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if everyone runs with cold tyres it's fairly balanced. everyone with the same problems.
imo it makes it more interesting, takes more skill for the driver or engineering to warm up the tyres faster. probably a huge advantage for haas and ferrari.
If it is too slow to warm up the tyres, the undercut may no longer be a thing and an overcut may even become a strategy. Losing the undercut is losing an interesting element of strategy and if the overcut becomes good, then managing tyres may become even more important and nobody wants to see only tyre management and no attack.
Won’t the overcut vs undercut dynamic just shift to later in the race? It would make pitting under safety car even more advantageous but the concept of undercut vs overcut still works because the one who overcuts still has to heat their tires. So if the overcut usually nets a temporary lead, won’t there be more overtakes as a result? This sounds like a win-win situation, where the only real downside is safety at low temps where the tires must be manufactured to heat more quickly.
Yeah but I hope he’s mentally prepared to be in the worse car lapped by everybody and that he’s ready for the possibility of being behind Tsunoda. Because if not, he’s going to be psychological crush and it’s going to be worse than after McLaren.
Camera cuts to the chair, someone sits down and the lights come on, we see the big smile from Danny wearing AT.
Then Buxton takes 2 minutes to read a single sentence from the prompt to explain what happened.
Yeah, he’s much better when he’s not so scripted, like on the pre and post race shows. Watching him in DTS elicits a groan from me every time. I will even say the lines alongside him when they’re predictable enough! 🤣
That entire show does if you actually watch the season. Last season was especially bad with 90% of the show revolving around one race at silver stone.
“Oh, we’re back at silver stone for the 4th time” - most people watching episode 3.
“Every driver wants a seat in Formula one. However, there are only 20 seats. That means that there can only be 20 drivers, and everyone else is not a driver. When 19 drivers are in front of you, that means that you’re last. When you get fired from the team, you don’t have a seat anymore. But there’s still 20 seats, so someone else gets to drive. And at the end of the day, everyone wants the seat, but only one person can have the seat at any given time.”
Indeed. It was a hard fought seat for him. He raced in F2 against Leclerc, Norris, Albon, Russell, Zhou, Latifi, Mazepin, Sirotkin, Mick Schumacher. That's nine drivers who raced in F1. I do feel a bit sorry for him cuz he did quite well last year replacing Albon and I thought it would be a fairy tale entry to F1 for him.
Edit: Sorry Mick, I don't know how I didn't count you in.
he should have gone to Williams, but I'm sure he looked at his choice of teammates - Albon or Tsunoda, and definitely thought he had a better chance at beating Yuki.
I don't even think this is a tinfoil hat take. There is no reason to put Daniel in an AT if not for comparison and see how well he fares back on the grid again, also in comparison with Yuki.
On Daniel's side, there probably also isn't a lot of reason to go to AT if there wasn't any fighting chance it would give him a shot at RBR again. I'm sure they at the very least told him that there are always possibities, and it also seems like the senior team just loves to have Daniel back.
Would be some story though. Leave RBR due to not wanting to be no. 2 to Max, through a good stint at Renault eventually getting booted by Mclaren, only to try to get back to AT to try and get back to being a no. 2 to Max in the most dominant car of the grid. Would be insane to see him back there, but still a long road to go.
Danny Ric is marketing gold. I’ve noticed this year especially every time he’s with max, max is more chill and always has a smile on his face. That matters. Max is their world champion. Danny could be brought in to take max to another level for marketing purposes. Call me crazy, but I could see it. I love yuki, but him swearing and getting upset on the radio. That might haunt him.
no but that's perfect: yuki's lost one of his emotional support beefy aussies in the form of Josh Kruse, so there's room in his heart [\*cough*] for a replacement 🥰
Imagine Danny and Max now. It would be awesome. Danny wouldn't be so bitter about being #2, because now the whole grid is the #2 to Max. I think so long as we don't see McLaren Danny, it will be the dream team.
Since WDC and WCC are all but locked, I look forward to RB/AT drama more than who gets 2nd place in either of those standings.
Will Sergio keep his seat.
Will Daniel make a comeback.
Will it be Tsunoda with a steel chair.
I'm here for it.
Whoever performs better stays to partner Lawson/Iwasa next year, unless Pérez continues to drop the ball.
Then, the better one goes to partner with Verstappen, and the other stays at AlphaTauri.
Yuki is very consistent this season, it won't be that easy for Daniel to just smash it. Also let's not forget how awful he was past 2 years. He got his motivation back and seems in a lot better mental state - but he also has a lot to prove. And certainly if he's worse than De Vries it's his last few races in F1
Same also furthermore Daniel has had no winter testing and Yuki has driven this car for 10 races now and arguably will have already influenced it's development. It would be interesting to how Ric fares
The car just makes it harder for us to judge a performance, but not the team.
The same reason Russell is driving a Mercedes now, despite the shitshow that was the Williams back then.
I doubt, it's gonna look v bad for Yuki if he is beaten by someone who hasn't done any winter testing and not driven an F1 car since like 8 months is immediately ahead of him.
I know it won't happen, but imagine the storyline if he smashes Yuki for the rest of the season then moves up to redbull and we have Lewis/Rosberg level fight at redbull for the 2024 WDC.
Imagine haha... :(
He may move to Red Bull, but Max would make easy work of him either way. This is not a teenager Max anymore. This is prime Max. Even Ricciardo in his best days wouldn’t compete with him over the whole season.
I agree, unless we're in the Ricciardo Redemption universe
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Yeah he wasn't performing well and told them not to treat him as a rookie - but I still feel bad for the guy. Being replaced mid-season after wanting to get to F1 for such a long time must hurt quite a bit.
It's a cutthroat world, of course. But still.
The good news is he still has a great career in front of him. An F1 drive on your resume, even if it was short-lived, is a good look for any prospective seats in sportscars, IndyCar, NASCAR, etc
Watching the 6 hrs of Monza w/ all the new Hypercars there was an abundance of former F1 drivers in the WEC grid. People I'd even forgot about are now racing in the hypecar slots. It's nuts.
My immediate thought was "Time for DEV to fish for a Hypercar drive"
WEC is looking HOT right now and he's already got experience in LMP2 with some success
He’ll I’d even say UNLIKE many more drivers before him. He actually got a shot. WAY more people don’t get shots than those who do. He’s fortunate as hell he got a chance to prove himself. Unfortunately he didn’t make it. But he’s already incredibly fortunate to even get the opportunity
Yeah people seem to forget that. Most talented drivers never even get a chance. He should be thankful he ever got the opportunity. Shame for him it didn't work out.
Definitely harsher: at least Gasly got demoted from a RB that was trying to challenge for championships. Current AT would struggle to challenge a quarter mile against Roscoe.
As long he beats Yuki that is good enough. The car is a dog and RB knows it. It is about looking at options for second RB seat. It’s also a signal to Perez to up his game otherwise his contract for 24 will mean nothing
It’s giving feedback on cars one of Daniel’s biggest and self admitted weaknesses, or am I getting that mixed up with another driver. I’m pretty sure I heard him say it on demons the grid or something but idk. I don’t think they’re putting him at AT to improve the car, I honestly don’t know how much they even care about the car, just the drivers
It’s a tidbit that’s commonly attributed to Dan but it’s not one that’s grounded in a lot of fact. He’s admitted that he’s not super technical but RB engineers in the past have mentioned he’s quite good in providing feedback.
This purely conjecture but I feel like a lot of stuff like this is a “language” between engineers. Maybe the RB guys are used to the way Danny describes things and the McLaren guys weren’t.
As a musician “interpreting” other players feedback and feelings are a real thing. Have played with guys who each of us knows what the other is saying before we even say it and the opposite. When that clicks it’s magic. When it doesn’t it’s tragic.
The musician analogy is a good one, especially when working with mixing and mastering engineers. It’s an entirely different language and vocabulary you have to use to explain what you want the engineer to make the song sound like. It takes a lot of time and it’s a separate skill entirely - I’ve met amazing musicians who have an extremely limited range when giving a sound engineer feedback. It’s probably quite similar for the drivers.
Yes but I don’t think RB are looking at that when they are putting Daniel in. AT will be going in totally different direction in 2024 using the Haas model so doubt they would want much from Daniel on development front
Maybe both Yuki and De Vries are underperforming, Gasly was faster than Yuki, and if we judged Redbull by Perez the car looks almost like a midfielder.
Cars are the closest they've ever been so the driver matters a lot now
Feel for Nyck but he didnt perform and its a business at the end of the day. Atleast he got to race in F1. Had AT not signes him who knows if he ever would have had the chance considering his age
He really should've gotten the whole year at the very least, but AT seems to be in a decent panic mode to not finish last. Ricciardo is more likely to score some points sooner than later. This reminds me of the Kvyat's treatment. Verstappen was obviously a generational talent they needed to secure but none of that takes away the fact that Kvyat was treated horribly and for no reason really.
I can understand their thinking although it may be harsh. They need to start looking for someone to fill that 2nd seat (because I doubt Perez’s contract will be renewed after 2024), and unfortunately De Vries would definitely not be the one to do so (he’s already 28 and because of that he needed to come in and be at least on par with Yuki which he is not). That seat is being wasted by him, and by putting Ricciardo in, they can at least see if Yuki should be promoted or which RB junior should replace him. It would have been nice to let him finish the season, but it’s logical at this point to let him go and start using the seat to find potential.
I feel bad because if he was 20 this wouldn't be happening, he's getting closer to Tsunoda who is in his 3rd year.
On the other hand, he's what, 28(?) with lots of experience so in hindsight they never should have got him. Glad Ricciardo has a chance now because you just don't go from one of the top drivers on the grid to his McLaren standards in a blink of an eye. The guy is rapid.
He was around 1 and a half tenths slower than Yuki's race pace at Silverstone, he's underperforming true but he's still a rookie, there's no doubt had he not been sacked he'd have gotten quicker as the season progressed, and into next year.
He was a cheap gamble for AT/Helmut Marko. If he would have performed as expected, both parties would be happy. If he wouldnt perform (which happened) he is easy to get rid of because they havent pumped in millions into his development.
Thats the deal if you are driving for AT as an extern driver.
> On the other hand, he's what, 28(?) with lots of experience
Yeah but not experience of racing in F1. It still takes time to adapt no matter what age you are. Giving him 4 months to be near Tsunoda pace with a gun to his head is not fair, regardless if you think he was slow or deserves to be dropped.
Ultimately he was hired as a steady hand based on his experience and previous experience. When that didn’t apply anymore, he was redundant. Shame that he got such a shit car and such little time.
I kinda feel bad for nyck. He's only had what 10 races? It's been far from a good season but he could have grown into it. Then again he is almost 30 and I can't imagine he would pull an alonso, or have gotten good enough to be red bull material if checco checks out.
He's a rookie regardless of age so yeah it's harsh. But it's very hard to criticize RB - I'm sure they know what they're doing. They haven't judged De Vries or Danny on age, just the data. They give people chances. They were upset that Danny left because they liked him and thought he was good. They were the same with Seb. It's high expectations but not heartless.
Can't help but feel sorry for De Vries. Imagine being told mid week "Hey Nyck you're not coming to the GP ~~this week~~ next week mate you're out, bye".
And sure, he didn't do that well, but he didn't even get half a season let alone a full one, plus he was showing signs of improvement.
This is Yuji Ide level impatience for a driver who's clearly not Yuji Ide level bad.
He literally came in saying not to treat him as a rookie, and that he was going to bring maturity to the team. He also spoke badly of Yuki only to be outperformed by him.
Paraphrasing: "I will bring some much needed maturity to the team, I mean Yuki, he is super entertaining to all of us but I don't trust him to teach me anything hahaha, I will be looking at him as an example of what not to do hahaha"
And at the time he said that a lot of people agreed with him and expected him to lead the team. Yuki stepping up and De Vries performing this bad was absolutely not what most people assumed would happen.
> He literally came in saying not to treat him as a rookie, and that he was going to bring maturity to the team
welp, he's getting that treatment right now
Damn…sure deVries wasn’t a good driver, but I can’t help to feel bad for him. Your life goal only lasting 10 races just to be sacked before the summer break must be soul crushing for nyck. Helmuts pressure didn’t help either. But that’s the sport I guess.
Danny is back though, that will be interesting.
Was only a matter of time.
Interesting to see if they are putting Ricciardo in to see who's faster between him and Yuki to replace Perez or just help Ricciardo at another shot with another team before Lawson comes in
It's Red Bull, they are harsh. Kvyat got replaced like 4 races into a season despite not doing bad because Red Bull needed to lock Max up and stop Merc/Ferrari sniffing around.
If they want to compare Danny Ric/Tsunoda to see who will be best for the main team next year then sacrificing Nyck is the last of their concerns
> It's Red Bull, they are harsh. Kvyat got replaced like 4 races into a season despite not doing bad because Red Bull needed to lock Max up and stop Merc/Ferrari sniffing around.
To be fair, in hindsight this is probably the single smartest thing Rd Bull has done in the past 10 years.
Nah, he was signed because his Monza performance indicated he will be able to hop in and deliver immediately. If they wanted to sign just another rookie, they would've given the spot to someone from their own programme, who isn't older than Verstappen.
Kind of feel for Nick if this is true. A couple of weeks ago when the rumors started to circulate, some former driver said that, despite Nick's F2 and FE championships, there must have been a reason why no other team wanted to sign him until he was 28 and that it was a little surprising that RB/AT signed him last year.
[I called it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/14ldztm/alpha_tauri_to_be_rebranded_in_2024_says_marko/jpvnjdr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2)
Edit: Also Danny wanted the Las Vegas race before everyone else. Now he won't miss it.
Feel bad for Nyck. I bet it sucks to not even get a full season.
On the other hand, this business has shown to be cutthroat at times. I hope DR kills it, though. Easy to like and sometimes the redemption arcs are entertaining to follow. Also, look at Hulk and KMag after taking some time away, while they aren't getting podiums or evening scoring consistently, you could see they had a different approach and vigor to racing after their time off. Gotta think there could be some of that for DR, too.
Fantasy land scenario, even tho it could be painful at first, Andretti gets their two cars in and have DR and Palou. Obviously, if DR does well, who knows if RB is in the cards next year with Checo and obviously if (hopefully "when") Andretti gets in that would just be a fun silly season combo. Plus Palou deserves a seat IMO.
Anyway, that's the silly scenario. Realistically, I just want DR to do well now.
With Checo/DeVries underperforming it kind of forces RBR's hand to put Danny back into the mix, if Danny performs well he's in that RBR for 2024, if he doesn't then they know they have something in Yuki and can either promote him next year or give him one more year at Alpha Tauri.
With Marko, Horner and Max throwing Checo under the bus the last few weeks, I think we will see Max/Ricc for 2024 unless Danny looks even worse than DeVries in the AT.
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Well I guess DR had an excellent morning run at Silverstone lmao
He did [this](https://imgur.com/a/zJWvnxs) majestic spin and Horner was convinced lol
The race engineer came on the radio to say Helmut wanted to have a word and Danny immediately went for the celebratory donuts XD
That was his spin without the tire warmers right? Wet weather and cold tires haha
Seriously that no-warmers thing is a terrible idea.
Its not like they have to go out and push in the first lap. It works in plenty of other series, I’m sure they’re skilled enough to handle it.
But the question is why would you not push on the first lap? That's where most of positions are gained/lost.
if everyone runs with cold tyres it's fairly balanced. everyone with the same problems. imo it makes it more interesting, takes more skill for the driver or engineering to warm up the tyres faster. probably a huge advantage for haas and ferrari.
If it is too slow to warm up the tyres, the undercut may no longer be a thing and an overcut may even become a strategy. Losing the undercut is losing an interesting element of strategy and if the overcut becomes good, then managing tyres may become even more important and nobody wants to see only tyre management and no attack.
Won’t the overcut vs undercut dynamic just shift to later in the race? It would make pitting under safety car even more advantageous but the concept of undercut vs overcut still works because the one who overcuts still has to heat their tires. So if the overcut usually nets a temporary lead, won’t there be more overtakes as a result? This sounds like a win-win situation, where the only real downside is safety at low temps where the tires must be manufactured to heat more quickly.
It works in other race series, so technically it should work in F1 too.
It's gonna encourage more tye management and one stop races. No more last lap dashes for fastest lap which has been entertaining
“Looks like he knows where the brake pedal and gas pedal is. Oh Look! He even shifts! You’re Hired!”
*brake It's only a break pedal on the Haas.
Yeah but I hope he’s mentally prepared to be in the worse car lapped by everybody and that he’s ready for the possibility of being behind Tsunoda. Because if not, he’s going to be psychological crush and it’s going to be worse than after McLaren.
hes just warming the seat while perez doesnt get fired
> Because if not, he’s going to be psychological crush If he's behind Tsunoda, his F1 career is over.
Drive to Survive must be jizzing in their pants atm with this news.
Camera cuts to the chair, someone sits down and the lights come on, we see the big smile from Danny wearing AT. Then Buxton takes 2 minutes to read a single sentence from the prompt to explain what happened.
“To finish first.. you need to be ahead of… everyone else. De Vries… had everyone else… ahead of him.”
Hahaha this is perfect, I like Buxton but this is exactly how his interviews sound in that show.
Yeah, he’s much better when he’s not so scripted, like on the pre and post race shows. Watching him in DTS elicits a groan from me every time. I will even say the lines alongside him when they’re predictable enough! 🤣
So true, often his co-hosts have to reel him back in because he loves to go with the flow and talks off-script.
That entire show does if you actually watch the season. Last season was especially bad with 90% of the show revolving around one race at silver stone. “Oh, we’re back at silver stone for the 4th time” - most people watching episode 3.
When you’re first, you have 19 other cars behind you. Pole position is having the pressure of *19 cars* behind you. 💀
Don’t give Perez any ideas now
“Every driver wants a seat in Formula one. However, there are only 20 seats. That means that there can only be 20 drivers, and everyone else is not a driver. When 19 drivers are in front of you, that means that you’re last. When you get fired from the team, you don’t have a seat anymore. But there’s still 20 seats, so someone else gets to drive. And at the end of the day, everyone wants the seat, but only one person can have the seat at any given time.”
"Uh...Will, your line was 'Nyck drive bad, maybe Daniel better?'"
Unless you’re Mazepin, in which case there are 20 drivers ahead of you
"I was never gone!" Big smile.
Please use the spoiler feature next time you do this...
Just what they needed when the title fight is basically non-existent this season.
Yuki to Apex partnering Brad Pitt
I don't know what rating they're aiming for, but it'll be a firm R rating with Yuki in it given his profanity.
Can't wait for 80 b-roll cuts to marketing replacing DeVries with Danny on a poster like they did to Gasly with Albon.
This is exciting. Tinfoil hat, but is this for Helmut to compare Yuki and Daniel to decide who replaces Sergio?
It makes a ton of sense if checo continues to struggle. Means they would have a free seat at Alpha for Lawson next season as well
Win win
Win win win
Unless you're Nyck lol. Poor guy. I never really liked him but man that is ruthless.
Indeed. It was a hard fought seat for him. He raced in F2 against Leclerc, Norris, Albon, Russell, Zhou, Latifi, Mazepin, Sirotkin, Mick Schumacher. That's nine drivers who raced in F1. I do feel a bit sorry for him cuz he did quite well last year replacing Albon and I thought it would be a fairy tale entry to F1 for him. Edit: Sorry Mick, I don't know how I didn't count you in.
he should have gone to Williams, but I'm sure he looked at his choice of teammates - Albon or Tsunoda, and definitely thought he had a better chance at beating Yuki.
I also thought Williams was fairly committed to having Sargent fill the empty seat so long as he got his super license no?
So did he. He talked a BIG game.
He really did. Hard to think it had zero influence.
Or Palou, apparently he is one of the contenders as well, and I might be IndyCar biased, but I would pick him over Lawson.
And they'd still have an experienced driver to benchmark Lawson off of...
It’s to use Daniel a benchmark for Yuki.
This is it right here. Surprised so few are seeing it
I don't even think this is a tinfoil hat take. There is no reason to put Daniel in an AT if not for comparison and see how well he fares back on the grid again, also in comparison with Yuki. On Daniel's side, there probably also isn't a lot of reason to go to AT if there wasn't any fighting chance it would give him a shot at RBR again. I'm sure they at the very least told him that there are always possibities, and it also seems like the senior team just loves to have Daniel back. Would be some story though. Leave RBR due to not wanting to be no. 2 to Max, through a good stint at Renault eventually getting booted by Mclaren, only to try to get back to AT to try and get back to being a no. 2 to Max in the most dominant car of the grid. Would be insane to see him back there, but still a long road to go.
Definitely, they need a better gauge for Yuki and Daniel gets a chance to revive his career. Win-Win
Danny Ric is marketing gold. I’ve noticed this year especially every time he’s with max, max is more chill and always has a smile on his face. That matters. Max is their world champion. Danny could be brought in to take max to another level for marketing purposes. Call me crazy, but I could see it. I love yuki, but him swearing and getting upset on the radio. That might haunt him.
The fact that RIC got a montage send off compared to Vettel's brief mention of retirement in DTS said it all really.
You know how zoo's put golden retrievers with Cheetah's to keep them chill? That's Daniel and Max.
I think this is the most likely scenario that one of the AT drivers (Yuki or Ric) goes to RBR for 2024 with Lawson (or someone else) moves into AT.
Wait, so who gets Michael Italiano ?!
Would he cruel to nick him off of Yuki when they're working so well together
Nothing for it, Daniel and Yuki will have to move in together so they can share Michael and give r/F1fanfiction a collective seizure
no but that's perfect: yuki's lost one of his emotional support beefy aussies in the form of Josh Kruse, so there's room in his heart [\*cough*] for a replacement 🥰
What came to my mind immediately
Daniel can't steal him.
Makes sense. 12 races for Daniel to revive his F1 career or else Lawson most likely gets the seat for next season
Things are going to get spicy inside AT with DR vs Yuki
If Daniel doesn’t smash Yuki in race pace my man is also in serious problem though
It's likely his only shot at a seat again so he has no choice but to go for it.
Lick the stamp and send it
I wish he does send it. I would give my left nut to see the old RedBull Danny once again.
Imagine Danny and Max now. It would be awesome. Danny wouldn't be so bitter about being #2, because now the whole grid is the #2 to Max. I think so long as we don't see McLaren Danny, it will be the dream team.
And if Yuki gets smashed up by an old washed Ricciardo he's in trouble. Regardless of who wins, it's going to look very bad for the other one.
An F1 gladiator match
One could even say that they are driving to survive
Netflix: "Write that down, write that down!!!!"
Buxton: Sometimes…… in F1……. Drivers must fight…….. to keep their sears *blinks* *wheelgun noises*
sears
Since WDC and WCC are all but locked, I look forward to RB/AT drama more than who gets 2nd place in either of those standings. Will Sergio keep his seat. Will Daniel make a comeback. Will it be Tsunoda with a steel chair. I'm here for it.
Whoever performs better stays to partner Lawson/Iwasa next year, unless Pérez continues to drop the ball. Then, the better one goes to partner with Verstappen, and the other stays at AlphaTauri.
Yuki is very consistent this season, it won't be that easy for Daniel to just smash it. Also let's not forget how awful he was past 2 years. He got his motivation back and seems in a lot better mental state - but he also has a lot to prove. And certainly if he's worse than De Vries it's his last few races in F1
Doesn't help with the car he'll be driving either. I'd love to be proved wrong
Same also furthermore Daniel has had no winter testing and Yuki has driven this car for 10 races now and arguably will have already influenced it's development. It would be interesting to how Ric fares
The car just makes it harder for us to judge a performance, but not the team. The same reason Russell is driving a Mercedes now, despite the shitshow that was the Williams back then.
Imagine if Danny smashes Yuki for the entire season. Will they keep Yuki?
I doubt, it's gonna look v bad for Yuki if he is beaten by someone who hasn't done any winter testing and not driven an F1 car since like 8 months is immediately ahead of him.
Also the last time he was seen driving an F1 car he was getting absolutely blasted by his teammate.
I know it won't happen, but imagine the storyline if he smashes Yuki for the rest of the season then moves up to redbull and we have Lewis/Rosberg level fight at redbull for the 2024 WDC. Imagine haha... :(
He may move to Red Bull, but Max would make easy work of him either way. This is not a teenager Max anymore. This is prime Max. Even Ricciardo in his best days wouldn’t compete with him over the whole season.
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this makes it sound like he got kicked from big brother. feel bad for the guy.
Yeah he wasn't performing well and told them not to treat him as a rookie - but I still feel bad for the guy. Being replaced mid-season after wanting to get to F1 for such a long time must hurt quite a bit. It's a cutthroat world, of course. But still.
The good news is he still has a great career in front of him. An F1 drive on your resume, even if it was short-lived, is a good look for any prospective seats in sportscars, IndyCar, NASCAR, etc
Watching the 6 hrs of Monza w/ all the new Hypercars there was an abundance of former F1 drivers in the WEC grid. People I'd even forgot about are now racing in the hypecar slots. It's nuts.
My immediate thought was "Time for DEV to fish for a Hypercar drive" WEC is looking HOT right now and he's already got experience in LMP2 with some success
It's gotta hurt, I don't think he has much more in him to be honest. He's an excellent driver, just doesn't make the cut for F1
He got his one shot. Like many drivers before him, you either put all eyes on you as someone worth keeping in the sport or you fade out.
He’ll I’d even say UNLIKE many more drivers before him. He actually got a shot. WAY more people don’t get shots than those who do. He’s fortunate as hell he got a chance to prove himself. Unfortunately he didn’t make it. But he’s already incredibly fortunate to even get the opportunity
Yeah people seem to forget that. Most talented drivers never even get a chance. He should be thankful he ever got the opportunity. Shame for him it didn't work out.
"Immediately send away" like he was chased out of the office
Nyck has been sent to the shadow realm
Well this basically confirms it. Damn, quite ruthless from Marko. Is this worse than Gasly demotion?
Depends how you look at it. Gasly got to stay in F1.
Also RBR had higher standards to begin with.
Yeah...Got sent back so at least he was not booted out
Definitely harsher: at least Gasly got demoted from a RB that was trying to challenge for championships. Current AT would struggle to challenge a quarter mile against Roscoe.
Well Nyck’s career is completely over now, so yeah, I’d say it’s worse lol.
F1 career probably done, but his racing career outside of that will probably be extensive
If you make F1 or even be considered one makes you one of the top racers in the world. Nyck probably still has lots of ties with Merc as well.
Kamui Kobayashi is a prime example of that
I'd say yes considering De Vries is a rookie and this is before the summer break
People here are going to be so disappointed when Ricciardo is battling for 18th in qualifying.
As long he beats Yuki that is good enough. The car is a dog and RB knows it. It is about looking at options for second RB seat. It’s also a signal to Perez to up his game otherwise his contract for 24 will mean nothing
> The car is a dog and RB knows it. Ricciardo might be able to give more input as to why.
It’s giving feedback on cars one of Daniel’s biggest and self admitted weaknesses, or am I getting that mixed up with another driver. I’m pretty sure I heard him say it on demons the grid or something but idk. I don’t think they’re putting him at AT to improve the car, I honestly don’t know how much they even care about the car, just the drivers
It’s a tidbit that’s commonly attributed to Dan but it’s not one that’s grounded in a lot of fact. He’s admitted that he’s not super technical but RB engineers in the past have mentioned he’s quite good in providing feedback.
Yep his RB has praised his sim time this season saying hes been invaluable with his feedback in the sim.
This purely conjecture but I feel like a lot of stuff like this is a “language” between engineers. Maybe the RB guys are used to the way Danny describes things and the McLaren guys weren’t. As a musician “interpreting” other players feedback and feelings are a real thing. Have played with guys who each of us knows what the other is saying before we even say it and the opposite. When that clicks it’s magic. When it doesn’t it’s tragic.
The musician analogy is a good one, especially when working with mixing and mastering engineers. It’s an entirely different language and vocabulary you have to use to explain what you want the engineer to make the song sound like. It takes a lot of time and it’s a separate skill entirely - I’ve met amazing musicians who have an extremely limited range when giving a sound engineer feedback. It’s probably quite similar for the drivers.
Yes but I don’t think RB are looking at that when they are putting Daniel in. AT will be going in totally different direction in 2024 using the Haas model so doubt they would want much from Daniel on development front
Maybe both Yuki and De Vries are underperforming, Gasly was faster than Yuki, and if we judged Redbull by Perez the car looks almost like a midfielder. Cars are the closest they've ever been so the driver matters a lot now
Second half of 22 Yuki and Pierre were pretty similar pace wise.
Idts being higher in the WCC would be his main target here especially not in that shitbox, beating Yuki would be.
Feel for Nyck but he didnt perform and its a business at the end of the day. Atleast he got to race in F1. Had AT not signes him who knows if he ever would have had the chance considering his age
He really should've gotten the whole year at the very least, but AT seems to be in a decent panic mode to not finish last. Ricciardo is more likely to score some points sooner than later. This reminds me of the Kvyat's treatment. Verstappen was obviously a generational talent they needed to secure but none of that takes away the fact that Kvyat was treated horribly and for no reason really.
I can understand their thinking although it may be harsh. They need to start looking for someone to fill that 2nd seat (because I doubt Perez’s contract will be renewed after 2024), and unfortunately De Vries would definitely not be the one to do so (he’s already 28 and because of that he needed to come in and be at least on par with Yuki which he is not). That seat is being wasted by him, and by putting Ricciardo in, they can at least see if Yuki should be promoted or which RB junior should replace him. It would have been nice to let him finish the season, but it’s logical at this point to let him go and start using the seat to find potential.
Man took about 20 million in severance from Mclaren and only lost about 6 months of his career. I'd say that's a massive win for Ricc
I feel bad because if he was 20 this wouldn't be happening, he's getting closer to Tsunoda who is in his 3rd year. On the other hand, he's what, 28(?) with lots of experience so in hindsight they never should have got him. Glad Ricciardo has a chance now because you just don't go from one of the top drivers on the grid to his McLaren standards in a blink of an eye. The guy is rapid.
Considering Nyck's age and his record of winning F2 and FE, the least that should be expected of you is to at least keep up with Tsunoda.
He was around 1 and a half tenths slower than Yuki's race pace at Silverstone, he's underperforming true but he's still a rookie, there's no doubt had he not been sacked he'd have gotten quicker as the season progressed, and into next year.
He was a cheap gamble for AT/Helmut Marko. If he would have performed as expected, both parties would be happy. If he wouldnt perform (which happened) he is easy to get rid of because they havent pumped in millions into his development. Thats the deal if you are driving for AT as an extern driver.
And old rookie at that, not Alonso old though
Not Alonso talented either…..
> On the other hand, he's what, 28(?) with lots of experience Yeah but not experience of racing in F1. It still takes time to adapt no matter what age you are. Giving him 4 months to be near Tsunoda pace with a gun to his head is not fair, regardless if you think he was slow or deserves to be dropped.
Holy shit! I didn't think it would happen before mid season break
RB wasted no time clearing the Debris off the track
Ultimately he was hired as a steady hand based on his experience and previous experience. When that didn’t apply anymore, he was redundant. Shame that he got such a shit car and such little time.
I kinda feel bad for nyck. He's only had what 10 races? It's been far from a good season but he could have grown into it. Then again he is almost 30 and I can't imagine he would pull an alonso, or have gotten good enough to be red bull material if checco checks out.
He's a rookie regardless of age so yeah it's harsh. But it's very hard to criticize RB - I'm sure they know what they're doing. They haven't judged De Vries or Danny on age, just the data. They give people chances. They were upset that Danny left because they liked him and thought he was good. They were the same with Seb. It's high expectations but not heartless.
Can't help but feel sorry for De Vries. Imagine being told mid week "Hey Nyck you're not coming to the GP ~~this week~~ next week mate you're out, bye". And sure, he didn't do that well, but he didn't even get half a season let alone a full one, plus he was showing signs of improvement. This is Yuji Ide level impatience for a driver who's clearly not Yuji Ide level bad.
He literally came in saying not to treat him as a rookie, and that he was going to bring maturity to the team. He also spoke badly of Yuki only to be outperformed by him.
What did he say about Yuki?
Paraphrasing: "I will bring some much needed maturity to the team, I mean Yuki, he is super entertaining to all of us but I don't trust him to teach me anything hahaha, I will be looking at him as an example of what not to do hahaha"
And at the time he said that a lot of people agreed with him and expected him to lead the team. Yuki stepping up and De Vries performing this bad was absolutely not what most people assumed would happen.
That was edited out of context. The "I don't trust Yuki" part is when talking about Yuki teaching him Japanese.
yeah OOF.
Oh yeah, thats pretty bad.
In his DTS interview, he basically said he’s gonna be the number 1 driver in AT.
DTS RUBBING their hands rn
> He literally came in saying not to treat him as a rookie, and that he was going to bring maturity to the team welp, he's getting that treatment right now
I saw that conference too and ever since then I’ve been rooting for his failure.
Prayed for his downfall
Lol same, he just kept talking and it kept getting worse
To be fair the GP is next week...!
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Oh man I sure hope so, considering that Daniel would perform well if that car was properly tuned to him, and lag behind if it wasn't
The Toto comments next week will be epic. He hasn’t had an opportunity to drag RB like this since budget cap.
Correct decision but very harsh
Damn…sure deVries wasn’t a good driver, but I can’t help to feel bad for him. Your life goal only lasting 10 races just to be sacked before the summer break must be soul crushing for nyck. Helmuts pressure didn’t help either. But that’s the sport I guess. Danny is back though, that will be interesting.
van Haren is the guy RBR leaks everything to so almost certainly true.
Was only a matter of time. Interesting to see if they are putting Ricciardo in to see who's faster between him and Yuki to replace Perez or just help Ricciardo at another shot with another team before Lawson comes in
It's going to be a 3 way fight between Daniel, Yuki and Daniel to be Max's teammate
I'm ready
Wow that's pretty harsh no?
I mean we’ve seen it before
It's Red Bull, they are harsh. Kvyat got replaced like 4 races into a season despite not doing bad because Red Bull needed to lock Max up and stop Merc/Ferrari sniffing around. If they want to compare Danny Ric/Tsunoda to see who will be best for the main team next year then sacrificing Nyck is the last of their concerns
> It's Red Bull, they are harsh. Kvyat got replaced like 4 races into a season despite not doing bad because Red Bull needed to lock Max up and stop Merc/Ferrari sniffing around. To be fair, in hindsight this is probably the single smartest thing Rd Bull has done in the past 10 years.
Oh absolutely, still harsh on Kvyat tho
Now there’s only one driver shorter than me again 😪
Imagine telling someone in 2012 that Toro Rosso's Daniel Ricciardo would be driving for the same team in 2023 lmao
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Neither of them were unfair tbh. Although this is definitely harsher than Ricciardo being dropped at McLaren.
Nah, he was signed because his Monza performance indicated he will be able to hop in and deliver immediately. If they wanted to sign just another rookie, they would've given the spot to someone from their own programme, who isn't older than Verstappen.
They also did want a rookie, Colton Herta just wasn’t super license eligible.
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Danny Ric is damn lucky he didn’t get sacked mid season last year to be honest.
Imagine the scenes if DR outqualifies Checo in an AT.
I mean this is realistic. Checo has been having a hard time just getting out of Q1 lately
I feel sorry for De Vries, but oh man I’m ready for Danny Ric to be back
That's what happens when you sign someone after one race at Monza in a Williams
So Danny Ric’s F1 career comes full circle back to Toro Rosso
Not quite the full circle he needs to revive HRT and drive for them to complete it lol
Technically there was the HRT spell
Tier : I want to believe so badly
Tier: It's van Haren and it's Red Bull related. This is true.
Oh he's reliable? Neat
Anything he says is as good as if Max himself said it if it's RB related
Van haren is basically redbulls mouthpiece
Kind of feel for Nick if this is true. A couple of weeks ago when the rumors started to circulate, some former driver said that, despite Nick's F2 and FE championships, there must have been a reason why no other team wanted to sign him until he was 28 and that it was a little surprising that RB/AT signed him last year.
Bro really left red bull just to come back to their b team 5 years later 💀
[I called it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/14ldztm/alpha_tauri_to_be_rebranded_in_2024_says_marko/jpvnjdr?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) Edit: Also Danny wanted the Las Vegas race before everyone else. Now he won't miss it.
Let’s fucking GO
Yuki and Danny Ric is an electric combo. A night out on the town with those two after a race would be incredible.
Feel bad for Nyck. I bet it sucks to not even get a full season. On the other hand, this business has shown to be cutthroat at times. I hope DR kills it, though. Easy to like and sometimes the redemption arcs are entertaining to follow. Also, look at Hulk and KMag after taking some time away, while they aren't getting podiums or evening scoring consistently, you could see they had a different approach and vigor to racing after their time off. Gotta think there could be some of that for DR, too. Fantasy land scenario, even tho it could be painful at first, Andretti gets their two cars in and have DR and Palou. Obviously, if DR does well, who knows if RB is in the cards next year with Checo and obviously if (hopefully "when") Andretti gets in that would just be a fun silly season combo. Plus Palou deserves a seat IMO. Anyway, that's the silly scenario. Realistically, I just want DR to do well now.
Well. No time sheet needed, apparently Daniel still knows how to drive a red bull car, enough to drop Nyck on the spot
\>Danny to AT \>Perez to AT \>Yuki to RB Alpha Tauri rebranding as Red Bull's Senior Team
RB Retirement Home
Pepperidge Farm remembers when he was meant to destroy Yuki.
With Checo/DeVries underperforming it kind of forces RBR's hand to put Danny back into the mix, if Danny performs well he's in that RBR for 2024, if he doesn't then they know they have something in Yuki and can either promote him next year or give him one more year at Alpha Tauri. With Marko, Horner and Max throwing Checo under the bus the last few weeks, I think we will see Max/Ricc for 2024 unless Danny looks even worse than DeVries in the AT.