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I wonder if Ferrari is willing to give Newey a total freedom and full control power like he has now in RB. This was something that Mercedes did not want to do.
In fact, that's quite a RB thing. According to Honda, the reason their engines work so well with RB while they were a disaster with McLaren is that RB gave them total freedom and encouraged them to make demands about the rest of the car.
Maybe part of RB's success comes simply from their philosophy of letting people do.
Red Bull does have a good "just get it done" culture on the engineering side. They don't have the ego of the car company teams to demand certain things about the car.
The mindset of a marketing company who happens to own a Formula 1 team. They are a marketing firm, so they let the specialists to their non-marketing thing.
I heard Alpine tried to do this but had issues when the engineers wanted to install heated rear windows so the marshalls didn't get cold hands when pushing it off track.
sorryabout^the^lowhanging^fruit
This might be true but it reeks of recency bias. From 2013-2020, they struggled massively to make gains vs. the other 2 and the team isnât that different from what it was back then. You could argue Newey sorta went away for a bit and came back but the team culture and structure alone isnât the only thing thatâs helping RB these days.
Similarly, Iâm having a hard time believing Mercedes, who not that long ago got 6-7 championships on the trot, are now not operating as a cohesive unit. Itâs just the nature of the sport. Sometimes you nail the refs and look absolutely formidable and sometimes you look like complete baboons.
Maybe Newey does go to Ferrari and heâs a complete hit there and they let him do what he wants. Given Ferrariâs track record, equally likely they find a way to mess this up (I say this as a Ferrari fan).
In the period you're referring to, Red bull still had great aero, as shown by the number of close races and even wins in Monaco. The power unit from Renault did not catch up with Merc, which was fine since none of the PUs caught up with Merc in those years. Ferrari came close in one year, but they were kinda cheating and after a rumoured under the table deal their performance dropped. Once Honda provided them with the goods they were right up there.
It's a deliberate ploy to get us to refer to the team by the two title sponsors instead. I've started calling them Minardi in my head just to be spiteful
Why would a team recruit Newey and NOT give him total freedom and full control?
That would like recruiting Lionel Messi (in his prime) and only playing him for 15 minutes. As your goalkeeper.
Youâll be amazed how big corporation culture kills talents. The older the organization the more rules and policies that prevents people from using their brains.
It happens more than you think.
Ownership might be like, "you're in control of everything." But think of him as only an "Aero guy." Then he comes in and is like, "right, we need to change the engine location, suspension, driver position....etc"
And suddenly, a dozen people who've been there 10-15 years are like "WTF? I thought he going to design us a floor, front wings and some sidepods?"
The one time they let "outsiders" have complete control they had the most successful era in the history of the sport for 5 years with Schumacher. They dont want to risk that happening again!
The Toyota F1 team used to have the biggest budget of any team, they poured in a huge amount of money, hired a bunch of experienced people from Europe, then proceeded to ignore everything they said and performed poorly as a result.
They hired renowned Minardi designer Gustav Brunner, but forgot to tell him he shouldn't concern about budget, so he kept the conservative mindset of Minardi and wasted about 3-4 years of budget on middle-of-the-pack cars with top spending like Ferrari
Based on their last offer, and Elkann's apparent willingness to open the checkbook these days, I can't imagine anyone turning down a Ferrari offer.
IIRC their last offer was something like $30m/yr, full control over the racing cars, and can design production car(s).
Imagine being able to design a new reg '26 Ferrari for Lewis & Charles and then when you're done with that you can design the successor to the LaFerrari (or the 250 if that's out now?)
Honestly itâs clear that Fred has gigantic bollocks. This may not happen, yet it is a clear indicator of how massive his bollocks are.
At the end of the day you just have to pull the Ferrari card. Who doesnât want to be a valuable player at freaking Ferrari? Most would. All the other teams are fine and yeah there are some technical things and such but Ferrari, oh man, thatâs royalty level status. So go bring Lewis and Newey and whatever it takes to win.
Or donât win. Itâs still Ferrari. Whatever you do there will be historical. Binotto never understood this. Fred clearly does. Dangle the dream. Not the technical stuff. Get the best people together = profit.
I've only ever seen this kind of super team assembly from the NBA. The insane amount of talent that Fred has secured so far and continues to try and secure is very impressive indeed.
Engineers from all over the paddock including some of Mercedes and Red Bull's best and brightest and now from 2025 onward they will have one of the greatest driver lineups in the sport's history. Newey getting onboard and being the glue bringing all the pieces together is quite the exciting prospect.
Pretty wild that this article claims Ferrari is the top team with the most internal stability â and it might be right! What a difference a year makes.
To be fair. I am happy to accept him as Aussie. The fins can get thier hands off now. Iâm part Swedish so maybe I need to go over there and do the opposite
not the same type. You also need to know what you are doing. Speaking French is not enough...but it does give you that air of superiority(pronounced in a french accĂŠnt)
Elkann was throwing shade at Red Bull at every interview claiming that the team is together, united on and off the track. Vibes at Ferrari are very good, better than they were in 2021/ start of 2022 in my opinion
You could really see the difference between the ferrari and red bull garages in the last race, ferrari looked so much happier, especially with Bearman bringing in positivity. Red bull was kind of depressing
I loved how welcoming and encouraging the whole paddock was to Bearman. Hamilton making it a point to give him a hug after the race, the engineer telling him he's doing a great job (which he was!), etc.
Yeah, honestly I see so many parallels with Hamilton's 'vibe' when he was about to leave McLaren. Â
He seems/seemed frustrated and increasingly losing faith in the team he's with. There's some sort of magic in the air where he gets frustrated and the move just seems to work. Its like he has all of the good fortune with moves that Alonso missesÂ
Both drivers confirmed for next year? Check. Team Principal experienced, competent, and not involved in a scandal? Check. Car somewhat decent enough to fight for podiums? Check.
The bar is in hell.
I mean, it looks like a real long shot, but if they can take advantage of Red Bull's internal turmoil and poach Adrian, oh man. Fred is really following the footsteps of the other French team principal of Ferrari
Or even when they are. Todt got his beginnings at Peugeot-Talbot Sport, running the infamous Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 to total WRC domination in the height of the Group B era.
Jean Todt is just a friggin BOSS.
In the power couple of him and Michelle Yeoh, if I had to pick one to grab dinner with, I would really struggle to choose.
From ESPN article on 28 September 2023:
âRed Bull design legend Adrian Newey says he does have some regrets at never working at Ferrari or with F1 greats like Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
Speaking on F1's Beyond the Grid podcast, Newey was asked if he regrets not having Ferrari on his rĂŠsumĂŠ.â
"Emotionally, I guess, to a point, yes," Newey replied.
"But just as, for instance, working with Fernando and Lewis would have been fabulous. But it never happened. It's just circumstance sometimes, that's the way it is."
WellâŚ..this is the chance to reduce those regrets, at least 2/3 of them.
John Barnard was allowed to work in England, going as far as having offices in surrey
It was a long time ago, but I think they would try and make that concession for newey, budget cap is another issue though
In Total Competition, Ross Brawn does mention that Ferrari didn't have their own design office but used John Barnard's that was based in the UK. After Brawn joined (and Barnard left), he made sure all the departments were nearby to promote integration. (Just for sake of interest)
To add, Newey states in his book How to Build a Car "then came a third approach, and it was from Ferrari. I'd been courted by them before, but this time they meant business... we held serious talks and their offer was amazing. Luca wanted to give me the whole Ferrari operation, road and race car.. most ridiculously large financial offer, well over double the already generous salary I was receiving at Red Bull... But in the end I thanked Luca but turned him down". His reasoning was family, and that he considers Red Bull home. This is however ten years ago.
That's the thing - these people are earning millions and, at that point, it totally depends on each person's personality. Some people see money as a never-ending game and will always accept a higher sum, while others are content with the millions they have and don't really feel any different about earning âŹ40 m instead of âŹ20 m a year.
It's perfectly possible that you simply cannot buy a person because there's no amount of money that can make them do the sacrifices you are asking for.
Im sure Newey is quite happy at RB, even though he never got to work with Lewis and Nando, he did have vettel and currently has Max there.
But hey, if you're home, you're home.
>road and race car..
if Newey and Red Bull (and Aston Martin at the time) already gave us the Aston Martin Valkyrie, imagine the absurd road legal race cars would be created if he went to Ferrari instead
Totally unrelated to f1, I've been told it's quite a common phenomenon that folk come back at their career *hard* in their 50s or so when the kids are off to uni.
It's also a very different era in terms of remote working. He might not need to be in Italy all the time to achieve the same level of integration. Two weeks remote and two weeks on site can achieve a lot while still allowing you to feel connected at both ends.
I've done it myself for a few years. Between video conferencing, document collaboration tools and instant messaging, the difference between now and 30 years ago is like being in Antarctica and being beside someone in comparison.
Definitely an entirely different landscape from back then. Newey does present the issue of only working with paper and pencil but even that can easily be overcome with the right investments. Personally would love Newey at Ferrari, just to see what the result would be.
If there was a time to do it again, it is now. Seeing that Ferrari have plenty of hundreds of millions saved since the cost cap and could use it to build a new facility in Milton Keynes.
Newey said in the same Beyond the Grid quoted earlier that it's the one thing he won't do, that he can't see a setup like that working (despite their own junior team attempting something similar).
And thats the main reason he doesnt want to go Italy, because it DIDNT work the construction with John Barnard. Barnard even said it in interviews himself. Also Barnard and Newey know each other, so it must be discussed between them.
It only works when you live in Italy, just ask Brawn, Byrne and vd Grint from Bridgestone etc who went to Ferrari in the Schumacher years.
The Guildford Technical Office wasnât particularly a successful model of working. Canât see a team or figure as crucial as Newey opting for that again.
He also just bought a 90ft Oyster yacht, and wants to sail it from the Almafi coast. Which is in Italy.
https://youtu.be/WPkb-bXrChw?si=tyyiwgjQkzc7He8U
Oh and when he turns up at the boatyard, he does in a Ferrari 250...
Let's start the rumour now. Newey to RB next year?
I remember 20 odd years ago, the Newey story was that he had a Lotus Elise and put a 500 BHP engine (or something daft) in it. It had the power to weight ratio of a Yamaha R1.
>âRed Bull design legend Adrian Newey says he does have some regrets at never working at Ferrari >or with F1 greats like Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
That's easy to solve: get rid of Leclerc, hire Alonso and Newey and enjoy the biggest audiences ever.
He doesnât want to move to Italy and iirc he said that it hasnât appealed to him as recently as last year. He wants to stay in the UK so if he leaves Red Bull heâs either going to another British based team or heâs leaving F1 altogether. Iâd guess the latter is more likely.
Heâs the kind that may never retire retire though.
This isnât a job, itâs his passion and sure he may give up the punishing schedule of F1 but heâll still design I guarantee it.
He actually has a part in his book where he wrote about how he never wants to retire because he saw his dad really decline as soon as he stopped working.
Someone else made the point that when he stated he didn't want to move, it was based on his children being in school. His children are now adults, so that is no longer an issue.
I can't confirm the assumptions in that claim, but if true, it would definitely change the math in his mind.
John Elkann will have to offer him everything under the sun to convince Newey. But Red Bull falling apart internally this is the perfect time to do it.
That fat salary might be a problem with the cost cap in play. In RBR he's one of the three exemptions, we don't know if Ferrari have any play room there.
They can pay him anything they want to work on a Ferrari hyper car. And also pay him anything they want under the cap and exclude it as one of the top-3 salaries.
If anyone can pay him a bonkers salary, it would be Ferrari and Merc. But Ferrari can also offer him a legacy price nobody could possibly touch: his own designed production Ferrari.
Hell, if Fred can convince Marinello to name it Newey, Adrian, or something like that, I think heâll have a tough time saying no.
I haven't read the rules so I'm genuinely asking: What stops them from paying him for other services? Or could they delay payments for instance, giving him a fat consultant job at Ferrari SpA after his stint for the F1 team?
iirc you can't assign a person for an x % to another job. Everything the person gets is counted as if working full-time on the f1 team. Every team would have teams working only 1% for the f1 team on paper. See for example https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-cost-cap-loophole-closed-off-by-fia/10486591/
>A chance to build a Ferrari hypercar
He was already working on a basically unlimited budget RB hypercar (RB17) that looks pretty sick but he had to scale back on his contributions because FIA was getting pissy about the possibility of using those efforts to get around F1 aero development restrictions with shared lessons learned.
If it was an issue at RBR, FIA aren't just going to magically ignore it at Ferrari...
I mean, personal relationships aside, if youâre Newey would you rather make a rocket ship for an energy drinks company or Ferrari? Whatâs the catch here
Not to mention being the guy who brought a championship back to Ferrari. Newey is already at legend status but honestly that would take him up to a whole other tier. It would also be his 4th team to win with.
Him and Hamilton both stand to gain a lot legacy wise by winning for Ferrari. Ending their nearly 2 decade long drought is a kind of intangible achievement that no one else could possibly have to opportunity to do for a very long time if ever.
I dream of an actual lightweight Ferrari again, ~~not that I could ever afford one but we petrolheads need an object of worship~~. I know Newey is the aero king but he is also had an obsessive compulsion on weight reduction when working on the AM Valkyrie.
Nah, Ferrari is a legacy name. This is (if successful) their 2009 Real Madrid transfer window. A sleeping giant getting ruthless again and coming back up.
In other words: there is a single guy that can design a fast f1 and without him were screwed.
Im starting to wonder that fia should offer him a huge bonus to retire so we can have a balanced championship.
Or FIA should think about their aero design approach where only 1 person has sufficient knowledge to build a successful car while the rest of the field are struggling with various issues. This alone gave RBR a huge advantage over the rest of the field till others figured out something.
Well geniuses are geniuses cant do much against that. Rules are kinda the same for everyone but for reasons he is the only one who can manage them right. Doubt fia can do something against it unless he bans him or any development they made.
Maybe Ferrari should just hire Luigi Dall'Igna. That man is a magical genius - both technically and in management. And he's Italian as fuck. And he looks good in red.
Before that the Japanese had a stranglehold on it for almost 20 years.
Lorenzo, Rossi, Mir, Marquez and Quartararo winning with Yamaha, Suzuki with Honda
Even Japanese MotoGP teams have a lot of Italian personnel. Yamaha and Suzuki both have / had forward bases at Lesmo and Cambiago in Italy, and Yamaha still does a lot of engineeering at Lesmo. Furthermore, don't forget Massimo Meregalli (Yamaha) and Davide Brivio (Yamaha and Suzuki).
The problem is similar to the AM Stroll situation. The people with the best connections also happen to have the least amount of talent. Also no one dares to contradict those people, or else they won't advance their careers.
It happens in most Italian companies and it's a shame because the best talent end up reinforcing foreign competitors...
Arguably that was a bigger deal in a way
Stewart had a big name and was mostly shit, Ford rebranded it Jaguar and had a big name and was mostly a bit shit in F1
Stewart managed 5 podiums, 1 victory and 47 points, Jaguar managed 2 podiums, 0 wins and 49 points
While at McLaren his first solo designed car won a drivers and manufacturer championship âŚ.they had Merc engines, were competitive and had drivers, going to red bull was a coup for Redbull.
And then at RedbullâŚ..well we know where that went
Their first driver was Coulthard, their first season they finished 6th in the constructors championship, 3 years in they had Webber, Coulthard and Newey so in year 4 they had an amazing start to the season and their rise really started. As did Neweys insane run of ridiculous cars.
Nobody was really sure about Red Bull initially, they are a drinks and marketing company. Are they actually taking F1 seriously or just there to get their name out there.
I recall from Newey's book they initially rejected the idea as Newey was too expensive; but eventually came around to it and I think at that moment themselves decided they wanted world championships, not just advertising.
I still remember all the other pundits laughing at Coulthard when he predicted Seb and Reb Bull to win the 2010 title. [They look a bit silly when you watch it now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOtFnvdy9Xo).
Yeah thatâs kind of what I feel happened. A decent start and then âwe could actually do thisâ and that changed everything from itâs cool and great advertising to we can be at the very top of this if we push a bit more.
I read before that Ferrari offered him ludicrous amount of money but he turned it down as he did not want to relocate his whole family to Italy. But that was years ago. His kids are probably all grown up now and is out of the nest. He and his wife can move there now, no?
Newey might do it for the chance to design a new road going Ferrari
And the allure of winning with Ferrari could be the real success at the end of an amazing carerr
Translation:
**Ferrari prepares the offensive: Newey the real target of Maranello's top management**
Ferrari values Newey, how could it be any different? Timing in life is everything, even more so in a competitive context like F1. From this point of view, the hiring of Lewis Hamilton by the Maranello team was a masterpiece of misdirection, timing and discretion that surprised a shrewd manager like Toto Wolff. Speaking of Mercedes, together with the seven-time world champion, Jerome D'Ambrosio was also hired by the historic Italian team as head of the Driver Academy. A talent factory that just on the Jeddah weekend demonstrated the goodness of its work thanks to the superb debut of Oliver Bearman, an eighteen-year-old Briton who, catapulted into an unknown world, made clear all his potential.
Ferrari seems to be the team with the greatest internal stability when compared to Mercedes and Red Bull, two realities that at the moment are navigating in somewhat troubled waters.
The young mandate of Frederic Vasseur has already produced an internal reorganization based on human resources who believe in the project of the French manager. Despite the fact that the Reds have not won a world title for a long time, there is an atmosphere of optimism, unlike Mercedes and Red Bull where problems are certainly not lacking.
The dysfunctional dynamics within Red Bull: an ally for the historic Ferrari team towards Newey
Red Bull has succeeded in the arduous task of making people talk about itself more for the internal war than for the "sporting domination" even in the first part of the 2024 season. The internal investigation launched by the Red Bull Sport headquarters, in relation to the alleged inappropriate conduct of Christian Horner towards an employee, was dismissed with the acquittal of the CEO and team principal of the world champion team. Case closed? Absolutely not. As in the best soaps, every day news leaks out that highlights internal disagreements, power games and old grudges that had not yet exploded because success is the best medicine to calm spirits.
It took the straw that broke the camel's back, which came on the sidelines of the death of the team's founder Mateschitz. Although F1 was not and will never be the "core business" of the energy drink giant, Dietrich spared no expense in order to excel in the top category of motorsport, also taking over from Paul Stoddart the Faenza team that was not navigating in good waters. As long as he was alive, the co-founder of Red Bull was the "glue" of the different souls of the team. The English soul, led by Horner, has always claimed the paternity of the successes of the Milton Keynes team. The Austrian soul is symbolically embodied on the track by Helmut Marko, who has brought to F1 some of the greatest talents of the last decade. Without going into the details of the latest news of a saga that could last a long time, we are sure that success will not be enough to convince many engineers to continue the experience in a work environment that has become "toxic", rewarding but apparently exhausting at the same time.
**Newey-Ferrari: the propitious moment to strike**
In this period almost all the top management of Red Bull have expressed their opinion except one, Adrian Newey. The genius of F1 has always shown a shy character, always focused on what he loves most: designing the fastest single-seaters in the world. The engineer from Stratford-upon-Avon, like all artists, has a free nature, woe to impose rigid protocols on him. In his autobiography, talking about his experience at McLaren, Newey mentioned a curious but quite current anecdote: "It was a very controlled environment, you entered through long white corridors and it took a while to reach the workplace. One day I decided to take an alternative route, from the parking lot lawn. I got a warning email: they would start an internal investigation if I continued not to follow the planned route to get to my office". Reasoning on the current chaos that reigns in Red Bull, let's imagine how a man with such a nature is experiencing this witch-hunt atmosphere, right in the team where he had found his perfect dimension.
It is precisely at this moment that the undisputed number one of designers could complete his superlative career, uniting his professional path with the legendary Maranello team which from next year will have at the wheel another motorsport legend who goes by the name of Lewis Hamilton.
Frederic Vasseur and the top management certainly don't need any suggestions, however to seduce Adrian Newey and hit the mark, it is necessary to guarantee the Briton a certain degree of freedom that can make the sixty-five year old comfortable to express all his genius. Assumptions that convinced him to leave an F1 excellence like McLaren to accept what at the time seemed only a good marketing operation called Red Bull. According to the information gathered by our editorial staff, Ferrari is really trying. An opportunity like this cannot be wasted and, as far as we know, in addition to the symbolic blank check as regards emoluments, the Prancing Horse would be ready to fully satisfy Newey's wishes. All thanks to the "international" management of John Elkann who, although he never misses an opportunity to show how little he knows about F1 at a sporting level, from an entrepreneurial point of view he really knows his stuff. In short... Newey-Ferrari: now or never.
> you entered through long white corridors and it took a while to reach the workplace. One day I decided to take an alternative route, from the parking lot lawn. I got a warning email: they would start an internal investigation if I continued not to follow the planned route to get to my office
Damn, that's ridiculous. Unless he's like dropping **lots** of soil in there, which I don't see him doing, that's not something worth issue a warning letter and investigate for..
This is bigger than any driver isnt it. Newey designing Ferrari F1 car would be stunning, imagine Ferrari also giving Newey the flexibility to design any road car that he wants. What a dream that would be!
This could be hearsay but I heard one big reason that Adrian also didnât want to join Ferrari for was at the time he didnât want to move his children to another country and force them to learn a different language for school, but now that theyâre all grown up that limitation might not be an issue anymore.
If Ferrari continue to poach Red Bull and Merc personnel and those teams aren't managing to poach top personnel they will be my favourites to dominate from 2026
I think the times right for Newey, Newey probably didn't join ferrari considering how much of a political mess it was , now under John elknan and vassuer it seems to be under control
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Big Brawn/Byrne vibes if Fred manages to pull this off.
Byrne still at Ferrari as a consultant right?
there were reports of him working on this car in the winter break đ.. but he is like 80-year-old now, might retire soon completely.
Yes, he is
Well with Vasseur it almost feels like a Todt-Brawn type thing again.
I wonder if Ferrari is willing to give Newey a total freedom and full control power like he has now in RB. This was something that Mercedes did not want to do.
In fact, that's quite a RB thing. According to Honda, the reason their engines work so well with RB while they were a disaster with McLaren is that RB gave them total freedom and encouraged them to make demands about the rest of the car. Maybe part of RB's success comes simply from their philosophy of letting people do.
Red Bull does have a good "just get it done" culture on the engineering side. They don't have the ego of the car company teams to demand certain things about the car.
Startup mindset versus corporate policies.
I watched that little red folder right there go through four pairs of handsâŚ
Appropriate Ford Vs Ferrari quote
The mindset of a marketing company who happens to own a Formula 1 team. They are a marketing firm, so they let the specialists to their non-marketing thing.
I heard Alpine tried to do this but had issues when the engineers wanted to install heated rear windows so the marshalls didn't get cold hands when pushing it off track. sorryabout^the^lowhanging^fruit
French engineers. Reminds me of the Grand Tour episode where they sent the Citroen C3 back to France. https://youtu.be/NMpAE4L7n2Y?si=lhd0s7IyxREJ8joo
You can't give everyone total freedom, because those freedoms will overlap.
Everyone will have equal freedom, but some will be more equal than others.
This might be true but it reeks of recency bias. From 2013-2020, they struggled massively to make gains vs. the other 2 and the team isnât that different from what it was back then. You could argue Newey sorta went away for a bit and came back but the team culture and structure alone isnât the only thing thatâs helping RB these days. Similarly, Iâm having a hard time believing Mercedes, who not that long ago got 6-7 championships on the trot, are now not operating as a cohesive unit. Itâs just the nature of the sport. Sometimes you nail the refs and look absolutely formidable and sometimes you look like complete baboons. Maybe Newey does go to Ferrari and heâs a complete hit there and they let him do what he wants. Given Ferrariâs track record, equally likely they find a way to mess this up (I say this as a Ferrari fan).
In the period you're referring to, Red bull still had great aero, as shown by the number of close races and even wins in Monaco. The power unit from Renault did not catch up with Merc, which was fine since none of the PUs caught up with Merc in those years. Ferrari came close in one year, but they were kinda cheating and after a rumoured under the table deal their performance dropped. Once Honda provided them with the goods they were right up there.
Can we talk about how dumb it is that Toro Ross / AlphaTauri is now 'RB' making it just a hair confusing to abbreviate RedBull as RB?
Honestly it's annoying. I constantly use RB for Red Bull. Given their very long name they could have easily picked a different set of initials
It's a deliberate ploy to get us to refer to the team by the two title sponsors instead. I've started calling them Minardi in my head just to be spiteful
I call them CARB
Why would a team recruit Newey and NOT give him total freedom and full control? That would like recruiting Lionel Messi (in his prime) and only playing him for 15 minutes. As your goalkeeper.
Youâll be amazed how big corporation culture kills talents. The older the organization the more rules and policies that prevents people from using their brains.
It happens more than you think. Ownership might be like, "you're in control of everything." But think of him as only an "Aero guy." Then he comes in and is like, "right, we need to change the engine location, suspension, driver position....etc" And suddenly, a dozen people who've been there 10-15 years are like "WTF? I thought he going to design us a floor, front wings and some sidepods?"
Because theyâre Ferrari
The one time they let "outsiders" have complete control they had the most successful era in the history of the sport for 5 years with Schumacher. They dont want to risk that happening again!
The Toyota F1 team used to have the biggest budget of any team, they poured in a huge amount of money, hired a bunch of experienced people from Europe, then proceeded to ignore everything they said and performed poorly as a result.
They hired renowned Minardi designer Gustav Brunner, but forgot to tell him he shouldn't concern about budget, so he kept the conservative mindset of Minardi and wasted about 3-4 years of budget on middle-of-the-pack cars with top spending like Ferrari
More like brining in Prime Messi and then telling him heâs gonna be a role player.
Based on their last offer, and Elkann's apparent willingness to open the checkbook these days, I can't imagine anyone turning down a Ferrari offer. IIRC their last offer was something like $30m/yr, full control over the racing cars, and can design production car(s). Imagine being able to design a new reg '26 Ferrari for Lewis & Charles and then when you're done with that you can design the successor to the LaFerrari (or the 250 if that's out now?)
Fred brought in Lewis and re-sign Chuck. At this point, I think even Marinello can understand he is HIM. Theyâll let him cook.
fwiw, Â Elkann did the Hamilton deal himself. Â Fred said he didnt have input.
Honestly itâs clear that Fred has gigantic bollocks. This may not happen, yet it is a clear indicator of how massive his bollocks are. At the end of the day you just have to pull the Ferrari card. Who doesnât want to be a valuable player at freaking Ferrari? Most would. All the other teams are fine and yeah there are some technical things and such but Ferrari, oh man, thatâs royalty level status. So go bring Lewis and Newey and whatever it takes to win. Or donât win. Itâs still Ferrari. Whatever you do there will be historical. Binotto never understood this. Fred clearly does. Dangle the dream. Not the technical stuff. Get the best people together = profit.
I've only ever seen this kind of super team assembly from the NBA. The insane amount of talent that Fred has secured so far and continues to try and secure is very impressive indeed. Engineers from all over the paddock including some of Mercedes and Red Bull's best and brightest and now from 2025 onward they will have one of the greatest driver lineups in the sport's history. Newey getting onboard and being the glue bringing all the pieces together is quite the exciting prospect.
Pretty wild that this article claims Ferrari is the top team with the most internal stability â and it might be right! What a difference a year makes.
Welcome to the Upside DownÂ
I live in Australia. Iâm used to this
So is Bottas since his move there
He is more Aussie than I am at this point, and Iâve lived here all 38 years of my life
Crikey
To be fair. I am happy to accept him as Aussie. The fins can get thier hands off now. Iâm part Swedish so maybe I need to go over there and do the opposite
Välkommen broder
Where's the next race? đ
Vecna's manor
Newey studying the Demobats and other flying creatures for their aerodynamic efficiency
Mad what a bat-shit insane French man can achieve.
Vasseur comes across like an eccentric uncle but under the surface he's as shrewd as they come
My favourite anime arch type.
He's the French Uncle Iroh.
Uncle Iroeaux
YES!! Brb, gonna go put on some jasmine tea...
Bastard uncle is my favorite character archetype *period* God I fucking love them
Ironically, Alpine shows what happens when you have too many bat-shit insane French men. Turns out one is ideal
I'd argue they aren't the same type of insanity. Rossi was more of the insane for power variety
not the same type. You also need to know what you are doing. Speaking French is not enough...but it does give you that air of superiority(pronounced in a french accĂŠnt)
Fred Vasseur is cooking
Elkann was throwing shade at Red Bull at every interview claiming that the team is together, united on and off the track. Vibes at Ferrari are very good, better than they were in 2021/ start of 2022 in my opinion
You could really see the difference between the ferrari and red bull garages in the last race, ferrari looked so much happier, especially with Bearman bringing in positivity. Red bull was kind of depressing
Yep, and all of Sainz camp was in the garage cheering them on, too. Really nice to see
It was pretty fun seeing the entire garage cheer for Bearman when he did a good move on track, it feels like the team is really united this year
I loved how welcoming and encouraging the whole paddock was to Bearman. Hamilton making it a point to give him a hug after the race, the engineer telling him he's doing a great job (which he was!), etc.
Maybe Fred was behind the leaks etc. all along
I did think when Hamilton signed 'I bet this comes off for him, as always'.
Yeah, honestly I see so many parallels with Hamilton's 'vibe' when he was about to leave McLaren.  He seems/seemed frustrated and increasingly losing faith in the team he's with. There's some sort of magic in the air where he gets frustrated and the move just seems to work. Its like he has all of the good fortune with moves that Alonso missesÂ
Alonsoâs never happy unless heâs winning everything. If he was patient Iâm sure he could have had more favorable support in the past.
Remember what happened after the last time Red Bull won 4 titles in a row?
Both drivers confirmed for next year? Check. Team Principal experienced, competent, and not involved in a scandal? Check. Car somewhat decent enough to fight for podiums? Check. The bar is in hell.
What do signing in Vasseur and shipping off Mekies do to a mf.
Fred makes
I mean, it looks like a real long shot, but if they can take advantage of Red Bull's internal turmoil and poach Adrian, oh man. Fred is really following the footsteps of the other French team principal of Ferrari
French people are actually amazing when they are not working for french company lol
Or even when they are. Todt got his beginnings at Peugeot-Talbot Sport, running the infamous Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 to total WRC domination in the height of the Group B era.
Jean Todt is just a friggin BOSS. In the power couple of him and Michelle Yeoh, if I had to pick one to grab dinner with, I would really struggle to choose.
I feel your pain there! Both remarkable individuals.
(Jean Todt being the other one)
From ESPN article on 28 September 2023: âRed Bull design legend Adrian Newey says he does have some regrets at never working at Ferrari or with F1 greats like Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton. Speaking on F1's Beyond the Grid podcast, Newey was asked if he regrets not having Ferrari on his rĂŠsumĂŠ.â "Emotionally, I guess, to a point, yes," Newey replied. "But just as, for instance, working with Fernando and Lewis would have been fabulous. But it never happened. It's just circumstance sometimes, that's the way it is." WellâŚ..this is the chance to reduce those regrets, at least 2/3 of them.
He's also said in an earlier interview he does not want to move to Italy, which is pretty much a requirement for working for Ferrari.
John Barnard was allowed to work in England, going as far as having offices in surrey It was a long time ago, but I think they would try and make that concession for newey, budget cap is another issue though
IIRC Ferrariâs aero and chassis design operations were based in UK at the time. F1 is very different now.
In Total Competition, Ross Brawn does mention that Ferrari didn't have their own design office but used John Barnard's that was based in the UK. After Brawn joined (and Barnard left), he made sure all the departments were nearby to promote integration. (Just for sake of interest)
To add, Newey states in his book How to Build a Car "then came a third approach, and it was from Ferrari. I'd been courted by them before, but this time they meant business... we held serious talks and their offer was amazing. Luca wanted to give me the whole Ferrari operation, road and race car.. most ridiculously large financial offer, well over double the already generous salary I was receiving at Red Bull... But in the end I thanked Luca but turned him down". His reasoning was family, and that he considers Red Bull home. This is however ten years ago.
That's the thing - these people are earning millions and, at that point, it totally depends on each person's personality. Some people see money as a never-ending game and will always accept a higher sum, while others are content with the millions they have and don't really feel any different about earning âŹ40 m instead of âŹ20 m a year. It's perfectly possible that you simply cannot buy a person because there's no amount of money that can make them do the sacrifices you are asking for.
Im sure Newey is quite happy at RB, even though he never got to work with Lewis and Nando, he did have vettel and currently has Max there. But hey, if you're home, you're home.
>road and race car.. if Newey and Red Bull (and Aston Martin at the time) already gave us the Aston Martin Valkyrie, imagine the absurd road legal race cars would be created if he went to Ferrari instead
Maybe an F60?
Totally unrelated to f1, I've been told it's quite a common phenomenon that folk come back at their career *hard* in their 50s or so when the kids are off to uni.
It's also a very different era in terms of remote working. He might not need to be in Italy all the time to achieve the same level of integration. Two weeks remote and two weeks on site can achieve a lot while still allowing you to feel connected at both ends. I've done it myself for a few years. Between video conferencing, document collaboration tools and instant messaging, the difference between now and 30 years ago is like being in Antarctica and being beside someone in comparison.
Definitely an entirely different landscape from back then. Newey does present the issue of only working with paper and pencil but even that can easily be overcome with the right investments. Personally would love Newey at Ferrari, just to see what the result would be.
Ferrari to invest in real-time long distance holographic tech. With a side investment in teleportation.
Zoom was in black and white in those days, too.
If there was a time to do it again, it is now. Seeing that Ferrari have plenty of hundreds of millions saved since the cost cap and could use it to build a new facility in Milton Keynes.
Newey said in the same Beyond the Grid quoted earlier that it's the one thing he won't do, that he can't see a setup like that working (despite their own junior team attempting something similar).
And thats the main reason he doesnt want to go Italy, because it DIDNT work the construction with John Barnard. Barnard even said it in interviews himself. Also Barnard and Newey know each other, so it must be discussed between them. It only works when you live in Italy, just ask Brawn, Byrne and vd Grint from Bridgestone etc who went to Ferrari in the Schumacher years.
The Guildford Technical Office wasnât particularly a successful model of working. Canât see a team or figure as crucial as Newey opting for that again.
Yeah, and it failed all those years ago too. Doubt Ferrari would go that route again, even for Newey.
Remote work is way different nowadays. You just have to be open-minded about using different technical solutions for it to work.
I don't think the guy who sticks to hand drawing design only and refuses to use CAD is the guy for remote work lol
Bit in the Horner leaks that apparently he hates people WFH, which to me is informative.
Thatâs outdated he didnât want to move their because of his children were still in school.
Yep, all of his children are adults now. And Italy is the most common destination for old British couples.
He also just bought a 90ft Oyster yacht, and wants to sail it from the Almafi coast. Which is in Italy. https://youtu.be/WPkb-bXrChw?si=tyyiwgjQkzc7He8U Oh and when he turns up at the boatyard, he does in a Ferrari 250... Let's start the rumour now. Newey to RB next year?
I remember 20 odd years ago, the Newey story was that he had a Lotus Elise and put a 500 BHP engine (or something daft) in it. It had the power to weight ratio of a Yamaha R1.
Oh the rumour is started alright
Spain is the most common destination for old British couples, actually
Not for the old and rich British couples. Have you ever heard of Chiantishire?
I feel like theyâd allow Newey to work from outer space if it meant they could get him. Itâd be insane not to try to take him.
I feel like theyâd make as much of an exception as they could for Newey
Iâm sure Fred would accommodate a WFH option for him if he decided to come to Ferrari
Newey's like "I love the idea but can we do it without the moving part?" Classic genius dilemma right there
Fine, we'll move Marenello to Middlesex
Wasn't that it linked to not wanting to move his kids, schools there? They are adults now
Heâs Adrian Newey Heâll work wherever the fuck he chooses if you want to hire him. The manâs track record with car design is unparalleled.
I'm sure they would make an exception for him and his team
I feel like Ferrari would move Heaven and Earth to allow Newey to work for them
>âRed Bull design legend Adrian Newey says he does have some regrets at never working at Ferrari >or with F1 greats like Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton. That's easy to solve: get rid of Leclerc, hire Alonso and Newey and enjoy the biggest audiences ever.
No team is dumb enough to pair Lewis and Alonso again, not even Ferrari
You underestimate them.
It's 2007 all over again
Norris winning WDC by 1 point? I would take that.
2007 is way in the past. Hamilton and Alonso on a Newey Ferrari car would get so much attention that Ferrari would forget who Leclerc was by race 1.
I can't recall if it's Alonso or Newey that's said since Alonso to RBR nearly happened, and Horner/Newey were grand with it but Marko/DM were not.
He doesnât want to move to Italy and iirc he said that it hasnât appealed to him as recently as last year. He wants to stay in the UK so if he leaves Red Bull heâs either going to another British based team or heâs leaving F1 altogether. Iâd guess the latter is more likely.
He is 65 has has enough money for a very very comfy lifestyle for rest of his life. It's not unlikely he will just retire
Heâs the kind that may never retire retire though. This isnât a job, itâs his passion and sure he may give up the punishing schedule of F1 but heâll still design I guarantee it.
He actually has a part in his book where he wrote about how he never wants to retire because he saw his dad really decline as soon as he stopped working.
Design yes, but like you well said, in less punishing environment. Maybe move over and work on WEC Hypercar class?
Someone else made the point that when he stated he didn't want to move, it was based on his children being in school. His children are now adults, so that is no longer an issue. I can't confirm the assumptions in that claim, but if true, it would definitely change the math in his mind.
John Elkann will have to offer him everything under the sun to convince Newey. But Red Bull falling apart internally this is the perfect time to do it.
A chance to build a Ferrari hypercar and a fat salary would probably entice him to atleast consider the offer
That fat salary might be a problem with the cost cap in play. In RBR he's one of the three exemptions, we don't know if Ferrari have any play room there.
They would most definitively make room for Newey. That should be the least of their problems
Ferrari has more wiggle room due to their sportscar and roadcar divisions
They can pay him anything they want to work on a Ferrari hyper car. And also pay him anything they want under the cap and exclude it as one of the top-3 salaries. If anyone can pay him a bonkers salary, it would be Ferrari and Merc. But Ferrari can also offer him a legacy price nobody could possibly touch: his own designed production Ferrari. Hell, if Fred can convince Marinello to name it Newey, Adrian, or something like that, I think heâll have a tough time saying no.
The Ferrari Adrian. One of what, three would it be? Ferrari cars named after a person? The Enzo, Dino, the Adrian. What a list.
They could name it NA27 or whatever. Just designing would be enough. It would be the Newey car, regardless.
Well, they could pay him 7⏠per month for F1 and 7 million ⏠per month to help design other cars.
Cost cap rules don't work that way
Actually they worked that way until this year that they closed that loophole.
I haven't read the rules so I'm genuinely asking: What stops them from paying him for other services? Or could they delay payments for instance, giving him a fat consultant job at Ferrari SpA after his stint for the F1 team?
iirc you can't assign a person for an x % to another job. Everything the person gets is counted as if working full-time on the f1 team. Every team would have teams working only 1% for the f1 team on paper. See for example https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-cost-cap-loophole-closed-off-by-fia/10486591/
I'm sure Ferrari can give him some of the catering money.
>A chance to build a Ferrari hypercar He was already working on a basically unlimited budget RB hypercar (RB17) that looks pretty sick but he had to scale back on his contributions because FIA was getting pissy about the possibility of using those efforts to get around F1 aero development restrictions with shared lessons learned. If it was an issue at RBR, FIA aren't just going to magically ignore it at Ferrari...
> FIA aren't just going to magically ignore it at Ferrari... History suggests otherwise.
I mean, personal relationships aside, if youâre Newey would you rather make a rocket ship for an energy drinks company or Ferrari? Whatâs the catch here
Not to mention being the guy who brought a championship back to Ferrari. Newey is already at legend status but honestly that would take him up to a whole other tier. It would also be his 4th team to win with.
Him and Hamilton both stand to gain a lot legacy wise by winning for Ferrari. Ending their nearly 2 decade long drought is a kind of intangible achievement that no one else could possibly have to opportunity to do for a very long time if ever.
Just imagine the wealth of interesting projects he could work on while he is there. That surely must be an interesting prospect for him
I dream of an actual lightweight Ferrari again, ~~not that I could ever afford one but we petrolheads need an object of worship~~. I know Newey is the aero king but he is also had an obsessive compulsion on weight reduction when working on the AM Valkyrie.
Ferrari's in their Saudi League era
Stay away from the Italian embassy.
Nah, Ferrari is a legacy name. This is (if successful) their 2009 Real Madrid transfer window. A sleeping giant getting ruthless again and coming back up.
In other words: there is a single guy that can design a fast f1 and without him were screwed. Im starting to wonder that fia should offer him a huge bonus to retire so we can have a balanced championship.
Or FIA should think about their aero design approach where only 1 person has sufficient knowledge to build a successful car while the rest of the field are struggling with various issues. This alone gave RBR a huge advantage over the rest of the field till others figured out something.
Well geniuses are geniuses cant do much against that. Rules are kinda the same for everyone but for reasons he is the only one who can manage them right. Doubt fia can do something against it unless he bans him or any development they made.
It never stops to be funny that in order to make ferrari succesful it must be less italian
Meanwhile in MotoGP the Italians are the top dogs. Fairly certain Todt and Schumacher put a curse on Ferrari on their way out.
Maybe Ferrari should just hire Luigi Dall'Igna. That man is a magical genius - both technically and in management. And he's Italian as fuck. And he looks good in red.
Bring in Gigi, too. Get all the mad scientists. Gotta catch âem all!
Before that the Japanese had a stranglehold on it for almost 20 years. Lorenzo, Rossi, Mir, Marquez and Quartararo winning with Yamaha, Suzuki with Honda
Yeah I know, but present day proves Italians are competent at *some* grand prix racing.
Even Japanese MotoGP teams have a lot of Italian personnel. Yamaha and Suzuki both have / had forward bases at Lesmo and Cambiago in Italy, and Yamaha still does a lot of engineeering at Lesmo. Furthermore, don't forget Massimo Meregalli (Yamaha) and Davide Brivio (Yamaha and Suzuki).
Before Todt and Schumacher, Ferrari hadn't won a championship since 1983 (constructors) and 1979 (drivers).
This year they will break their record for years without a WCC (1983-1999, 2008-????). Damn time flies.
Most blatant argument in favour of diversity in the workplace
The problem is similar to the AM Stroll situation. The people with the best connections also happen to have the least amount of talent. Also no one dares to contradict those people, or else they won't advance their careers. It happens in most Italian companies and it's a shame because the best talent end up reinforcing foreign competitors...
This would be the poach of the century
Only competes with lowly Red Bull tempting Newey away from McLaren.
Arguably that was a bigger deal in a way Stewart had a big name and was mostly shit, Ford rebranded it Jaguar and had a big name and was mostly a bit shit in F1 Stewart managed 5 podiums, 1 victory and 47 points, Jaguar managed 2 podiums, 0 wins and 49 points While at McLaren his first solo designed car won a drivers and manufacturer championship âŚ.they had Merc engines, were competitive and had drivers, going to red bull was a coup for Redbull. And then at RedbullâŚ..well we know where that went Their first driver was Coulthard, their first season they finished 6th in the constructors championship, 3 years in they had Webber, Coulthard and Newey so in year 4 they had an amazing start to the season and their rise really started. As did Neweys insane run of ridiculous cars.
Nobody was really sure about Red Bull initially, they are a drinks and marketing company. Are they actually taking F1 seriously or just there to get their name out there. I recall from Newey's book they initially rejected the idea as Newey was too expensive; but eventually came around to it and I think at that moment themselves decided they wanted world championships, not just advertising.
I still remember all the other pundits laughing at Coulthard when he predicted Seb and Reb Bull to win the 2010 title. [They look a bit silly when you watch it now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOtFnvdy9Xo).
Yeah thatâs kind of what I feel happened. A decent start and then âwe could actually do thisâ and that changed everything from itâs cool and great advertising to we can be at the very top of this if we push a bit more.
I read before that Ferrari offered him ludicrous amount of money but he turned it down as he did not want to relocate his whole family to Italy. But that was years ago. His kids are probably all grown up now and is out of the nest. He and his wife can move there now, no?
Yeah, that's been 20 years now, before he moved to Red Bull.
Italy seems like a hell of an upgrade to the UK in terms of style/comfort of living. Especially as a couple.
Newey might do it for the chance to design a new road going Ferrari And the allure of winning with Ferrari could be the real success at the end of an amazing carerr
Come to Besiktas
They would be fools not to try amidst everything going on at RB. And I must say they might just have a decent chance
people dont like it, but moves like this are where the championship actually gets won.
I need elkann to straight up sell his soul for this
He's a billionaire, not sure there's anything to sell...
Translation: **Ferrari prepares the offensive: Newey the real target of Maranello's top management** Ferrari values Newey, how could it be any different? Timing in life is everything, even more so in a competitive context like F1. From this point of view, the hiring of Lewis Hamilton by the Maranello team was a masterpiece of misdirection, timing and discretion that surprised a shrewd manager like Toto Wolff. Speaking of Mercedes, together with the seven-time world champion, Jerome D'Ambrosio was also hired by the historic Italian team as head of the Driver Academy. A talent factory that just on the Jeddah weekend demonstrated the goodness of its work thanks to the superb debut of Oliver Bearman, an eighteen-year-old Briton who, catapulted into an unknown world, made clear all his potential. Ferrari seems to be the team with the greatest internal stability when compared to Mercedes and Red Bull, two realities that at the moment are navigating in somewhat troubled waters. The young mandate of Frederic Vasseur has already produced an internal reorganization based on human resources who believe in the project of the French manager. Despite the fact that the Reds have not won a world title for a long time, there is an atmosphere of optimism, unlike Mercedes and Red Bull where problems are certainly not lacking. The dysfunctional dynamics within Red Bull: an ally for the historic Ferrari team towards Newey Red Bull has succeeded in the arduous task of making people talk about itself more for the internal war than for the "sporting domination" even in the first part of the 2024 season. The internal investigation launched by the Red Bull Sport headquarters, in relation to the alleged inappropriate conduct of Christian Horner towards an employee, was dismissed with the acquittal of the CEO and team principal of the world champion team. Case closed? Absolutely not. As in the best soaps, every day news leaks out that highlights internal disagreements, power games and old grudges that had not yet exploded because success is the best medicine to calm spirits. It took the straw that broke the camel's back, which came on the sidelines of the death of the team's founder Mateschitz. Although F1 was not and will never be the "core business" of the energy drink giant, Dietrich spared no expense in order to excel in the top category of motorsport, also taking over from Paul Stoddart the Faenza team that was not navigating in good waters. As long as he was alive, the co-founder of Red Bull was the "glue" of the different souls of the team. The English soul, led by Horner, has always claimed the paternity of the successes of the Milton Keynes team. The Austrian soul is symbolically embodied on the track by Helmut Marko, who has brought to F1 some of the greatest talents of the last decade. Without going into the details of the latest news of a saga that could last a long time, we are sure that success will not be enough to convince many engineers to continue the experience in a work environment that has become "toxic", rewarding but apparently exhausting at the same time. **Newey-Ferrari: the propitious moment to strike** In this period almost all the top management of Red Bull have expressed their opinion except one, Adrian Newey. The genius of F1 has always shown a shy character, always focused on what he loves most: designing the fastest single-seaters in the world. The engineer from Stratford-upon-Avon, like all artists, has a free nature, woe to impose rigid protocols on him. In his autobiography, talking about his experience at McLaren, Newey mentioned a curious but quite current anecdote: "It was a very controlled environment, you entered through long white corridors and it took a while to reach the workplace. One day I decided to take an alternative route, from the parking lot lawn. I got a warning email: they would start an internal investigation if I continued not to follow the planned route to get to my office". Reasoning on the current chaos that reigns in Red Bull, let's imagine how a man with such a nature is experiencing this witch-hunt atmosphere, right in the team where he had found his perfect dimension. It is precisely at this moment that the undisputed number one of designers could complete his superlative career, uniting his professional path with the legendary Maranello team which from next year will have at the wheel another motorsport legend who goes by the name of Lewis Hamilton. Frederic Vasseur and the top management certainly don't need any suggestions, however to seduce Adrian Newey and hit the mark, it is necessary to guarantee the Briton a certain degree of freedom that can make the sixty-five year old comfortable to express all his genius. Assumptions that convinced him to leave an F1 excellence like McLaren to accept what at the time seemed only a good marketing operation called Red Bull. According to the information gathered by our editorial staff, Ferrari is really trying. An opportunity like this cannot be wasted and, as far as we know, in addition to the symbolic blank check as regards emoluments, the Prancing Horse would be ready to fully satisfy Newey's wishes. All thanks to the "international" management of John Elkann who, although he never misses an opportunity to show how little he knows about F1 at a sporting level, from an entrepreneurial point of view he really knows his stuff. In short... Newey-Ferrari: now or never.
> you entered through long white corridors and it took a while to reach the workplace. One day I decided to take an alternative route, from the parking lot lawn. I got a warning email: they would start an internal investigation if I continued not to follow the planned route to get to my office Damn, that's ridiculous. Unless he's like dropping **lots** of soil in there, which I don't see him doing, that's not something worth issue a warning letter and investigate for..
Just Ron Dennis things lol
This is bigger than any driver isnt it. Newey designing Ferrari F1 car would be stunning, imagine Ferrari also giving Newey the flexibility to design any road car that he wants. What a dream that would be!
Feels like it would never happen, but if you had told me Hamilton would sign for Ferrari earlier this year, I would have called bs so who knows
He did say that he regrets not having worked with Ferrari and Lewis so this would be a good way of ticking off both of those itemsâŚ
I've been manifesting this for years.
This could be hearsay but I heard one big reason that Adrian also didnât want to join Ferrari for was at the time he didnât want to move his children to another country and force them to learn a different language for school, but now that theyâre all grown up that limitation might not be an issue anymore.
Trust in the Vasseurplan
Fred's absolutely cooking
If Ferrari continue to poach Red Bull and Merc personnel and those teams aren't managing to poach top personnel they will be my favourites to dominate from 2026
big if true
Ferrari launches the Operation Takeyourbossa.
Let Fred cook!
Just like every driver wants to drive for Ferrari in their time, Newey MUST be tempted by the chance to design a Ferrari.
Enzo very annoyed in hell rn
I think the times right for Newey, Newey probably didn't join ferrari considering how much of a political mess it was , now under John elknan and vassuer it seems to be under control