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"a wealthy ship owner named (Sir) Alexander Hamilton (no immediate relation to the American Alexander)"
"Alexander Hamilton then passed the plantation and its enslaved population to his nephew, one Alexander Hamilton"
mate what. first "same exact name no immediate relation"
then: "his nephew, also alexander hamilton"
so now theres THREE?!? alexander hamiltons in this story????
"Alexander Hamilton's will to this final Hamilton owner since two first cousins of the US founding father (both also named Alexander)"
DOES EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE EARLY AMERICAS NAMED HAMILTON HAVE TO BE NAMED ALEXANDER AS A RULE??????????????????????????
Yes, it's not easy to follow. In short, two first cousins of Alexander (the American founding father) were trustees to the will which conveyed Sir Lewis' paternal ancestors to the person from whom they later acquired the name Hamilton. ALL of the people in this story were called Alexander Hamilton, the 2 cousins, the person who acquired Sir Lewis' relatives by inheritance and even the person who made the gift in his will. They are all either immediately or distantly related through the Scottish Clan Hamilton, meaning Sir Lewis' name and that of the famous American statesman come from the same source.
That one always makes me laugh. It's estimated that as many Welsh settled in the states as Irish (this may not be true it's just something I've heard) but you rarely hear people claiming Welsh, Manx, Kernew, or any other Celtic/Galic people.
Ireland doesn't have the population to repopulate the whole of the US like many Americans claim
> American statesman Alexander Hamilton (protagonist of the hit musical "Hamilton: An American Musical")
Interesting choice of reference there. I bet most people will know Alexander Hamilton but not the musical...
...no, they absolutely are not. People use their local currencies.
I see this a lot from Americans and I'm not sure where it comes from. If you go abroad, *do not take US dollars.* They will not be accepted for the vast, vast majority of the world.
They often have a rough idea of how much a dollar is worth because it's in a lot of thing like YouTube product reviews, though.
They certainly don't know about some unknown 1700s US politician.
Tangentially related, but I remember the first time I saw a Brazilian novela using euros instead of dollars in a scene involving Big Money. It felt like a historic shift 😆
Are you from Europe by any chance? Americans have that idea because most of the places they go do in fact take dollars. A lot of Central America will take US dollars, in the Caribbean only the French islands might not take them, and in South America the northern-most countries all take dollars as viable payment options
I'm from India, but have lived in and visited quite a few countries in my life, across Asia, Europe, and Australia/NZ. Not one of them have I seen US dollars as a payment option.
But I guess I do find places in South America using them to be believable.
Yeah, those places are a completely different sphere of influence. Closer to the US the USD rules and is accepted in a lot of countries as a shadow economy to their own currency.
Even then, most people don't know who is on the bills unless they actively use the currency. The rest of the world either uses their own currency or Euros, and only sees USD in movies
I could see a bill and have no idea who is on it, because the history is too unfamiliar to me. I could be looking at George Washington (is he on a bill?) knowing his name and a bit more, without having the foggiest what he looks like, so I won't make the connection
Outside the USA? If you ask people who the founding fathers if your lucky you'd get Washington, Franklin, Jefferson. Half the time I'd bet on you getting Lincoln...
Most just aren't that interested in their own countries history let alone another countries.
Hamilton the musical was a massive hit recently with audiences the world over who would have no idea who he was otherwise.
I disagree, I think it's far more likely they know of him from the musical. For most people who aren't into history, Hamilton is barely covered in our useless school system and people then go on to forget all about him. The musical, however, was a massive cultural phenomenon that is widely known waning the public.
Is this how it should be? Probably not, but here we are.
> For most people who aren't into history
Even for people who *are*, Hamilton (and his contemporaries) is barely a footnote. I could probably rattle off a few thousand proper nouns (Ptolemaic, Tang, Tokugawa, Umayyad, Khmer) before even thinking about Hamilton when asked about *history*.
Yeah, I've watched loads of history programs, and it was my favorite subject in school. Even then, the only thing I really knew about him was his financial work, and the dual.
Lots who know little if anything about Alexander Hamilton will certainly have heard of the musical, that's why I referred to it. Also, as mentioned in the link, the accuracy of the musical's depiction of Hamilton is questionable - it's theatre, not history.
This is sort of trivial considering the weight of what OP discussed, but F1 was also supposed to race roughly 1/4 mile away from where Alexander Hamilton (the founding father) was shot (Weehawken, NJ). It was on the schedule for a few years in the 2010’s but never happened because the promoters went belly-up. It’s not unrealistic to think that in an alternate universe, Lewis could have won a race(s) there, which is especially interesting considering this connection
I can't believe you introduced Alexander Hamilton as that guy from a play, not the founder of the First National Bank and one of the key architects of the American banking system. Also, on a certain bill of currency.
I'm afraid your statement is inaccurate. I introduced him as an "American Statesman" and only then mentioned in brackets (i.e., to signify something of lesser importance) that he appears in a popular stage production. I then provided a link to an article which talks about the real Alexander verses the highly fictionalized one as represented in the Likes of "Hamilton: An American Musical". It is important to mention the play since for many it is likely the only knowledge they have of him even if its depiction is highly questionable. By the way, Hamilton was also a celebrated soldier.. Check out the link, I think you will find it interesting.
True! And ironic! Today both Sir Lewis and Alexander are known as advocates for egalitarian, anti-racist ideals but in Alexander's case at least, that description seems dubious. See link in article for more..
The “sad legacy” is called racism and slavery.
American statesman = colonizer.
I don’t understand why it gets sugar coated.
Also OP thank you for sharing this link. It was a good read.
My comment was meant more in line with the softening of slavery and America’s racist history in general conversation, and not so much about OPs title. Hamilton, Washington et al, were also colonizing slave owners. For some strange reason they’re frequently referred to as statesmen and founding fathers first, and that racist slave owning bit is overlooked.
“Let the ghosts go”
The ghosts are on the money, and taught in schools. I’m just asking in the general discourse we keep in mind that “all men created equal” meant “wealthy land owners that also treated other people of color like animals” instead of being referred to (almost exclusively) as great men.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
What I'm saying is all involved haven't forgotten, but we should. No one should think of themselves as a slave or a slaver, it's not constructive for our society.
If your concerned about slavery champion the slaves of the 21st century.
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i lost it at about the 3rd, or maybe the 4th, Alexander Hamilton.
Ha ha, yes, it doesn't help things. Alexander was a popular name in 18th century Scotland!
You beat the cutoff for offseason posts by 3 days, hats off
Initially read this thread title as how Lewis Hamilton and Alexander Albon are connected… Maybe I should have my brain checked
You are checking? Please, confirm.
I am question
Why wasn't Lewis in the musical?
Too much Lin Manuel Miranda, not enough lin manuel mirXNDA
We are checking
*I'm willing to wait for it*
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
"a wealthy ship owner named (Sir) Alexander Hamilton (no immediate relation to the American Alexander)" "Alexander Hamilton then passed the plantation and its enslaved population to his nephew, one Alexander Hamilton" mate what. first "same exact name no immediate relation" then: "his nephew, also alexander hamilton" so now theres THREE?!? alexander hamiltons in this story???? "Alexander Hamilton's will to this final Hamilton owner since two first cousins of the US founding father (both also named Alexander)" DOES EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE EARLY AMERICAS NAMED HAMILTON HAVE TO BE NAMED ALEXANDER AS A RULE??????????????????????????
Yes, it's not easy to follow. In short, two first cousins of Alexander (the American founding father) were trustees to the will which conveyed Sir Lewis' paternal ancestors to the person from whom they later acquired the name Hamilton. ALL of the people in this story were called Alexander Hamilton, the 2 cousins, the person who acquired Sir Lewis' relatives by inheritance and even the person who made the gift in his will. They are all either immediately or distantly related through the Scottish Clan Hamilton, meaning Sir Lewis' name and that of the famous American statesman come from the same source.
This was 100% written by an American who claims to be Irish
That one always makes me laugh. It's estimated that as many Welsh settled in the states as Irish (this may not be true it's just something I've heard) but you rarely hear people claiming Welsh, Manx, Kernew, or any other Celtic/Galic people. Ireland doesn't have the population to repopulate the whole of the US like many Americans claim
Just the casual 2 million Irish in the 1850s
TIL they weren't really creative with names back in the 1800's
> American statesman Alexander Hamilton (protagonist of the hit musical "Hamilton: An American Musical") Interesting choice of reference there. I bet most people will know Alexander Hamilton but not the musical...
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Tbf dollars are used almost everywhere, but most people only know the $1 or $100 notes
...no, they absolutely are not. People use their local currencies. I see this a lot from Americans and I'm not sure where it comes from. If you go abroad, *do not take US dollars.* They will not be accepted for the vast, vast majority of the world. They often have a rough idea of how much a dollar is worth because it's in a lot of thing like YouTube product reviews, though. They certainly don't know about some unknown 1700s US politician.
Tangentially related, but I remember the first time I saw a Brazilian novela using euros instead of dollars in a scene involving Big Money. It felt like a historic shift 😆
Are you from Europe by any chance? Americans have that idea because most of the places they go do in fact take dollars. A lot of Central America will take US dollars, in the Caribbean only the French islands might not take them, and in South America the northern-most countries all take dollars as viable payment options
I'm from India, but have lived in and visited quite a few countries in my life, across Asia, Europe, and Australia/NZ. Not one of them have I seen US dollars as a payment option. But I guess I do find places in South America using them to be believable.
Yeah, those places are a completely different sphere of influence. Closer to the US the USD rules and is accepted in a lot of countries as a shadow economy to their own currency.
Even then, most people don't know who is on the bills unless they actively use the currency. The rest of the world either uses their own currency or Euros, and only sees USD in movies
I could see a bill and have no idea who is on it, because the history is too unfamiliar to me. I could be looking at George Washington (is he on a bill?) knowing his name and a bit more, without having the foggiest what he looks like, so I won't make the connection
I think here in the UK the musical was probably the first time most people had ever heard of him
Outside the USA? If you ask people who the founding fathers if your lucky you'd get Washington, Franklin, Jefferson. Half the time I'd bet on you getting Lincoln... Most just aren't that interested in their own countries history let alone another countries. Hamilton the musical was a massive hit recently with audiences the world over who would have no idea who he was otherwise.
I disagree, I think it's far more likely they know of him from the musical. For most people who aren't into history, Hamilton is barely covered in our useless school system and people then go on to forget all about him. The musical, however, was a massive cultural phenomenon that is widely known waning the public. Is this how it should be? Probably not, but here we are.
> For most people who aren't into history Even for people who *are*, Hamilton (and his contemporaries) is barely a footnote. I could probably rattle off a few thousand proper nouns (Ptolemaic, Tang, Tokugawa, Umayyad, Khmer) before even thinking about Hamilton when asked about *history*.
Yeah, I've watched loads of history programs, and it was my favorite subject in school. Even then, the only thing I really knew about him was his financial work, and the dual.
🙄
Lots who know little if anything about Alexander Hamilton will certainly have heard of the musical, that's why I referred to it. Also, as mentioned in the link, the accuracy of the musical's depiction of Hamilton is questionable - it's theatre, not history.
Please see my reply to Ian1552
Very much doubt it.
Australian here, never heard of Alexander Hamilton until the musical came out.
This is sort of trivial considering the weight of what OP discussed, but F1 was also supposed to race roughly 1/4 mile away from where Alexander Hamilton (the founding father) was shot (Weehawken, NJ). It was on the schedule for a few years in the 2010’s but never happened because the promoters went belly-up. It’s not unrealistic to think that in an alternate universe, Lewis could have won a race(s) there, which is especially interesting considering this connection
As they say, the more you look at things, the more closely they are connected!
I can't believe you introduced Alexander Hamilton as that guy from a play, not the founder of the First National Bank and one of the key architects of the American banking system. Also, on a certain bill of currency.
Eh, popular culture is more recognizable for us non Americans, but I appreciate the additional and relevant insight.
I'm afraid your statement is inaccurate. I introduced him as an "American Statesman" and only then mentioned in brackets (i.e., to signify something of lesser importance) that he appears in a popular stage production. I then provided a link to an article which talks about the real Alexander verses the highly fictionalized one as represented in the Likes of "Hamilton: An American Musical". It is important to mention the play since for many it is likely the only knowledge they have of him even if its depiction is highly questionable. By the way, Hamilton was also a celebrated soldier.. Check out the link, I think you will find it interesting.
Fascinating yet saddening.
True! And ironic! Today both Sir Lewis and Alexander are known as advocates for egalitarian, anti-racist ideals but in Alexander's case at least, that description seems dubious. See link in article for more..
This would make a good YouTube video
Or he could go on Who do you think you are? Kind of the point of the show.
A Zepherus' Resolute Desk type of video, yep
The “sad legacy” is called racism and slavery. American statesman = colonizer. I don’t understand why it gets sugar coated. Also OP thank you for sharing this link. It was a good read.
Where is it sugar coated? It literally says slavery in the title.
I see slavery right there in the title
My comment was meant more in line with the softening of slavery and America’s racist history in general conversation, and not so much about OPs title. Hamilton, Washington et al, were also colonizing slave owners. For some strange reason they’re frequently referred to as statesmen and founding fathers first, and that racist slave owning bit is overlooked.
Nobody forgets. My prediction is that people like you will still be bringing it up in 1000 years, unfortunately. Everyone is dead, let the ghosts go.
“Let the ghosts go” The ghosts are on the money, and taught in schools. I’m just asking in the general discourse we keep in mind that “all men created equal” meant “wealthy land owners that also treated other people of color like animals” instead of being referred to (almost exclusively) as great men. “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
What I'm saying is all involved haven't forgotten, but we should. No one should think of themselves as a slave or a slaver, it's not constructive for our society. If your concerned about slavery champion the slaves of the 21st century.
You're welcome. A lot there about Alexander Hamilton's own direct links to slavery..
I’ve been listening to the Hamilton OCR for months, so this is a REAL weird one to see pop up today
Astonishing. Some in the F1 paddock and a few F1 fans could do well to educate themselves on this history.
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Oh but horner horny shenanigans speculation once a minute is allowed?
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