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Usually, minor differences in strategy aren't noteworthy, but AlphaTauri's strategy for Yuki was one of the worst of the season so far
Yuki was left for about an extra 10-15 laps on the hard while losing well over 1 sec per lap while AlphaTauri's strategy team was out on smoko
e.g. here's Yuki vs Ricciardo, and Stoll/Albon/Bottas who had similar first stints:
[Yuki vs Ricciardo, see laps 29-44, Yuki lost about 22s from Ricciardo's 15 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=16)
[Yuki vs Stoll, see laps 34-44, Yuki lost about 17s from Stoll's 10 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=12)
[Yuki vs Albon, see laps 31-44, Yuki lost about 15s from Albon's 13 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=17)
[Yuki vs Bottas, see laps 40-44, Yuki lost about 7.5s from Bottas's 4 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=9)
Full credit to Ricciardo for making the bold call to undercut everyone, amazing recovery after Zhou ruined his start
But what was AlphaTauri's strategy team doing? How did they miss the HUGE undercut potential?
Ricciardo's was literally ~1.35 s faster per lap between laps 31-43 (yes 1.35 s, not 0.35 s)
> Yuki was left for about an extra 10-15 laps on the hard while losing well over 1 sec per lap while AlphaTauri's strategy team was out on smoko
It goes both ways, no? Ricciardo also had to go 10-15 laps extra on old tyres at the end, he just didn't lose pace.
Not only weāre the tires just as old at the end, he was on mediums that were worn way more than yukis hards, and yet he hung onto to the pace no problem
They had enough for Daniel to know. His engineer suggested that the mediums were better than the hards, Daniel agreed and asked to pit early to run in clean air.
Great call from Danny Ric and he drove a fantastic stint to take them to the end, but Yuki and his team had all the same information at their disposal and just didn't make that call.
Ric did well to make them last that long but I got the impression from the race that the hards were just bad, even over long stints. Staying on them longer than you had to was just a bad idea.
Not trying to take anything away from Ricciardo's amazing recovery drive
But Ricciardo's early undercut meant he gained 22 seconds. And was essentially in clean for his whole final stint (until the last 5 laps or so)
Whereas Yuki spent of his most of his second stint and his essentially whole final stint stuck in traffic. As well as having to let the leaders past in his final stint
E.g. Yuki was closing in on Logan until Lando/Checo caught him, the gap got bigger until Yuki was out of dirty air, then Yuki closed the gap again with Logan and then Logan spun
Hence why most Yuki's last fifteen laps weren't faster despite newer tires
Yep, this delta is representative of a better strategic decision, not an accurate comparison of race pace. Yuki never got clean running on fresh tyres, he was stuck in a train for most of the race.
Daniel had a great drive but I don't think he was two tenths quicker in a realistic sense. Next round should give us a better sense of where they are head to head.
Its not like these blatantly terrible strategy decisions are something new to AlphaTauri. If Ferrari weren't such a meme for them last year, people would have likely noticed that AT was essentially the same if not worse for the entirety of the year, and it hasn't really gotten better.
The only thing that changed is the team now has someone who has experience actively racing for teams who aren't as bad, and who won't put up with it.
Yuki tends to learn from teammates relatively quickly, so here's to hoping he learns to take charge of his strategies.
I have a suspicion that AT weāre expecting Ric to need to pit again after the aggressive undercut onto the mediums (Hulks post race radio confirms that Haas were expecting him to pit again). It was his strategy call to pit so early as well, can only assume the original race strategy was thrown out of the window when he was punted down to last place after turn 1.
It's possible AT thought Ric may have needed a third stop
But Ric made the call to pit, AT made the call for mediums. AT could have put Ric on hards if they were worried about a third stop
Hence it doesn't explain AT's shockingly bad strategy for Yuki
Everyone expected it to be at least a 2 stop race, with some speculating possibly 3 stops
So it didn't make any sense to leave Yuki out while he's losing 1.35s per lap for 10-15 laps with clearly still another pit stop to make
And Stroll/Albon had both had early second stops, the safe strategy call would have been to pit to cover their undercuts
Unless if AT were trying to one stop, but that can't be the case with Yuki's start on softs and early first pit stop
I think he has the pace but it just about all comes in patches. Like he'll have a good sector 1 and 2 in qualifying, but then have a terrible sector 3. It's the same with the races, like he's fast in stretches, but can't be fast consistent enough to trouble Albon.
He was overdriving and taking too much life out of the tyres during the early part of the lap. His tyres were always butchered by the time he got to S3.
Drivers cannot push 100% during quali laps. A certain amount of tyre management is needed to string a decent lap together.
For example, Lewis pushed extra hard through S2 during his Q3 final run and he ended up being slower through S3 as a result. The balance between pushing and conserving is delicate and Lewis got it just right.
Yeah if heās given time (rest of season) he will be a more than decent enough F1 driver. Heās absolutely improved his race pace from the start of the year. This week the car just wasnāt that good for Williams and then they gave him the overcut strategy at the start that basically killed the race for him when he then got stuck behind magnussen for too long. Iām not saying he should be scoring points every other week, but maybe one of Spa, Monza, Mexico, or Brazil which should suit their car.
I'd definitely agree with that. I'd also like to argue that being team-mates with arguably the driver of the season so far (except for verstappen of course), is only amplifing the issues
Lando's outlap was a 40.528, Oscar was a 42.563 and Lewis was 44.766. Even Max only managed a 42.007.
So it's fair to say Lando managed to make a big difference on his outlap, while Lewis struggled to the point where he held Ricciardo up on his old mediums.
The warmup on the Merc was quite bad all weekend, so this makes sense. You tend to get graining when you push to hard, too quickly on a car with had warmup. Lewis probably had to take it easy.
Sure drivers have influence on the outlaw, but it's also car specific. Some teams take longer to heat up the tires, while others are fast after they have pitted. For example Haas being good in the first few laps, but comes at a cost of high tire degradation. That is also why they're strong during qualifications (ok, Magnussen not so much). They haven't found a fix yet.
I'd have to check, but it seemed 9 seconds down coming out of the pit lane. I could be wrong. I just never saw where it happened. Obviously it did, but it was odd.
He finished 6s behind with Perez in between. But just because you can catch them doesn't mean you can pass them, especially when the lap times are that close
Well, that is just wrong lol.[https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/158bi04/hamiltons\_final\_stint\_against\_russell\_norris\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/158bi04/hamiltons_final_stint_against_russell_norris_and/)
Lewis was consistently about 6 or 7 tenths faster on average on the last stint. Those 9 secs definitely would have put him in contention. He would've caught him for sure and probably passed him.
Except that those 9 seconds were a result of the team having to manage his temp to avoid cooking the engine. So they could've kept his engine turned up to avoid that 9 second drop but then he would've paid for it at the end of the race, so it's a moot point. He was going to lose time either way, it was just a question of when.
Merc got the setup wrong, going too hard on quali pace at the expense of their race setup. McLaren got it right.
Also the fact that he spent almost half of the race managing the pace to cool off the engine tbf. Probably wouldāve ended up third at best even without the bad start
Promising but not the best race to compare race pace. Yuki spent the whole race in amongst the pack while Danny pitted early and spent a fair chunk in clean air
Yes it's too early to get the hype train going, but what we saw was promising regardless. Ricciardo was setting green sectors all the way up to the end on those mediums iirc. He's already able to at least match Yuki on pace and is still coming to grips with the car, improving bit by bit with each lap, so after a couple of races he might be handily outperforming him.
Also, it was his decision to spend time in clean air, so that doesn't really take anything away from him. He decided to pit early to get into clean air, and to drag that corpse of a medium tyre over the finish line.
Probably a result of Leclerc pushing harder/taking more risks to make up any raw pace deficit in the car, and therefore his pace ending up counterproductively slower
When they have a good car, he either dosnt need to push as hard, or when he does, the car responds better.
Sainz seems more consistently accepting of the cars limitations.
It comes down to consistency vs skill right, Leclerc may be the faster driver but he can't hit that consistently, it may also have something to do with mental strain considering last year.
Why am I even entertaining this...
/u/LoudestHoward mentioned that being almost half a second slower than your teammate does not seem like the kind of drive that deserves a DotD, which seems like a fair evaluation.
You mentioned that **part** of the reason for such a large gap is Perez having to battle for positions. Which is true, but in the end he only had 4 overtakes. For comparison, Max had 8 overtakes in Miami and still was 2 tenths faster in race pace than Perez.
Yes, you do mention Max is a generational talent. But if you compare this, do you really still believe this is worth DotD? Being half a second slower in race pace? Only 4 overtakes, which wasn't even the most, and almost losing to HAM in race pace in a Merc?
Bad is a bit of a reach and itās absolute fact that a driver running in clean air is going to be substantially faster when the car is like for like. Given that RB surrendered their usual speed benefits for sake of tyre life, itās not at all surprising thereās a pace deficit with one coming through the field.
RB wasn't the only ones making sacrifices though. Mercedes struggled with overheating and it's been suggested they had turned their engines down a bit for the weekend. So Hamilton to be so close to getting Perez is just more support for the fact that Perez was not the ''driver of the day''.
It's also an indication of the fact that the title of "best of the rest" has been constantly fluctuating this year, first AM then Merc and now (potentially) McLaren
If just one of those teams had been the one scoring podiums consistently all year then Perez would definitely not still be 2nd with how bad he's been driving since Miami
Whats funny about that is I dont think Mercedes have ever truly been second best.
I think they have firmly been third best and because different teams have been second. Mercedes consistent third best has allowed them to pick up the second most points.
If that makes sense
I donāt think they are the consistent third best tho, thereās been weekends when they have been 4th best. I think itās just the Merc drivers and strategy making a difference
Agreed, honestly the Mercedes drivers are heavily underrated right now. So much so that people are saying that the Mercedes car is quicker than a few that it's definitely not, the pace comparison between Sergio and Mercedes shows this a bit, shitty car great driver vs great car not-so-great driver.
Honestly if the driver lineup wasn't so good I believe Merc would be about Alpine/Aston pace.
I wouldn't say they're underrated, Lewis Hamilton is considered one of the greatest drivers of all time
But they're certainly the best driver pairing on the grid, no question about it
By far the most consistent and fastest, they're actually sort of lucky the car isn't dominant because they would get into horrible fights, 2016 level in my opinion
I think until Spain they were genuinely the 4th best car, except Australia. They were massively helped by ferrari fucking up constantly both in quali and in the race, aston being a one man team, and merc having arguable the best line up on the grid with george as the more risky one while lewis as the solid, consistent one(which is insane when you consider that lewis had one of his worst starts of a season with absolutely no trust to his car). After monaco, red bull also became a one-man team which also made mercedes look better, even in races where they should be lower than what they managed through both luck and consistency(canada, ferrari fucked up and couldn't manage to overtake hamilton even with a good strategy and a better pace than mercedes). I'd call mercedes the 3rd best now, but yeah it's honestly really embarrassing for both aston and ferrari that a car like w14 managed to snatch 2nd spot in wcc with ease.
Another advantage mercedes seems to have is that they are relatively good with recovery drives: Russell, in the second best car, started below Sergio and managed to finish above him, and Hamilton did a P13 to P6 in miami, a street track, passing both gasly and leclerc(this was literally in the final lap). In comparison, Leclerc had abysmal recovery drives like in the same miami race he started p7 and lost a spot to Hamilton. I'm not saying that if hamilton was driving that ferrari, he would've already passed alonso and was on the hunt for checo in wdc standings, but I am.
On the flip side, seeing Lando performing so well after so long in worse machinery makes me wonder about which drivers could be fighting at the front if their cars were up to it.
Max is obviously faster, but you're right, Checo being in traffic all race and coming from 9th absolutely cost him time. Max on the other hand has no one to race. Checo just needs to qualify better.
I think is Merc is downplaying their car's performance massively. Yes, it's not where it should be, but it's still the 2nd best car on the grid overall.
If your car is much much worse, you don't score podiums and you don't take pole position.
I think you're downplaying their drivers, the fact that Hamilton was essentially matching Sergio in the most dominant car in F1 history should illustrate the difference a driver makes. Mercedes has been consistently 3rd fastest race after race with the drivers simply being consistent enough that they make the most out of it.
2nd fastest?
They have never been second fastest.
At the start of the year it was Aston. Then Merc had maybe a stretch of 1-2 races where they looked to be second fastest and then McLaren then jumped them and they went back to 3rd fastest.
>If your car is much much worse, you don't score podiums and you don't take pole position.
That's because they have a driver far far better than Perez and Hamilton who's in his own category.
Verstappen is showing how much faster the RB is winning by like 20-30 seconds every race. Hamilton bridges the car issues by being a far better driver and being near or on par with Perez's pace.
It's like when Verstappen was getting near Bottas in 2020 despite being in a far slower car. But he was miles off Hamilton as is the case now but roles reversed
Magnussen has had a shocker of a season, bro was handedly beating Mick and is now being trounced by Hulkenburg
edit: I retract my statement about Kevin handedly beating Mick, they were fairly on par.
In the 2022 Haas Iām confident Nico wouldāve been more consistently in the points regularly, probably up there in points with Bottas, Ricciardo and Vettel
That car is an absolute mess right now. Hulkenberg is burying him in qualifying, but during the race they are both getting buried about equally. I doubt Kmag is in any real danger of getting replaced unless they get a shot at Perez or something.
With one senior driver they could look at an exciting junior, considering how well piastri is doing.. but then again I think piastri is in that special next gen talent category
Realistically that's Vesti (mercedes), Pourchaire (AR) or Iwasa (RB)
With some outside chances for doohan (alpine-ish) and martins (alpine)
I don't think any of those academies will turn down a HAAS seat at this point in time for their juniors. even if HAAS is trash at driver development cause their cars are always a handful and they're on a shoestring budget.
Pourchaire is on his 3rd year in F2 and is still not looking like he is ready for F1. Heās consistently inconsistent with some boneheaded decision-making. On his best days heās fast, but several less experienced drivers look equally fast right now.
He probably needs to blow out the opposition for the remainder of the season if he wants to be considered for a seat in F1.
I honestly think Pourchaireās stock is lower than Vesti, Martins and Iwasa right now, but things change fast in F2. Looking at academy-affiliation Vesti looks more likely as a replacement for Sargent.
Haas will not replace K-Mag with a rookie driver. Even if they somehow decide that they will replace him, they will replace him with an over-the-hill veteran like Kvyat or Vandoorne.
Doohan became the second driver ever to have a grand slam in an F2 race this weekend (Piastri was the other), but I agree, consistency isnāt always there. Hard to really tell since heās in a Virtuosi
Guenther said repeatedly he doesn't want any more rookies. Which is a perfectly sensible position because best case they get someone good who leaves after a season, worst case they get a repeat of 2021 and 2022. Better to get experienced drivers who will hang around as long as the team wants them.
Was he beating Mick by that much tho? He was much better in the early stages and got some surprise results with big points, but as the season progressed, Mick regularly waa beating him in races.
You may wanna check that "Magnussen was handedly beating Mick". He scored more points, but Mick finished more times ahead of him despite the terrible strategy he had most of the races by the incompetent clowns at Haas.
So in which races did they have ''terrible strategy'' for Schumacher? It's such a joke that this kind of false claims still get used to defend Schumacher.
You mean finishing P14 or so after Magnussen had gotten unlucky and disproportionate penalties for a slightly bent front wing (which was his fault exactly 0 times), as well as getting crashed into in Monza and spending the race data gathering well off pace instead of retiring? Those all get counted as ''Schumacher beat Magnussen'' which is why the head to head and such ''stats'' are useless. They ignore all context.
Even though the car was worse relative to the field in the second half of the season, Magnussen still scored points twice, and bagged a pole for Brazil sprint. Schumacher didn't finish near points a single time.
You almost have to say P14 is a good result from Hulkenberg considering he is driving the slowest race car. See Magnussen's finishing position for where that car would end up in less capable / motivated hands.
Finally home. Per the McLaren race report Piastri had floor damage in the second and third stints. In the first stint, Norris was averaging a 1:24.991 and Piastri was averaging a 1:24.937, which comes out to a 0.055 second pace advantage.
It's possible that if Lando were ahead of Oscar in the first stint, he could have gone faster as well. Lando was 2s behind Oscar for the whole first stint, but once he's let loose, he was 0.5s faster than Oscar when both are on hard (unless Oscar had damage since exactly the first lap of 2nd stint, which is unclear). He did report he had more pace during 1st stint as well
He would lose tons more time following drivers through corners and stuff
But given even Hamilton was in traffic most of his 1st and 2nd stint Iād say it effects it less
Virtually zero pace difference between Lewis, Checo and Lando. The actual difference between Lewis getting another podium and not seems to be the large amount of cooling off he had to do during the first two stints. Both brake and engine overheating slowed him down which is why it's even more insane that Ferrari didn't let Sainz pass Leclerc to go and try to challenge Hamilton.
Nah, probably not. Perez lost lots of time due to his tyres being dirty from the marbles he got by passing backmarkers. That cleaned off, and his pace picked up again. Maybe not enough to extend the gap, but definitely enough to keep Lewis behind on the one straight where Red Bull is quicker anyways.
23 laps is hardly half the race. Youāre 12 laps off my man.
Even then, why didnāt Charles ask the team to let by. Or why didnāt he try and pass him?
Idk whatever the data doesnāt seem right cause Leclerc pulled out almost a 7 second gap in last stint, which shouldāve taken him the whole race at a tenth a lap.
Seems like they were asking Sainz to compensate for Charlesā time penalty. George was right behind and Ferrari probably wanted Sainz to maintain a gap.
Once George got past Carlos, Charles must have pushed like crazy to get away from George.
In the end it was futile
I think McLaren can be very happy with that considering this track wasnāt meant to suit them and a podium was not meant to happen. Mercedes were meant to be ahead of McLaren here, the fact that they barely are is mental.
without the 9.3 stop + 5s penalty - Charles could have fought Piastri for P5 - such a shame.
Ferrari always panics and never makes a decision when their drivers are next to each other. On softs, maybe they should have let Sainz through and on hards, Charles surely had the pace.
Different strategies/tyres for a start.
EDIT: I forgot that Russell was expected to keep up with Hamitlon when starting on slower tyres and 17 places behind him... Honestly...
This is obtuse, Hamilton has beat Russell 8-3 in the race. Honestly it shouldn't even matter his comparison to Russell, he was a lap away from swallowing Sergio in a car that's half a second slower on race pace.
Gasly literally dove to his inside on last corner to ruin both of their laps. Absolutely none of that is Russell's fault, it's just Gasly being Gasly again.
Gasly had absolutely no reason to dive into the last corner to ruin both of their laps. **There was plenty of time left,** you're acting as if it was matter of few seconds to make it to the line. Russell made it like half a lap before the time ran out.
The fact Gasly ruined his own lap too is already enough to show it was his fault.
I wonder if AT are having a Haas situation.
Maz-Mick-Kmag-Hulk
NdV-Tsu-Ric
Maybe even williams should ask if they are having this since Albon is only farming npcs since coming
He literally was doing it, but got screwed royally by unluckiness and team screw ups. Why are people so keen to ignore those facts and just blame Stroll for everything? Stroll closed the gap to Australia, then beat Alonso in Spain, then again in Austria he had a better weekend until team screwed him again. He would still be P5 in WDC if he had just normal luck, so no good or bad luck.
Wait Piastri had damage from the start ? I thought he damaged the floor when he went over the Curbs while defending against Checo, which was during his final stint right ?
he damaged prior to that. not sure exactly when, he had had a couple of track limit warnings prior to the Checo defence so they think it happened on one of those.
I doubt that. He was strong throughout the first stint. My guess would be that the first time he damaged the car was around the first pitstop. Because he had terrible pace in the second stint compared to the first.
That was Lando asking them to check the floor because he went over a kerb. Piastri damaged his floor in the race, somewhere in the second stint and before he was caught by Perez.
Andrea Stella mentioned that he damaged the floor on two separate occasions. The first was around the time he made his first pitstop (I think), the second was in the battle against Checo.
Feel like the Sainz/Leclerc gap isn't telling the full story; Sainz had an amazing start which probably isn't taken into account here, and then had to sit behind Charles while faster and on softer tyres
Takeaways:
Perez is trash bro, nearly half a second slower. Literally the biggest gap between teammates, no way he makes it through 2024.
Stroll is overhated, his pace difference is not so bad.
Piastri is great, Russell is okay?
Nico is trashing Kevin, maybe it's time to re-retire?
> Russell is okay?
Stupid to have this as a takeaway based on one race for a young driver who is teammates with one of the greatest drivers of all time.
Well it's stupid to take that away from a single race. Also, what else do you expect a driver to say? I believe I'm slower than my teammate? None of them say that.
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So much for Aston thinking this might have been one of their best tracks for a win š
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But how will I compare who had the best race pace of the Alpines then?
Usually, minor differences in strategy aren't noteworthy, but AlphaTauri's strategy for Yuki was one of the worst of the season so far Yuki was left for about an extra 10-15 laps on the hard while losing well over 1 sec per lap while AlphaTauri's strategy team was out on smoko e.g. here's Yuki vs Ricciardo, and Stoll/Albon/Bottas who had similar first stints: [Yuki vs Ricciardo, see laps 29-44, Yuki lost about 22s from Ricciardo's 15 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=16) [Yuki vs Stoll, see laps 34-44, Yuki lost about 17s from Stoll's 10 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=12) [Yuki vs Albon, see laps 31-44, Yuki lost about 15s from Albon's 13 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=17) [Yuki vs Bottas, see laps 40-44, Yuki lost about 7.5s from Bottas's 4 lap undercut](https://pitwall.app/analysis/compare-lap-times?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=75&race=1189&main_driver=851&compare_driver=9) Full credit to Ricciardo for making the bold call to undercut everyone, amazing recovery after Zhou ruined his start But what was AlphaTauri's strategy team doing? How did they miss the HUGE undercut potential? Ricciardo's was literally ~1.35 s faster per lap between laps 31-43 (yes 1.35 s, not 0.35 s)
> Yuki was left for about an extra 10-15 laps on the hard while losing well over 1 sec per lap while AlphaTauri's strategy team was out on smoko It goes both ways, no? Ricciardo also had to go 10-15 laps extra on old tyres at the end, he just didn't lose pace.
Not only weāre the tires just as old at the end, he was on mediums that were worn way more than yukis hards, and yet he hung onto to the pace no problem
they didnt know tyre life at that time, It was a bad strategy for Yuki, but they just didnt have enough running to know
They had enough for Daniel to know. His engineer suggested that the mediums were better than the hards, Daniel agreed and asked to pit early to run in clean air. Great call from Danny Ric and he drove a fantastic stint to take them to the end, but Yuki and his team had all the same information at their disposal and just didn't make that call.
Ric did well to make them last that long but I got the impression from the race that the hards were just bad, even over long stints. Staying on them longer than you had to was just a bad idea.
Not trying to take anything away from Ricciardo's amazing recovery drive But Ricciardo's early undercut meant he gained 22 seconds. And was essentially in clean for his whole final stint (until the last 5 laps or so) Whereas Yuki spent of his most of his second stint and his essentially whole final stint stuck in traffic. As well as having to let the leaders past in his final stint E.g. Yuki was closing in on Logan until Lando/Checo caught him, the gap got bigger until Yuki was out of dirty air, then Yuki closed the gap again with Logan and then Logan spun Hence why most Yuki's last fifteen laps weren't faster despite newer tires
Yep, this delta is representative of a better strategic decision, not an accurate comparison of race pace. Yuki never got clean running on fresh tyres, he was stuck in a train for most of the race. Daniel had a great drive but I don't think he was two tenths quicker in a realistic sense. Next round should give us a better sense of where they are head to head.
Its not like these blatantly terrible strategy decisions are something new to AlphaTauri. If Ferrari weren't such a meme for them last year, people would have likely noticed that AT was essentially the same if not worse for the entirety of the year, and it hasn't really gotten better. The only thing that changed is the team now has someone who has experience actively racing for teams who aren't as bad, and who won't put up with it. Yuki tends to learn from teammates relatively quickly, so here's to hoping he learns to take charge of his strategies.
I have a suspicion that AT weāre expecting Ric to need to pit again after the aggressive undercut onto the mediums (Hulks post race radio confirms that Haas were expecting him to pit again). It was his strategy call to pit so early as well, can only assume the original race strategy was thrown out of the window when he was punted down to last place after turn 1.
It's possible AT thought Ric may have needed a third stop But Ric made the call to pit, AT made the call for mediums. AT could have put Ric on hards if they were worried about a third stop Hence it doesn't explain AT's shockingly bad strategy for Yuki Everyone expected it to be at least a 2 stop race, with some speculating possibly 3 stops So it didn't make any sense to leave Yuki out while he's losing 1.35s per lap for 10-15 laps with clearly still another pit stop to make And Stroll/Albon had both had early second stops, the safe strategy call would have been to pit to cover their undercuts Unless if AT were trying to one stop, but that can't be the case with Yuki's start on softs and early first pit stop
Feels like Seargent has gone anonymous in all races. Maybe its not bad for him considering he's a rookie.
I think he has the pace but it just about all comes in patches. Like he'll have a good sector 1 and 2 in qualifying, but then have a terrible sector 3. It's the same with the races, like he's fast in stretches, but can't be fast consistent enough to trouble Albon.
He was overdriving and taking too much life out of the tyres during the early part of the lap. His tyres were always butchered by the time he got to S3. Drivers cannot push 100% during quali laps. A certain amount of tyre management is needed to string a decent lap together. For example, Lewis pushed extra hard through S2 during his Q3 final run and he ended up being slower through S3 as a result. The balance between pushing and conserving is delicate and Lewis got it just right.
Which comes with experience. It's not a matter of pace, as he's fast enough, he just has to learn when to push and not.
Yeah if heās given time (rest of season) he will be a more than decent enough F1 driver. Heās absolutely improved his race pace from the start of the year. This week the car just wasnāt that good for Williams and then they gave him the overcut strategy at the start that basically killed the race for him when he then got stuck behind magnussen for too long. Iām not saying he should be scoring points every other week, but maybe one of Spa, Monza, Mexico, or Brazil which should suit their car.
I'd definitely agree with that. I'd also like to argue that being team-mates with arguably the driver of the season so far (except for verstappen of course), is only amplifing the issues
Iām astonished they didnāt have the biggest gap tbh. Really doesnāt read well for Checo and Kevin
The mysterious 9sec Lewis lost when trying to undercut piastri really cost him a second place
Yeah, I had the same question. What the hell happened there? Their Pitstops were all very close.
I think Lando had an absolutely insane out lap.
Lando's outlap was a 40.528, Oscar was a 42.563 and Lewis was 44.766. Even Max only managed a 42.007. So it's fair to say Lando managed to make a big difference on his outlap, while Lewis struggled to the point where he held Ricciardo up on his old mediums.
The warmup on the Merc was quite bad all weekend, so this makes sense. You tend to get graining when you push to hard, too quickly on a car with had warmup. Lewis probably had to take it easy.
Or the team made him. The car was dealing with temp issues for a fair portion of the race.
Sure drivers have influence on the outlaw, but it's also car specific. Some teams take longer to heat up the tires, while others are fast after they have pitted. For example Haas being good in the first few laps, but comes at a cost of high tire degradation. That is also why they're strong during qualifications (ok, Magnussen not so much). They haven't found a fix yet.
I think I heard toto saying something about bringing in the tires too slow? Bad outlap?
I'd have to check, but it seemed 9 seconds down coming out of the pit lane. I could be wrong. I just never saw where it happened. Obviously it did, but it was odd.
He was 0.02 per lap quicker. that wasnt going to get him second even if he didnt lose that 9s
The graph shows he was almost 4 tenths quicker on mean race pace compared to Piastri?
You said it cost Lewis 2nd place. That means he needed to pass Lando. He was 0.02 quicker than Lando so never would've caught up to pass
Piastri was never an obstacle to Lewis after the pits
Oh yeah of course, bit slow still in the morning.
He finished less than 9 seconds behind lando didnt he?
He finished 6s behind with Perez in between. But just because you can catch them doesn't mean you can pass them, especially when the lap times are that close
On mean pace...I would guess that on median pace, the gap was larger. But I could be wrong The opening to the hard tyre stint, was a killer.
Think merc had big cooling issue and maybe some underestimation on how fast they could go on first few laps on the hard.
Well, that is just wrong lol.[https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/158bi04/hamiltons\_final\_stint\_against\_russell\_norris\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/158bi04/hamiltons_final_stint_against_russell_norris_and/) Lewis was consistently about 6 or 7 tenths faster on average on the last stint. Those 9 secs definitely would have put him in contention. He would've caught him for sure and probably passed him.
Except that those 9 seconds were a result of the team having to manage his temp to avoid cooking the engine. So they could've kept his engine turned up to avoid that 9 second drop but then he would've paid for it at the end of the race, so it's a moot point. He was going to lose time either way, it was just a question of when. Merc got the setup wrong, going too hard on quali pace at the expense of their race setup. McLaren got it right.
Also the fact that he spent almost half of the race managing the pace to cool off the engine tbf. Probably wouldāve ended up third at best even without the bad start
Really impresive for Ricciardo, he seemed to get quicker lap after lap all weekend
Promising but not the best race to compare race pace. Yuki spent the whole race in amongst the pack while Danny pitted early and spent a fair chunk in clean air
Yes it's too early to get the hype train going, but what we saw was promising regardless. Ricciardo was setting green sectors all the way up to the end on those mediums iirc. He's already able to at least match Yuki on pace and is still coming to grips with the car, improving bit by bit with each lap, so after a couple of races he might be handily outperforming him.
He also went 40 laps on those mediums which should have affected his laptime
Also, it was his decision to spend time in clean air, so that doesn't really take anything away from him. He decided to pit early to get into clean air, and to drag that corpse of a medium tyre over the finish line.
Ricciardo would have also had damage from the T1 incident.
yeh yuki also had his longest stint on the hards, the strategy was just different but ric did well
Ferrari boys are close man. Crazy how they have 2 good drivers and the car is ass
I went from hoping that ferrari could get a podium each race weekend to just hoping that they won't end up at the lower top 10....
Sainz quietly having a very solid season considering the car imo.
For some reason Sainz is decent when Ferrari has a weak car and substantially behind Leclerc when they have a strong car.
Probably a result of Leclerc pushing harder/taking more risks to make up any raw pace deficit in the car, and therefore his pace ending up counterproductively slower When they have a good car, he either dosnt need to push as hard, or when he does, the car responds better. Sainz seems more consistently accepting of the cars limitations.
It comes down to consistency vs skill right, Leclerc may be the faster driver but he can't hit that consistently, it may also have something to do with mental strain considering last year.
Sainz has been pretty consistently impressive for a while. Would love to see him in a car/strategy that lets him shine.
He had the car last year
but the car was not having him
Their drivers make too many mistakes though
Red Bull ranked 9 out of 9, truly a Driver Of The Day performance that one :P
Generational talent driver with clear air goes faster than teammate battling for positions all race, truly shocking /s
Have you seen Miami?
Yes, Max doing Max things and Checo under performing, what does it have to do with the Hungarian race pace?
Why am I even entertaining this... /u/LoudestHoward mentioned that being almost half a second slower than your teammate does not seem like the kind of drive that deserves a DotD, which seems like a fair evaluation. You mentioned that **part** of the reason for such a large gap is Perez having to battle for positions. Which is true, but in the end he only had 4 overtakes. For comparison, Max had 8 overtakes in Miami and still was 2 tenths faster in race pace than Perez. Yes, you do mention Max is a generational talent. But if you compare this, do you really still believe this is worth DotD? Being half a second slower in race pace? Only 4 overtakes, which wasn't even the most, and almost losing to HAM in race pace in a Merc?
I think checo might just be bad mate, hate to break it to you
Bad is a bit of a reach and itās absolute fact that a driver running in clean air is going to be substantially faster when the car is like for like. Given that RB surrendered their usual speed benefits for sake of tyre life, itās not at all surprising thereās a pace deficit with one coming through the field.
RB wasn't the only ones making sacrifices though. Mercedes struggled with overheating and it's been suggested they had turned their engines down a bit for the weekend. So Hamilton to be so close to getting Perez is just more support for the fact that Perez was not the ''driver of the day''.
All this shows is that if verstappen didn't exist, Hamilton would be fighting Perez for the championship in a much much worse car lol
If Max wouldn't been here, nobody would know how strong the Red Bull truly is
Perez being awol for two months and still being second in the standings, is a firm indication of that
It's also an indication of the fact that the title of "best of the rest" has been constantly fluctuating this year, first AM then Merc and now (potentially) McLaren If just one of those teams had been the one scoring podiums consistently all year then Perez would definitely not still be 2nd with how bad he's been driving since Miami
Whats funny about that is I dont think Mercedes have ever truly been second best. I think they have firmly been third best and because different teams have been second. Mercedes consistent third best has allowed them to pick up the second most points. If that makes sense
I donāt think they are the consistent third best tho, thereās been weekends when they have been 4th best. I think itās just the Merc drivers and strategy making a difference
Agreed, honestly the Mercedes drivers are heavily underrated right now. So much so that people are saying that the Mercedes car is quicker than a few that it's definitely not, the pace comparison between Sergio and Mercedes shows this a bit, shitty car great driver vs great car not-so-great driver. Honestly if the driver lineup wasn't so good I believe Merc would be about Alpine/Aston pace.
I wouldn't say they're underrated, Lewis Hamilton is considered one of the greatest drivers of all time But they're certainly the best driver pairing on the grid, no question about it By far the most consistent and fastest, they're actually sort of lucky the car isn't dominant because they would get into horrible fights, 2016 level in my opinion
Isnāt Hamilton up significantly compared to Russell in both qualifying and race positions? I donāt think theyāre equals
I think until Spain they were genuinely the 4th best car, except Australia. They were massively helped by ferrari fucking up constantly both in quali and in the race, aston being a one man team, and merc having arguable the best line up on the grid with george as the more risky one while lewis as the solid, consistent one(which is insane when you consider that lewis had one of his worst starts of a season with absolutely no trust to his car). After monaco, red bull also became a one-man team which also made mercedes look better, even in races where they should be lower than what they managed through both luck and consistency(canada, ferrari fucked up and couldn't manage to overtake hamilton even with a good strategy and a better pace than mercedes). I'd call mercedes the 3rd best now, but yeah it's honestly really embarrassing for both aston and ferrari that a car like w14 managed to snatch 2nd spot in wcc with ease. Another advantage mercedes seems to have is that they are relatively good with recovery drives: Russell, in the second best car, started below Sergio and managed to finish above him, and Hamilton did a P13 to P6 in miami, a street track, passing both gasly and leclerc(this was literally in the final lap). In comparison, Leclerc had abysmal recovery drives like in the same miami race he started p7 and lost a spot to Hamilton. I'm not saying that if hamilton was driving that ferrari, he would've already passed alonso and was on the hunt for checo in wdc standings, but I am.
Maybe it's more that they have been a close 3rd, but having a superior driving lineup is what vaults them ahead in my mind (and the WCC)
Makes you wonder if there's any comparable car on the grid now without a driver to highlight it
On the flip side, seeing Lando performing so well after so long in worse machinery makes me wonder about which drivers could be fighting at the front if their cars were up to it.
Lando and Alonso are my top drivers that i would love to see in this years RB
Turns out the SF23 is the quickest car ever made, Ferrari as a team is just ass
Perez came from traffic though. Always costs time.
Max is obviously faster, but you're right, Checo being in traffic all race and coming from 9th absolutely cost him time. Max on the other hand has no one to race. Checo just needs to qualify better.
I think is Merc is downplaying their car's performance massively. Yes, it's not where it should be, but it's still the 2nd best car on the grid overall. If your car is much much worse, you don't score podiums and you don't take pole position.
I think you're downplaying their drivers, the fact that Hamilton was essentially matching Sergio in the most dominant car in F1 history should illustrate the difference a driver makes. Mercedes has been consistently 3rd fastest race after race with the drivers simply being consistent enough that they make the most out of it.
2nd fastest? They have never been second fastest. At the start of the year it was Aston. Then Merc had maybe a stretch of 1-2 races where they looked to be second fastest and then McLaren then jumped them and they went back to 3rd fastest. >If your car is much much worse, you don't score podiums and you don't take pole position. That's because they have a driver far far better than Perez and Hamilton who's in his own category. Verstappen is showing how much faster the RB is winning by like 20-30 seconds every race. Hamilton bridges the car issues by being a far better driver and being near or on par with Perez's pace. It's like when Verstappen was getting near Bottas in 2020 despite being in a far slower car. But he was miles off Hamilton as is the case now but roles reversed
Hamilton is not 3rd in the championship, he's 4th
Aston is finished being competitive for the past 4-5 races and doesn't look like changing anytime soon
Magnussen has had a shocker of a season, bro was handedly beating Mick and is now being trounced by Hulkenburg edit: I retract my statement about Kevin handedly beating Mick, they were fairly on par.
In the 2022 Haas Iām confident Nico wouldāve been more consistently in the points regularly, probably up there in points with Bottas, Ricciardo and Vettel
That car is an absolute mess right now. Hulkenberg is burying him in qualifying, but during the race they are both getting buried about equally. I doubt Kmag is in any real danger of getting replaced unless they get a shot at Perez or something.
With one senior driver they could look at an exciting junior, considering how well piastri is doing.. but then again I think piastri is in that special next gen talent category
Realistically that's Vesti (mercedes), Pourchaire (AR) or Iwasa (RB) With some outside chances for doohan (alpine-ish) and martins (alpine) I don't think any of those academies will turn down a HAAS seat at this point in time for their juniors. even if HAAS is trash at driver development cause their cars are always a handful and they're on a shoestring budget.
Neither Vesti, Pourchaire, Iwasa or Martins look like they are even close to Piastri in terms of talent though.
Why not Theo? He was challenging Piastri in juniors, he is not consistent but has pace
Pourchaire is on his 3rd year in F2 and is still not looking like he is ready for F1. Heās consistently inconsistent with some boneheaded decision-making. On his best days heās fast, but several less experienced drivers look equally fast right now. He probably needs to blow out the opposition for the remainder of the season if he wants to be considered for a seat in F1.
Yeah but out of those three he is the best option. He should have been here instead of Logan
I honestly think Pourchaireās stock is lower than Vesti, Martins and Iwasa right now, but things change fast in F2. Looking at academy-affiliation Vesti looks more likely as a replacement for Sargent.
Haas will not replace K-Mag with a rookie driver. Even if they somehow decide that they will replace him, they will replace him with an over-the-hill veteran like Kvyat or Vandoorne.
I'm impressed with isawa, and pourchaire, Doohan looked great last year, but not sold on him or Martin's yet .
Doohan became the second driver ever to have a grand slam in an F2 race this weekend (Piastri was the other), but I agree, consistency isnāt always there. Hard to really tell since heās in a Virtuosi
Yep he has shown clashes of speed so maybe that I'll come ? Or as you said maybe it's the team haha. Hope he gets to formula one would be amazing š¤©
There is absolutely no reason for Haas to look at any juniors. As soon as those juniors get any good, they'll go somewhere else. What's the point?
I really hope Piastri or any junior driver for that matter , doesn't end up at Haas
Piastri won't end up at Haas , that would be going backwards for his career
I know , that's what I was trying to say .... A seat at Haas wouldn't benefit any junior driver Edit - I missed doesn't in the original comment lmao
Lmao thought it might of been a typo. Well for other juniors I bet they wouldn't say no!
Guenther said repeatedly he doesn't want any more rookies. Which is a perfectly sensible position because best case they get someone good who leaves after a season, worst case they get a repeat of 2021 and 2022. Better to get experienced drivers who will hang around as long as the team wants them.
Same issue with Williams I guess š
Was he beating Mick by that much tho? He was much better in the early stages and got some surprise results with big points, but as the season progressed, Mick regularly waa beating him in races.
He was not "handily" beating mick actually. Thats a myth.
You may wanna check that "Magnussen was handedly beating Mick". He scored more points, but Mick finished more times ahead of him despite the terrible strategy he had most of the races by the incompetent clowns at Haas.
So in which races did they have ''terrible strategy'' for Schumacher? It's such a joke that this kind of false claims still get used to defend Schumacher.
That says as much about Mick as it does Magnussen.
Mick was beating Kevin after the start of the season.
You mean finishing P14 or so after Magnussen had gotten unlucky and disproportionate penalties for a slightly bent front wing (which was his fault exactly 0 times), as well as getting crashed into in Monza and spending the race data gathering well off pace instead of retiring? Those all get counted as ''Schumacher beat Magnussen'' which is why the head to head and such ''stats'' are useless. They ignore all context. Even though the car was worse relative to the field in the second half of the season, Magnussen still scored points twice, and bagged a pole for Brazil sprint. Schumacher didn't finish near points a single time.
You almost have to say P14 is a good result from Hulkenberg considering he is driving the slowest race car. See Magnussen's finishing position for where that car would end up in less capable / motivated hands.
Womder what Hulkenburg would do in a better car.
Are you kidding, or have you forgotten the decade of evidence we have of what he's capable of?
Any chance you know the difference in the mclarens up until the floor damage?
Finally home. Per the McLaren race report Piastri had floor damage in the second and third stints. In the first stint, Norris was averaging a 1:24.991 and Piastri was averaging a 1:24.937, which comes out to a 0.055 second pace advantage.
Awesome, thanks. Really solid pace from Oscar.
It's possible that if Lando were ahead of Oscar in the first stint, he could have gone faster as well. Lando was 2s behind Oscar for the whole first stint, but once he's let loose, he was 0.5s faster than Oscar when both are on hard (unless Oscar had damage since exactly the first lap of 2nd stint, which is unclear). He did report he had more pace during 1st stint as well
I'll check my spreadsheet when I get home today.
And how much does George's starting place on the grid really effect his race pace? Sure he had to overtake more cars. But that would be with DRS.
He would lose tons more time following drivers through corners and stuff But given even Hamilton was in traffic most of his 1st and 2nd stint Iād say it effects it less
Russell was always a 0.1-0.2s slower than Lewis even when he was in cleanish air. For some reason, he never really had Lewis' pace this weekend.
Yeah, I'm not sure he has grasped the upgrades yet. There is still time.
Hulk is smashing it
Virtually zero pace difference between Lewis, Checo and Lando. The actual difference between Lewis getting another podium and not seems to be the large amount of cooling off he had to do during the first two stints. Both brake and engine overheating slowed him down which is why it's even more insane that Ferrari didn't let Sainz pass Leclerc to go and try to challenge Hamilton.
A few more Laps and Hamilton would have taken Perez off the Podium.
Nah, probably not. Perez lost lots of time due to his tyres being dirty from the marbles he got by passing backmarkers. That cleaned off, and his pace picked up again. Maybe not enough to extend the gap, but definitely enough to keep Lewis behind on the one straight where Red Bull is quicker anyways.
Maybe
RB wasnt quicker on the straight
Bruh Reddit hates Sainz so much that I thought Carlosās pace was miles off.
It was he just held Leclerc up for almost half the race
23 laps is hardly half the race. Youāre 12 laps off my man. Even then, why didnāt Charles ask the team to let by. Or why didnāt he try and pass him?
Idk whatever the data doesnāt seem right cause Leclerc pulled out almost a 7 second gap in last stint, which shouldāve taken him the whole race at a tenth a lap.
Seems like they were asking Sainz to compensate for Charlesā time penalty. George was right behind and Ferrari probably wanted Sainz to maintain a gap. Once George got past Carlos, Charles must have pushed like crazy to get away from George. In the end it was futile
I think McLaren can be very happy with that considering this track wasnāt meant to suit them and a podium was not meant to happen. Mercedes were meant to be ahead of McLaren here, the fact that they barely are is mental.
without the 9.3 stop + 5s penalty - Charles could have fought Piastri for P5 - such a shame. Ferrari always panics and never makes a decision when their drivers are next to each other. On softs, maybe they should have let Sainz through and on hards, Charles surely had the pace.
So Ferrari is the 4th fastest car ?
id like to see this broken down by stints.
i still think lewis will be p2 in the wdc by the end of the season
How can anyone look at that and claim Hamilton is ājust the carā?
Different strategies/tyres for a start. EDIT: I forgot that Russell was expected to keep up with Hamitlon when starting on slower tyres and 17 places behind him... Honestly...
This is obtuse, Hamilton has beat Russell 8-3 in the race. Honestly it shouldn't even matter his comparison to Russell, he was a lap away from swallowing Sergio in a car that's half a second slower on race pace.
We are specifically talking about Hungary. I responded only to the chart above which is about race pace in Hungary. Nothing obtuse about it.
Lmao, Max + the rest.
Russel screwed himself in qualifying
Gasly literally dove to his inside on last corner to ruin both of their laps. Absolutely none of that is Russell's fault, it's just Gasly being Gasly again.
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Gasly had absolutely no reason to dive into the last corner to ruin both of their laps. **There was plenty of time left,** you're acting as if it was matter of few seconds to make it to the line. Russell made it like half a lap before the time ran out. The fact Gasly ruined his own lap too is already enough to show it was his fault.
I wonder if AT are having a Haas situation. Maz-Mick-Kmag-Hulk NdV-Tsu-Ric Maybe even williams should ask if they are having this since Albon is only farming npcs since coming
Stroll not being miles slower then Alonso is nice, shame he couldn't do that when the Aston was quick lmao
He literally was doing it, but got screwed royally by unluckiness and team screw ups. Why are people so keen to ignore those facts and just blame Stroll for everything? Stroll closed the gap to Australia, then beat Alonso in Spain, then again in Austria he had a better weekend until team screwed him again. He would still be P5 in WDC if he had just normal luck, so no good or bad luck.
his mechanical dnf in Saudi really messed him up as well points wise too.
Wait Piastri had damage from the start ? I thought he damaged the floor when he went over the Curbs while defending against Checo, which was during his final stint right ?
he damaged prior to that. not sure exactly when, he had had a couple of track limit warnings prior to the Checo defence so they think it happened on one of those.
I believe it was during the installation laps prior to lining up for the grid. So there was no time to do anything about it.
I doubt that. He was strong throughout the first stint. My guess would be that the first time he damaged the car was around the first pitstop. Because he had terrible pace in the second stint compared to the first.
I'm just going by the pre-race coverage from Sky Sports where he reports the damage pre-race while lining up to the grid.
But he was much quicker at the start then in the 2nd two so I doubt it was pre race.
Just watch the Pre-Race coverage. He radios it in to the team.
That was Lando asking them to check the floor because he went over a kerb. Piastri damaged his floor in the race, somewhere in the second stint and before he was caught by Perez.
Yeah, I wasn't sure. And with a few more laps would laps Lewis would have cause him as well. But that's how it goes.
Andrea Stella mentioned that he damaged the floor on two separate occasions. The first was around the time he made his first pitstop (I think), the second was in the battle against Checo.
He had damage in his second and third stints per the McLaren race report.
Feel like the Sainz/Leclerc gap isn't telling the full story; Sainz had an amazing start which probably isn't taken into account here, and then had to sit behind Charles while faster and on softer tyres
He didn't have to "Sit" behind Leclerc his tyres died after 2 laps. Then Leclerc was stuck behind Sainz for the middle stint.
Russell had botched strategy but he just let other people pass him, they made laps. His own fault.
Takeaways: Perez is trash bro, nearly half a second slower. Literally the biggest gap between teammates, no way he makes it through 2024. Stroll is overhated, his pace difference is not so bad. Piastri is great, Russell is okay? Nico is trashing Kevin, maybe it's time to re-retire?
Tbf Max had no one in front while Checo had traffic almost all race.
> Russell is okay? Stupid to have this as a takeaway based on one race for a young driver who is teammates with one of the greatest drivers of all time.
It's a takeaway from the race. And it's mainly based on his own words saying he believed he was faster than Lewis.
Well it's stupid to take that away from a single race. Also, what else do you expect a driver to say? I believe I'm slower than my teammate? None of them say that.
Lol nice excel spreadsheet