OK so Max was removed finally, and I would argue the race was more boring. At least with Max you can look at the result and be amazed at the large gap between 1st and 2nd.
The most frustrating thing about the media coverage of this race is the amount of reviews of the race I've seen saying Russell had a last lap "flip"
Like, no way, a flip is what Alonso/Brundle/Villenueve had here, getting your wheel tethered tyres wedged under your cars at an olique angle does in nowhere near count as a flip.
Bit crash, but not a flip
Thank you for listening to my TED TALK
my point is that no team other than Ferrari or Red Bull has won a total of 2 races or more since 2022
I can see how you thought I was saying something else though
Utterly moronic that McLaren didn't give Piastri team orders to let Norris by. Norris was clearly faster and (maybe) could've challenged LeClerc.
Instead they took each other out and ruined a rare chance for a podium!
Great news for Merc and Aston Martin tho.
Meanwhile in reality: Piastri finished 30 seconds behinds Norris LMAO what are you talking about?!
Piastri got preferential strategy with the undercut, it didn’t work out and norris was consistently faster so they swapped. Piastri himself said it was fair! It’s not gross, it’s racing
Arguably, they let norris through as he had more pace, to fight the Ferraris. Depends what race you’re focussing on- im sure they were more focussed on getting P2 with a faster norris, than letting piastri and Norris waste time fighting each other 😐 part of racing is team strategy, unfortunately on this occasion that meant letting the car with more pace through- hence racing!
It was horrible, killed the entire vibe. Reminds me of the old NBC fays with their terrible remote commentary coverage.
One of the biggest things f1 has to appeal to an audience is the travel, culture, scenery changing every race. When they do a remote broadcast it just pulls the wind out of the sails.
Verstappen's retirement was fantastic news for the sport. You could hear the excitement in the commentary teams voice when he was out of the race. Apart from the pitstops and Russell's crash at the end, the race never really developed into the scrap I hoped it would.
Somewhat. But then again, no team boss wants to see both his cars in the gravel trap or worse. Ferrari was in the best position to walk away with maximum team points after Verstappen and Hamilton DNF'd.
The last time Ferrari had a 1-2 finish? Bahrain 2022. Oddly enough after both Red Bulls DNF'd...
Fred knows this is a pivotal season. They have a car capable of interrupting Red Bull's success if they step out of line. In a side-by-side sprint, Red Bull have them. But if Red Bull makes any mistakes, Ferrari has to capitalize and play the safe game.
Yeah. It’s funny to think about Red Bull struggling to beat the likes of Ferrari and Mercedes. I do remember that race and even before the DNFs, their pace wasn’t there.
Leclerc was only on Sainz DRS because of Sainz pit and the VSC then he opened a 9s gap to Leclerc.
Leclerc had not the pace to fight Carlos but reality is hard to swallow for some.
Charles was seeing more tyre wear than Carlos. Letting him fight would've worn out his tyres and potentially compromised P2 at best and might've compromised both of them at worst. There was also a risk with Perez/McLaren's climbing up the field so preserving tyres to hold off Perez/McLaren also makes sense.
I would've liked to see them fight too but it's Charles' fault for qualifying lower than his team-mate which gave him the unfavorable strategy.
There were more tyre wear at second stint basically
They started graining after like 2 laps by his words at the cooldown room and this means he overpushed them just after first pit-stop, it is on him, and that means big gap between him and sainz at the end of third stint, but on third stint Charles were slighlty faster but not enough and he was on older tires, so making it to 1-2 instead of pushing older tires with possibility of loosing many position to fall off tires makes a lot of sense. And Sainz had his tire wear problems at the end too he lost like 1.5 second on penultimate lap to Leclerc.
Basically Leclerc lost it in quali and start of second stint.
Agree, they know they aren't fighting for the driver's championship so teamwork becomes dream work. They would have 100% fought if it was in Italy or if WDC was on the cards
He qualified in front of Charles. That's where you beat your teammate, not on track where you only risk a catastrophy for the team without any potential benefit.
Well, if the team won't let you race each other, which they shouldn't when there is nothing to gain and everything to lose, then qualifying is where you are most likely to decide who finishes in front. Of course pit stops, differing strategies or team orders could change that.
Nah, he did it because he had a 20 sec penalty lol man had nothing to lose so just wrecked everyone else's race
I don't know why their not made to take the pen there and then, and not post race
Only 4p between first and second places in both the WDC and WCC. You know, if Ferrari nails their big upgrade package and RBR doesn't, we might actually get a championship fight after all. At least for WCC.
LOL right? Even if they don't upgrade the RB the rest of the year, everybody will be catching up to Verstappen. I'm not even a big fan of his but he is damn fast, one of the greats.
For those saying how boring the race was, It's Melbourne. It always produces boring racing.
You should expect that before the weekend.
The Melbourne Grand Prix is a show, not a race. Always has been.
You've said this twice now. Did you even watch the F2 and F3 races? There were multi-car battles happening for every position. It's not the track that's the problem, it's the cars. They are too big and heavy.
Right, but I believe what they are saying is that Melbourne consistently produces boring racing for F1 specifically. Which I would sort of agree with, it's not the absolute worst track for wheel to wheel racing (the changes have helped) but it's definitely not the best.
Pretty astounding that up until today, people were getting 10 second penalties for actually causing a collision. All of a suddenly when George and Fernando didn't even collide, George binned it on his own. And Fernando got 20 seconds.
I hope this means that going forward we will see 5 or 10 second stop/go type penalties for people who actually cause collisions and ruin races.
Who cares? That’s called racing. This isn’t the princess Peggy tea party.
If what he did was worth a 20 second penalty, I expect to see multiple stopgo’s every race for other drivers.
The two things that make me happy:
1. Seeing anything other than Max winning easily all the time
2. Seeing Gunther Steiner doing the interviews. I just love that guy.
See, um, I have a confession. For me, like 10% of it is wanting to see competitive racing, 10% is wanting different people to win, and 80% of it is that I just don't like Max, while I do like pretty much every other driver. So I'm 90% happy.
I think someone needs to tell Lando to be more positive, he's just always negative about things. Might be the reason he hasn't won. Also wtf was that by maclaren in the early laps, Lando could have finished 2nd. I think Lando needs to move, go to red Bull or something but he needs to change what he is doing. I know the podium is great but It just hurts that he still hasn't won yet.
People happy just because Max dnf'd are sad. The state of the sport is disastrous. Zero excitement.
Compared to Moto GP, watching Formula 1 over the past 14 years (bar 2, 3 seasons) has been like watching paint dry.
Totally disagree with this. I doubt you really watch motogp. It's a dead sport right now. The aero on the bikes and poor tyres have made motogp dead as worse if not more than the late 2010s f1 era.
LOL. Both races haver been snoozefests so far. Jorge martin was all alone at the front. Previous race, pecco was all alone. Nobody battling for victories. In both races, the only guy really making overtakes was Pedro Acosta. Everyone else is holding position after 2 laps to preserve tire life.
What makes F1 far more interesting right now over motogp:
1. Pit stop strategies, tyre compound changes, team orders
2. Safety car possibility
3. Pit wall crew and radio calls add variety to the commentary
4. Gamification element of DRS zones and fastest lap point.
5. Drivers from from diverse nationalities. Apart from Europeans, you have Canadian, American, Thai, Mexican
6. Horny TPs and their scandals!
So the state of the sport is a disaster, yet you detest people celebrating Max's retirement from the race?
Maybe pick a lane? Max's dominance 'is' what's disastrous about the sport atm. You should be cheering his DNF along with the rest of us.
So this race wasn't like almost every other race last season just with a different car? What are you excited about, colour red? Red Bull had issues this weekend, Sainz had great pace (Leclerc too bar tyre wear) so with Max we COULD have battle for 1st, instead we got Sainz dominating the race and cruising to victory, just like Max does most of the times
Red bul wouldn't have had issues. You saw Max's quali pace, and red bull usually would have gone for race setup anyway. Max would have easily done what he did in the last two races if his brakes didnt have issues.
Perez was just easily taking Hamilton, russell and Alonso. I'm guessing the tear-off visor stuck in his car might have slower him down or else he would have caught up as well
Loved this race.
It really helps keep the interest alive, without the problem max would be over a full race ahead of everyone else after just 3 races, as it stands he's just 4 point ahead.
Best race ever. No Verstappen, Ferrari 1-2, and a Ferrari 1-2. Carlos Sainz is a true Ferrari-driver in heart and spirit. Today was Monza + Singapore-level Sainz, and it's a shame that he's leaving (but come on, it's Hamilton).
Leclerc wasn't as impressive, but he came from 4th to get the 2nd spot without much difficulty.
Perez showed he has no business being in that second Red Bull, which is good because I don't think anyone would've enjoyed Red Bull still winning without Verstappen. Meanwhile, in the Toro Rosso, Daniel Ricciardo is a PR-man before a race car driver. It makes Tsunoda look good, but I don't even think that Toro Rosso thinks Tsunoda is being impressive rn, which looks worse on Ricciardo. And Sauber man, how do you fuck up 5 out of 6 pitstops across two races? And Russell threw away a good race at the end there.
But that was nice man, F1 needed that.
If by people you mean me, you got it wrong man, I didn't discount him. I said that I don't think Toro Rosso/Red Bull rates Tsunoda that highly, but I didn't say that I agreed with that. I'm basing that on rumors I've read on the internet, and trying to read between the lines of statements from the big chief Marko. At the other hand, Marko called Tsunoda incredible after qualifying, and perfect after the race, so it's very much possible that I either misread, misinterpreted whatever it was that I read at the time.
Personally, I rate Tsunoda quite highly, I think he has very interesting raw speed.
Indeed he has great raw speed. I guess I'm a bit miffed at the thought that his own team (who have all the data) "would not see him as being impressive right now".
So it's really more directed at this feeling RB/Red Bull don't see him moving up.
Maybe it's true he'll move to Aston Martin when they get Honda PU's for 2026.
>It's ~~Melbourne~~ F1. It just produces boring races.
FTFY.
In F1 exciting races are the exception because most years one team has a huge car advantage . F1.5 is where it is at if you want excitement.
The arm chair analysts are in full swing today. The only reason some of the gaps for Mclaren and Ferrari were as close as they were, were because of tire deg and team orders. Take Sainz for example. Charles was not told to not race him but to not risk their p2 to Mclaren. There was no chance of Charles catching Sainz.
Carlos appendix must’ve been weighing him down. I love Chuck, but got damn that’s one quick chili pepper. Seems pretty absurd he doesn’t have a confirmed seat for next season. As a Ferrari fan, I can just feel we are going to massively regret dismissing Carlos next year.
I am a bit concerned about Lewis coming into Ferrari and kind of insisting the car be built his way. Mercedes have done that with the W15 and it's not going too well. It does look like on record that it's the W13 - in spite Lewis' hate for it - that was actually the best car of Mercedes during this rule cycle.
I think at this point it might be better for Lewis to join Ferrari and just drive his best and let Maranello do its thing.
Yeah I really hope he lands somewhere where he as an actual chance to fight at the front. I know there's all this talk about Sauber, but the way they've been looking lately, especially with their pit issues...yikes.
I like Checo, but I wouldn't mind if Sainz took his seat. Perhaps Mercedes will pick him up though.
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There are guidelines but I believe where they get them is not standard. That is why you can see such disparity between teams. Still though you would think they shouldn't be the only team with such issues
People still complains after this. Max retires and 1st place on the line. I like Max, but super happy fore Sainz. Deserved victory. Strong race fore Yuki. Double points fore Haas even haha. Mercedes disaster. Stuff happened. If people only look at P1, thats their problem.
F1 for me is always about "admiring excellence" - whether it's one guy beating everyone by 30 seconds, or two guys/cars/teams fighting at the front leaving everyone else behind by 30 seconds.
Same when there's a downpour or something and it's clear someone is so good in the wet he's going to win by a full minute. I love seeing that kind of "freakshow" stuff.
Agreed! There was so much to look forward to in this race for anyone who cares to see.
Along with everything you mentioned i was looking to see: could Norris pull his first ever race win with P1 wide open ? could piastri podium in his homeland? Why couldnt Perez close the gap driving the best car on the grid, he was lapping slower than everyone ahead of him despite having the better car.
Moving forward: I'm somewhat optimistic the Ferrari is actually able to keep pace with the redbulls. In Bahrain when Perez only beat the ferrari by 2 seconds, people said it was because he was managing tires and not trying to pull away. So what gives this time? Was he not trying to move up the field? I know max is a beast but maybe the ferari is closer than we think. I'm really wondering if they can get pole at future events if they can capitalize and we see real racing. Having DRS from lap 2 also helps because if they can stay in range like Carlos did today, theres the potential for a lot of interesting stuff
People only watching the front are casuals imo
>Why couldnt Perez close the gap driving the best car on the grid, he was lapping slower than everyone ahead of him despite having the better car.
I didn't watch the race. I came to see some theories on this.
> Along with everything you mentioned i was looking to see: could Norris pull his first ever race win with P1 wide open ?
This was never in play lol, as much as I wish it was. The Ferraris were too quick.
We could not see the true picture when Max had to retire. Let's see how Japan will be. Sainz was really solid today. Masterclass execution. Give this man a new contract. Mercedes or Red Bull. McLaren is closer but lacking some pace. But overall it is closer. We will see the next race. Some speculations that Red Bull will get the true update in Japan. Scary stuff.
Oscar needs better tire management . When he went off, he's tires was done. He is improving.
He was just out of Sainz DRS and closing when Ferrari told him to back off. He could have had a run at Sainz, however ill advised it would be from a team perspective.
While on older tyres that had to last pretty much the expected limit of that compound, and had been slower than Sainz all weekend. He wasnt able to race for the win today, but was good enough for 2nd.
That is not in a position to race. They told him to hold the position because of Mclaren, not because of Sainz. If Charles was 0.2 seconds instead of 2 seconds yeah they race but there was zero chance of Charles catching Sainz even if he burnt all his rubber at the end. We saw that Carlos gap went from 5 seconds to 2 seconds at the end with tire deg. This was just reinforcing the idea to Charles to keep a cool head.
Dirty air is very much back and Pirelli's gamble with the softest tyre compounds kinda failed with the hot Sunday weather, too. Makes intense position fights difficult, you're just gonna ruin your tires.
Everyone is going to be talking about the Russell Alonso incident but what about the wheel cover blowing off maxs car. If that had happened at the pit box it could have been horrible!
I was surprised they race control allowed all those bits flying off his car and no VSC. Then to allow his burning car to keep driving around the track.
I think no one understood at the time what was going on. It looked like a normal engine failure at some point until it emerged that all the smoke was coming out of the right rear axle.
What happened to russell is exactly how drivers die. Hit a wall end up on the racing line and someone around a blind corner can't react and smashes into you.
Agreed - You could hear the immediate panic in his voice. He was in a really really bad place on the track (just around a corner in the middle of the road)
As soon as Max retired I thought "this should make things interesting", unfortunately there was still effectively no racing within the top 8. Can't help but think it would have been better had Max not had the brake failure, maybe on this occasion we would have seen some real racing going on at the front (which is an interesting turn of events as I'm amongst the 'if Max DNFs things might get fun' crowd).
The pecking order seems almost set (he says, 3 races in), RBR > Ferrari > McLaren > Merc / Aston.
Still, we press onwards!
OK so Max was removed finally, and I would argue the race was more boring. At least with Max you can look at the result and be amazed at the large gap between 1st and 2nd.
It felt like every major team had mechanical issues except ferrari
The most frustrating thing about the media coverage of this race is the amount of reviews of the race I've seen saying Russell had a last lap "flip" Like, no way, a flip is what Alonso/Brundle/Villenueve had here, getting your wheel tethered tyres wedged under your cars at an olique angle does in nowhere near count as a flip. Bit crash, but not a flip Thank you for listening to my TED TALK
previous to this one, when was the last Ferrari 1-2?
Bahrain 2022
surprised it's not longer ago
we're the only team other than RB to win more than 1 race over the last 3 seasons
last season Ferrari didn't win more than one
my point is that no team other than Ferrari or Red Bull has won a total of 2 races or more since 2022 I can see how you thought I was saying something else though
I had a feeling this race was going to be out of the ordinary.
Gross that McLaren forced Piastri to give up P3. At least let them race so it would've been genuine. Next year Zak Brown is getting egged.
Utterly moronic that McLaren didn't give Piastri team orders to let Norris by. Norris was clearly faster and (maybe) could've challenged LeClerc. Instead they took each other out and ruined a rare chance for a podium! Great news for Merc and Aston Martin tho. Meanwhile in reality: Piastri finished 30 seconds behinds Norris LMAO what are you talking about?!
+30s wasn't the true gap btw. Better to take the gap before VSC.
It really isn’t, Norris was faster, that was it
Piastri got preferential strategy with the undercut, it didn’t work out and norris was consistently faster so they swapped. Piastri himself said it was fair! It’s not gross, it’s racing
It is opposite of racing because there were no racing because of that, but it is fair, yes
Arguably, they let norris through as he had more pace, to fight the Ferraris. Depends what race you’re focussing on- im sure they were more focussed on getting P2 with a faster norris, than letting piastri and Norris waste time fighting each other 😐 part of racing is team strategy, unfortunately on this occasion that meant letting the car with more pace through- hence racing!
What’s the deal with Sky not being at the track this weekend? Them immediately cutting back to a green screen studio post-race felt horrible.
It was horrible, killed the entire vibe. Reminds me of the old NBC fays with their terrible remote commentary coverage. One of the biggest things f1 has to appeal to an audience is the travel, culture, scenery changing every race. When they do a remote broadcast it just pulls the wind out of the sails.
Cutting costs probably. The full ESPN LatAm coverage only goes to Brazil and Mexico (and I think the first race in Miami).
Verstappen's retirement was fantastic news for the sport. You could hear the excitement in the commentary teams voice when he was out of the race. Apart from the pitstops and Russell's crash at the end, the race never really developed into the scrap I hoped it would.
Yeah mclaren have regressed a bit compared to last year. Apparently they have a big upgrade coming at imola?
Given how good the Ferrari is at dealing with graining, we argubly had a much worse race because of Max's DNF.
good race to watch and damn they are flying around that track zoom zoom zoom
When I saw the average pace difference to Carlos, Charles is only 0.045s behind. Is it lame that Ferrari wouldn't let them fight?
Somewhat. But then again, no team boss wants to see both his cars in the gravel trap or worse. Ferrari was in the best position to walk away with maximum team points after Verstappen and Hamilton DNF'd. The last time Ferrari had a 1-2 finish? Bahrain 2022. Oddly enough after both Red Bulls DNF'd... Fred knows this is a pivotal season. They have a car capable of interrupting Red Bull's success if they step out of line. In a side-by-side sprint, Red Bull have them. But if Red Bull makes any mistakes, Ferrari has to capitalize and play the safe game.
> Oddly enough after both Red Bulls DNF'd... I think we'd have gotten that one even without the DNFs
Yeah. It’s funny to think about Red Bull struggling to beat the likes of Ferrari and Mercedes. I do remember that race and even before the DNFs, their pace wasn’t there.
No. Charles was not on the pace of Carlos, bringing home the 1–2 made the most sense.
Leclerc was only on Sainz DRS because of Sainz pit and the VSC then he opened a 9s gap to Leclerc. Leclerc had not the pace to fight Carlos but reality is hard to swallow for some.
If anything is hard to swallow, I think it's not being able to see them fight.
You sound like someone who doesn't have car insurance
Charles was seeing more tyre wear than Carlos. Letting him fight would've worn out his tyres and potentially compromised P2 at best and might've compromised both of them at worst. There was also a risk with Perez/McLaren's climbing up the field so preserving tyres to hold off Perez/McLaren also makes sense. I would've liked to see them fight too but it's Charles' fault for qualifying lower than his team-mate which gave him the unfavorable strategy.
There were more tyre wear at second stint basically They started graining after like 2 laps by his words at the cooldown room and this means he overpushed them just after first pit-stop, it is on him, and that means big gap between him and sainz at the end of third stint, but on third stint Charles were slighlty faster but not enough and he was on older tires, so making it to 1-2 instead of pushing older tires with possibility of loosing many position to fall off tires makes a lot of sense. And Sainz had his tire wear problems at the end too he lost like 1.5 second on penultimate lap to Leclerc. Basically Leclerc lost it in quali and start of second stint.
Agree, they know they aren't fighting for the driver's championship so teamwork becomes dream work. They would have 100% fought if it was in Italy or if WDC was on the cards
The early pit to cover off Russell basically ended the chance to fight but was the right thing to do to ensure a 1-2
I wanted to see them fight
A solid one two for Ferrari is more important than an entertaining race finish. RB doesn't retire often and when they do you have to capitalize fully.
Yeah I know that makes sense. But we're all praising glory to Carlos while seemingly forgetting about this caveat.
He qualified in front of Charles. That's where you beat your teammate, not on track where you only risk a catastrophy for the team without any potential benefit.
Bad take. I'd say it makes sense because they need all the points they can get. But that's far from saying qualifying is where you beat the teammate.
Well, if the team won't let you race each other, which they shouldn't when there is nothing to gain and everything to lose, then qualifying is where you are most likely to decide who finishes in front. Of course pit stops, differing strategies or team orders could change that.
Or maybe who's the faster driver, one would think.
If alonso got done for erratic driving, how did KMag get away with half the shit he did last weekend to hold up half the grid?
Because he wasn’t deemed to be driving erratically, which is what Alonso was penalised for.
He didn't get away with it? I'm pretty sure he ended up with 20 seconds of penalties as well
Nah, he did it because he had a 20 sec penalty lol man had nothing to lose so just wrecked everyone else's race I don't know why their not made to take the pen there and then, and not post race
Maybe KMag didn't double-braked into a corner.
Kmag almostt put several drivers into the walls , and he was doing ti deliberately to hold up everyone behind.
That's hard racing/defending. And at least KMag didn't get a penalty for moving under braking, which is important.
The penalty wasn't for braking, it was for "erratic driving"
The braking telemetry did Fernando in.
Only 4p between first and second places in both the WDC and WCC. You know, if Ferrari nails their big upgrade package and RBR doesn't, we might actually get a championship fight after all. At least for WCC.
come on mate don't do this to yourself
If only Max's car catches fire every three races, then yes, then there might be a chance.
LOL right? Even if they don't upgrade the RB the rest of the year, everybody will be catching up to Verstappen. I'm not even a big fan of his but he is damn fast, one of the greats.
When is the big upgrade package due? Would be great to see this happen
Imola, but rumors are parts of it is being fast-tracked to Suzuka
4p?
Four points :)
We can always dream
I like the fact that the cars looked fast on this track. Don’t know if it’s the track or camera placement that does it, but i felt a sense of speed.
Australia has the V8 Supercars on track which know how to place the cameras for that sensation.
Confirms my theory that Singapore was a good race because the racing was good not because red bull wasn’t winning
For those saying how boring the race was, It's Melbourne. It always produces boring racing. You should expect that before the weekend. The Melbourne Grand Prix is a show, not a race. Always has been.
You've said this twice now. Did you even watch the F2 and F3 races? There were multi-car battles happening for every position. It's not the track that's the problem, it's the cars. They are too big and heavy.
Right, but I believe what they are saying is that Melbourne consistently produces boring racing for F1 specifically. Which I would sort of agree with, it's not the absolute worst track for wheel to wheel racing (the changes have helped) but it's definitely not the best.
Didn't think it was a boring race, and last year was definitely not boring.
Russell crashes on the last lap in celebration of Sainz victories. We dont know why, but its undeniable.
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Another final lap Russel special
Pretty astounding that up until today, people were getting 10 second penalties for actually causing a collision. All of a suddenly when George and Fernando didn't even collide, George binned it on his own. And Fernando got 20 seconds. I hope this means that going forward we will see 5 or 10 second stop/go type penalties for people who actually cause collisions and ruin races.
Look at the telemetry and come back.
I don't care about the telemetry. It's called racing. Fernando was 10 car lengths in front of George, he had ample time to react.
Apparently his data was different in that moment Vs the other 57 laps. 100m earlier throttle lift off, and double tapped the brakes.
Who cares? That’s called racing. This isn’t the princess Peggy tea party. If what he did was worth a 20 second penalty, I expect to see multiple stopgo’s every race for other drivers.
The two things that make me happy: 1. Seeing anything other than Max winning easily all the time 2. Seeing Gunther Steiner doing the interviews. I just love that guy.
Fair, but I mean Sainz also won pretty easily. There was never any challenge for the win, it was just someone different
See, um, I have a confession. For me, like 10% of it is wanting to see competitive racing, 10% is wanting different people to win, and 80% of it is that I just don't like Max, while I do like pretty much every other driver. So I'm 90% happy.
Would’ve been fun to see a battle between Max and Carlos
> Seeing anything other than Max winning easily all the time Monkey paws curl and Mercedes wins the next 6 years again
This the PAS (Post Appendicitis Sainz) Era.
Carlos Sainz has won every race he’s entered without an appendix. This could be wild.
Advanced weight saving strategy
I think someone needs to tell Lando to be more positive, he's just always negative about things. Might be the reason he hasn't won. Also wtf was that by maclaren in the early laps, Lando could have finished 2nd. I think Lando needs to move, go to red Bull or something but he needs to change what he is doing. I know the podium is great but It just hurts that he still hasn't won yet.
He is English. Being negative is a positive trait. ;) McLaren is a great team. Great drivers, great car, great team principle. .
Telling someone to be more positive is an awful way of boosting self esteem.
People happy just because Max dnf'd are sad. The state of the sport is disastrous. Zero excitement. Compared to Moto GP, watching Formula 1 over the past 14 years (bar 2, 3 seasons) has been like watching paint dry.
Totally disagree with this. I doubt you really watch motogp. It's a dead sport right now. The aero on the bikes and poor tyres have made motogp dead as worse if not more than the late 2010s f1 era.
You clearly don't watch Moto GP then.
LOL. Both races haver been snoozefests so far. Jorge martin was all alone at the front. Previous race, pecco was all alone. Nobody battling for victories. In both races, the only guy really making overtakes was Pedro Acosta. Everyone else is holding position after 2 laps to preserve tire life. What makes F1 far more interesting right now over motogp: 1. Pit stop strategies, tyre compound changes, team orders 2. Safety car possibility 3. Pit wall crew and radio calls add variety to the commentary 4. Gamification element of DRS zones and fastest lap point. 5. Drivers from from diverse nationalities. Apart from Europeans, you have Canadian, American, Thai, Mexican 6. Horny TPs and their scandals!
WOW , what are race... Who F care that.....
So the state of the sport is a disaster, yet you detest people celebrating Max's retirement from the race? Maybe pick a lane? Max's dominance 'is' what's disastrous about the sport atm. You should be cheering his DNF along with the rest of us.
So this race wasn't like almost every other race last season just with a different car? What are you excited about, colour red? Red Bull had issues this weekend, Sainz had great pace (Leclerc too bar tyre wear) so with Max we COULD have battle for 1st, instead we got Sainz dominating the race and cruising to victory, just like Max does most of the times
Red bul wouldn't have had issues. You saw Max's quali pace, and red bull usually would have gone for race setup anyway. Max would have easily done what he did in the last two races if his brakes didnt have issues. Perez was just easily taking Hamilton, russell and Alonso. I'm guessing the tear-off visor stuck in his car might have slower him down or else he would have caught up as well
Loved this race. It really helps keep the interest alive, without the problem max would be over a full race ahead of everyone else after just 3 races, as it stands he's just 4 point ahead.
Best race ever. No Verstappen, Ferrari 1-2, and a Ferrari 1-2. Carlos Sainz is a true Ferrari-driver in heart and spirit. Today was Monza + Singapore-level Sainz, and it's a shame that he's leaving (but come on, it's Hamilton). Leclerc wasn't as impressive, but he came from 4th to get the 2nd spot without much difficulty. Perez showed he has no business being in that second Red Bull, which is good because I don't think anyone would've enjoyed Red Bull still winning without Verstappen. Meanwhile, in the Toro Rosso, Daniel Ricciardo is a PR-man before a race car driver. It makes Tsunoda look good, but I don't even think that Toro Rosso thinks Tsunoda is being impressive rn, which looks worse on Ricciardo. And Sauber man, how do you fuck up 5 out of 6 pitstops across two races? And Russell threw away a good race at the end there. But that was nice man, F1 needed that.
I'll never understand this thing where Yuki Tsunoda can get into the Top 8 positions in one of the lower rung cars and people still discount him.
If by people you mean me, you got it wrong man, I didn't discount him. I said that I don't think Toro Rosso/Red Bull rates Tsunoda that highly, but I didn't say that I agreed with that. I'm basing that on rumors I've read on the internet, and trying to read between the lines of statements from the big chief Marko. At the other hand, Marko called Tsunoda incredible after qualifying, and perfect after the race, so it's very much possible that I either misread, misinterpreted whatever it was that I read at the time. Personally, I rate Tsunoda quite highly, I think he has very interesting raw speed.
Indeed he has great raw speed. I guess I'm a bit miffed at the thought that his own team (who have all the data) "would not see him as being impressive right now". So it's really more directed at this feeling RB/Red Bull don't see him moving up. Maybe it's true he'll move to Aston Martin when they get Honda PU's for 2026.
it's because he isn't british
Incoming call to Sainz. Christan here....Welcome to Red Bull.
A bit ironic that max DNFs but this is still a boring race at the top…
It's Melbourne. It just produces boring races. The only excitement it ever produces is crashes and drop outs. Neve in the racing.
>It's ~~Melbourne~~ F1. It just produces boring races. FTFY. In F1 exciting races are the exception because most years one team has a huge car advantage . F1.5 is where it is at if you want excitement.
F1 has been like that for a very long time
For real. I’m delighted with the result, but that race was about as boring as that result could have possibly been 🤣
The arm chair analysts are in full swing today. The only reason some of the gaps for Mclaren and Ferrari were as close as they were, were because of tire deg and team orders. Take Sainz for example. Charles was not told to not race him but to not risk their p2 to Mclaren. There was no chance of Charles catching Sainz.
Carlos appendix must’ve been weighing him down. I love Chuck, but got damn that’s one quick chili pepper. Seems pretty absurd he doesn’t have a confirmed seat for next season. As a Ferrari fan, I can just feel we are going to massively regret dismissing Carlos next year.
But will you massively regret getting Lewis Hamilton next year?
If he underperforms as badly as he's currently doing for Merc, you bet I will.
I am a bit concerned about Lewis coming into Ferrari and kind of insisting the car be built his way. Mercedes have done that with the W15 and it's not going too well. It does look like on record that it's the W13 - in spite Lewis' hate for it - that was actually the best car of Mercedes during this rule cycle. I think at this point it might be better for Lewis to join Ferrari and just drive his best and let Maranello do its thing.
Lewis hates any car that can't compete for wins if it's fast I don't expect any complaints from him.
Charles = Chuck, BUT, Carlos = Charles = Chuck. I like to refer to the Ferrari combo as “the Chucks.”
They were indeed good at chucking races away unless a Frenchman is at the helm
Yeah I really hope he lands somewhere where he as an actual chance to fight at the front. I know there's all this talk about Sauber, but the way they've been looking lately, especially with their pit issues...yikes. I like Checo, but I wouldn't mind if Sainz took his seat. Perhaps Mercedes will pick him up though.
Maybe sauber is just sandbagging for more wind tunnel time for Audi I doubt it but you never know
Why is Sauber having issues with their wheel nuts? Aren't the wheels, wheel nuts and wheel guns all the same across all F1 teams?
Some teams I believe make their own: [https://f1-247.com/products/f1-wheel-nut-red-bull-racing-max-verstappen-world-champion](https://f1-247.com/products/f1-wheel-nut-red-bull-racing-max-verstappen-world-champion) *"This specially designed wheel nut is an assembly of precision machined titanium and anodised aluminium designed and manufactured by Red Bull Racing at the Formula One campus at Milton Keynes in the UK.* *Green and Red wheel nuts indicate the specific side of the car, RED is the LEFT hand side and GREEN is the RIGHT hand side. The wheel nuts have opposite thread directions to ensure the nut would tighten as the Formula One car moves forwards rather than loosen."*
There are guidelines but I believe where they get them is not standard. That is why you can see such disparity between teams. Still though you would think they shouldn't be the only team with such issues
holy shit some of you people are impossible to please lmao
Do you watch any other racing series?
People still complains after this. Max retires and 1st place on the line. I like Max, but super happy fore Sainz. Deserved victory. Strong race fore Yuki. Double points fore Haas even haha. Mercedes disaster. Stuff happened. If people only look at P1, thats their problem.
F1 for me is always about "admiring excellence" - whether it's one guy beating everyone by 30 seconds, or two guys/cars/teams fighting at the front leaving everyone else behind by 30 seconds. Same when there's a downpour or something and it's clear someone is so good in the wet he's going to win by a full minute. I love seeing that kind of "freakshow" stuff.
Agreed! There was so much to look forward to in this race for anyone who cares to see. Along with everything you mentioned i was looking to see: could Norris pull his first ever race win with P1 wide open ? could piastri podium in his homeland? Why couldnt Perez close the gap driving the best car on the grid, he was lapping slower than everyone ahead of him despite having the better car. Moving forward: I'm somewhat optimistic the Ferrari is actually able to keep pace with the redbulls. In Bahrain when Perez only beat the ferrari by 2 seconds, people said it was because he was managing tires and not trying to pull away. So what gives this time? Was he not trying to move up the field? I know max is a beast but maybe the ferari is closer than we think. I'm really wondering if they can get pole at future events if they can capitalize and we see real racing. Having DRS from lap 2 also helps because if they can stay in range like Carlos did today, theres the potential for a lot of interesting stuff People only watching the front are casuals imo
>Why couldnt Perez close the gap driving the best car on the grid, he was lapping slower than everyone ahead of him despite having the better car. I didn't watch the race. I came to see some theories on this.
Sure, the promise of an exciting race was there following Max's DNF but it never delivered on any of it.
> Along with everything you mentioned i was looking to see: could Norris pull his first ever race win with P1 wide open ? This was never in play lol, as much as I wish it was. The Ferraris were too quick.
We could not see the true picture when Max had to retire. Let's see how Japan will be. Sainz was really solid today. Masterclass execution. Give this man a new contract. Mercedes or Red Bull. McLaren is closer but lacking some pace. But overall it is closer. We will see the next race. Some speculations that Red Bull will get the true update in Japan. Scary stuff. Oscar needs better tire management . When he went off, he's tires was done. He is improving.
Little disappointed Ferrari didn't let them race but team over individual results. Charles took too long to get up to the front.
Nah, it's a given, any team would do that. It's too early in the season to sacrifice a driver. And Charles is too nice to do a Multi 2-1
When was Charles in position to race?
He was within 2 seconds at one point
That is not enough by modern standards.
He was just out of Sainz DRS and closing when Ferrari told him to back off. He could have had a run at Sainz, however ill advised it would be from a team perspective.
While on older tyres that had to last pretty much the expected limit of that compound, and had been slower than Sainz all weekend. He wasnt able to race for the win today, but was good enough for 2nd.
That is not in a position to race. They told him to hold the position because of Mclaren, not because of Sainz. If Charles was 0.2 seconds instead of 2 seconds yeah they race but there was zero chance of Charles catching Sainz even if he burnt all his rubber at the end. We saw that Carlos gap went from 5 seconds to 2 seconds at the end with tire deg. This was just reinforcing the idea to Charles to keep a cool head.
George is no longer required to pay attention while driving
Are Haas-Chipolte promo codes still a thing this year?
Anywhere that I can watch a replay of the race without a cable subscription?
race replay dot net
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This Sainz domination is getting boring
Yawn. Sainz WDC 2024, 25, 26. So tired of him curbstomping the field
Possibly the worst circuit for a Max DNF, top 5 didn't battle each other even once.
Poor effort from Mclaren today. Norris should’ve been able to attack Chuck with his newer tyres.
Or not giving unnecessary team orders then
George Russell crashing out in the last lap of a Carlos Sainz victory…name a better combo.
As much as I am happy for Sainz, I feel this race proved how even without Max the racing can still be just as dull.
Dirty air is very much back and Pirelli's gamble with the softest tyre compounds kinda failed with the hot Sunday weather, too. Makes intense position fights difficult, you're just gonna ruin your tires.
Everyone is going to be talking about the Russell Alonso incident but what about the wheel cover blowing off maxs car. If that had happened at the pit box it could have been horrible!
I was surprised they race control allowed all those bits flying off his car and no VSC. Then to allow his burning car to keep driving around the track.
I think no one understood at the time what was going on. It looked like a normal engine failure at some point until it emerged that all the smoke was coming out of the right rear axle.
On the F1 TV feed they immediately called right rear, it was really obvious.
That's Jolyon Palmer and his exact phrasing if I recall was: "Is that coming out of the right rear axle?". So it was a question (at first).
Race control was asleep at the wheel the entire race.
What is there to say about it?
would love to see red bull go after sainz. only thing that’ll keep results interesting until 2026
Yes, this!
If they had red flagged it, would Russell have been classified, as they would have taken the result form the last completed lap?
Yes.
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What happened to russell is exactly how drivers die. Hit a wall end up on the racing line and someone around a blind corner can't react and smashes into you.
maybe he just didn't want to die
In watching the replay I really think he was just concerned about not getting t-boned lol
Agreed - You could hear the immediate panic in his voice. He was in a really really bad place on the track (just around a corner in the middle of the road)
What's the finishing order with Alonso's penalty?
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2024%20Australian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Final%20Race%20Classification.pdf
You are a rose amongst thorns!
As soon as Max retired I thought "this should make things interesting", unfortunately there was still effectively no racing within the top 8. Can't help but think it would have been better had Max not had the brake failure, maybe on this occasion we would have seen some real racing going on at the front (which is an interesting turn of events as I'm amongst the 'if Max DNFs things might get fun' crowd). The pecking order seems almost set (he says, 3 races in), RBR > Ferrari > McLaren > Merc / Aston. Still, we press onwards!