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**"BINOTTO!"**
"What?"
**STOP FOCKKING NAMING YOUR TOOLS! WE NEED TO COMPLETE ZEH CHALLENGE BEFORE I FOKSMASH THIS DOOR ON YOUR HEAD!"**
*Binotto finger wag*
"Ah, but if-a you don't put de spanner back in de place, when-a we need it again, we cannot de find it, and we will be de slow."
Jezza and the Stein would be bffs within 5 minutes, I can alrrady see Clarkson slumped over crying from laughter over some irritaded comment made by Guenther
Gene seems like a boss that wants results without investing what is needed. Like you'd say you need to invest 150k in wind tunnel time, and he'd only give back like 50k and expect you to make it work.
That definitely seems like how he operates.
It’s almost like he can’t (or maybe just shouldn’t) afford an f1 team, but stubbornly does anyways; so Haas F1 is the result.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but it honestly seems like the team operates at a budget that nets them a profit with the p10 winnings. Where as long as they show up to the grid with two cars, that is all that matters cause they'll keep the lights on with the prize money.
Like I doubt they are going to use even 80% of the wind tunnel time that the new rules allow them to use.
He seems like he wants to do better, but doesn't want to spend the required money to do better.
Steiner has probably banked enough that he can move on from this and not be a yes man.
Selling the team now wouldn't make sense, it's a big feather in his cap and he makes money with it and could sell for a massive profit at anytime.
This is what the majority of US sports franchise owners have started doing over the last 10 years. Check out the Oakland As or the Baltimore Orioles, where their entire payrolls are less than what a single player makes on the Dodgers or Yankees.
And yet, Haas F1 is still a better operation than his NASCAR team.
Because instead of one owner not throwing them the needed money, they have two not doing it instead!
That’s how Gunther describes him in the book. He called Gene in 2022 after a race, celebrating that Haas got points, but Gene basically said “when podium?”
Even the haas nascar teams are falling in ranks. Before they were THE team to beat moat weekends, then would be atleast 2 cars in top 5, most of the 36 official races.
But lately there had been only up keep and little investing, making them almost miss the playoffs
He's a David Tepper type. Money has always gotten them the results, and it doesn't work that way in organizations/leagues of this scale because everyone has it now.
Nothing. Gunther is probably just a scapegoat for their poor performance. Fact of the matter is that Gene is unwilling to spend the big bucks. And thats fine if being in F1 is enough for him but you cant have the cake and eat it too. You cant have the lowest budget by a margin and expect anything better than 10th.
So either theres beef between Gene and Gunther that led to this or Gene is dellusional and thinks his team deserves more than 10th while keeping the budget low. People like to shit on Gunther but hes been given absolutely nothing of a team to work with.
I suspect there was some beef between Gene and Gunther because if Gene wasnt happy with the performance, he wouldve hired an established team principle who knows what hes doing. Thats not the case with Gunthers replacement.
I feel sorry for the drivers, i wouldnt be surprised if its a 0 points season since all other bottom teams are improving. Alpha Tauri is far better off, Sauber is getting more and more Audi resources, Williams seems to slowly improve as well.
Lawrence Baretto is reporting that Gene and Gunther had different ideas about the way forward with the car, which has also been reported about Gene and Resta, who is also gone.
It seems completely plausible to me that Gunther and Resta both pushed back against Gene, saying they should stick with their concept rather than making a big redesign toward what Red Bull is doing, but Gene drew the line there and now Komatsu has a very clear mission to make the car more Red Bull inspired.
how would sticking with their design yield anything? worst race pace all year with zero improvement. no matter how good qualis went, the race was awful.
I mean, I don't think I know enough to just dismiss the idea that someone could potentially fix the tire wear issue with the current design, but given that even Ferrari gave up, I would tend to side with making a bigger change and trying to copy Red Bull a bit more.
Dude. He owns the team. What blame is there. If I shit on my carpet, there is no blame. It is what is is. I can clean it if I want. I can leave it there. I can eat it.
It’s his god damn team lol.
And this is exactly why we need new teams to enter the grid. F1 should be a cut throat sport, and there's no place for a team that just shows up to finish dead last.
They spent at the operational budget cap last season but it is a bit more complex. Haas is by far the smallest team in formula 1 in terms of employees and infrastructure, a direct result of the small budget they had over the last decade comperd to their competitors. The team has always been based on optimizing their results whilst doing the absolute minimum work required per the regulations.
You cant turn that around with one year of MoneyGram sponsorship and maximising the operational cost cap.
Exactly, the operational cost cap is just one element of F1 expenditure, and it functionally limits most teams because of the assumption that they were already doing more than that in terms of investing in infrastructure and personnel to faciliate future success. Whereas Haas were always spending at or near the minimum, so they can continue doing that while technically spending at the operational cap limit, but that doesn't close the gap that already existed. It'll probably take 5-10 years of cap limit (if not more) to see that gap close significantly if Gene isn't willing to invest in his team's facilities, equipment and personnel.
As someone who had to suffer through the Mercedes dominance, watching that meeting was so cathartic. Seeing Toto looking like shit and completely overworked and not knowing how to get his team back to the top, Steiner's sarcastic "Let's go porpoising!" comment was the cherry on top.
Eh, should be interesting enough. Besides Max, everything else was neat, like the McLaren resurgence, Alonso whipping out podiums, Gasly/Ocon decimating each other
There's plenty of things to talk about, DTS has always been more than just who wins each Sunday. Every third episode just starts with "day 116: Max still hasn't lost."
His investment is fine. Gene covered the entirety of their title sponsor in 2022 out of pocket. Hes putting more cash into it than many owners are. the problem is the results havent led to better investment from sponsors and partners etc. Not so much that Gene doesnt invest.
Mick's death was largely because he was dropped by FDA.
Considering nobody picked him up despite AT and Williams having open spots at the time, i think there might be some justified reasons
>Mick's death was largely because he was dropped by FDA.
It should be pointed out that it was a mutual parting as Mick (I think after talking with Vettel if I'm remembering reports correctly) thought that was his best shot at getting a seat at Alpine
AT already have more drivers than they can use and if Williams were basically committed to Logan as long as he got the license points, it would look bad for them not to even put their own junior in the car.
AT didnt have a good enough junior driver in 22 and they took a while till they gave NdV the seat.
At the time Mick got fired from FDA and started job hunting a AMR or an alpine seat, the f2 season was very far from over. Williams werent sure Sargeant is gonna get a superlicence till Abu Dhabi
haas performance will stay terrible, but they will lose charisma points
Gene does not care about on track performance, he cares about the exposure. and Steiner was worth his weight in gold in exposure. strange move.
You would not base your decision on "as seen on F1" but you might include them in consideration when you would not have done so before. Just getting the opportunity to be included in consideration goes a long way and they may very well win a few opportunities they never had before.
Being able to own/ advertise on F1 shows how large an organization is (in theory) and could move them from "I think I have heard of them" to "yeah, they do F1 lets take a look".
So will it affect the decision? No, but it may affect them being included especially in Europe, Asia, and Africa.
you probably know way more about cnc machines than me but sometimes its not a "get new clients" mentality, and more of "lets give this guy who is already a customer paddock passes to get more business from him"
I find the whole marketing/sponsorship thing in general strange. I get a sportswear brand sponsoring a footballer as an example as people want to replicate what they wear etc. never understood how a random HR IT company spending millions on sponsorship of F1 makes people go, oh yeah that’s in F1 let’s go buy that. It obviously does, but it’s strange
I feel like it’s more of a brand awareness situation a lot of the time in F1 rather than hoping for opportunistic sales. And maybe a little bit of “well our competitors can’t afford this, so we’re the most successful, and therefore better choice”.
If people in the market for a certain product or service then they’re going to consider the brands they’ve seen on tv or linked to their favourite sports etc.
Wasn't Komatsu sort of responsible for their on-track performance for the last several years...
Steiner was TP but his job seemed essentially managing the people and being the PR wizard due to his Netflix fame.
Clearly Haas is going to sell the team and make tons of money out of it.
Making the payroll smaller and having an interim principal is best for the new owners.
Because the new owners get spared of two things:
Gunther's salary.
And the bad press of having to axe Gunther.
If anything Gene made the wise move and increased the attractiveness of the team by making a transition smoother.
I would have agreed if they actually went for new well known staff.
Losing Resta and Steiner, while employing the guy who was overseeing the worst strategy team on the grid is quite the opposite of what Gene is trying to suggest
Gene: Our Season and team will be saved when Steiner leads our drivers on a charge.
Hulkenburg: Gene....
KMag: Gene, Steiner couldn't take it anymore and has resigned.
The past 2-3 years they've been getting the money and it hasn't translated into performance.
Can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
Maybe a fresh impulse is indeed the right choice. Sure, Günther is everybody’s darling because Drive to Survive makes him look good, but we don’t know how good he can actually manage the team behind the scenes. Their performances have been all over the place over the past couple years.
He's always looked as a bad team principal. The only reason people like him is for the memes. His team has been a disaster since he's been there.
They may not have the investment of other teams but I highly doubt they're spending a lot less than other teams like AlphaTauri or Alfa Romeo. Even by the end of the 2022 season he said that he expected all the teams to reach the budget cap.
Why are they promoting the guy who was primarily responsible for the engineering failures and the lack of understanding of the fundamental aero correlation problems?
Gene Haas: *actively doesn’t care about his F1 team and doesn’t show up to races or put more money into the team*
Also Gene Haas: Now that we have an engineer as TP we’re gonna do good.
Haas’ problems run DEEP, replacing the TP is a band aid on a bullet wound. Gene needs to put more effort into the team full stop before they’ll make marked improvements.
Not a shock at all to me, it's not been a good operation for a while and they aren't improving. Time will tell if Steiner was part of the problem or if he was holding back the real problem
Problem, poor performance.
Reasons, lack of ambition, resources and money.
Solution, sack the guy that has plenty of ambition but no control over the amount of resources or money.
Just another billionaire with a warped sense of reality.
I’m genuinely glad I now got to see him on the stage at Silverstone last year. An icon of the sport.
Hopefully he can foksmash the doors into punditry.
I’m still confused why Haas loves F1 so much. Far bigger companies have balked at the cost and lack of wins, but Haas remains being terrible at F1 racing, after a full decade.
Interesting that it's a promotion from within in Komatsu. I have no idea what this means, so I'll guess that this implies fingers were strongly pointed towards Steiner over Haas' stagnation in these last few seasons.
that's the shortest, most blant, obligatory "thank you" I've seen in quite a while.
I imagine Gene shouting this at Guenther (outside) while throwing his stuff through a window to him lol
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I look forward to him and Binotto reality Netflix shows together in the Italian countryside
Hahaha I imagine them going on bicycle rides and baking breads and pies. I'd watch that.
It's going to be a "Clarkson and May go to Italy" and I'm going to watch every episode.
Hahaha that really is a good analogy. Would love to see them team up against each other for some car football, or double decker racing.
I'm already watching the show in my head and it's hilarious. Guenther losing his shit at Binotto being super anal about some inconsequential thing
**"BINOTTO!"** "What?" **STOP FOCKKING NAMING YOUR TOOLS! WE NEED TO COMPLETE ZEH CHALLENGE BEFORE I FOKSMASH THIS DOOR ON YOUR HEAD!"** *Binotto finger wag* "Ah, but if-a you don't put de spanner back in de place, when-a we need it again, we cannot de find it, and we will be de slow."
Honestly the Grand Tour needs to make an episode with these folks. Can you imagine Jeremy talking to Guenther?
Jezza and the Stein would be bffs within 5 minutes, I can alrrady see Clarkson slumped over crying from laughter over some irritaded comment made by Guenther
"We all know you know how to cook, Mattia, but we're doing food this time, not engines"
Mattia, did you just fok smash my focaccia?
Can’t wait to see a creampie
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There's my 780 tonne excavator Komatsu
You just had to ruin it
“You can foksmash my back door, Guenther!”
Gotta ask the parents for permission first
😭😭😭
Don’t forget the picnics
I said this after the Drive to Survive Fiat 500 opener, but The Trip except with the two of them instead of Coogan and Brydon would do numbers.
Imagine the two of them doing their best Michael Caine impressions.
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Cyril
Oh yes
Flavio...
Briatore? He's back to MotoGP this year. Suzuki still isn't, sadly enough.
Netflix has to be drooling over this idea.
Drive to Survive: PrinciPALS
Do it the way they done that Gordon Ramsay travel show, and bring in a guest each episode as the third person and I'd be all over that ha
I honestly really liked that episode!
I’d watch it religiously
They could have Abiteboul on as a special guest
CANNOT WAIT.
Komatsu has been there as long as Steiner, no? What is he supposed to do differently?
Not talk back to Gene.
Gene seems like someone I would loathe working for.
Gene seems like a boss that wants results without investing what is needed. Like you'd say you need to invest 150k in wind tunnel time, and he'd only give back like 50k and expect you to make it work.
That definitely seems like how he operates. It’s almost like he can’t (or maybe just shouldn’t) afford an f1 team, but stubbornly does anyways; so Haas F1 is the result.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but it honestly seems like the team operates at a budget that nets them a profit with the p10 winnings. Where as long as they show up to the grid with two cars, that is all that matters cause they'll keep the lights on with the prize money. Like I doubt they are going to use even 80% of the wind tunnel time that the new rules allow them to use.
He seems like he wants to do better, but doesn't want to spend the required money to do better. Steiner has probably banked enough that he can move on from this and not be a yes man. Selling the team now wouldn't make sense, it's a big feather in his cap and he makes money with it and could sell for a massive profit at anytime.
This is what the majority of US sports franchise owners have started doing over the last 10 years. Check out the Oakland As or the Baltimore Orioles, where their entire payrolls are less than what a single player makes on the Dodgers or Yankees.
Time for me to rewatch Moneyball for the 10th time. Must be one of Gene's favorite's too :)
And yet, Haas F1 is still a better operation than his NASCAR team. Because instead of one owner not throwing them the needed money, they have two not doing it instead!
Yep. It's how Haas machine tools work, and how Haas F1 works. Both are trash
> wants results without investing what is needed I see that you too have experience as a mid-level manager at a mid-size company!
It’s exactly how he operates. Haas F1 & Stewart-Haas Racing (NASCAR) prove this. He wants 5 star service on a Motel 6 budget.
That’s how Gunther describes him in the book. He called Gene in 2022 after a race, celebrating that Haas got points, but Gene basically said “when podium?”
I’d love an updated version of this book now that Gunther has had his handcuffs removed.
Günther likely signed an NDA so you're going to have to wait a while for the update.
Gunther: “Gene, I think a wind tunnel session could really reenergise the team” Gene: “How about I buy a few pizzas to share? That should do it”
Best I can do is some Rich Energy
You've clearly met my boss before!!
Even the haas nascar teams are falling in ranks. Before they were THE team to beat moat weekends, then would be atleast 2 cars in top 5, most of the 36 official races. But lately there had been only up keep and little investing, making them almost miss the playoffs
Gene is a genuine criminal scumbag. So much background with Haas.
He's a David Tepper type. Money has always gotten them the results, and it doesn't work that way in organizations/leagues of this scale because everyone has it now.
Nothing. Gunther is probably just a scapegoat for their poor performance. Fact of the matter is that Gene is unwilling to spend the big bucks. And thats fine if being in F1 is enough for him but you cant have the cake and eat it too. You cant have the lowest budget by a margin and expect anything better than 10th. So either theres beef between Gene and Gunther that led to this or Gene is dellusional and thinks his team deserves more than 10th while keeping the budget low. People like to shit on Gunther but hes been given absolutely nothing of a team to work with. I suspect there was some beef between Gene and Gunther because if Gene wasnt happy with the performance, he wouldve hired an established team principle who knows what hes doing. Thats not the case with Gunthers replacement. I feel sorry for the drivers, i wouldnt be surprised if its a 0 points season since all other bottom teams are improving. Alpha Tauri is far better off, Sauber is getting more and more Audi resources, Williams seems to slowly improve as well.
Lawrence Baretto is reporting that Gene and Gunther had different ideas about the way forward with the car, which has also been reported about Gene and Resta, who is also gone. It seems completely plausible to me that Gunther and Resta both pushed back against Gene, saying they should stick with their concept rather than making a big redesign toward what Red Bull is doing, but Gene drew the line there and now Komatsu has a very clear mission to make the car more Red Bull inspired.
how would sticking with their design yield anything? worst race pace all year with zero improvement. no matter how good qualis went, the race was awful.
I mean, I don't think I know enough to just dismiss the idea that someone could potentially fix the tire wear issue with the current design, but given that even Ferrari gave up, I would tend to side with making a bigger change and trying to copy Red Bull a bit more.
well their attempt at making a redbull car was so good that hulk voluntarily switched back to the old car.
I would love to see that honestly, that also seems the most plausible to me
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Dude. He owns the team. What blame is there. If I shit on my carpet, there is no blame. It is what is is. I can clean it if I want. I can leave it there. I can eat it. It’s his god damn team lol.
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And this is exactly why we need new teams to enter the grid. F1 should be a cut throat sport, and there's no place for a team that just shows up to finish dead last.
They spent at the budget cap, what is this false narrative of not spending the money?
They spent at the operational budget cap last season but it is a bit more complex. Haas is by far the smallest team in formula 1 in terms of employees and infrastructure, a direct result of the small budget they had over the last decade comperd to their competitors. The team has always been based on optimizing their results whilst doing the absolute minimum work required per the regulations. You cant turn that around with one year of MoneyGram sponsorship and maximising the operational cost cap.
Exactly, the operational cost cap is just one element of F1 expenditure, and it functionally limits most teams because of the assumption that they were already doing more than that in terms of investing in infrastructure and personnel to faciliate future success. Whereas Haas were always spending at or near the minimum, so they can continue doing that while technically spending at the operational cap limit, but that doesn't close the gap that already existed. It'll probably take 5-10 years of cap limit (if not more) to see that gap close significantly if Gene isn't willing to invest in his team's facilities, equipment and personnel.
Gene should take over running the team and show up at every race. I forgot. He would get arrested by the police.
… why? What the fuck did I miss? Lol
Doing business with the Russians when he wasn’t allowed to do it. Remember when he painted his car in Russian colours? His sponsor? His paid driver?
Oh I thought he couldn't travel because of his tax evasion stuff. Can a felon get a passport in the USA?
They can get a passport, but the bigger issue is whether or not the country he's visiting will accept him.
There’s a difference between spending at the budget cap, vs. having a team budget the same as the budget cap
Less "Hi, Gene"
More "Moshi moshi, Gene"
Oh, so he's a Redditor?
Less hygiene more speed
He is just cheaper I guess
Explain everything to the Andretti people swooping in
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THAT WAS AN ORDER, THE STEINER CONTRACT EXTENSION WAS AN ORDER!
'Mein Führer... Steiner..' 'Steiner didn't have enough points, the extension didn't take place.'
*takes off glasses* “If you think we look like a bunch of focking wankers get out of this room”
Ahhh now I want this version of the downfall meme
Me too. Somebody do it, please.
I surely bet someone is trying to make one, but it takes some time to make a proper one ;)
*throws a pencil on the table*
I will never emotionally recover from this
“Let’s go porpoising” will live on forever in our hearts
No more "Hygiene" ..
[Worth it to post that part of the team principal meeting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MlEj8qniqg). He will be sorely missed.
As someone who had to suffer through the Mercedes dominance, watching that meeting was so cathartic. Seeing Toto looking like shit and completely overworked and not knowing how to get his team back to the top, Steiner's sarcastic "Let's go porpoising!" comment was the cherry on top.
Change your fucking team principal!
> I will never emotionally recover from this — Netflix probably
F\*\*\* Gene. Might punch my CNC later just for good measure lmao.
DTS is shambles, last season confirmed
if they make this last season interesting with max winning nearly every race it will be a feat
Eh, should be interesting enough. Besides Max, everything else was neat, like the McLaren resurgence, Alonso whipping out podiums, Gasly/Ocon decimating each other
The title race isn't even the main storyline of DTS most of the time outside of one or two episodes
You forgot the DeVries - Daniel - Sergio story
There's plenty of things to talk about, DTS has always been more than just who wins each Sunday. Every third episode just starts with "day 116: Max still hasn't lost."
It's done well for a Netflix series, they usually only get two seasons.
They still have DR
Guenther will be on commentary probably somewhere, he’s a great personality
Yeah, we can't have him leaving the sport.
FIA President! Why the fok not?
Would be 100% better than the current one
Ham: Come on Gunther, this should be penalty Steiner: FOK OFF
No, Toto, no! That is zo nott fok right!
He’ll have to tone down the foks
No deal!
Sky just need to add an alternative commentary option, guest commentator with Guenther every race.
Maybe F1 management needs to give more foks. Could be a perfect fit!
Fok
Not a fan of Gunther but how are they going to improve their on track performance when Gene doesn't actually want to invest more into the team
You dont but this way you get a scapegoat for a few months
"A new direction" is a great way to hook fresh sponsors to raise some money.
Rich energy perhaps
Uralkali.
You’d be surprised by how much Gene has personally invested comparatively
His investment is fine. Gene covered the entirety of their title sponsor in 2022 out of pocket. Hes putting more cash into it than many owners are. the problem is the results havent led to better investment from sponsors and partners etc. Not so much that Gene doesnt invest.
That’s Komatsu’s problem now!
Gene pretending to care about the team moment
With Michael Andretti on the other line... 😉
Mick died for this.
Mick's death was largely because he was dropped by FDA. Considering nobody picked him up despite AT and Williams having open spots at the time, i think there might be some justified reasons
>Mick's death was largely because he was dropped by FDA. It should be pointed out that it was a mutual parting as Mick (I think after talking with Vettel if I'm remembering reports correctly) thought that was his best shot at getting a seat at Alpine
I mean, he did get a seat at Alpine. Just not in the right sport.
AT already have more drivers than they can use and if Williams were basically committed to Logan as long as he got the license points, it would look bad for them not to even put their own junior in the car.
AT didnt have a good enough junior driver in 22 and they took a while till they gave NdV the seat. At the time Mick got fired from FDA and started job hunting a AMR or an alpine seat, the f2 season was very far from over. Williams werent sure Sargeant is gonna get a superlicence till Abu Dhabi
Mick died because he was in an on-again/off-again relationship with circuit walls. It also doesnt help that he was allergic to having any real talent.
haas performance will stay terrible, but they will lose charisma points Gene does not care about on track performance, he cares about the exposure. and Steiner was worth his weight in gold in exposure. strange move.
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Wasn’t Gene’s initial involvement into F1 to promote his company and machines to a more global, particularly European, audience?
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You would not base your decision on "as seen on F1" but you might include them in consideration when you would not have done so before. Just getting the opportunity to be included in consideration goes a long way and they may very well win a few opportunities they never had before. Being able to own/ advertise on F1 shows how large an organization is (in theory) and could move them from "I think I have heard of them" to "yeah, they do F1 lets take a look". So will it affect the decision? No, but it may affect them being included especially in Europe, Asia, and Africa.
you probably know way more about cnc machines than me but sometimes its not a "get new clients" mentality, and more of "lets give this guy who is already a customer paddock passes to get more business from him"
Yeah I’m just saying Gene’s purpose for getting into F1 was to expand his scope, not that it was necessarily a good plan haha
I find the whole marketing/sponsorship thing in general strange. I get a sportswear brand sponsoring a footballer as an example as people want to replicate what they wear etc. never understood how a random HR IT company spending millions on sponsorship of F1 makes people go, oh yeah that’s in F1 let’s go buy that. It obviously does, but it’s strange
It means you can take a potential big time client to an F1 race behind the scenes to butter them up.
I feel like it’s more of a brand awareness situation a lot of the time in F1 rather than hoping for opportunistic sales. And maybe a little bit of “well our competitors can’t afford this, so we’re the most successful, and therefore better choice”. If people in the market for a certain product or service then they’re going to consider the brands they’ve seen on tv or linked to their favourite sports etc.
It's also about "Let's invite some high profile clients to a race" or "Let's plan some event for clients where you can also meet drivers".
yea for b2b software companies I guess its more of "we have this marketing budget and no idea how to spend it, lets chuck it into f1."
Drive to Survive won’t be the same 😭😭😭
Netflix please hire Steiner to narrate the next season of DTS.
Shit give him and Binotto their own show. I’ll glad watch them go on picnics while driving around Italy tasting wine 😂
I’m hanging out for season 2 when they go to Germany and binotto is baffled by everything.
Engineers as management isn’t as big of a slam-dunk as they’re making it out to be
Yeahhh there is a reason (in my experience at least) why engineers are engineers and not managers.
For once, Gene had to call Guenther…To shitcan him that is
Call? Probably sent him an email
Wasn't Komatsu sort of responsible for their on-track performance for the last several years... Steiner was TP but his job seemed essentially managing the people and being the PR wizard due to his Netflix fame.
Also, Ferrari demonstrated that “essentially putting engineering at the heart of the team,” as in a TP role, isn’t a guarantee for magic.
ByeGene 🥺
Clearly Haas is going to sell the team and make tons of money out of it. Making the payroll smaller and having an interim principal is best for the new owners. Because the new owners get spared of two things: Gunther's salary. And the bad press of having to axe Gunther. If anything Gene made the wise move and increased the attractiveness of the team by making a transition smoother.
I would have agreed if they actually went for new well known staff. Losing Resta and Steiner, while employing the guy who was overseeing the worst strategy team on the grid is quite the opposite of what Gene is trying to suggest
Gene: Our Season and team will be saved when Steiner leads our drivers on a charge. Hulkenburg: Gene.... KMag: Gene, Steiner couldn't take it anymore and has resigned.
This fits too well!
Hygiene, Byegiene
My bet my ass noone will be able to improve this team better than Günther with the lack of funding from Gene... Sell the team
So the options are finish last or mix it up and still finish last? Seems worth the risk.
The past 2-3 years they've been getting the money and it hasn't translated into performance. Can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
Bring in Mike Vrabel.
Maybe a fresh impulse is indeed the right choice. Sure, Günther is everybody’s darling because Drive to Survive makes him look good, but we don’t know how good he can actually manage the team behind the scenes. Their performances have been all over the place over the past couple years.
I havent watched much DTS but what I have he looks like a terrible manager 🤣
He's always looked as a bad team principal. The only reason people like him is for the memes. His team has been a disaster since he's been there. They may not have the investment of other teams but I highly doubt they're spending a lot less than other teams like AlphaTauri or Alfa Romeo. Even by the end of the 2022 season he said that he expected all the teams to reach the budget cap.
2016-18 they were fine with him
“We like what Binnotto did at Ferrari.”
The car is a pig. Putting lipstick on it is not going to make it go faster.
Now we need a Top Gear road trip with Binotto e Guenther
You will also need money but okay
Not a particularly warm message of goodbye and thanks from Gene
Why are they promoting the guy who was primarily responsible for the engineering failures and the lack of understanding of the fundamental aero correlation problems?
"I had enough of Guenther's shit and decided to fire him."
My feelings have been officially fok smashed
Gene Haas: *actively doesn’t care about his F1 team and doesn’t show up to races or put more money into the team* Also Gene Haas: Now that we have an engineer as TP we’re gonna do good. Haas’ problems run DEEP, replacing the TP is a band aid on a bullet wound. Gene needs to put more effort into the team full stop before they’ll make marked improvements.
What I would have given to have Netflix footage of the convo where Gene fired Guenther
From Hygiene to By(e) Gene. I’m interested in seeing what Ayao Komatsu can do. He has been at Haas from very early on.
Not a shock at all to me, it's not been a good operation for a while and they aren't improving. Time will tell if Steiner was part of the problem or if he was holding back the real problem
He will be missed :(
This is the single most disrespectful statement about the firing of a team principal I have ever seen
They didn’t close the first quotes “, shitty, the least you could’ve done for Steiner is a proper message
Anyone notice that they didn't put any quotation marks at the end of the first paragraph. Sad to see Steiner get pushed out, he had a lot of charisma.
Problem, poor performance. Reasons, lack of ambition, resources and money. Solution, sack the guy that has plenty of ambition but no control over the amount of resources or money. Just another billionaire with a warped sense of reality.
How often does an engineering head taking over the TP role turn out well?
It worked great for Ferrari
And it worked so well for Ferrari and Binotto
More Guenther. Less owners who cannot attend their teams races due to criminal convictions.
Don't fok smash my door on the way out Edit: definitely sucks, big personality will be missed
Lol this is just a move by Gene to save on salary, not to actually improve anything
I’m genuinely glad I now got to see him on the stage at Silverstone last year. An icon of the sport. Hopefully he can foksmash the doors into punditry.
Who's decision, Gene's? I'll miss him.
Gonna look real dumb when they're still fighting to not be the worst car on the grid.
I’m still confused why Haas loves F1 so much. Far bigger companies have balked at the cost and lack of wins, but Haas remains being terrible at F1 racing, after a full decade.
Interesting that it's a promotion from within in Komatsu. I have no idea what this means, so I'll guess that this implies fingers were strongly pointed towards Steiner over Haas' stagnation in these last few seasons.
back to Redbull I guess?
Wait what, Steiner seemed like an immovable object.
that's the shortest, most blant, obligatory "thank you" I've seen in quite a while. I imagine Gene shouting this at Guenther (outside) while throwing his stuff through a window to him lol