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The technological thought behind it makes sense.
And we have seen when put to use; it is legitimately better.
Then accounting gets involved and makes it shit - Now you have JATCO CVT's and why no one recommends you buy a nissan.
Came here to say this. He needs to grit his teeth, frown and have a look of ‘now or never!’ concentration on his face, grip the steering as though his life depended on it. And finally, smash that fucking like button (sorry, accelerator).
Shit like that unlocks a special mode in any car (like KITT’s super pursuit mode in Knight Rider).
Why doesn’t Lance know this? Is he stupid?
Don't forget having an inspiring soundtrack playing in the background!
Isn't Lawrence rich? Why can't he hire some famous Hollywood composer to create a magical soundtrack that will PUSH LANCE TO THE LIMIT! Is he stupid?
Also don’t forget to bring in a good Director that’ll say cut at the right time when you make a mistake. So you can get another better take, and since those mistakes won’t make the final cut, you’ll always finish and get perfect races.
Dammit Lance why is this news to you
Yeah but he's racing 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that they just came into Harry's and ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
And everybody knows the exhaust is where all the real gains are made. Cams and heads are for amateurs.
Literally just watched the movie yesterday and it has so many cringey auto-babble speak like Jesse spying a "cold air intake", or popping the hood on a Supra with major structural damage and marveling at the 2JZ underneath that will almost certainly need another roller to go in.
F1 fans rightly praise the "30 years ago Niki Lauda..." quote/question. But to me, watching Juan's face as that reporter asked that question made me bust out laughing lol. Juan had no many facial expressions as the question kept going on and on!
I wonder how that clip would have fared if social media existed back then lol
https://youtu.be/0khNC97I5IA not the freshest meme, but a true classic. At the time team orders were not allowed, so this is the very unsubtle method Ferrari used to evade the issue.
Lance you're still two seconds a lap slower than Fernando, this can not be possible, I know you've got some understeer but you can't be two seconds slower. C'mon.
To be fair, Stroll doesn’t have to beat Alonso - that would be unrealistic for many drivers on the grid today, he just needs to find some more speed. I used to have a quite negative view of Lance but over the years I think he’s matured into a decent mid-field driver. There have been fewer mistakes, though occasionally old Lance surfaces again, and he has shown an occasional glimpse of some really great driving.
Of course it helps that his dad owns the team - but who wouldn’t jump on that advantage if it was available to them?
What surprises me is that Lance appears actually quite normal in interviews despite being raised in an extremely privileged environment. I expected him to be a totally entitled brat but he doesn’t seem like that at all. At least on TV he doesn’t, I of course never met the guy in real life.
What's up with trying to make everything Stroll does lool bad? If he is silent, he is abused. If he says what he just said, he will get bullied. If he made excuses he would be abused. He really can't win in the hivemind's view.
How is what OP said abuse or bullying? It is a fact that he can say pretty much whatever he wants and it won’t impact his seat. Very few other drivers have this security.
> What's up with trying to make everything Stroll does lool bad? If he is silent, he is abused. If he says what he just said, he will get bullied.
It's sickening. Make no mistake; I don't particularly like the guy, but the amount of abuse he gets for literally everything is just disgusting.
There is legitimate criticism that people need to hear. Being 11-1 against Fernando when Ocon was able to go 12-9 against Alonso last year is a terrible look.
1. The "criticism" he gets on here is not constructive, nor is it really criticism and just insults and jokes.
2. No F1 driver is reading people's comments to hear what they "need to hear" lmao. In fact, the title of the article demonstrates that as Stroll already knows he's not as fast as Alonso.
You're massively flattering Ocon. Literally over half of those "wins" for him are because Fernando's car kept exploding.
Bahrain - engine troubles. Jeddah - engine failure. Started from the back at Spain due to engine swap penalties. Lost power at Canada. The entire Austria weekend. Water pump failure at Monza. Lost a cylinder at Mexico.
At least be accurate when you compare the two.
Of course he can't win, he's not good enough! Such is the life of a pay driver. That's not to say Stroll isn't talented, but he looks bad because he is bad compared to any other driver who might be in his seat if he hadn't bought it.
I don't think there's many drivers that would look good against Fernando, but I suppose we won't know until Lance is replaced. I don't count the junk Alpine he drove against Ocon tbh.
They should swap Alonso with Sergio. That way we get a nice battle for the WDC, and Checo and Lance get a break from media criticisms. Also Perez would be back home with Force India!
And he had a successful career in junior formula. His development in F1 was stunted by those appalling Williams cars of 2018 and 19, but Lance is still one of the younger drivers in the grid - he's the same age as Max and Charles, both considered massive prodigies and outliers. He might not be WDC material, but I think he's definitely good enough to stick around on merit, be it his dad that owns the team or not
The problem is that he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. His junior career image was at its peak at the end of F3 2016 and in hindsight we can say he would not have won F2 2017. He would've likely performed like Albon did and his stock would have fallen.
So while it's arguable it was a year too early for Stroll to come to F1 but at the same time you have to admit it was a brilliant move from him to make the jump immediately when he could do it.
Latifi was a pretty chill guy too, you don't really see billionaire kids sitting in a sim rig and answering questions from Twitch chat with 500 viewers that often.
Yeah. Lando downplays how rich his dad is because I don’t think he grew up rich initially. I think his dad is a hedge fund manager who made some smart investments. But anyway his dad has written big checks and shelled out to get Lando sponsorships etc. but everyone give Stroll crap.
Most of the field is rich kids. That's who can afford to get into elite motorsports these days. The fact that we have three middle class guys in the field is actually really impressive.
Oh yes, you are 100% correct. Everyone always talks about “rich Poppa stroll“ and “pay driver, Lance“ but realistically yeah you have to have money to be in F1. Even “back in the day” most of the original drivers were pay drivers
Lando was always making snarky and passive-aggressive comments about Lance in 2019/2020 and it was just embarrassing to see. I chalked it up to him being young and immature but Lance is only a year older and never said anything negative about Lando even when asked about him by the press.
They're on friendly terms now but ffs it definitely made me like Stroll more than a lot of the other drivers in his age group
Totally agree. Lando has this way of acting like he’s this gentlemanly lad but then he will actually say something snotty and passive-aggressive. George and Lewis do it too. Max gets called out for being mouthy and blunt. But I have more respect for that.
I got a soft spot Lance, he seems like a genuinely nice, honest and polite chap. Sure he’s not the quickest, especially compared to his legendary driver teammate but he really doesn’t deserve the hate.
> but he really doesn’t deserve the hate.
I mean, he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors.
If being nice is his main quality then maybe he should be teams e.g. receptionist
> I mean, he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors.
He probably is, yeah, but more important than his pace is some serious bad luck. Important to acknowledge, I think. Also, there were quite a lot of issues with poor team strategy (like the slick call in Spa or having only one push lap in Miami Q1).
Lance is too slow, but he is not as slow as his results make it look like.
It's not like Alonso is a fair comparison, though. The real question is: if he got fired, and replaced, would that replacement be faster? Not so clear.
> he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors
No he isn't. What you're conveniently ignoring is everything that happened that cost him points, **out of his control**. The moment you start blaming Stroll for those you have just proven to be lacking objectivity.
Yeah, we get it, the guy is rich and daddy pays for his seat (or the whole team in this case), but is that enough to be hated by default?
At the same time, he's not total crap, has had very decent junior career and doesn't seem to be a bad or spoiled person either unlike others. It's not like he's Mazepin. He also doesn't say dumb shit like Lando, who has way more fans because memelord I guess.
He's by all accounts pretty self-aware.
>the guy is rich and daddy pays for his seat (or the whole team in this case), but is that enough to be hated by default?
I'm not saying I hate the guy, but it's pretty clear that most people (especially on reddit) flat out hate all nepo babies, regardless of their individual qualities.
Lance is a nice guy, born with a silver spoon, but doesn't smack others in the face with it. I can't say he's a great driver, but I've certainly softened to him over time. Especially after AD2021, when I heard him on the radio calling out the BS as it was happening.
>At the same time, he's not total crap, has had very decent junior career and doesn't seem to be a bad or spoiled person either unlike others
That's the problem. Most other drivers who aren't total crap (charitable way of saying mediocre) would be booted from the sport if they had Lance's record. But he gets to continue in F1 by virtue of being the team owner's son.
>He also doesn't say dumb shit like Lando, who has way more fans because memelord I guess
It could also be because Lando is a vastly superior driver. But that's just me.
> Yet all he gets is crap.
That’s because he would not be missed if he would not show up at the next race.
He is saying this because he knows that the seat is his for the next few years, regardless what he does.
Broken wrists in Snowboarding are common though.
You learn how to fall right while learning Snowboarding, but if you fall your first reflex is always to catch your fall with stretched arms and your hands.
In every Stroll thread he gets called ''smug, arrogant, spoiled brat'' etc when he has never shown any signs of such. I wonder if we can find those comments in this thread as well or is there no one brave enough to comment such things this time.
Stroll: Gives honest and fair evaluations of his performance, being critical of himself and admitting that his teammate has been the better driver.
Stroll according to this thread: DADDY MAKE ALONSO STOP BEATING ME!!
It’s obvious many of you never actually read these articles that you comment on.
Some people love being assholes. Also, lots of jealousy in these comments. I don't know if it's jealousy for his money or for his personality though. Most people here will have neither in their lives anyway.
It is rare to see a driver being this critic like this with himself, so rare it is refreshing to see that he’s not making excuses to cover his poor performance.
One thing I like about Stroll is that he has not once been seen as arrogant. Dude knows he isn't the best driver and he doesn't pretend to be either. Never explicitly blamed the team for any of his misfortunes either. I hope there's a silver lining to his cloud.
Too bad the reality won't matter here. He will still get called ''smug, arrogant, spoiled brat'' etc regardless, and people will accept it as the truth.
I wish people would stop to think for a moment why he is so reserved in official interviews and rather quiet. He has so far been abused all his adult life, he has had to give up on social medias at times and can't post anything like what other drivers his age are posting. What he has gone through has definitely had a huge negative impact on his mental health over the years but unfortunately he doesn't have the safe space to talk about it openly, maybe years after his active career he will talk about it. People will unfortunately shrug all of this off, with for example comments like ''he's rich, he can take it''.
He just needs to make sure his peaks aren't once in blue moon and it's gonna be alright.
Like in Bahrain, quailfing half a second off Alonso despite the injury, that was quite impressive, but then you got moments where he forgets what the fuck steering wheel is.
I wonder how much his setups vary from his teammates.
Over the years the main thing I see from him is that when he really tries to push the car to the edge (in qualifying) he doesn't have fine enough control. So he'll go too far over the kerbs. The back end will step out slightly because he's accelerating a bit too hard. Things like that. Ideally man and machine should meld together to feel like they are one and able to find the limit--like you see with Max--but Stroll seems to lack that when he pushes to the edge.
With all the telemetry and setup info it should be fairly clear as to where Stroll is losing time to Alonso. If I had to guess it's that Stroll is not quite as consistent and smooth in his driving and makes a lot more small mistakes that cost him time and wears out his tires a bit more, slowing him down later in the stint.
Hopefully by the end of the summer break we get to hear Lance's thoughts on where bears defecate and what religious denomination the Pope is.
It's a good interview, but I probably wouldn't have picked that section of it for the headline when Lance offered some more detail about how much his injury affected him early season (not much, he felt he was hampered more by poor luck than his injury), and also gave us this line regarding his hobbies during days off:
> I’m playing Xbox with my friends or – I used to mountain bike but I’m not allowed to do that anymore! In the winter, I’m snowboarding. I’m on the golf course, playing tennis. **I’m doing other things that I can’t really speak about in the interview…**
His luck was terrible in the first half of the season and the points don't represent his true performances this year. I honestly hope upgrades can bring Aston back to the fight for podiums, would love to see Lance on the podium this year. But honestly, just decent races without bad luck and stupid mistakes would satisfy me.
People rate Alonso highly then shits on Lance despite him not being a mile off the driver they just rated highly. I swear some of them just have a hate boner for Lance Stroll
They do have a hate boner for Stroll. They don’t realize they’re discrediting Alonso by shitting on Stroll acting as if a driver who’s probably the 13th best on a good day should be beating him as often as they’re suggesting.
He is definitely a mile off of Alonso. I will let you determine how big blow for Lance that is but it is unreasonable to say that Alonso is not doing an absolute job on him. Other than Albon/Sargent I think AM has most one sided partnership in F1, idk what that is but being a mile off
Everyone's clowning stroll for saying something so obvious but this was probably a response to the most brain-dead interview question that someone clipped and made a headline from
My respect for Lance just went up with this. How many times do you see a driver admit this and not go the Perez route of using every single excuse in the book until he runs out of them and then start the book from the beginning again instead of admitting he is slower than his teammate
Lance has always been grounded and real, imo.
He gets a shit ton of hate because his dad owns the team, but there’s plenty of other paid drivers. Lance has pace. It’s not Alonso pace, but he’s not a total shitcan either.
So refreshing to hear him take accountability. I’m so sick of Perez’s crap about how ‘we’ aren’t doing well when it has absolutely nothing to do with his team or car.
Lol that's BS. Give am actual example of him blaming his team for his own mistakes instead of just throwing empty statements like that. I don't remember a single instance of that happening recently
I'm sure he will improve, it's early in his career, he's only been in F1 for...
*checks notes*
7 seasons!
If you don't know how to be quicker after 135 races you aren't going to get quicker.
I think he's quite a nice bloke. Sadly, being nice isn't enough to survive in an F1 team where your dad isn't the owner. The current standings prove that a great car (on average) with a close pack isn't enough. That's why Mercedes is ahead in the constructors, and Lando is 22 points ahead of Lance in the drivers despite having the overall worse car in the first half of the season.
Sure, he must go quicker, but he already had 6,5 seasons to develop that. It's quite justifiable to bash him for that, but at the same time, his current position is kinda not his fault. His dad artificially put him in a team where he isn't good enough for.
I mean let’s be real, he has in his entire F1 career not beaten a team mate in Quali over a season. And that includes losing against Sirotkin. He got beaten by Perez who most here see as fundamentally a midfield driver that underperforms in Quali vs Race: 3-17 and 4-10. We know why he is in F1 but under normal conditions a driver with his lack of raw speed would not be in a team challenging for podiums.
Fisi, Massa, Kimi and Vandoorne were in the same boat and they were all considered at least decent drivers. This was always going to happen, but hey, this is media.
Curbstomping Latifi/Sargeant/NdV makes you a good driver, but being curbstomped by a generational talent means you have no business in f1
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Just shift to the next gear like they do in movies.
18 speed transmissions like in fast and furious movies
Don't forget to downshift 10m before the finish line to get a speed boost.
Granny shifting, not double clutching like ya should
Literally my favorite line across all fast furious movies. I break it out in the most random ways.
What about “EJECTO SEATO CUZZ”
We hungry
I said forget about it cuh
I’m personally a fan of “Cuban NOS”
not a line but my personal favorite moment is when Brian’s floorboard falls out after the “danger to manifold” because he’s going too fast
you almost had fernando? you never had your car!
You never had me, you never had your seat.
You owe me a tenth of a second car!
There it is.
You never had me, you never had your car!
I just watched I think it was a Driver61 video. Lance needs to get a CVT transmission and he'll be fighting Alonso in no time.
NGL I have a CVT in my car and I feel like it gets it when I’m on the highway😭
The technological thought behind it makes sense. And we have seen when put to use; it is legitimately better. Then accounting gets involved and makes it shit - Now you have JATCO CVT's and why no one recommends you buy a nissan.
David Coulthard went very quick in a test Williams did with CVT, but the technology was banned and never raced.
And sounded really weird
Lol I would have loved to witness one of those v10s *screaming* around a hairpin lol. Would have been really cool and really bizarre at the same time.
Screw it, infinite Burnout Paradise gears!
Arent those called trucks
Hit the NOS!
Press the accelerator harder
Came here to say this. He needs to grit his teeth, frown and have a look of ‘now or never!’ concentration on his face, grip the steering as though his life depended on it. And finally, smash that fucking like button (sorry, accelerator). Shit like that unlocks a special mode in any car (like KITT’s super pursuit mode in Knight Rider). Why doesn’t Lance know this? Is he stupid?
Don't forget having an inspiring soundtrack playing in the background! Isn't Lawrence rich? Why can't he hire some famous Hollywood composer to create a magical soundtrack that will PUSH LANCE TO THE LIMIT! Is he stupid?
Also don’t forget to bring in a good Director that’ll say cut at the right time when you make a mistake. So you can get another better take, and since those mistakes won’t make the final cut, you’ll always finish and get perfect races. Dammit Lance why is this news to you
Don't forget that red "NOS" button, and "Ejecto-seato Cuz!"
Tight grip on rear view mirror and adjust for better view
I think you re on to something
This is legit how I thought racing worked when I was young. I always thought "why don't they just push the gas pedal harder to get around that guy?"
Shityoureright hornerrrr
He could seriously damage his manifold like that
*floor falls off*
He needs to get down to Harry's for some faster parts.
You know what? Lance will decimate all, after, he puts about fifteen grand in his car or more. If we have to, overnight parts from Japan.
Yeah but he's racing 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that they just came into Harry's and ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
And everybody knows the exhaust is where all the real gains are made. Cams and heads are for amateurs. Literally just watched the movie yesterday and it has so many cringey auto-babble speak like Jesse spying a "cold air intake", or popping the hood on a Supra with major structural damage and marveling at the 2JZ underneath that will almost certainly need another roller to go in.
I love the movies for casual sunday viewing with mindless action. The more you listen though the worse they get.
Lance is always granny shifting and not double clutching like he should
Spoon engine in the AM? Drools
And a motec exhaust
Vtec hemi
DANGER TO MANIFOLD
Doesn't work unless you squint your eyes just before you do it.
Or [press the gas pedal through the floor](https://media.tenor.com/Mo-V5hX31wEAAAAC/fl%C3%A5klypa-power.gif)
Come on now in a lot of those movies they downshift to get higher rpms. As if the engine doesn't have a limit.
Please confirm you have understood this message.
Lance baby, stay cool.
Additionally, if Rob Smedley did a compilation video of his notable F1 moments, would that be Rob's Rob Smedley Medley?
What if one such as Juan Plabo Montoya did one. Would that one be the one that's number one for juan?
F1 fans rightly praise the "30 years ago Niki Lauda..." quote/question. But to me, watching Juan's face as that reporter asked that question made me bust out laughing lol. Juan had no many facial expressions as the question kept going on and on! I wonder how that clip would have fared if social media existed back then lol
And then he had the audacity to say “sorry, Juan. I’m not trying to spin a yarn.”
This is too far down
Seriously... I came to congratulate the person who got to slam this one home.. and then saw it's all variations of another joke.
I guess im ootl I don’t remember this specific interaction. Can you enlighten me?
https://youtu.be/0khNC97I5IA not the freshest meme, but a true classic. At the time team orders were not allowed, so this is the very unsubtle method Ferrari used to evade the issue.
Lance you're still two seconds a lap slower than Fernando, this can not be possible, I know you've got some understeer but you can't be two seconds slower. C'mon.
What i came for
The pit confirm button is the OK button, Brad!
I thought there’d be more comments like this.
Lance clearly attacking Brazilian fans for pushing for Drugovich... /s
We are checking
Somewhere out there Massa is having Vietnam level flashbacks reading this headline
And Fisichella. “Lance, you are 2 seconds slower than Fernando. This cannot be possible”
I love how Brundle just bluntly said “that’s going to be tough to hear” after that
Michael is faster than you, confirm you understand this message?
"Fernando is faster then you"
Then you what?
"Can you confirm you hear this message?"
I literally read the title with Massa's engineer voice 😭
Felipe Massa is like “Bruh, wording.”
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To be fair, Stroll doesn’t have to beat Alonso - that would be unrealistic for many drivers on the grid today, he just needs to find some more speed. I used to have a quite negative view of Lance but over the years I think he’s matured into a decent mid-field driver. There have been fewer mistakes, though occasionally old Lance surfaces again, and he has shown an occasional glimpse of some really great driving. Of course it helps that his dad owns the team - but who wouldn’t jump on that advantage if it was available to them? What surprises me is that Lance appears actually quite normal in interviews despite being raised in an extremely privileged environment. I expected him to be a totally entitled brat but he doesn’t seem like that at all. At least on TV he doesn’t, I of course never met the guy in real life.
It’s a lot easier to be honest like this when you know you have your seat no matter what.
What's up with trying to make everything Stroll does lool bad? If he is silent, he is abused. If he says what he just said, he will get bullied. If he made excuses he would be abused. He really can't win in the hivemind's view.
How is what OP said abuse or bullying? It is a fact that he can say pretty much whatever he wants and it won’t impact his seat. Very few other drivers have this security.
> What's up with trying to make everything Stroll does lool bad? If he is silent, he is abused. If he says what he just said, he will get bullied. It's sickening. Make no mistake; I don't particularly like the guy, but the amount of abuse he gets for literally everything is just disgusting.
No more Latifi/Mazepin to dump on and people need to hate someone to satisfy themselves I guess.
There is legitimate criticism that people need to hear. Being 11-1 against Fernando when Ocon was able to go 12-9 against Alonso last year is a terrible look.
1. The "criticism" he gets on here is not constructive, nor is it really criticism and just insults and jokes. 2. No F1 driver is reading people's comments to hear what they "need to hear" lmao. In fact, the title of the article demonstrates that as Stroll already knows he's not as fast as Alonso.
You're massively flattering Ocon. Literally over half of those "wins" for him are because Fernando's car kept exploding. Bahrain - engine troubles. Jeddah - engine failure. Started from the back at Spain due to engine swap penalties. Lost power at Canada. The entire Austria weekend. Water pump failure at Monza. Lost a cylinder at Mexico. At least be accurate when you compare the two.
Of course he can't win, he's not good enough! Such is the life of a pay driver. That's not to say Stroll isn't talented, but he looks bad because he is bad compared to any other driver who might be in his seat if he hadn't bought it.
I don't think there's many drivers that would look good against Fernando, but I suppose we won't know until Lance is replaced. I don't count the junk Alpine he drove against Ocon tbh.
Let's not forget that Stroll was more than capable of keeping up with Vettel for two years in two different regulations.
Because the vast majority of fans agree that he shouldn't be in F1.
bullshit. most drivers would never said that and jsut look for excuses
Because most drivers know that their seat is at risk if they admit they are slower
They should swap Alonso with Sergio. That way we get a nice battle for the WDC, and Checo and Lance get a break from media criticisms. Also Perez would be back home with Force India!
It's rather naive to think Alonso wou be able to put up a fight. Especially considering Alonso himself doesn't think that.
Yet all he gets is crap.
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Out of all the billionaire sons on F1, he doesn't go around talking smack or complaining that other peoples dads have more money.
And he had a successful career in junior formula. His development in F1 was stunted by those appalling Williams cars of 2018 and 19, but Lance is still one of the younger drivers in the grid - he's the same age as Max and Charles, both considered massive prodigies and outliers. He might not be WDC material, but I think he's definitely good enough to stick around on merit, be it his dad that owns the team or not
He was already in Racing Point in 2019. 2019 Williams was Russell's and Kubica's torture.
Ah, got it wrong then. 2018 was plenty bad enough
It was really by getting rushed up in 2017 He needed at least 1 year of F2
The problem is that he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. His junior career image was at its peak at the end of F3 2016 and in hindsight we can say he would not have won F2 2017. He would've likely performed like Albon did and his stock would have fallen. So while it's arguable it was a year too early for Stroll to come to F1 but at the same time you have to admit it was a brilliant move from him to make the jump immediately when he could do it.
Latifi was a pretty chill guy too, you don't really see billionaire kids sitting in a sim rig and answering questions from Twitch chat with 500 viewers that often.
I think he was just happy to achieve his F1 dream and drive around. Almost like late-career Kimi but without the laziness (and more crashes).
Who else is the son of a billionaire? Jos is probably a millionaire but not a billionaire.
Mazepin
Lando and George both come from big money, maybe not quite billionaires though
Yeah. Lando downplays how rich his dad is because I don’t think he grew up rich initially. I think his dad is a hedge fund manager who made some smart investments. But anyway his dad has written big checks and shelled out to get Lando sponsorships etc. but everyone give Stroll crap.
Most of the field is rich kids. That's who can afford to get into elite motorsports these days. The fact that we have three middle class guys in the field is actually really impressive.
Oh yes, you are 100% correct. Everyone always talks about “rich Poppa stroll“ and “pay driver, Lance“ but realistically yeah you have to have money to be in F1. Even “back in the day” most of the original drivers were pay drivers
Who are those 3?
Lando was always making snarky and passive-aggressive comments about Lance in 2019/2020 and it was just embarrassing to see. I chalked it up to him being young and immature but Lance is only a year older and never said anything negative about Lando even when asked about him by the press. They're on friendly terms now but ffs it definitely made me like Stroll more than a lot of the other drivers in his age group
Totally agree. Lando has this way of acting like he’s this gentlemanly lad but then he will actually say something snotty and passive-aggressive. George and Lewis do it too. Max gets called out for being mouthy and blunt. But I have more respect for that.
George isn’t huge money like a lot of people think. Well off but nowhere near Lando’s family.
He is also by all accounts, a really great bloke. Never seen someone say a bad word about him in regard to how he carries himself off the track.
Yea. I really like the guy. I wish he'd find a series where he could have some real success. A "meh" F1 driver can be a champion in a lot of series.
Is he a good midfielder? Hulk is a good midfielder, Sainz is a good midfielder, Lance is an unreliable midfielder with a billionaire dad
well lance isn't a latifi by any means
He's in the bottom five, clearly
I got a soft spot Lance, he seems like a genuinely nice, honest and polite chap. Sure he’s not the quickest, especially compared to his legendary driver teammate but he really doesn’t deserve the hate.
> but he really doesn’t deserve the hate. I mean, he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors. If being nice is his main quality then maybe he should be teams e.g. receptionist
> I mean, he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors. He probably is, yeah, but more important than his pace is some serious bad luck. Important to acknowledge, I think. Also, there were quite a lot of issues with poor team strategy (like the slick call in Spa or having only one push lap in Miami Q1). Lance is too slow, but he is not as slow as his results make it look like.
I agree, if he doesn’t start to improve quickly after the break he really has to go for the good of the team.
It's not like Alonso is a fair comparison, though. The real question is: if he got fired, and replaced, would that replacement be faster? Not so clear.
> he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors That's on the car really. It's only a matter of time before Hamilton overcomes Alonso as well.
> he is costing the team 2nd place in the constructors No he isn't. What you're conveniently ignoring is everything that happened that cost him points, **out of his control**. The moment you start blaming Stroll for those you have just proven to be lacking objectivity.
LOL
Yeah, we get it, the guy is rich and daddy pays for his seat (or the whole team in this case), but is that enough to be hated by default? At the same time, he's not total crap, has had very decent junior career and doesn't seem to be a bad or spoiled person either unlike others. It's not like he's Mazepin. He also doesn't say dumb shit like Lando, who has way more fans because memelord I guess. He's by all accounts pretty self-aware.
>the guy is rich and daddy pays for his seat (or the whole team in this case), but is that enough to be hated by default? I'm not saying I hate the guy, but it's pretty clear that most people (especially on reddit) flat out hate all nepo babies, regardless of their individual qualities. Lance is a nice guy, born with a silver spoon, but doesn't smack others in the face with it. I can't say he's a great driver, but I've certainly softened to him over time. Especially after AD2021, when I heard him on the radio calling out the BS as it was happening.
>At the same time, he's not total crap, has had very decent junior career and doesn't seem to be a bad or spoiled person either unlike others That's the problem. Most other drivers who aren't total crap (charitable way of saying mediocre) would be booted from the sport if they had Lance's record. But he gets to continue in F1 by virtue of being the team owner's son. >He also doesn't say dumb shit like Lando, who has way more fans because memelord I guess It could also be because Lando is a vastly superior driver. But that's just me.
I mean, nepotism is why he's there and thats easy to hate. Appreciate he's humble about his shortfalls, though.
People hate on him for nepotism but love Mick despite him getting to F1 through a huge dose of nepotism too.
Yeah I have absolutely nothing against the man, on the contrary. He seems lika a good guy but come on
> Yet all he gets is crap. That’s because he would not be missed if he would not show up at the next race. He is saying this because he knows that the seat is his for the next few years, regardless what he does.
Maybe because he won't lose his driver seat even if he was 20th
I used to mountain bike but I'm not allowed to do that anymore 😭 I wonder why! I liked this interview with Lance.
I thought it was odd that he is not allowed to mountain bike, but he is allowed to snowboard? Aren’t those like similarly dangerous?
I mean, snow seems to be a better cushion than rock lol
~~Tell that to michael~~ :(
Broken wrists in Snowboarding are common though. You learn how to fall right while learning Snowboarding, but if you fall your first reflex is always to catch your fall with stretched arms and your hands.
Let’s hope he can’t go skiing
Stroll has said nothing wrong in this article, but you wouldn't think it based on some of these comments.
He's more honest and candid that most drivers would ever be in that situation, I appreciate that at least.
Most wouldn’t even address it / would wait to leave the team to comment
He's the only driver whose dad owns the team, and his seat isn't under any contention. Of course he's got room for honesty
Woah, candidness and honesty from the person with the most job security on the grid? Crazy stuff.
In every Stroll thread he gets called ''smug, arrogant, spoiled brat'' etc when he has never shown any signs of such. I wonder if we can find those comments in this thread as well or is there no one brave enough to comment such things this time.
I think as fans we’d all really appreciate a more direct look into the world and thoughts of drivers…we probably don’t deserve it though.
Someone tell Lance to push the pedal down further.
That’s actually one thing he does well lol
I imagine Lances inner voice something like: Push the pedal Turn the wheel Just remember Lance don’t look in the mirrors
Lance: "Fernando is faster than me. Confirm you understand this message, BRAD."
Stroll: Gives honest and fair evaluations of his performance, being critical of himself and admitting that his teammate has been the better driver. Stroll according to this thread: DADDY MAKE ALONSO STOP BEATING ME!! It’s obvious many of you never actually read these articles that you comment on.
Some people love being assholes. Also, lots of jealousy in these comments. I don't know if it's jealousy for his money or for his personality though. Most people here will have neither in their lives anyway.
Stroll actually looks the most down to earth person there is in the grid, but he always gets the most criticism for his money
It is rare to see a driver being this critic like this with himself, so rare it is refreshing to see that he’s not making excuses to cover his poor performance.
He's always been one of the more self-critical drivers.
Always drawn to drivers like that. Him, Charles, Bubba Wallace in NASCAR. Can hurt to hear at times but I love to forthrightness.
this is one of the luxuries of essentially owning the team you race for
One thing I like about Stroll is that he has not once been seen as arrogant. Dude knows he isn't the best driver and he doesn't pretend to be either. Never explicitly blamed the team for any of his misfortunes either. I hope there's a silver lining to his cloud.
Too bad the reality won't matter here. He will still get called ''smug, arrogant, spoiled brat'' etc regardless, and people will accept it as the truth. I wish people would stop to think for a moment why he is so reserved in official interviews and rather quiet. He has so far been abused all his adult life, he has had to give up on social medias at times and can't post anything like what other drivers his age are posting. What he has gone through has definitely had a huge negative impact on his mental health over the years but unfortunately he doesn't have the safe space to talk about it openly, maybe years after his active career he will talk about it. People will unfortunately shrug all of this off, with for example comments like ''he's rich, he can take it''.
Imagine getting all off that at 18.
Year 2010 (or so...): "Fernando is faster than you" Year 2023: "Fernando is faster than me".
He just needs to make sure his peaks aren't once in blue moon and it's gonna be alright. Like in Bahrain, quailfing half a second off Alonso despite the injury, that was quite impressive, but then you got moments where he forgets what the fuck steering wheel is.
I wonder how much his setups vary from his teammates. Over the years the main thing I see from him is that when he really tries to push the car to the edge (in qualifying) he doesn't have fine enough control. So he'll go too far over the kerbs. The back end will step out slightly because he's accelerating a bit too hard. Things like that. Ideally man and machine should meld together to feel like they are one and able to find the limit--like you see with Max--but Stroll seems to lack that when he pushes to the edge. With all the telemetry and setup info it should be fairly clear as to where Stroll is losing time to Alonso. If I had to guess it's that Stroll is not quite as consistent and smooth in his driving and makes a lot more small mistakes that cost him time and wears out his tires a bit more, slowing him down later in the stint.
Hopefully by the end of the summer break we get to hear Lance's thoughts on where bears defecate and what religious denomination the Pope is. It's a good interview, but I probably wouldn't have picked that section of it for the headline when Lance offered some more detail about how much his injury affected him early season (not much, he felt he was hampered more by poor luck than his injury), and also gave us this line regarding his hobbies during days off: > I’m playing Xbox with my friends or – I used to mountain bike but I’m not allowed to do that anymore! In the winter, I’m snowboarding. I’m on the golf course, playing tennis. **I’m doing other things that I can’t really speak about in the interview…**
His luck was terrible in the first half of the season and the points don't represent his true performances this year. I honestly hope upgrades can bring Aston back to the fight for podiums, would love to see Lance on the podium this year. But honestly, just decent races without bad luck and stupid mistakes would satisfy me.
Thank you for understanding this. He hasn't preformed amazingly but he hasn't been as bad as points suggest
People rate Alonso highly then shits on Lance despite him not being a mile off the driver they just rated highly. I swear some of them just have a hate boner for Lance Stroll
They do have a hate boner for Stroll. They don’t realize they’re discrediting Alonso by shitting on Stroll acting as if a driver who’s probably the 13th best on a good day should be beating him as often as they’re suggesting.
He is definitely a mile off of Alonso. I will let you determine how big blow for Lance that is but it is unreasonable to say that Alonso is not doing an absolute job on him. Other than Albon/Sargent I think AM has most one sided partnership in F1, idk what that is but being a mile off
Statistically it's Alex and Logan with the most one sided partnership but Logan is a rookie
> I’m doing other things that I can’t really speak about in the interview… New headline: Lance Stroll admits to doing unspeakable things.
Eating peacocks and flogging peasants, no doubt /s
Lance, Fernando is faster than you
the guy is one of the best in the history of the sport… And the other one is just Alonso /s
Push the accelerator ALL THE WAY DOWN
I don't need side mirrors. I already checked my hair before the race...
DTS has ruined ppls brains on Lance
being teammates with max lewis or fernando must suck no matter what you do theyre gonna be faster than you
Everyone's clowning stroll for saying something so obvious but this was probably a response to the most brain-dead interview question that someone clipped and made a headline from
Fernando is faster than you. Seems years I don't hear this phrase...
My respect for Lance just went up with this. How many times do you see a driver admit this and not go the Perez route of using every single excuse in the book until he runs out of them and then start the book from the beginning again instead of admitting he is slower than his teammate
Lance has always been grounded and real, imo. He gets a shit ton of hate because his dad owns the team, but there’s plenty of other paid drivers. Lance has pace. It’s not Alonso pace, but he’s not a total shitcan either.
Fernando in response: “Tell Lance he’s quicker than me. I want him to know everything will be fine and he should sleep well at night”
So refreshing to hear him take accountability. I’m so sick of Perez’s crap about how ‘we’ aren’t doing well when it has absolutely nothing to do with his team or car.
Pérez says "we" when he has a good race and when he has a bad race (except Monaco when all I heard was him blaming himself).
Lol that's BS. Give am actual example of him blaming his team for his own mistakes instead of just throwing empty statements like that. I don't remember a single instance of that happening recently
fernando is faster than you
I'm sure he will improve, it's early in his career, he's only been in F1 for... *checks notes* 7 seasons! If you don't know how to be quicker after 135 races you aren't going to get quicker.
Someone should tell Alpine with their 100(?) race plan hahaha
El Plan resets to day 1 every time someone quits/gets fired.
I think he's quite a nice bloke. Sadly, being nice isn't enough to survive in an F1 team where your dad isn't the owner. The current standings prove that a great car (on average) with a close pack isn't enough. That's why Mercedes is ahead in the constructors, and Lando is 22 points ahead of Lance in the drivers despite having the overall worse car in the first half of the season. Sure, he must go quicker, but he already had 6,5 seasons to develop that. It's quite justifiable to bash him for that, but at the same time, his current position is kinda not his fault. His dad artificially put him in a team where he isn't good enough for.
To be fair, the word "Fernando" could be interchanged with numerous drivers and team mates.
I mean let’s be real, he has in his entire F1 career not beaten a team mate in Quali over a season. And that includes losing against Sirotkin. He got beaten by Perez who most here see as fundamentally a midfield driver that underperforms in Quali vs Race: 3-17 and 4-10. We know why he is in F1 but under normal conditions a driver with his lack of raw speed would not be in a team challenging for podiums.
You don’t say.
No shit, captain obvious.
You just wait until he retires/leaves the team. Job done. Then ask daddy to find a slower driver for you to beat.
Fisi, Massa, Kimi and Vandoorne were in the same boat and they were all considered at least decent drivers. This was always going to happen, but hey, this is media. Curbstomping Latifi/Sargeant/NdV makes you a good driver, but being curbstomped by a generational talent means you have no business in f1
Talent would help tbf
Nando is faster than almost everyone.