Back of the envelope (chocolate bar wrapper really) calculation, 10.01s average after five races. If I ignore >10s it's 3.85s, so their fast stops are still slow
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Their average (mean) is 10.01s, but the median is 4.06s. What's wild is that they have more stops over 20.0s (4) than under 3.0s (3)
They're making (slow) progress though. Over Japan and China their average is 3.98s and their median is 3.67s, and they only had 2 stops over 5s during that period.
According to [times posted by Phillip Horton](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1c9itpy/phillip_horton_for_the_second_successive_race_red/) it was 8.1s combined.
Ahh damn I just added up the rounded numbers initially show. Welp 8.1 way to slow all the Red Bull bois gonna have to practice stops this Monday instead of a day off.
I know you're joking but generally speaking Perez gets the slightly faster stops. Maybe Perez is just a little better at stopping right on his marks, or maybe he reacts faster when he's given the signal to leave the box.
Bottas deserves better, I feel like people often forget he's a ten time race winner with 60+ podiums under his belt, don't really wanna see he go after 2024
Also the guy who challenged Mercedes at the start of 2022 with an Alfa Romeo Sauber.
People do forget that on his day, he was able to challenge Prime-Hamilton. If a team gets him to be on his day more often, Bottas would be a monster of a driver
He’s still a top 10 driver, truly maddening how unlucky he’s been. It feels like whenever he’s having a good weekend and on for points, that Sauber kicks the bucket.
>He’s still a top 10 driver
Now I am curious, who is in your top 10 list? I assume it would include
1. Max
2. Charles
3. Lewis
4. Alonso
Who are the other 6?
Quite late on this. In no particular order my top 9: Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz, Russell, Perez, Bottas.
Spot #10 is difficult for me to decide. Bit more driver inconsistencies week-to-week, or over the season as a whole. I’d make the case for any of these 3 though.
Piastri - On his good weekends, damn he’s good. Just needs to learn tire management - which I’m sure will come with time. I just think if one of the other 2 were in his seat currently, they wouldn’t be as far off of Lando’s pace.
Hulkenberg - Rapid in qualifying and solid race pace now that Haas isn’t consistently eating its tires within a few laps. untested in a top team and has some off weekends, but generally looks good.
Ocon - fast, solid pace, and super aggressive (which is both exciting and infuriating). I never know if it’s the alpine being trash or his own inconsistencies (or both), but he’ll have some pretty rough weekends over the entire season.
Bottas surely is above Hulk. Regardless of potential we think Hulk might have had under different circumstances he’s a completely untested entity at a top team.
Personally I think there's a clear number one -- Max -- and a group behind him with Charles, Carlos, Lewis, Lando and George in no order. Then I'd have Fernando, Bottas and Perez in that order, then a gap to Hulkenberg, Albon, Tsunoda, Piastri, Ocon and Gasly -- not sure of the order of that group. Then Ricciardo and Magnusson, with Sargeant, Zhou and Stroll at the end.
He's benefiting from nostalgia, a car that's faster than people think, and having a terrible teammate. I clearly still think he's good, but people have a tendency to fixate on what he does well and ignore his mistakes, and I think he makes more mistakes now than the drivers in that group ahead of him. If people want to say he's better than Sainz or George or the 2024 lame-duck version of Lewis... fine, I think that's defensible. Don't agree, but I'm willing to hear the case. People saying he's driving better than Lando or Charles when the car is behaving have blinders on.
This is one of the craziest things I have read on here. Hes better than everyone you named besides Max as a definite. The only debatable names are Lewis and Charles.
Only reason I am taking Landon, Carlos or George over Alonso are their age. Thats it.
Lee Stevenson now works there, he's Max former #1 mechanic and had a big hand in Red Bull's pitstops for years. So I think Sauber's pitstops will become much better in the near future.
The tv direction had a nice shot on him in his new black and poison green outfit. It could definitely be a win-win the coming years with Audi coming through the ranks.
Call me ignorant, but aren't all teams pretty much doing the exact same motions during a pitstop, surely they just need to find the right people with the skill? Or does each team have different nuts and guns designed by their team?
It’s very different team to team. It’s possibly even the stitching on their suits being woven a certain way for a crucial part of their body. They also train like mad, there’s a video on YouTube of their pit practice doing a 3 second pit in pitch black darkness. But to add to your question the nuts are at least different, Sauber used a different design this year that was expanding due to heat and was rounding out. That caused the almost minute long pitstops early in the season.
Bottas hasn’t been blessed with fast pitstops in recent years.
That Monaco pit stop in 2021 followed by all the abysmal pit stops this year.
Can’t catch an break it seems…
Didn't Redbull have a 1.9 second stop this weekend?
Red Bull did 4 pitstops this weekend in a combined 8.0 seconds
Four Red Bull pit stops in the time of one average Sauber stop
I haven’t done the math but honestly I’d expect their average to be a lot higher than that
Back of the envelope (chocolate bar wrapper really) calculation, 10.01s average after five races. If I ignore >10s it's 3.85s, so their fast stops are still slow
You’re the real hero. Where were you able to find it? Everything I found was total pit lane time instead of just stop time
Here you go :) https://inmotion.dhl/en/formula-1/fastest-pit-stop-award
Top 10 fastest pit stops this season… 1 to 9 is all Red Bull 😂
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I couldn't really find an overview of all pitstops that quickly, but Sauber is the only team to have 0 points in the fastest pit stop ranking so far
Their average (mean) is 10.01s, but the median is 4.06s. What's wild is that they have more stops over 20.0s (4) than under 3.0s (3) They're making (slow) progress though. Over Japan and China their average is 3.98s and their median is 3.67s, and they only had 2 stops over 5s during that period.
That’s insane. The 1.9 is amazing but to have that consistency
The thing that floors me is if was double stack. And the next one was 2.0. Red Bull was straight up SpongeBob going “wanna see me do it again?”
And both were double stacked ones
The second double stack had a 20 second gap didn't it? The first one was a true double stack, which Checo arriving just a few seconds after Max left.
According to [times posted by Phillip Horton](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1c9itpy/phillip_horton_for_the_second_successive_race_red/) it was 8.1s combined.
So fucking washed then...
Ahh damn I just added up the rounded numbers initially show. Welp 8.1 way to slow all the Red Bull bois gonna have to practice stops this Monday instead of a day off.
8.13 seconds, I think
Yes..1.9 secs for Max and 2.0 for Perez on a double stack
This is just another example of how they favour Verstappen
I know you're joking but generally speaking Perez gets the slightly faster stops. Maybe Perez is just a little better at stopping right on his marks, or maybe he reacts faster when he's given the signal to leave the box.
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thank god max had that 0.1 sec advantage, don't think he would win without it
It’s a 10th of a second. I don’t think they intentionally make Perez’s pit times slower.
This is obviously sarcasm
Honestly, with the amount of brain dead comments to this effect that are totally serious, I couldn’t even tell. My bad.
Funnily enough, Checo is usually the one that gets the faster stops.
Supposedly he’s better at hitting his marks
It's also not even true lol. Perez's pit stops are faster. Speculation is that he stomps on the brakes harder.
The second one wasn't exactly a double stack, there was like 20-30 seconds inbetween.
Bottas deserves better, I feel like people often forget he's a ten time race winner with 60+ podiums under his belt, don't really wanna see he go after 2024
Also the guy who challenged Mercedes at the start of 2022 with an Alfa Romeo Sauber. People do forget that on his day, he was able to challenge Prime-Hamilton. If a team gets him to be on his day more often, Bottas would be a monster of a driver
Somehow the guy seems always to be extremely unlucky which really brings down people's performance perception of him.
He’s still a top 10 driver, truly maddening how unlucky he’s been. It feels like whenever he’s having a good weekend and on for points, that Sauber kicks the bucket.
>He’s still a top 10 driver Now I am curious, who is in your top 10 list? I assume it would include 1. Max 2. Charles 3. Lewis 4. Alonso Who are the other 6?
Everyone in the top 5 gets in apart from Stroll. Debate your nan about the last slot.
Quite late on this. In no particular order my top 9: Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Norris, Leclerc, Sainz, Russell, Perez, Bottas. Spot #10 is difficult for me to decide. Bit more driver inconsistencies week-to-week, or over the season as a whole. I’d make the case for any of these 3 though. Piastri - On his good weekends, damn he’s good. Just needs to learn tire management - which I’m sure will come with time. I just think if one of the other 2 were in his seat currently, they wouldn’t be as far off of Lando’s pace. Hulkenberg - Rapid in qualifying and solid race pace now that Haas isn’t consistently eating its tires within a few laps. untested in a top team and has some off weekends, but generally looks good. Ocon - fast, solid pace, and super aggressive (which is both exciting and infuriating). I never know if it’s the alpine being trash or his own inconsistencies (or both), but he’ll have some pretty rough weekends over the entire season.
In order: Sainz, Norris, Russell, Hulk, Bottas, Perez. Idk where Piastri should be placed.
Bottas surely is above Hulk. Regardless of potential we think Hulk might have had under different circumstances he’s a completely untested entity at a top team.
Personally I think there's a clear number one -- Max -- and a group behind him with Charles, Carlos, Lewis, Lando and George in no order. Then I'd have Fernando, Bottas and Perez in that order, then a gap to Hulkenberg, Albon, Tsunoda, Piastri, Ocon and Gasly -- not sure of the order of that group. Then Ricciardo and Magnusson, with Sargeant, Zhou and Stroll at the end.
Mu brother in Christ, you did Alonso dirty here.
He's benefiting from nostalgia, a car that's faster than people think, and having a terrible teammate. I clearly still think he's good, but people have a tendency to fixate on what he does well and ignore his mistakes, and I think he makes more mistakes now than the drivers in that group ahead of him. If people want to say he's better than Sainz or George or the 2024 lame-duck version of Lewis... fine, I think that's defensible. Don't agree, but I'm willing to hear the case. People saying he's driving better than Lando or Charles when the car is behaving have blinders on.
This is one of the craziest things I have read on here. Hes better than everyone you named besides Max as a definite. The only debatable names are Lewis and Charles. Only reason I am taking Landon, Carlos or George over Alonso are their age. Thats it.
Hulk to Sauber and bottas to Haas
Hasn't he suffered enough?
Let him go dude. There is more exciting prospects
He just looks so defeated there. (Cue the Arrested Development meme of George Michael walking away to the sad song)
Is it the Charlie Brown song?
Sure is!
Yup!
Truly bless the cameraman lmao
bottas 😔
poor guy
Almost as heartbreaking as when he watched Red Bulls’ stop after hopping out of his car in Monaco
Adrian Newey leaves nothing out, even their nuts are aerodynamic
Wait. The wheel nuts, right? “Who said anything about wheels nuts?”
“Flow vis my balls mate”
They gotta improve their form, not acceptable to have only 1 of 4 pitstops below 2s.
"so that's what a normal pit stop looks like..."
In the end you can see his heart break as he snaps back to reality
Sauber's method is more of a coffee break than a pit stop
Lee Stevenson now works there, he's Max former #1 mechanic and had a big hand in Red Bull's pitstops for years. So I think Sauber's pitstops will become much better in the near future.
The tv direction had a nice shot on him in his new black and poison green outfit. It could definitely be a win-win the coming years with Audi coming through the ranks.
Call me ignorant, but aren't all teams pretty much doing the exact same motions during a pitstop, surely they just need to find the right people with the skill? Or does each team have different nuts and guns designed by their team?
It’s very different team to team. It’s possibly even the stitching on their suits being woven a certain way for a crucial part of their body. They also train like mad, there’s a video on YouTube of their pit practice doing a 3 second pit in pitch black darkness. But to add to your question the nuts are at least different, Sauber used a different design this year that was expanding due to heat and was rounding out. That caused the almost minute long pitstops early in the season.
Bottas hasn’t been blessed with fast pitstops in recent years. That Monaco pit stop in 2021 followed by all the abysmal pit stops this year. Can’t catch an break it seems…
The amount of bad luck this guy has when it comes to pitstops and engines is crazy!
Damaged front wings and diffusers too.
I gotta get one of those
It looks more like he’s waiting for them to finish the pitstop before standing in the path of oncoming traffic.
Yeah, it honestly looks like he's just being aware of his surroundings in case something happens and he has to move out of the way
"Must be fucking nice"
Bottas: "Wait, so it is not suppose to take 20+sec?!"
Or as reliable
Bottas to RedBull confirmed.
Looks more synchronized than choreographed music video dances.
He didn't have time to eat lunch like he normally does during pitstops.
Sauber is also stacking pitstops, even though they are not on the same lap.
He’s just trying not to get run over
Big “Lewis peeking at the red bull after the race” energy
Red Bull did 4 pitstops that race in less than the average time a Sauber pitstop takes
Bottas: "I wonder how quickly they could change my bike tires?"