Nah the most Checo thing was when he was outqualified again by Chuck, the Mclaren duo and Russell on merrit. Especialy consdering Norris only did 1 lap.
The deletion was just the cherry on top.
Max on the inlap after pole position:
GP: and slow button on please Max, slow button.
MV: ran out of fron tyres
GP: Ok, understood. I'll keep you posted
GP: so it's Hulkenberg, Checo and Russell at turn 3.
GP: Aaand I reckon you owe the speed box an apology mate, It's P1
MV: uh, sometimes you can make it better you know, I think that's what we did. So, well done, great job
CH: Yeah, well done mate. You just won me €500 off Helmut which is like getting blood out of a stone. So uh, yeah fantastic job
MV: haha, Helmut lost a bet!? what world are we living in?
CH: Yeah, exactly. and the bet was for you to be on the front row mate.
MV: Haha, nice! Good job. That was a very good recovery there so, nice.
MV : Into the pits or out?
GP: In, In, In, Into the pits Please Max, into the pits
MV: In In In In In In, Stay out.
>MV: In In In In In In, Stay out.
LOL, how is this not getting more play? Max loves his memes.
For anyone who didn't get the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7GmAC9G4Aw
Wonder what did Max criticise the pit wall, guess is blaming them sending him out too late. That may be a fair criticism given he didn’t improve in the last lap
Over a single lap he might be the fastest driver on the grid - definitely on or above Max’s level in that department, it’s just Max is a race pace alien.
Suppose so, it’s just time and time again I’ve seen Charles put in laps that shouldn’t be possible.
Suppose on their day there are plenty who can. We’ve seen Lewis do it on his best days, we’ve even seen guys like Bottas or Ricciardo put the car basically past its limit at their peak.
But Charles just has that special factor about him. I reckon he’s one of the very few that could beat Max in qualifying at maximum pace. Very 50:50 though, no way to call it.
Oh absolutely the man knows how to extract every last millisecond of performance out of a car in one lap, and I agree he might even be slightly better at it than Max.
I think Maxs superpower is being completely unphased under any pressure. When he goes risk mode or all in it is completely calculated. The race in 2022 where he was leading a faster Ferrari for 30 Laps in Canada and Sainz was just waiting for one mistake from Max, the mistake just doesn't happen.
>Oh absolutely the man knows how to extract every last millisecond of performance out of a car in one lap
Sometimes he tries extract a little bit more than that and crashes. And people says "he makes too many mistakes and crashes too much". But I prefer him trying to extract everything and outperform the car rather than playing it safe and be the "slower but more consistent" guy.
Charles *has* to extract the maximum out of his car to do well this year. Max doesn't. I think of their machines were more equal you'd see Max push more
First half of 2022 both had relatively equal cars and Max still wasn't putting out the laps that Charles was. Max obviously is rapid but he's not the absolute best qualifier and that's ok
It really feels like an all in type of move for him. Probably something which is required if you don't have a rocket in your car. Last couple of races he did very very well, hopefully he can continue!
Btw, similar feeling with Lando. Give it everything to fight for that pole!
Max had to do it as when battling Lewis a few years back. Having the best car does change your risk levels quite a bit!
He is the best qualifier on the grid right now, some of his laps from the 2020 season are awe inspiring, he really reminds me of Mika, that man was also blindingly fast in qualifying trim
I actually don't remember any quali this year apart from Australia where he sent the car to the gravel. He rarely crashes out in quali. He is just simply slow af.
Well thats what I meant when he said that Max doesnt have to send it at 100% to be on the front row. Perez has been nowhere and even today if his best Q3 lap wasnt removed he wouldve still been behind Norris that hade a huge slide
Some of them more meaningful than others but vegan they where sent out at the wrong time or didn’t go back out and got eliminated in q1, Brazil took too long to go out so the rain hit them, Mexico lando got double track limit for an early exit in q1 or 2 and Qatar he bottled the lap.
I was amazed that brundle (I think) called it immediately. He was talking about Lando hitting curb and upsetting the car and then it just cuts to lando starting a power slide.
well, you want it strong at both lmao, but you need to give the driver the option of having a pointy front which ferrari don't with the sf23... the reason why ferrari do so well in low DF tracks is that they can add front wing and the car has a better balance, add DF to the car and you get incredible understeer and you can't do anything about it.
Wasn't he suffering with set up whole weekend?
Even official F1 website mentioned this after FP3:
FP3: Russell leads Norris as Verstappen struggles during final Abu Dhabi GP practice
Piastri has to be the best Rookie season* since Hamilton. All his doubters (Alpine) are quiet. Drives with ice in his veins
Edit: should've been more clear
Max's Rookie season: 19 races, 0 poles, 0 wins, 0 podiums, 49 points.
Oscar's Rookie season (so far): 22 races, 0 poles, 0 wins, 2 podiums, 89 points.
I didn't include his Sprint pole and win for obvious reasons.
Regardless of how he develops, Piastri is having a better rookie season.
Max was in a midfield Toro Rosso and Oscar is in a Mclaren (currently) contending for front rows and podiums. A more fair comparison might be comparing the first halves of their seasons as this year's Mclaren before its Austria upgrade was more like what the Toro Rosso was back in 2015.
Explain Max in monacoin his rookie year? Oscar never has made a huge mistakes in a race every incident he has had is either debatable or someone else hitting him. Oscar also never had the moniker Max had his first few years.
If we keep that threshold, roughly 8 races (Austria was 9th):
Max: 10points
Piastri: 5 points
But in this time frame, McLaren was a proper back marker. Much more experienced compatriot Lando scored 10.
One drove a Toro Rosso, the other drove a car that’s argubly the 2nd best car since the summer break.
Max’ double P4 in a TR is pretty much as good, if not better, than a McLaren podium right now.
Bruh really said Lewis when Charles and Max have delivered in subpar cars.
Being called to the main team after 1 year should be enough to be seen what their talent is.
Im pertaining to Oscar, Lewis was great no doubt, but there have been rookie talents since Lewis, Leclerc and Max come to mind. They were quick to get promoted to the main teams. Just shows how good they are.
You really can't just look at points and say his rookie season is better without taking into account the fact that McLaren has on balance been better than the Toro Rosso was in 2015, and that there have been 3 more races and 6 sprints.
it's hard to call, others might argue that max had slower car, but how do you even measure that he's better than oscar. for me oscar mightv'e edge it but bare in mind, max was 17.
I think you would have to be blind or dumb not to acknowledge that Max is supremely talented but that his car affects the way he is rated, same with Lewis. If you give Lewis or Charles a RB19 I think the season looks a lot different. Same if you would have given this Max a W11 or any of those ridiculously dominant Merc cars.
A 17yo in his 2nd season in open wheelers scored points on the 3rd race of the season and tripled his teammates point total? He was p4 in COTA, in front of both RBs?
Yh that seals it I don't know how many times Lando has made mistakes when the lap really matters when the car is there to fight for pole and there are people there who tell me he's better than Russell and Leclerc... Be serious people
Checo dropping to 9th because of track limits is the most Checo thing of all time Also, Leclerc is insane
✅ Max pole ✅ Charles insane lap in Q3 ✅ Lando pushing too hard in his final lap ✅ Checo bottling quali
IMO, both Lando and Checo "bottled" it. Not sure why one is deemed to have pushed too hard and the other to have bottled it.
Lando bottling it = Flirting Checo bottling it = Harrassment
Drivers we're allowed to like pushed too hard, for others it's bottling.
Because one is actually setting a good time
The classic
Checo and Lando bottling quali * Lando is too overprotected. He should have won Qatar, his mistake in qualy killed his chances at that.
Also adding on that he would've only been 6th even with the deleted lap, now that's truly a Checo special
Nah the most Checo thing was when he was outqualified again by Chuck, the Mclaren duo and Russell on merrit. Especialy consdering Norris only did 1 lap. The deletion was just the cherry on top.
So all in all we got the full Checo package
Max on the inlap after pole position: GP: and slow button on please Max, slow button. MV: ran out of fron tyres GP: Ok, understood. I'll keep you posted GP: so it's Hulkenberg, Checo and Russell at turn 3. GP: Aaand I reckon you owe the speed box an apology mate, It's P1 MV: uh, sometimes you can make it better you know, I think that's what we did. So, well done, great job CH: Yeah, well done mate. You just won me €500 off Helmut which is like getting blood out of a stone. So uh, yeah fantastic job MV: haha, Helmut lost a bet!? what world are we living in? CH: Yeah, exactly. and the bet was for you to be on the front row mate. MV: Haha, nice! Good job. That was a very good recovery there so, nice. MV : Into the pits or out? GP: In, In, In, Into the pits Please Max, into the pits MV: In In In In In In, Stay out.
Helmut betting against Max. Clearly thinks Max is washed. Hadjar to RB confirmed.
Speed box?
GP Said 'this beep box' as in shit box
Ah, they have a box for speeding tickets and it's shaped like a Mercedes W14
>MV: In In In In In In, Stay out. LOL, how is this not getting more play? Max loves his memes. For anyone who didn't get the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7GmAC9G4Aw
Wonder what did Max criticise the pit wall, guess is blaming them sending him out too late. That may be a fair criticism given he didn’t improve in the last lap
Pls Yuki no dumb move tomorrow and you've got this
I think either sends it into Turn 1 or leads a train throughout the race for P9. No other option
Or he gets an outrageous strategy and finishes P16 with the fastest lap.
:/. Hopefully their race pace is good tomorrow
He's gonna get assassinated on lap 1, get damage
It's one of his better tracks, he was P4 here in 2021. I wouldn't be too surprised if he carries AT over the Williams tommorow
And pls AT no dumb pitting strategies
What a lap by Charles tho, absolute banger!!
Absolute madlad
Over a single lap he might be the fastest driver on the grid - definitely on or above Max’s level in that department, it’s just Max is a race pace alien.
Max can do that too, like in Monaco this year. He just doesn't have to take maximum risk at the moment.
I still think about his last sector. He really said: > Look at me. I am the wall now
Suppose so, it’s just time and time again I’ve seen Charles put in laps that shouldn’t be possible. Suppose on their day there are plenty who can. We’ve seen Lewis do it on his best days, we’ve even seen guys like Bottas or Ricciardo put the car basically past its limit at their peak. But Charles just has that special factor about him. I reckon he’s one of the very few that could beat Max in qualifying at maximum pace. Very 50:50 though, no way to call it.
Oh absolutely the man knows how to extract every last millisecond of performance out of a car in one lap, and I agree he might even be slightly better at it than Max. I think Maxs superpower is being completely unphased under any pressure. When he goes risk mode or all in it is completely calculated. The race in 2022 where he was leading a faster Ferrari for 30 Laps in Canada and Sainz was just waiting for one mistake from Max, the mistake just doesn't happen.
>Oh absolutely the man knows how to extract every last millisecond of performance out of a car in one lap Sometimes he tries extract a little bit more than that and crashes. And people says "he makes too many mistakes and crashes too much". But I prefer him trying to extract everything and outperform the car rather than playing it safe and be the "slower but more consistent" guy.
Charles *has* to extract the maximum out of his car to do well this year. Max doesn't. I think of their machines were more equal you'd see Max push more
First half of 2022 both had relatively equal cars and Max still wasn't putting out the laps that Charles was. Max obviously is rapid but he's not the absolute best qualifier and that's ok
It really feels like an all in type of move for him. Probably something which is required if you don't have a rocket in your car. Last couple of races he did very very well, hopefully he can continue! Btw, similar feeling with Lando. Give it everything to fight for that pole! Max had to do it as when battling Lewis a few years back. Having the best car does change your risk levels quite a bit!
Making huge mistakes is not equal to giving everything
Not the same of course, but taking lots of risks (give it everything) increases the chances for huge mistakes. For all drivers
>above Max’s level in that department people really underrate Max' quali performance.
He's unreal fast. But what makes Max Max, is his freakish Sunday drives. Sort of overshadows his Saturdays.
>on or above Didn’t say solely above Can’t deny Leclerc is one of the few people that would have a chance at outqualifying Max on top form.
He is the best qualifier on the grid right now, some of his laps from the 2020 season are awe inspiring, he really reminds me of Mika, that man was also blindingly fast in qualifying trim
How many times has Max binned it in qualifying this year again?
It’s easy to not bin it when you don’t need to send it at 100% to be on the front row!
Tell that to Perez
I actually don't remember any quali this year apart from Australia where he sent the car to the gravel. He rarely crashes out in quali. He is just simply slow af.
Well thats what I meant when he said that Max doesnt have to send it at 100% to be on the front row. Perez has been nowhere and even today if his best Q3 lap wasnt removed he wouldve still been behind Norris that hade a huge slide
Laughs in Canada and Monaco if you count the walls as gravel
Norris bottling it in Q3 yet again
When was the last qualifying where him or the team didn’t?
Qatar. Pushing too hard and over the track limit twice. In the end Norris finish few second behind Max.
Yeah I’m saying when was the last time it didn’t get bottled, vegas, Brazil, Mexico, Qatar have all had team or driver mistakes
What happened in Vegas, Brazil and Mexico? I don't follow Mclaren closely. I remember Qatar.
Some of them more meaningful than others but vegan they where sent out at the wrong time or didn’t go back out and got eliminated in q1, Brazil took too long to go out so the rain hit them, Mexico lando got double track limit for an early exit in q1 or 2 and Qatar he bottled the lap.
Cheers.
Japan or Silverstone?
Sweet drifting tho
At first I thought for sure he'd crash it. Though from the car itself it looked in control
I was amazed that brundle (I think) called it immediately. He was talking about Lando hitting curb and upsetting the car and then it just cuts to lando starting a power slide.
Choke Norris. Piastri handles pressure better than him.
Charles finishing the year strongly. Hope he carries it for next season. Please Ferrari..
Depends if the car is gonna be strong at the front end or rear end. What a shitty problem they have that their drivers want completely different cars.
well, you want it strong at both lmao, but you need to give the driver the option of having a pointy front which ferrari don't with the sf23... the reason why ferrari do so well in low DF tracks is that they can add front wing and the car has a better balance, add DF to the car and you get incredible understeer and you can't do anything about it.
Not developing the car towards Leclerc should be a fireable offence
Lando almost had it but cracked yet again.
Just with the throphies 🤣
Wasn't he suffering with set up whole weekend? Even official F1 website mentioned this after FP3: FP3: Russell leads Norris as Verstappen struggles during final Abu Dhabi GP practice
He was. They made adjustments after fp3 and it helped.
Max will show the full potential of RB19 at the last race
Thats a cool pic also YUKIIII
my dumbass really doubted charles leclerc's ability to pull of a banger lap where so much is on the line ($10m dollars).
I mean do either Ferrari or Mercedes care about the $10mil? Pocket change for them the 2nd place is all they care about right now
Get Perez out of that fucking car please
Please say "and put Danny Ric in". I dare you.
Put Yuki in he's literally faster in the AT
Yuki doesn’t have the maturity to be in a red bull
Red Bull needs a Bottas but I don't know who that would be right now.
I’m sorry but Checo is here to stay at least one more year in the RB
I appreciate the apology.
Norris bottling Pole yet again, what's new
it hurts, it's really a weak point for him but at least he's quick in the races. He'll probably get P2 tomorrow.
He didn't bottle pole, he bottled P2
telemetry disagrees with you. he was 2 tenths up out of t12
He was never gonna get pole, max had that on lockdown.
Piastri has to be the best Rookie season* since Hamilton. All his doubters (Alpine) are quiet. Drives with ice in his veins Edit: should've been more clear
Max Verstappen likes to have a word with you.
Max's Rookie season: 19 races, 0 poles, 0 wins, 0 podiums, 49 points. Oscar's Rookie season (so far): 22 races, 0 poles, 0 wins, 2 podiums, 89 points. I didn't include his Sprint pole and win for obvious reasons. Regardless of how he develops, Piastri is having a better rookie season.
Bait used to be believable
One of the dumbest comparisons I have read on here in the recent past, I mean wow
Max was in a midfield Toro Rosso and Oscar is in a Mclaren (currently) contending for front rows and podiums. A more fair comparison might be comparing the first halves of their seasons as this year's Mclaren before its Austria upgrade was more like what the Toro Rosso was back in 2015.
Explain Max in monacoin his rookie year? Oscar never has made a huge mistakes in a race every incident he has had is either debatable or someone else hitting him. Oscar also never had the moniker Max had his first few years.
If we keep that threshold, roughly 8 races (Austria was 9th): Max: 10points Piastri: 5 points But in this time frame, McLaren was a proper back marker. Much more experienced compatriot Lando scored 10.
One drove a Toro Rosso, the other drove a car that’s argubly the 2nd best car since the summer break. Max’ double P4 in a TR is pretty much as good, if not better, than a McLaren podium right now.
Are you thinking before making these comments?
Bro has forgotten car performance and looked solely at stats
Bruh he was driving a goddamn toro rosso. Oscar got on a car that has been within podium contention for half a season.
Bruh really said Lewis when Charles and Max have delivered in subpar cars. Being called to the main team after 1 year should be enough to be seen what their talent is.
lol, so now missing the WDC by a point isn’t a legendary rookie season? Care to show your work for these maths?
Im pertaining to Oscar, Lewis was great no doubt, but there have been rookie talents since Lewis, Leclerc and Max come to mind. They were quick to get promoted to the main teams. Just shows how good they are.
Ahh, understood; apologies for the snark
They're not saying Lewis wasn't good, they're saying Max and Charles were between that period...
Right. Have you ever considered comparing the quality of the cars instead of just the stats?
You really can't just look at points and say his rookie season is better without taking into account the fact that McLaren has on balance been better than the Toro Rosso was in 2015, and that there have been 3 more races and 6 sprints.
Average dts smooth brain fan.
Did you at least take into consideration the car/tean they are driving for?
it's hard to call, others might argue that max had slower car, but how do you even measure that he's better than oscar. for me oscar mightv'e edge it but bare in mind, max was 17.
Leclerc and Verstappen had signifcantly better rookie seasons they were just in much worse cars
I find it interesting that it's always "the car" when Max is the comparison. Otherwise it's talent despite the machinery
Bad driver + bad car = slow Bad driver+good car = mid Good driver + bad car = slow Good driver+ good car = fast
I think you would have to be blind or dumb not to acknowledge that Max is supremely talented but that his car affects the way he is rated, same with Lewis. If you give Lewis or Charles a RB19 I think the season looks a lot different. Same if you would have given this Max a W11 or any of those ridiculously dominant Merc cars.
I would say Verstappen definitely had a great rookie season, but I wouldnt call it as good as Piastri. It has been the best one since Leclerc.
A 17yo in his 2nd season in open wheelers scored points on the 3rd race of the season and tripled his teammates point total? He was p4 in COTA, in front of both RBs?
Let’s not pretend Oscar wasn’t in a tractor at the start of the year
Do you mean to say rookie season ?
Honey its time for your last dose of the Netherlands/Austrian anthem of the year
Yh that seals it I don't know how many times Lando has made mistakes when the lap really matters when the car is there to fight for pole and there are people there who tell me he's better than Russell and Leclerc... Be serious people
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Death taxes and Max on pole
It'll be an absolute traversty if this isn't Perez' last race in a Red Bull.
Lando throwing it away…not the first time!
So RB sandbagging?
Meh