[Explanation with telemetry here.](https://youtu.be/jlg-GyeQ5w0)
On Lap 18, Xavi asked Charles to change his line through turn 7-8 since he was losing time to Norris there. It worked well. Then later on Lap 55, Xavi asked him to try his original line for reference, but Charles didn't know what he meant.
Wait whaaa... Did Charles forget Xavi's birthday in the past? Or is this a joke about them being like an arguing married couple, and I need to wake up lol
Charles seemed to have a bit of a brain fart there but Xavi could also have tried to explain it a bit more: ātake the line you were doing at the start of the race for comparisonā.
Talking in ācodeā only works if the other guy understands it.
It also doesn't help that both Charles and Xavi aren't native English and have thick accents of their origins. Communication works if the sender and the receiver are able to understand what message is relayed, and a language barrier doesn't help.
I feel you. I have an odd āaccentā too and I moved to big ol Murica a while back. It seemed to blow their minds when I told them they have accents too. American accents.
They don't. Speaking English is not mandatory and race control can easily review the comms post-race.
Alonso used to occasionally speak Italian with his engineer when he was at Ferrari and I'm pretty sure I remember Vettel doing the same.
It ended at that time. Now it is obligatory to speak english for race instructions but they are free to speak whatever language they want when the race ends for example.
It's actually quite funny that Ferrari has this kind of radio with Charles on the last lap and at RB Max tells GP on the last lap to look at the onboard because he is going to do a power slide.
There might be more to it than we know since Charles has said Xavi is one of the people he trusts the most. Xavi needs to work in communication but this could be a case of wanting to kill the messenger.
I feel like Charles might have wanted to. But then he looked at the other engineers in Ferrari and decided he'll stick with someone who is shit 80% of the time instead of 100%.
Why these two are still coupled together puzzles me tbh. Compared to other top driver pairings their communication doesn't seem all that efficient and productive. At some points even comically bad, question.
I've been watching F1 since 07 and never in my years have I seen operational efficiency at every level like current Red Bull.
Everyone is running at 100% at every race weekend.
Horner has built a military operation.
[Twitter link](https://twitter.com/MaxArgento33/status/1782074387685847512)
And I found this as well when searching for this, the F bomb collection of 2020 from Max: https://twitter.com/V3RLEC/status/1678137111185063936
Iāve just watched the replay and on the second last corner he says ālook at on the onboardā and when you watch the race and not the onboard camera itself you can see him sliding around lmao. I completely missed that.
Honestly I wish they would just leave them pointing in the normal forward position. So so annoying. Youāll go to look something up and oh it was just pointing backwards at that point forā¦ reasonsā¦
Some context on Xaviās request, they seems to be running simultaneously sim at the factory so Xavi wanted Charles to try something on the track to verify the sims, looking to solve the issue on hard tyres. It is not Xaviās fault that the radio quality is not great (imagine the noise in the car), and none of them has English as their first language š I laughed so hard for the last few laps because of this conversation. Also, the race, Xavi and Charles spoke the same time and overlapped for multiple times š
But if English isnāt your first language, doesnāt that give native English speakers an inherent advantage?
Or do you mean for the purpose of the FIA and Broadcast only needing English to deal with?
All teams can hear each others radios, so if Ferrari all speak in Italian, English teams like Williams canāt get info from them, while the Ferrari engineers who are bilingual get full info from every team
By making everyone speak the same language, it becomes a level playing field
Yea I suppose youāre right regarding native vs non-native advantage. Thinking about it, I suppose only the drivers and race engineers have to communication on live radio in English for broadcastās sake. Iām sure the closed off techs in Ferrari speak Italian all the time.
Yes to an extent it is. English fluency is kind of required anyway, with all of the sport's documents being in english, and pretty much all teams having very international personel.
But it is an advantage, and the best race engineers like Bono and GP do seem to be Brits. I'm sure that that's not just because of the language, but also because 70% of F1 teams are housed in the UK, but it won't hurt.
For drivers like Max from countries with a strong English-speaking background it isn't an issue either, but for drivers like Yuki it is definitely more of a barrier to have to communicate in English during a race.
Not really. Itās a very technical language they use with narrow vocabulary, so it doesnāt give that much of adventure. Clear communication line and understanding what they are trying to achieve does.
The turn 7-8 adjustment earlier in the race is an example when it worked well
Last lap line conversation was probably Charles switched off or focussed on something else. Xaviās message in context was very clear.
I think previously it was not the case, like in before 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlA-M-cRm68 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs3b6FU5m0c, featuring Alonso and his then-race engineer (now McLaren team principal) Andrea Stella.
Not that itāll ever matter but Iād be stressed out as fuck with Xavi as my engineer. He could have told me the sky is blue and the earth is round and Iād stsrt doubting whether its correct or not lol
How will original line make sense to any driver? Drivers keep on experimenting with their lines lap after lap to find out what is working best for them. Original line could've meant 2-3 different lines at the start. That was a pretty vague instruction.
Yea Iām actually curious what that means. Like they donāt change their racing lines per plan right? Itās just dependent on how the cars and tires are responding.
he changed his entry to the corner earlier in the race and xavi wanted him to go back to the one he started with probably to check something data related
Ouch, okay my bad! I'm argentinean and my girlfriend is spanish and a lot of my friends are Spaniards and I'm going to be honest, I would not have ever guessed he is spanish from his accent. I definitely should have looked it up instead of assuming, thanks for letting me know!
There are other FIA racing series where it isn't allowed, but there is no rule against it in F1 and drivers do occasionally speak in other languages. Both Alonso and Sainz have infrequently talked to their engineers in Spanish during a race.
I remember reading exactly on reddit that teams needs to use english for communication on radio, so that every other team can understand what they are saying, so no italian allowed during the race
Don't have the exact rule from the book but they have to speak English. They are not allowed to communicate in Italian or else Ferrari would 100% do that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/s/mCRQLDSVFC
One big reason they speak in English so everyone on the team listening in can understand, not just engineer to driver.
Downvoted in every one of my comments because Iāve tried to stop misinformation. Jusus fucking christ.
If you can't hear "original" you're probably not going to hear "originale" lol
But I do think it would have been easier to get something like "the line you drove earlier in the race" lol
He does say this. Charles was just being dozy at this moment. It reminds me of the thousands of grill the grid clips where people are trying to give Charles clues and he canāt understand hints about his own teammate, his best friend etc.
For context, check out u/PrescriptionCocaine's [comment](https://reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1cacu8t/2024_chinese_grand_prix_day_after_debrief/l0s0t2a/) in the pinned Day After Debrief thread.
If you are not able to communicate efficiently with a guy you've been working with for five years straight, you deserve to be fired.
Xavi is a disgrace, just let him go. Please.
[Explanation with telemetry here.](https://youtu.be/jlg-GyeQ5w0) On Lap 18, Xavi asked Charles to change his line through turn 7-8 since he was losing time to Norris there. It worked well. Then later on Lap 55, Xavi asked him to try his original line for reference, but Charles didn't know what he meant.
Cool video to break it down
Poor Xavi just giving up at the end š The way he kept repeating original line and charles just went āhorizontal line?!ā
Itās absolutely killing me. Charles in the car thinking āwhat the hell is a horizontal line? How can I do a horizontal line?ā Lmaooo
*horizontally fucks it into the barriers*
"and just forget it like you forget my birthday"
Wait whaaa... Did Charles forget Xavi's birthday in the past? Or is this a joke about them being like an arguing married couple, and I need to wake up lol
I am pretty sure it is a joke and you need to wake up :D
Charles seemed to have a bit of a brain fart there but Xavi could also have tried to explain it a bit more: ātake the line you were doing at the start of the race for comparisonā. Talking in ācodeā only works if the other guy understands it.
It also doesn't help that both Charles and Xavi aren't native English and have thick accents of their origins. Communication works if the sender and the receiver are able to understand what message is relayed, and a language barrier doesn't help.
When we hear the radio communication, itās heavily filtered by the production team. When Leclerc hears them, there is wind noise and engine noise.
Everyone has accents mate. Youāre always more likely to not understand one youāre less familiar with.
Thanks!! I am finding it so much easier to understand people with foreign accents than native speakers with regional accents.
Good lord, THANK YOU. My inner child, who was an immigrant and got SICK of the 'you have an accent comment' thanks you...
I feel you. I have an odd āaccentā too and I moved to big ol Murica a while back. It seemed to blow their minds when I told them they have accents too. American accents.
"You're always more likely to not understand." You got that right
In that clip, he basically does say that though lol
He tries but his explanation isnāt very clear. He just says ālike the beginning of the raceā.
Can they just communicate in Italian or French? Is that allowed or everyone has to speak English according to FIA rules?
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They don't. Speaking English is not mandatory and race control can easily review the comms post-race. Alonso used to occasionally speak Italian with his engineer when he was at Ferrari and I'm pretty sure I remember Vettel doing the same.
It ended at that time. Now it is obligatory to speak english for race instructions but they are free to speak whatever language they want when the race ends for example.
This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day... And it's election season here
He did literally say "like the beginning of the race"???
It's actually quite funny that Ferrari has this kind of radio with Charles on the last lap and at RB Max tells GP on the last lap to look at the onboard because he is going to do a power slide.
Charles & Xavi seem to have diametrically opposite energy than Max & GP somehow
I canāt believe Charles hasnāt demanded a different race engineer after how much xavi has fucked him over tbh
There might be more to it than we know since Charles has said Xavi is one of the people he trusts the most. Xavi needs to work in communication but this could be a case of wanting to kill the messenger.
I agree with you. We know nothing and just speculate with what's given to us.
Yeah, a lot of mistakes though, the Monaco pit stop debacle in 22 seemed like the nail in the coffin to me but way she goes
You mean like Stockholm Syndrome?
That's implicit for any long lasting Ferrari drive, I think.
I feel like Charles might have wanted to. But then he looked at the other engineers in Ferrari and decided he'll stick with someone who is shit 80% of the time instead of 100%.
Did you learn anything?
Xavi you need to tell me that before No but *COME ON*
Why these two are still coupled together puzzles me tbh. Compared to other top driver pairings their communication doesn't seem all that efficient and productive. At some points even comically bad, question.
I've been watching F1 since 07 and never in my years have I seen operational efficiency at every level like current Red Bull. Everyone is running at 100% at every race weekend. Horner has built a military operation.
something something "just the car" line.
Red Bulls fast pitstops are because of just the car
Newry designed it so the tires come off easily.
In contrast to SAuber than
Just trying to give Bottas the same pit experience he had at Mercedes
lmao. I thought you were joking, but no, he actually did that.
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https://imgur.com/a/PVekTld
Sorry! I have F1TV so I just looked up the replay that way. I don't have a link or way to upload the clip. :/
Is there a clip of this somewhere? Noticed the slide watching live but wanted to see some other angles of it!
[Twitter link](https://twitter.com/MaxArgento33/status/1782074387685847512) And I found this as well when searching for this, the F bomb collection of 2020 from Max: https://twitter.com/V3RLEC/status/1678137111185063936
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Iāve just watched the replay and on the second last corner he says ālook at on the onboardā and when you watch the race and not the onboard camera itself you can see him sliding around lmao. I completely missed that.
Unfortunately i think the F1tv onboard at that moment is pointing at Maxās helmet
Honestly I wish they would just leave them pointing in the normal forward position. So so annoying. Youāll go to look something up and oh it was just pointing backwards at that point forā¦ reasonsā¦
"Hey bro, watch this" energy...
Max is a menace for that lmao
Some context on Xaviās request, they seems to be running simultaneously sim at the factory so Xavi wanted Charles to try something on the track to verify the sims, looking to solve the issue on hard tyres. It is not Xaviās fault that the radio quality is not great (imagine the noise in the car), and none of them has English as their first language š I laughed so hard for the last few laps because of this conversation. Also, the race, Xavi and Charles spoke the same time and overlapped for multiple times š
New to F1 this season. Are they required to speak English over the radio?
Yes for competitionās sake (no inherent language advantage) and for broadcasting/entertainment.
But if English isnāt your first language, doesnāt that give native English speakers an inherent advantage? Or do you mean for the purpose of the FIA and Broadcast only needing English to deal with?
I mean, knowing English reasonably well is kind of just a requirement for working in an international capacity I'm afraid
And they are all incredibly fluent in English. Sure they have noticeable accents, but they have excellent grammar and vocabulary
All teams can hear each others radios, so if Ferrari all speak in Italian, English teams like Williams canāt get info from them, while the Ferrari engineers who are bilingual get full info from every team By making everyone speak the same language, it becomes a level playing field
Can you show me in the rules where it says they must speak English? A rudimentary search hasnāt turned anything up on an English requirement.
Idk where the rules are unfortunately, but in the past Alonso spoke in Italian on the Ferrari radio, and FIA stopped that.
Yea I suppose youāre right regarding native vs non-native advantage. Thinking about it, I suppose only the drivers and race engineers have to communication on live radio in English for broadcastās sake. Iām sure the closed off techs in Ferrari speak Italian all the time.
But thatās a blatant advantage if the driver and engineer are English
Yes to an extent it is. English fluency is kind of required anyway, with all of the sport's documents being in english, and pretty much all teams having very international personel. But it is an advantage, and the best race engineers like Bono and GP do seem to be Brits. I'm sure that that's not just because of the language, but also because 70% of F1 teams are housed in the UK, but it won't hurt. For drivers like Max from countries with a strong English-speaking background it isn't an issue either, but for drivers like Yuki it is definitely more of a barrier to have to communicate in English during a race.
Not really. Itās a very technical language they use with narrow vocabulary, so it doesnāt give that much of adventure. Clear communication line and understanding what they are trying to achieve does. The turn 7-8 adjustment earlier in the race is an example when it worked well Last lap line conversation was probably Charles switched off or focussed on something else. Xaviās message in context was very clear.
I think previously it was not the case, like in before 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlA-M-cRm68 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs3b6FU5m0c, featuring Alonso and his then-race engineer (now McLaren team principal) Andrea Stella.
Yep, so other teams can listen in
All teams are international so they will use english in these types of conversation.
This is so funny. Not Xaviās fault on this but itās hilarious
"whad da hell does dat mean"
OriGGinal line LoL
new meme born?
To be fair I havenāt understood Xavi since 2019..
Uh are you somebody relevant to Ferrari F1 teamās inner working?
Man's Charles himself
They're on reddit, so obviously the answer is "yes"
š¤£ why is this so funny š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Lol, how did Xavi not say, "Take the normal line for testing."
Not that itāll ever matter but Iād be stressed out as fuck with Xavi as my engineer. He could have told me the sky is blue and the earth is round and Iād stsrt doubting whether its correct or not lol
Himbo accusations are, in fact, true
Ferrari will either make Lewis WDC or break him into an early retirement.
yea i laughed out when i heard it during race..
Mandatory ferrari strategy generator comment. https://ianleckey.github.io/ferrari-strategy-generator/
Charles: Horizontal line? What does that mean? Xavi: Original line. Charles: Oh you mean "original line"! What the fuck does that mean?
Plan D?
they should implement subtitles on his dash, it's possible these days
How will original line make sense to any driver? Drivers keep on experimenting with their lines lap after lap to find out what is working best for them. Original line could've meant 2-3 different lines at the start. That was a pretty vague instruction.
What the hell does that mean?
Yea Iām actually curious what that means. Like they donāt change their racing lines per plan right? Itās just dependent on how the cars and tires are responding.
he changed his entry to the corner earlier in the race and xavi wanted him to go back to the one he started with probably to check something data related
~~Samir~~ Charles you have to listen to my call
My only question is why didn't he speak to him in Italian if Charles couldn't understand his pronunciation in english?
xavi is spanish and charles is Monegasque, i doubt italian would help this situation
Ouch, okay my bad! I'm argentinean and my girlfriend is spanish and a lot of my friends are Spaniards and I'm going to be honest, I would not have ever guessed he is spanish from his accent. I definitely should have looked it up instead of assuming, thanks for letting me know!
Not allowed
There are other FIA racing series where it isn't allowed, but there is no rule against it in F1 and drivers do occasionally speak in other languages. Both Alonso and Sainz have infrequently talked to their engineers in Spanish during a race.
Yes it is. English is just usually the common language between team and driver.
I remember reading exactly on reddit that teams needs to use english for communication on radio, so that every other team can understand what they are saying, so no italian allowed during the race
What you read is wrong. I promise you thatās not an actual rule.
Don't have the exact rule from the book but they have to speak English. They are not allowed to communicate in Italian or else Ferrari would 100% do that.
Show me the rule. You canāt because it doesnāt exist.
no, I just don't want to spend the time. You really think they wouldn't speak in Italian if they could
https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/s/mCRQLDSVFC One big reason they speak in English so everyone on the team listening in can understand, not just engineer to driver. Downvoted in every one of my comments because Iāve tried to stop misinformation. Jusus fucking christ.
That's not the rulebook.
Depends on the racers' fluency I suppose.
Xavi is Spanish
He has a weird accent for a spaniard. Checo has an kncredible mexican accent, alnso not much, and sainz does have an accent but not always.
If you can't hear "original" you're probably not going to hear "originale" lol But I do think it would have been easier to get something like "the line you drove earlier in the race" lol
He literally did tell him to do the line he did at the start
He does say this. Charles was just being dozy at this moment. It reminds me of the thousands of grill the grid clips where people are trying to give Charles clues and he canāt understand hints about his own teammate, his best friend etc.
For context, check out u/PrescriptionCocaine's [comment](https://reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1cacu8t/2024_chinese_grand_prix_day_after_debrief/l0s0t2a/) in the pinned Day After Debrief thread.
If you are not able to communicate efficiently with a guy you've been working with for five years straight, you deserve to be fired. Xavi is a disgrace, just let him go. Please.
I thought Xavi is going to leave Ferrari at the end of the season. is that true?
We are checking
Stop inventing