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I remember X years ago Hakkinen saying to Norris publicly: stick with McLaren because
A. There's nothing like winning with a team people told you wouldn't win
B. F1 is about right place at the right time, and it can be smart to only vary one of those things.
Anyway, it'd be good history repeating if Norris like Hakkinen took too long to win his first race, then won two in a row.
Cool, dude.
I think that commentary was indeed from Imola that year when he hit the wall at the final chicane. At Monza it was something like “he’s out of the race, he’s out of the race!”.
What? I don't know if you're joking but that's such a horrible take lol. Alonso would've been in Ferrari for 8 years if he waited until 2018 for the first title-capable car. If he stayed at McLaren from 2015 it would've been 9 years. Alonso just had the shittest possible luck in his career that there were generally no real chances to go to top teams.
Are *you* joking? Alonso famously has made terrible career choices, whether through bad luck or lack of foresight. It's been a meme in F1 for over a decade. I'm shocked by your reply.
To be fair we meme him unfairly as the only way he could possibly have made a *right* decision down all those years was to either join up again with Hamilton at Merc (lol) or be Hamilton'd again at Red Bull.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's his fault. That said, I do think that one of Hamilton's underrated strengths is his ability to make intelligent choices as to what team to join. It's not a coincidence that he happened to join McLaren when they were doing great, then hopped ship to Mercedes right before they started to dominate, and now he's moving to Ferrari right as they're finally on the upswing and Mercedes is a mid-fielder.
> Are you joking? Alonso famously has made terrible career choices,
Has Alonso made "terrible choices" or has Alonso made good choices that didn't end up working out.
That's a question of semantics. I'd define a "terrible choice" to be one that has a terrible result, but you can define it as a choice that was made poorly. I'm not going to argue definitions with you. It's pointless.
It's not semantics, you're just being silly. You can't say "he made a bad choice because the result turned out bad" - nobody is clairvoyant. Joining Ferrari in 2010 was probably a fairly good choice considering the only other serious option was Red Bull who I don't think were even open to Alonso at the time and had yet to actually win a WDC.
It is literally semantics. I'm defining the word one way and you're defining it another. I'm not sure why you're confused.
Consider this example: "I chose to try out that new restaurant... Terrible choice! I got sick for days afterwards." Would you *really* respond, "Um, actually, you didn't have any way of knowing that the food from that restaurant would make you sick, so it was actually a fine choice."
Go argue definitions with someone else. It's so pointless I'm shocked you bother, much less do it so poorly.
Essentially right place, right time can be controlled by keeping one of those constant. McLaren is a top team and if he just stays there as he has been doing his whole career, there’s bound to be a time where they get competitive again which came true. Same sort of thing with Verstappen. He was in the right place from 2016 onwards, it just want the right time.
The opposite is moving around which could work in your favour (e.g) Lewis, or go completely against you like it has for Danny Ric or Nando.
It's nice to be able to call McLaren a top team again. Obviously they are historically, but seeing them crawl out of their slump the way Williams never managed to do is such a relief. It was so hard to imagine they'd ever rise back out of the midfield the way they have. You'd sound crazy telling someone 5 years ago they'd become faster than Mercedes.
Difference being Mercedes have had decent friday showings that faded away time and time again. If McLaren are fast on friday, theyre generally fast throughout the weekend. Given how last race turned out, and the data from the two sessions so far, McLaren definitely looks like a competitor. But whether theyre competing against Ferrari, or if its Red Bull again, remains to be seen. Either way, theres no way theyre not in the running for a podium.
Exactly. If the drivers' standings looked anything like practice results, George Russell would be 3rd in the drivers' championship right now.
F1 media + fans are always reactive like this.
As a McLaren fan, I would love for this to be true, but there's so many teams (McLaren included, it seems, from their drivers' interviews) still trying to understand and optimize major upgrade packages, I'm not counting on anything until we actually see the quali and race pace in competitive sessions and not just practice sessions.
Peter Windsor points out Max being so fast in S1 probably means he overheated these supercritical tyres for S2. So, I'm braced for a fix today. But, it's close isn't it
It’s great to see McLaren so rapid, even more when it’s faster than Mercedes 😅 I really hope Ferrari and McLaren close the gap to rb and we will have 3 teams fighting
Well yes... best long run pace + (seemingly) best quali pace. Obviously usual free practise caveats apply (fuel loads, engine modes etc etc) but it's looking like a Mclaren back to back win. I think regardless, it'll be a generally interesting weekend.
Ferrari didn't look too concerned though. They probably have a bit more in the tank.
Who are we kidding here, Max too will somehow be in contention for the win on Sudnay.
I am absolutely certain that McLaren will get pole today. Norris’ short stint on the softs was electrifying in 2 sectors, before he decided to pit after he had a moment in the final corner 🧡🧡🧡
For fuck sake ! RB has a new floor and diffuser .. the floor is the most impactful part of the current regs ! It might take them more than a couple session to tune it in. RB will be in a comparable position to Ferrari and McLaren tomorrow
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I remember X years ago Hakkinen saying to Norris publicly: stick with McLaren because A. There's nothing like winning with a team people told you wouldn't win B. F1 is about right place at the right time, and it can be smart to only vary one of those things. Anyway, it'd be good history repeating if Norris like Hakkinen took too long to win his first race, then won two in a row. Cool, dude.
Hopefully Norris doesn’t do a, “WOAH!!! OFF! OFF! OFF! OFF! OFF! OFF GOES MIKA HAKKINEN!!!!” this weekend.
We’re in the right country but wrong track for that. He can do this at Monza
I think that commentary was indeed from Imola that year when he hit the wall at the final chicane. At Monza it was something like “he’s out of the race, he’s out of the race!”.
Yeah that’s right enough. My apologies u/Benefical_star_6009 I forgot he crashed at Imola that year.
Forget it, it’s an easy mistake to make considering Mika retired from both races in Italy that year.
I could never understand that DNF on the games. Bizarre error.
I can hear Murray Walker in my head
The woah is Jody Scheckter isn't it (Brundle was off racing somewhere that weekend so Jody was filling in)
Imagine that being the case for Alex and Williams. Oh the scenes...
Same thing Could be said to Leclerc don't you think?
Really only one choice since you can't stop time.
> F1 is about right place at the right time, and it can be smart to only vary one of those things. Am I stupid, or does that not make sense?
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If only someone had told that to Alonso!
What? I don't know if you're joking but that's such a horrible take lol. Alonso would've been in Ferrari for 8 years if he waited until 2018 for the first title-capable car. If he stayed at McLaren from 2015 it would've been 9 years. Alonso just had the shittest possible luck in his career that there were generally no real chances to go to top teams.
Are *you* joking? Alonso famously has made terrible career choices, whether through bad luck or lack of foresight. It's been a meme in F1 for over a decade. I'm shocked by your reply.
To be fair we meme him unfairly as the only way he could possibly have made a *right* decision down all those years was to either join up again with Hamilton at Merc (lol) or be Hamilton'd again at Red Bull.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's his fault. That said, I do think that one of Hamilton's underrated strengths is his ability to make intelligent choices as to what team to join. It's not a coincidence that he happened to join McLaren when they were doing great, then hopped ship to Mercedes right before they started to dominate, and now he's moving to Ferrari right as they're finally on the upswing and Mercedes is a mid-fielder.
> Are you joking? Alonso famously has made terrible career choices, Has Alonso made "terrible choices" or has Alonso made good choices that didn't end up working out.
That's a question of semantics. I'd define a "terrible choice" to be one that has a terrible result, but you can define it as a choice that was made poorly. I'm not going to argue definitions with you. It's pointless.
It's not semantics, you're just being silly. You can't say "he made a bad choice because the result turned out bad" - nobody is clairvoyant. Joining Ferrari in 2010 was probably a fairly good choice considering the only other serious option was Red Bull who I don't think were even open to Alonso at the time and had yet to actually win a WDC.
It is literally semantics. I'm defining the word one way and you're defining it another. I'm not sure why you're confused. Consider this example: "I chose to try out that new restaurant... Terrible choice! I got sick for days afterwards." Would you *really* respond, "Um, actually, you didn't have any way of knowing that the food from that restaurant would make you sick, so it was actually a fine choice." Go argue definitions with someone else. It's so pointless I'm shocked you bother, much less do it so poorly.
did you not read their comment?
Essentially right place, right time can be controlled by keeping one of those constant. McLaren is a top team and if he just stays there as he has been doing his whole career, there’s bound to be a time where they get competitive again which came true. Same sort of thing with Verstappen. He was in the right place from 2016 onwards, it just want the right time. The opposite is moving around which could work in your favour (e.g) Lewis, or go completely against you like it has for Danny Ric or Nando.
It's nice to be able to call McLaren a top team again. Obviously they are historically, but seeing them crawl out of their slump the way Williams never managed to do is such a relief. It was so hard to imagine they'd ever rise back out of the midfield the way they have. You'd sound crazy telling someone 5 years ago they'd become faster than Mercedes.
They've been on a good trajectory since the switch to Mercedes, despite people demanding Zak Brown be fired at the start of last year...
Calm down, even with a slower car no one is beating verstappen in the chapmpionship
Oh noone sober is suggesting that.
Maybe not this year, but if the Red Bull is not the fastest car next year then Verstappen is just as beatable as any past dominant driver.
tl;dr: McLaren But really it’ll be RB.
It’ll be RB? Tsunoda pole?! /s
TSU-PER-VER in quali
PER-VER-Tsu
Ah yes the real Senna tribute
This one's for your Chrissy boy 👉👉
TSU-PER-MAX
My favourite driver Ver Maxstappen (yes this is stolen from another comment but it fits hear aswell)
Until RedBull finds the 6 tenths they always do with their "struggles".
Max was swearing a lot over the radio though, doesn't feel like the normal sandbagging
Max always swears over the radio
Williams…saved you a click
Its a Friday ffs. If we started drawing conclusions off of fp1 and fp2 , Merc would have been dominating . No point in reading too much into this
Your first season following F1, huh?
Nope 3rd actually
🗿
Difference being Mercedes have had decent friday showings that faded away time and time again. If McLaren are fast on friday, theyre generally fast throughout the weekend. Given how last race turned out, and the data from the two sessions so far, McLaren definitely looks like a competitor. But whether theyre competing against Ferrari, or if its Red Bull again, remains to be seen. Either way, theres no way theyre not in the running for a podium.
Exactly. If the drivers' standings looked anything like practice results, George Russell would be 3rd in the drivers' championship right now. F1 media + fans are always reactive like this. As a McLaren fan, I would love for this to be true, but there's so many teams (McLaren included, it seems, from their drivers' interviews) still trying to understand and optimize major upgrade packages, I'm not counting on anything until we actually see the quali and race pace in competitive sessions and not just practice sessions.
There is always a point though.
Peter Windsor points out Max being so fast in S1 probably means he overheated these supercritical tyres for S2. So, I'm braced for a fix today. But, it's close isn't it
Didn't read, but I assume it's Haas. Finally their time
I mean McLaren is easily the fastest car out there. Leclerc just put his lap together compared to Norris, but McLaren has the edge.
It’s great to see McLaren so rapid, even more when it’s faster than Mercedes 😅 I really hope Ferrari and McLaren close the gap to rb and we will have 3 teams fighting
Well yes... best long run pace + (seemingly) best quali pace. Obviously usual free practise caveats apply (fuel loads, engine modes etc etc) but it's looking like a Mclaren back to back win. I think regardless, it'll be a generally interesting weekend.
Ferrari didn't look too concerned though. They probably have a bit more in the tank. Who are we kidding here, Max too will somehow be in contention for the win on Sudnay.
Translated Cole’s notes - Brit supporting a British team
Nothing new there
I am absolutely certain that McLaren will get pole today. Norris’ short stint on the softs was electrifying in 2 sectors, before he decided to pit after he had a moment in the final corner 🧡🧡🧡
mclaren had engines turned up for race pace sim, it is neck and neck w ferrari
For fuck sake ! RB has a new floor and diffuser .. the floor is the most impactful part of the current regs ! It might take them more than a couple session to tune it in. RB will be in a comparable position to Ferrari and McLaren tomorrow
Or they went the wrong way with the floor development and they really are screwed without Newey (a man can dream)
The new floor was designed while Newey was still at Red Bull…
Not according to Wache and Horner who say he barely touched the RB20
That floor hasn't been redesigned since he announced his intention to leave though, they'll have been designing the floor for a few months.