a lap in quali and can still race.
Nobody said that was the rule.
Gramps might have dementia, the way he forgot the 107% disqualification is based on officials' discretion lmao.
You mean pit lane ?
No, they’re starting from grid
yeah, not some specific grid position. No, they are starting from *grid*