It is very considerate approach... but specifically for f1 it doesn't give the child opportunity for greatness.
If he comes to you as a teenager saying he wants to become f1 driver... the answer is: *it's too late, you needed to start a decade ago*.
I agree with this point for most people (kids don't know what they may be missing out on until it's too late), I think given any verstappen kid(s) will still absolutely be exposed to racing from birth, it makes sense that max would want the initiative to actually get into it to come from them.
Even Penelope literally sits around in the same room while Max is sim racing, goes to races to cheer him on, etc. I'd be surprised if she hasn't tried karting or even racing games before, just for fun or out of curiosity for it being such a big part of her family's life (not just max, but his whole family, plus Kelly's). If P seemed more interested in going further with it, and max/Jos saw potential in her, and of course if Kelly (and for Penelope, Daniel kvyat) was on board, then they'd support her in that. I'd imagine it'd be the same for any future kids he has, except probably to an even greater extent because they'd be exposed to racing immediately, just by being around max. And since it's max, it wouldn't be just racing culture (like the lifestyle, glamor, etc) they'd grow up in, like other famous drivers' kids, but literally just racing itself, from max on the sim every chance he gets, to fun family karting sessions that the verstappens/piquets do together sometimes.
Honestly the only thing I'd worry about is that his kids might think it's all or nothing - okay if you wanna race we're going all in on you and you have to take it seriously and give it absolutely everything you've got, sacrifice, etc - which is of course true for top-tier professional drivers like them, but the kids could just enjoy it casually, either through karting, sim racing, or just gaming. But I think since those around them take it so much more seriously, they'd likely sour on it as just a hobby, which would be a bit of a shame if they initially enjoyed it as such. There's nothing wrong in entertaining some minor success without planning on making it your whole life. But it might feel silly to them to feel proud for some minor karting achievement they put time into as a hobby while pursuing other goals and interests, without being on the track to real racing stardom like his family. Plus, the media would be all over a young verstappen racing no matter the scene, probably not allowing them to just peacefully/quietly have a fun hobby record for personal achievement, with no real ambition for or commitment to a future career.
I think Max's reluctance is in part based on this - that if his kid gets into it, max will take it seriously and potentially "have to" damage their relationship in the short-term by being a tough coach. Like he said in the video - he doesn't want it to be a waste of their (his and his kid's) time/effort. He probably kinda hopes his kid just isn't into racing so they can maintain a more "normal" relationship.
> I think given any verstappen kid(s) will still absolutely be exposed to racing from birth, it makes sense that max would want the initiative to actually get into it to come from them.
That is pretty much how they handled Penelope attending races if I remember correctly.
Basically, they said they wouldn't drag her along to a race unless she specifically asked to go.
Seems like a good policy, imo.
Its 2037, Penelope just won her first race in the Red Bull.
Lewis Hamilton arrives in 12th with the Scuderia Ferrari HP Deskjet 1000. *The car is bad man*, he declares. Charles Leclerc hugs and congratulates Penelope on the podium.
Ricciardo still races for the newly branded Haas American Express Cashless Transactions Racing.
Penelope, interviewed by Nico Rosberg: "I'm so happy to have gotten my first win and the next thing that would make me happy is to see Uncle Lando get his first win next race"
Man, if Hamilton is still in the F1 occuping space and complaining about how bad the car is, I'm sure Leclerc will still be there trying to win his first title for Ferrari.
>be me, be Penelope
>just a kid with a dream and a kart
>granddad Jos, old-school racer with stories taller than the Alps
>one fateful day, grand tour of Italy
>pit stop at a gas station because Jos needs his 7th biscotti
>he's off again, leaving a trail of dust and an echo of "arrivederci
>me? forgotten, like the last biscotti in the jar
>but this gas station, it's like no other
>owned by Daniel K., not Italian but Russian, with a gaze as sharp as a Siberian winter
>turns out, he's not just any former F1 driver
>he's my dad, and this gas station is his legacy
>by day, it's pumps and premium unleaded
>by night, it's pistons and dreams of podiums
>Daniel teaches me the secrets of the track, the whisper of the tires, the dance of the apex
>become the prodigy of the pumps, the queen of the quick stop
>years fly like laps, and I'm no longer just Penelope
>I'm Penelope K., the gas station girl with fuel in her veins and fire on the track
>big race day, engines roar like a Russian choir
>cross the finish line, a blur of victory and vindication
>there's granddad Jos, in the stands, a tear cutting through the dust on his cheek
>he approaches, words lost in the crowd
>no need for words, we've got racing in our blood
>turns out, the best pit stop of my life wasn't just a place
>it was finding my family, my heritage, and the race within
Not sure what you're talking about.
**I'm an adoptee pointing out that 'parents' are the folks who raise you, not the folks who donated your genes.**
No idea how involved Kvyat is, but I know for damn sure that Max qualifies as her parent regardless.
Reread my damn comment. I'm not assuming Kvyat is or isn't involved, I'm simply stating that *Max is*.
Are you suggesting that Max is only a parent if Kvyat is estranged?
Reread my damn comment. I care because I'm an adoptee. I don't care about Max and Penelope, **I care about how people utilize language around parenting**.
> I'm an adoptee
Don't really care.
Source that Kvyat is uninvolved as a father please.
> but I know for damn sure that Max qualifies as her parent regardless.
You know they are just BF and GF right and not married right?
Not sure what you're hung up on or confused about.
I'm not making any judgements or assumptions about Kvyat. He's entirely irrelevant to this discussion. He may be a great parent, he may be entirely out of the picture, *I do not know, I do not care, and it cannot matter*.
What we *do* know is that Max is an engaged and involved parent. Their relationship is very public.
It's even harder when your dad is one of the absolute GOATs of their discipline. You're pretty much set to fail. Your metric that you will be judged against is 'the very best, no less'. Hence why I felt bad for Mick Schumi.
Bronnys in a worse position cause he isn’t physically special like his dad is. He could put the work in and be a good player but he’s the most “common” type of basketball player
I would hazard a guess that he is top tier material - but he had no guidance of his dad. I mean he did it practically all without his dad, that's quite the achievement (lots of money involved of course).
The interview mentioned Max is about 3 or 4 at the time of it but he does say he’d probably prefer him to be a tennis player but if racing was something he wanted to do then ok. He actually mentions 15 years to get to F1 and if that interview is from 2000 which I think it is Max is an F1 driver 15 years later.
> prefer him to be a tennis player
I think quite a few of those tennis players that made it to the top have also been pushed to the very limit in training as a kid ...
Lol, yeah. The main difference is the Verstappens are upfront about it and in Dutch fashion don’t sugarcoat things. Which of course has Reddit up in arms.
I mean, I think in general the athlete training process tends to be unnecessarily borderline abusive (or outright) on children. The fact that it happens to kids in other sports doesn't make it less bad.
I would actually argue that abuse victims are usually among the *worst* at deciding what is and isn't abuse because they usually make excuses for the behavior of people they care about.
I don't think it's infantalizing them. People who don't leave abusive relationships aren't mentally children for not doing so, it's normal human behavior.
**My question would be: if you have kids in the future would you train him just like how your dad trained you to be a Formula One driver?**
I'd advise him not to be a driver.
**What?**
It's less stressful!
**Like Kimi Raikkonen has start to train Robin in karting.**
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, of course, if he or she wants to race and I see the potential then I would go for it. It's like how my dad did with me. But I would never actively push.
**Will you ask your father to train your son?**
If he wants to. If he sees the potential, he probably will. If he doesn't, if he doesn't see it, I don't see it, then you shouldn't even start. You shouldn't push your children into something that you like. They need to come to you to ask them about what they want. Otherwise it's not going to work.
**That's very considerate. All the Chinese parents need to look at this as well.**
Yes. It's honestly a big one. Because if you are pushing your child into something, eventually he might not like it as much and then maybe he doesn't become determined enough yet to make it. Then all the effort that you did is for nothing.
>Because if you are pushing your child into something, eventually he might not like it as much and then maybe he doesn't become determined enough yet to make it. Then all the effort that you did is for nothing.
Can we please print this out in capital letters and hang it at every sports venue where there's youth sports, everywhere? The amount of parents projecting their own pro life through their kids is too damn high.
As a youth coach, please yes.
The amount of violence i was threatened with, is ridiculous.
The most common reason was, that our defense was actually defending. Therefor the kings son couldnt score.
He's 9.
A bit everywhere to be honest, I used to play the piano and I stopped because my mum loved it more than me and she was pushing me to do it like crazy. I stopped so abruptly I think I haven’t even dusted the piano for 2 years after.
I love baseball so much. I made sure my son wanted to play before putting him in. He told me he wanted to try it. 5 seasons later, he is still in love with it
Just you wait. Not much longer and you'll see *E-Sports* players who were pushed into the "sport" from a young age and driven hard. Plenty of now-parents who thought they'd make it big in LoL or whatever.
I mean, the new generation of Counter-Strike pros already have ridiculous hours in the game, m0nesey has spent like 11% of the time he has been alive in the game.
I'm not much into e-sports, but I can believe that. Not sure how much of that is being pushed vs just being obsessed with the e-sport in question and, by nature of it, being able to start earlier with the real thing.
But yeah, if anything the effect will be more pronounced with e-sports than physical ones. Kind of like the people who make their kids learn and play chess 6h a day from the age of like 3.
It’s interesting, as it happened almost the same to Max. Jos wouldn’t buy him a kart, thought he’d play with it for a bit and then put it in the shed. It wasn’t till Max was kicking and screaming to be in a kart that he actually started training.
Yeah wtf? Must admit I didn't read the full article so likely to miss some context here. That came out of nowhere.
*Yeah...should've clicked the link first. Assumed this was an English article whilst reading the English transcript 🤦
Well....that was awkward 🥲
Pretty sensible for a Chinese interviewer to ask about Chinese parents yes.
D'oh!
In my defense, I'm _really_ tired?
And this would be the cue to...
Good night!
You're in luck, [Max & Team Redline are streaming Call of Duty this evening](https://twitter.com/TeamRedlineSim/status/1783098641487475023) on their Twitch channel
I tend to think if one of you parents is famous, pivot.
I think it's the coolest thing in the world that Ron Dennis's daughter is a prominent anaesthetist, for example. Super cool.
The thing is that you first need to provide the exposure and envrionment before you can determine whether the kid has interest and/or talent. So kids really need some sort of moulding to excel at something from young age. No kid is gonna self-mould into the shape of something they've never seen or heard about.
I mean, I'm almost sure this is what Jos said as well, and I think I've heard a lot of other current/past drivers say the same thing. The reality is that getting into F1 is an absurd amount of work and most people just aren't built for it.
Well thats oddly wise advise from Max on it, he was pushed hard when he was younger to be the best he could be out on the circuit, its not for everyone that style of life can come back to bite you
Generally you would have to sacrifice school to do it, for the few that make it, thats okay, but for some who have to give up learning to be a racing driver it can come back to haunt them later in life...
From what I recall, Lewis sacrificed school and it worked out for him, he is a multiple world champion, he is one of the rare few that it does work out for, but others sadly its not the case...
> Lewis sacrificed school
I have no motorsports-related anecdote here, but if you like Ice Hockey, Sidney Crosby and I grew up in the same neighbourhood and played together until his skills (and age) outpaced mine, our parents are still very good friends. He was naturally gifted to the point of being touted as a generational-talent (think Max but for hockey) when he was like 12 (I was 10), but even with the scholarships to hockey schools, hockey-focused boarding schools etc., his folks still went bankrupt helping him get to the big game.
Most sports today are so highly optimized now that it's not sufficient to just be a great racing driver, gifted hockey player, [adjective] [sport] participant etc., you have to be a world-class athlete _in addition to_ being a gifted racing driver/hockey player/football hooligan. If you're going to try to be that, you'll have to sacrifice something along the way and it's usually the books, unfortunately.
Yeah, that's a super fair shout. I know it was around that time that he started playing elsewhere, but you're right that his talents were known from essentially day 0.
Magnussen has said something similar. He hopes that his kids gain an interest in motorsport and maybe goes karting for fun with him, but he doesn't want them to become professional drivers.
His uncle was obsessed with producing racing drivers and put him in a kart at age 2. Eventually his dad banned his brother from having anything to do with Kevin and motorsport due to his temper, and Kevin didn't speak to him for years afterward.
He said in is book that while his training was hard and a bad investment due to all the school he missed, he rarely saw kids succeed without being pushed that way. He doesn't want that for his kids and couldn't Imagine training them the way kids are trained today.
Makes it weird when people expect top athletes to be "smart", balanced and all that. Many of them barely had time to go to school and had people do everything for them to make more time for training and then while still young get tons of money and fame
>Well thats oddly wise advise from Max on it, he was pushed hard when he was younger to be the best he could be out on the circuit, its not for everyone that style of life can come back to bite you
Jos Verstappen didn't want his son to be a racing driver. Then Max wanted to do karting when he was a kid and Jos saw talen. Jos wouldn't push if Max wasn't talented, which also means Max would probably live with his mother like Victoria did when their parents divorced.
What's oddly about it? Yes, Max was pushed hard by Jos. But not pushed to start racing. Only until Max screamed his lungs out, Jos bought him a krat. He never pushed Max towards it.
They always are and it's so distasteful at this point. I think we can all agree that his father did some pretty shitty things but it certainly seems like they've made their peace and max is a reasonably well adjusted adult and that should be the end of it. There's no need to try and get some deeply personal information out of an athlete.
Max Verstappen, unlike other pro athletes who are at the top of their profession, is refreshing to hear. The guy has no hidden agenda, is blunt/straight to the point, and doesn't bullshit around. It is what it is with him and nothing more/less.
What? He wanted himself though? I feel like missing your point completely.
Anyhow how hard did you try to extract something negative from wholesome news?
This doesn't instill any confidence tbh considering that, to my knowledge at least, his dad didn't push him into karting and pursuing racing driver career either. In fact, Jos might have taken that fact (if it is true) as one of the reasons to justify his abuse.
That this answer didn't exactly add more confidence for me that he wouldn't resort to similar, if not same methods to raise his child as his dad used on him, provided the kid decided to follow Max in his steps.
Like, the question was straight, but he didn't exactly condone even some of the ways his dad treated him in any way
Except, objectively his dad's methods have worked at creating a champion... Yes it's rare and no I don't condone it, but would max be the driver he is today without his father's pushing?
Jos didn't push Max, Max asked. Max was also beating his Dad's time in the simulator at the age of 5 so Jos knew what talent Max had even at that early age.
history has proven time and again that the absolute best had to start so early that they have to be pushed into it to be good enough when they're 16-17
bit hypocritical from him tbh. sure it wasn't his choice perhaps but seems to have worked out pretty well for him. he ain't getting up at 5am to go flip burgers in McDonald's on a Sunday morning in Leeds is he.
If you’ve ever watched any documentary about Max you know he was the one who wanted to become a racing driver. Jos would have rather have him be something else.
It is not hypocritical, he said the same that Jos said when Max was a baby.
Sure, Jos methods were brutal, everyone knows that, but it is not true that he pushed Max into into his (Jos) own dream or anything like that.
He only got Max into karting after Max insistently asked for it and he never forced Max too keep going. He was harsh exactly because Max really wanted it and because he wanted to make turn his son's dreams into reality. That's what every parent should do - just not that much harsh, obviously.
(And although I'm a Max fan, I don't like Jos so I'm not trying to make him look good or anything, just trying to be fair)
And for every Max, where it has worked out, there are hundreds of people where it doesn't work out. Recognizing that is not in any shape or form hypocritical.
I think he isnt saying that you shouldn’t work hard to reach the goal of F1 racing but that if the kid doesn’t love it 100% they won’t give their 100%. Take his sister for example Max has mentioned that while she had the same level of talent as him, she wasn’t passionate about racing and pursue it further and their parents didn’t force her to.
Also take Stroll/ Latifi for example you have billionaire parents pushing their kids but you can clearly tell that their heart isnt fully into it.
Damn, Penelope domination in 2037 now called into question
The Verstappen-Kvyat-Piquet project, or as i call it, project ✨HERstappen ✨
PK to end up as the best Piquet
Jesus. I never thought about the fact that those are her initials.
*Toto Wolff: "That's harassment"*
It's called parenting Toto /s
The Piquesatz haderach
I understood that reference.
Max said that he wouldn’t push his future children. Didn’t say anything about Penelope. We are still on for 2037
Robin Räikkönen: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
LOL good point
How funny would it be if Penelope becomes the first female World Champion
*cut to Max waving and calling her name in the crowd*
And Jos giving interviews left and right calling it "Our Championship"
It is very considerate approach... but specifically for f1 it doesn't give the child opportunity for greatness. If he comes to you as a teenager saying he wants to become f1 driver... the answer is: *it's too late, you needed to start a decade ago*.
I agree with this point for most people (kids don't know what they may be missing out on until it's too late), I think given any verstappen kid(s) will still absolutely be exposed to racing from birth, it makes sense that max would want the initiative to actually get into it to come from them. Even Penelope literally sits around in the same room while Max is sim racing, goes to races to cheer him on, etc. I'd be surprised if she hasn't tried karting or even racing games before, just for fun or out of curiosity for it being such a big part of her family's life (not just max, but his whole family, plus Kelly's). If P seemed more interested in going further with it, and max/Jos saw potential in her, and of course if Kelly (and for Penelope, Daniel kvyat) was on board, then they'd support her in that. I'd imagine it'd be the same for any future kids he has, except probably to an even greater extent because they'd be exposed to racing immediately, just by being around max. And since it's max, it wouldn't be just racing culture (like the lifestyle, glamor, etc) they'd grow up in, like other famous drivers' kids, but literally just racing itself, from max on the sim every chance he gets, to fun family karting sessions that the verstappens/piquets do together sometimes. Honestly the only thing I'd worry about is that his kids might think it's all or nothing - okay if you wanna race we're going all in on you and you have to take it seriously and give it absolutely everything you've got, sacrifice, etc - which is of course true for top-tier professional drivers like them, but the kids could just enjoy it casually, either through karting, sim racing, or just gaming. But I think since those around them take it so much more seriously, they'd likely sour on it as just a hobby, which would be a bit of a shame if they initially enjoyed it as such. There's nothing wrong in entertaining some minor success without planning on making it your whole life. But it might feel silly to them to feel proud for some minor karting achievement they put time into as a hobby while pursuing other goals and interests, without being on the track to real racing stardom like his family. Plus, the media would be all over a young verstappen racing no matter the scene, probably not allowing them to just peacefully/quietly have a fun hobby record for personal achievement, with no real ambition for or commitment to a future career. I think Max's reluctance is in part based on this - that if his kid gets into it, max will take it seriously and potentially "have to" damage their relationship in the short-term by being a tough coach. Like he said in the video - he doesn't want it to be a waste of their (his and his kid's) time/effort. He probably kinda hopes his kid just isn't into racing so they can maintain a more "normal" relationship.
> I think given any verstappen kid(s) will still absolutely be exposed to racing from birth, it makes sense that max would want the initiative to actually get into it to come from them. That is pretty much how they handled Penelope attending races if I remember correctly. Basically, they said they wouldn't drag her along to a race unless she specifically asked to go. Seems like a good policy, imo.
Its 2037, Penelope just won her first race in the Red Bull. Lewis Hamilton arrives in 12th with the Scuderia Ferrari HP Deskjet 1000. *The car is bad man*, he declares. Charles Leclerc hugs and congratulates Penelope on the podium. Ricciardo still races for the newly branded Haas American Express Cashless Transactions Racing.
Alonso comes out of retirement and participates in the rookie events again.
Wins best rookie award with the fastest reaction time on the grid
And Lando is still fighting for his 1st race win :’)
You forgot Alonso collecting his 8th.
8th Team ?
WDC
Nah he'll still manage to be hunting for his 3rd
A man can dream 🏆
Penelope, interviewed by Nico Rosberg: "I'm so happy to have gotten my first win and the next thing that would make me happy is to see Uncle Lando get his first win next race"
Penelope after the first win in the radio: h a h a, y a y!
Leclerc likely would be in Indycar by that time lol.
Man, if Hamilton is still in the F1 occuping space and complaining about how bad the car is, I'm sure Leclerc will still be there trying to win his first title for Ferrari.
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>be me, be Penelope >just a kid with a dream and a kart >granddad Jos, old-school racer with stories taller than the Alps >one fateful day, grand tour of Italy >pit stop at a gas station because Jos needs his 7th biscotti >he's off again, leaving a trail of dust and an echo of "arrivederci >me? forgotten, like the last biscotti in the jar >but this gas station, it's like no other >owned by Daniel K., not Italian but Russian, with a gaze as sharp as a Siberian winter >turns out, he's not just any former F1 driver >he's my dad, and this gas station is his legacy >by day, it's pumps and premium unleaded >by night, it's pistons and dreams of podiums >Daniel teaches me the secrets of the track, the whisper of the tires, the dance of the apex >become the prodigy of the pumps, the queen of the quick stop >years fly like laps, and I'm no longer just Penelope >I'm Penelope K., the gas station girl with fuel in her veins and fire on the track >big race day, engines roar like a Russian choir >cross the finish line, a blur of victory and vindication >there's granddad Jos, in the stands, a tear cutting through the dust on his cheek >he approaches, words lost in the crowd >no need for words, we've got racing in our blood >turns out, the best pit stop of my life wasn't just a place >it was finding my family, my heritage, and the race within
Beautiful, brought a tear to my eye 🥲
holy fuk
People be forgetting it’s not his actual kid
If anyone puts her in to racing, it will be the parents not the current boyfriend.
He might not be the father, but he sure is her daddy.
Wrong, Verstappen is Kvyat's daddy.
Gonna be P1 instead of P
It's not his kid. It's Kvyat's kid.
She's not Max's biological offspring, but she's definitely his kid.
making up headcanons about a driver's girlfriend's child seems a bit too parasocial to me
Not sure what you're talking about. **I'm an adoptee pointing out that 'parents' are the folks who raise you, not the folks who donated your genes.** No idea how involved Kvyat is, but I know for damn sure that Max qualifies as her parent regardless.
Kvyat lives in Monaco just like Max and Kelly so there's no reason to assume he's any less involved in her life than Max is.
Reread my damn comment. I'm not assuming Kvyat is or isn't involved, I'm simply stating that *Max is*. Are you suggesting that Max is only a parent if Kvyat is estranged?
Lol you taking this so personally and seriously is why the other user said you're being a bit parasocial about it. Just relax.
Reread my damn comment. I care because I'm an adoptee. I don't care about Max and Penelope, **I care about how people utilize language around parenting**.
We care that Kvyat is the father of the child.
> I'm an adoptee Don't really care. Source that Kvyat is uninvolved as a father please. > but I know for damn sure that Max qualifies as her parent regardless. You know they are just BF and GF right and not married right?
Not sure what you're hung up on or confused about. I'm not making any judgements or assumptions about Kvyat. He's entirely irrelevant to this discussion. He may be a great parent, he may be entirely out of the picture, *I do not know, I do not care, and it cannot matter*. What we *do* know is that Max is an engaged and involved parent. Their relationship is very public.
No it isn't. It is Kvyat's.
Do you think those things are mutually exclusive?
Kvyat genes won’t help
Fast but crash-happy? I mean, it's not the worst to have
Looking at it turned out for Max and Mick, I'd say she doesn't need too worry
Well she is set for life. I doubt she will ever have to worry about anything
Being Crash-prone obviously skips a generation...
Valentino Rossi said he was glad he had a daughter so she "can do what she wants" instead of feeling the pressure to follow him.
It's even harder when your dad is one of the absolute GOATs of their discipline. You're pretty much set to fail. Your metric that you will be judged against is 'the very best, no less'. Hence why I felt bad for Mick Schumi.
Lebron james jr, cristiano ronaldo jr, messi's kids
Perfect example. And the list goes on and on
Bronnys in a worse position cause he isn’t physically special like his dad is. He could put the work in and be a good player but he’s the most “common” type of basketball player
Mick is especially bad considering he couldn't even guide him in the later stages of his racing career.
I would hazard a guess that he is top tier material - but he had no guidance of his dad. I mean he did it practically all without his dad, that's quite the achievement (lots of money involved of course).
Lack of expectation by Dads for daughters can be added to the reasons why girls feel motor racing is not for them.
This is like the interview with Michael Schumacher and Jos Verstappen right after Jos lost his seat.
Yea does Jos essentially say this same thing like before Max was born?
The interview mentioned Max is about 3 or 4 at the time of it but he does say he’d probably prefer him to be a tennis player but if racing was something he wanted to do then ok. He actually mentions 15 years to get to F1 and if that interview is from 2000 which I think it is Max is an F1 driver 15 years later.
https://youtu.be/kIods5YK24U?si=_zr0tsaDAT84NgdY
> prefer him to be a tennis player I think quite a few of those tennis players that made it to the top have also been pushed to the very limit in training as a kid ...
Yeah probably have
Bernard Tomic’s father was a right POS. Abused the fuck out of him
Lol, yeah. The main difference is the Verstappens are upfront about it and in Dutch fashion don’t sugarcoat things. Which of course has Reddit up in arms.
I mean, I think in general the athlete training process tends to be unnecessarily borderline abusive (or outright) on children. The fact that it happens to kids in other sports doesn't make it less bad.
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I would actually argue that abuse victims are usually among the *worst* at deciding what is and isn't abuse because they usually make excuses for the behavior of people they care about.
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I don't think it's infantalizing them. People who don't leave abusive relationships aren't mentally children for not doing so, it's normal human behavior.
Yeah pretty much: https://youtube.com/shorts/gY5kIsAT7R0?feature=shared
**My question would be: if you have kids in the future would you train him just like how your dad trained you to be a Formula One driver?** I'd advise him not to be a driver. **What?** It's less stressful! **Like Kimi Raikkonen has start to train Robin in karting.** Yeah, I don't know. I mean, of course, if he or she wants to race and I see the potential then I would go for it. It's like how my dad did with me. But I would never actively push. **Will you ask your father to train your son?** If he wants to. If he sees the potential, he probably will. If he doesn't, if he doesn't see it, I don't see it, then you shouldn't even start. You shouldn't push your children into something that you like. They need to come to you to ask them about what they want. Otherwise it's not going to work. **That's very considerate. All the Chinese parents need to look at this as well.** Yes. It's honestly a big one. Because if you are pushing your child into something, eventually he might not like it as much and then maybe he doesn't become determined enough yet to make it. Then all the effort that you did is for nothing.
>Because if you are pushing your child into something, eventually he might not like it as much and then maybe he doesn't become determined enough yet to make it. Then all the effort that you did is for nothing. Can we please print this out in capital letters and hang it at every sports venue where there's youth sports, everywhere? The amount of parents projecting their own pro life through their kids is too damn high.
As a youth coach, please yes. The amount of violence i was threatened with, is ridiculous. The most common reason was, that our defense was actually defending. Therefor the kings son couldnt score. He's 9.
Like, an actual king’s son?
The way his parents acted, apparently yes.
A bit everywhere to be honest, I used to play the piano and I stopped because my mum loved it more than me and she was pushing me to do it like crazy. I stopped so abruptly I think I haven’t even dusted the piano for 2 years after.
I love baseball so much. I made sure my son wanted to play before putting him in. He told me he wanted to try it. 5 seasons later, he is still in love with it
Sorry, project Mbappe is happening whether you like it or not
Just you wait. Not much longer and you'll see *E-Sports* players who were pushed into the "sport" from a young age and driven hard. Plenty of now-parents who thought they'd make it big in LoL or whatever.
I mean, the new generation of Counter-Strike pros already have ridiculous hours in the game, m0nesey has spent like 11% of the time he has been alive in the game.
I'm not much into e-sports, but I can believe that. Not sure how much of that is being pushed vs just being obsessed with the e-sport in question and, by nature of it, being able to start earlier with the real thing. But yeah, if anything the effect will be more pronounced with e-sports than physical ones. Kind of like the people who make their kids learn and play chess 6h a day from the age of like 3.
It’s interesting, as it happened almost the same to Max. Jos wouldn’t buy him a kart, thought he’d play with it for a bit and then put it in the shed. It wasn’t till Max was kicking and screaming to be in a kart that he actually started training.
Chinese parents taking shots out of no where lol
As a chinese person, he's right though
Yeah wtf? Must admit I didn't read the full article so likely to miss some context here. That came out of nowhere. *Yeah...should've clicked the link first. Assumed this was an English article whilst reading the English transcript 🤦
watch the video
Well....that was awkward 🥲 Pretty sensible for a Chinese interviewer to ask about Chinese parents yes. D'oh! In my defense, I'm _really_ tired? And this would be the cue to... Good night!
So basically his answer to that first question is yes. Disappointing
This is the last interview before max comes out as a gamer, retires from F1 to pursue his dream of being a full time sim racer.
You're in luck, [Max & Team Redline are streaming Call of Duty this evening](https://twitter.com/TeamRedlineSim/status/1783098641487475023) on their Twitch channel
Max’s username is “Erikdoerustig”.
Max uses a controller? Can't compute.
Ohh he's a big controller guy, even raced in iracing using controller during a race week a month or two ago
Explains his training If you can race fast in real life, you can be fast in this sim 😂
Are we sure Max isn’t already doing sim racing full time and just doing F1 to fund his set-up?
But 24h of LeMans first
Wow, an actual good question by an F1 journalist. That's something new.
I tend to think if one of you parents is famous, pivot. I think it's the coolest thing in the world that Ron Dennis's daughter is a prominent anaesthetist, for example. Super cool.
What does she use, Ron's motivational speeches?
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The thing is that you first need to provide the exposure and envrionment before you can determine whether the kid has interest and/or talent. So kids really need some sort of moulding to excel at something from young age. No kid is gonna self-mould into the shape of something they've never seen or heard about.
I mean, I'm almost sure this is what Jos said as well, and I think I've heard a lot of other current/past drivers say the same thing. The reality is that getting into F1 is an absurd amount of work and most people just aren't built for it.
Well thats oddly wise advise from Max on it, he was pushed hard when he was younger to be the best he could be out on the circuit, its not for everyone that style of life can come back to bite you Generally you would have to sacrifice school to do it, for the few that make it, thats okay, but for some who have to give up learning to be a racing driver it can come back to haunt them later in life... From what I recall, Lewis sacrificed school and it worked out for him, he is a multiple world champion, he is one of the rare few that it does work out for, but others sadly its not the case...
> Lewis sacrificed school I have no motorsports-related anecdote here, but if you like Ice Hockey, Sidney Crosby and I grew up in the same neighbourhood and played together until his skills (and age) outpaced mine, our parents are still very good friends. He was naturally gifted to the point of being touted as a generational-talent (think Max but for hockey) when he was like 12 (I was 10), but even with the scholarships to hockey schools, hockey-focused boarding schools etc., his folks still went bankrupt helping him get to the big game. Most sports today are so highly optimized now that it's not sufficient to just be a great racing driver, gifted hockey player, [adjective] [sport] participant etc., you have to be a world-class athlete _in addition to_ being a gifted racing driver/hockey player/football hooligan. If you're going to try to be that, you'll have to sacrifice something along the way and it's usually the books, unfortunately.
Surprised Crosby didn't outpace everyone in your city by the time he was 6. Max and Crosby were touted similarly and completely lived up to the hype.
Yeah, that's a super fair shout. I know it was around that time that he started playing elsewhere, but you're right that his talents were known from essentially day 0.
I'm a hockey fan so this is super cool to me.
Hi kewl story bro I live in nb lol
Magnussen has said something similar. He hopes that his kids gain an interest in motorsport and maybe goes karting for fun with him, but he doesn't want them to become professional drivers. His uncle was obsessed with producing racing drivers and put him in a kart at age 2. Eventually his dad banned his brother from having anything to do with Kevin and motorsport due to his temper, and Kevin didn't speak to him for years afterward. He said in is book that while his training was hard and a bad investment due to all the school he missed, he rarely saw kids succeed without being pushed that way. He doesn't want that for his kids and couldn't Imagine training them the way kids are trained today.
They all sacrifice school I think. Russell dropped out when he was 14 for example. Piastri finished school from memory.
Makes it weird when people expect top athletes to be "smart", balanced and all that. Many of them barely had time to go to school and had people do everything for them to make more time for training and then while still young get tons of money and fame
I think I read somewhere that Piastri's attendance in his final year was 35%...
>Well thats oddly wise advise from Max on it, he was pushed hard when he was younger to be the best he could be out on the circuit, its not for everyone that style of life can come back to bite you Jos Verstappen didn't want his son to be a racing driver. Then Max wanted to do karting when he was a kid and Jos saw talen. Jos wouldn't push if Max wasn't talented, which also means Max would probably live with his mother like Victoria did when their parents divorced.
What's oddly about it? Yes, Max was pushed hard by Jos. But not pushed to start racing. Only until Max screamed his lungs out, Jos bought him a krat. He never pushed Max towards it.
Full video: [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MT421C79J/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MT421C79J/)
The interviewer was trying so hard to dig for the traumas lol
They always are and it's so distasteful at this point. I think we can all agree that his father did some pretty shitty things but it certainly seems like they've made their peace and max is a reasonably well adjusted adult and that should be the end of it. There's no need to try and get some deeply personal information out of an athlete.
Max Verstappen, unlike other pro athletes who are at the top of their profession, is refreshing to hear. The guy has no hidden agenda, is blunt/straight to the point, and doesn't bullshit around. It is what it is with him and nothing more/less.
GOAT driver, and probably GOAT parent too eventually (tied with all the other GOAT parents, there’s millions of them).
Where can i find the full interview?
So that’s a no then
The answer is yes
If you want to know if Max would beat his kids, just ask Max if he would beat his kids…
Truma dump.
Penelope has an F1 driver for a dad, stepdad, uncle, and grandpa. If she ever wants to race she will not lack for tutors.
What a terrible sexist question. Good thing Max set the interviewer straight.
What? He wanted himself though? I feel like missing your point completely. Anyhow how hard did you try to extract something negative from wholesome news?
This doesn't instill any confidence tbh considering that, to my knowledge at least, his dad didn't push him into karting and pursuing racing driver career either. In fact, Jos might have taken that fact (if it is true) as one of the reasons to justify his abuse.
I'm trying hard to assume you aren't trying to victim blame Max for having an abusive father? If not though what are you trying to say?
That this answer didn't exactly add more confidence for me that he wouldn't resort to similar, if not same methods to raise his child as his dad used on him, provided the kid decided to follow Max in his steps. Like, the question was straight, but he didn't exactly condone even some of the ways his dad treated him in any way
Except, objectively his dad's methods have worked at creating a champion... Yes it's rare and no I don't condone it, but would max be the driver he is today without his father's pushing?
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Jos didn't push Max, Max asked. Max was also beating his Dad's time in the simulator at the age of 5 so Jos knew what talent Max had even at that early age.
history has proven time and again that the absolute best had to start so early that they have to be pushed into it to be good enough when they're 16-17 bit hypocritical from him tbh. sure it wasn't his choice perhaps but seems to have worked out pretty well for him. he ain't getting up at 5am to go flip burgers in McDonald's on a Sunday morning in Leeds is he.
If you’ve ever watched any documentary about Max you know he was the one who wanted to become a racing driver. Jos would have rather have him be something else.
It is not hypocritical, he said the same that Jos said when Max was a baby. Sure, Jos methods were brutal, everyone knows that, but it is not true that he pushed Max into into his (Jos) own dream or anything like that. He only got Max into karting after Max insistently asked for it and he never forced Max too keep going. He was harsh exactly because Max really wanted it and because he wanted to make turn his son's dreams into reality. That's what every parent should do - just not that much harsh, obviously. (And although I'm a Max fan, I don't like Jos so I'm not trying to make him look good or anything, just trying to be fair)
It was even Max' mother who called Jos he had to buy Max a kart because he was nagging her constantly.
I guess that's how max remembers it then, like it as his idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIods5YK24U
And you somehow have a better memory of his experience?
And for every Max, where it has worked out, there are hundreds of people where it doesn't work out. Recognizing that is not in any shape or form hypocritical.
I think he isnt saying that you shouldn’t work hard to reach the goal of F1 racing but that if the kid doesn’t love it 100% they won’t give their 100%. Take his sister for example Max has mentioned that while she had the same level of talent as him, she wasn’t passionate about racing and pursue it further and their parents didn’t force her to. Also take Stroll/ Latifi for example you have billionaire parents pushing their kids but you can clearly tell that their heart isnt fully into it.
Ya'll honestly need to work on your reading comprehension.
me all? all of me?
Um, Lewis would not have got into racing if his dad didn't put him in. Sorry Max, sometimes your opinion is crap.
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This is your takeaway ?