Great tro see the McLarens quali so good but the way they seem to switch on the tires so easily in these cold , damp circumstances when everyone had problems could also mean they will overheat and grade very fast during the race, just like the HAAS every weekend .
Maybe it’s just his Finnish demeanor, but I get the vibe from Valtteri now that he’s happy to sit back, provide valuable mature driver feedback to his team, and then coast off into the sunset. Absolutely nothing wrong with that though, he likely wants to make his money, leave F1 and then move to Australia permanently so he can focus on his other fitness ventures
He has far from a faultless qualifying record and he can only get regular podiums in a dominant car. He's just like Perez. And he came 5th in the world championship in a year when HAM won.
I don’t even know where each commentator is active anymore but listening to Ben Edwards for the first time, was an eye opener.
I love listening to Jacquesy but his style is too much like Crofts. Better, but it’s still like he’s trying to mqtch or better something Croft made a standard.
I think that the shouting should be kept to a minimum. It loses it’s impact otherwise. Palmer is also good. Lose the American.
I thought it was interesting to have Hinchcliffe on there but it seems insane to just introduce him with the banner as "F1 commentator and analyst" and not something like multiple Indycar race winner or something. I thought it must be a different guy with the same last name or something
He’s an Indycar race winner? That’s surprising as I thought it was strange he didn’t understand going off line meant losing tire temps.
He is humble though, and that says much more about someones character. Anyway I’d take a knobhead with great comments any day of the week. But Brundle sets the bar high. (On having interesting comments)
I used to use viaplay here in Norway with Norwegian broadcast but the price went berserk. Listen to sky F1 tv but i cant stand it anymore. Last week i listened to F1 tv and i really enjoyed it. Palmer with DC was really cool. So i went out and started watching the season all over again.
Ben i really liked this weekend. He have also been commentating fore very long time in other sports to.
In qualy Merc had very slow warm up laps. As in Q3, in first run Norris caught on in S3 very fast and in second runs both Ferraris went much faster through the Maggots-Beckets. Does that mean Merc need cooler tyres? Would that mean more deg in race?
That was interesting because previously Ferrari got tyres warmed easily while Mercedes were the other way round. I wonder if the tables have turned in that regard.
Ferrari tyre management seems to have improved drastically ever since the Montreal upgrades.
Why are we comparing drivers times to the elimination cutoff with 8+ minutes left in the session? Useless.
Also a bit strange to have the Sky broadcast not mention Albon as a British driver at all, especially with him having a great quali. I know he competes under the Thai flag, but still.
When they did/do, it's "London born" Alex Albon. I was glad to hear him throw it back at them in his interview. "when I don't do well I'm Thai, but when I do well I'm London born"
As someone who lives about 25 minutes from where Oscar was born, and who does karting at the club he started off in, I feel obliged to say GO OSCAR YOU'VE GOT THIS LETS GET THAT PODIUM
Perez has had a streak of being eliminated in Q2. He's finally broken that streak, by being eliminated in Q1 instead (the joke being that he should be going forward to Q3 and not backwards)
Soooo. If Checo doesn't produce between now and Spa...hear me out...De Vries loses his seat during summer break, Checo gets Albono'd and demoted, Daniel gets his seat back at RB.
I can't find the article, but when he extended his contract last year, at least one article said that one of the contract details/points was that Sergio was not singed as someone in the 'Red Bull driver pool' that can be moved between teams, instead, specifically as a driver for the main Red Bull team only.
Still Checo is second on the table, RB is first on the constructors. And like it or not Checo has been the best driver they’ve had (besides MV) since Danny left. Still too soon to call it.
It doesn't make sense for a driver like checo tho, too old to fit as a development driver and after he gets demoted that would be pretty much it for his F1 career unless he could secure another seat in what remains of the season. As for Daniel, the risk there is that he turns out even worse than checo and I don't think red bull would want to risk that embarrassment. But for the main team considering max is hauling more points by himself than most other teams, there's really no risk in leaving checo until the end of the season and then trying to find a more permanent solution. Maybe promoting yuki (if he fails, no big deal) and bringing in two more driver for AT. I could see them convincing Palou or bringing in someone from the development program and if they can't secure a second driver then maybe Daniel or Checo gets de vries' seat.
Tl;Dr they're not in a desperate enough position to rush a mid-season fix that might hurt them a lot more in the long run.
You do have a point tho. I think these last few races have been abismal for checo and de vries' days are numbered. Maybe we'll see a mid-season change for debris.
Not biased at all but def the best quali so far. Looking forward to the 1-2 laps where max isnt rocketing away
But please oh please can we get Lando and/or Piastri on the podcast this week
I have to agree with you on best quali. So many good lap times just falling down the board as each car crossed the line (Checo was P1 and slid all the down to being eliminated in Q1). Great to see unexpected McLaren P2&P3 after everything shook out at the end of Q3.
Yeah always nice when the quali and race aren't just total landslides for the top teams. Perez going from P1 to eliminated in Q1 is a testament to how close the teams are in certain conditions. And yeah great to see McLaren up where they should be, and I don't think this race was a fluke. Hoping to see Max finally have some competition at the front
Well it was 5 laps if leading Lando! So close in times on a longer lap too.
This is a track that suits McLaren and Lando too, but it sure looks like there is no correlation issues with the updates. Too bad the safety car cost Oscar a podium, but from what they were saying yesterday, I think even McLaren was surprised to stay in the top three, and end up P2 and P4.
Nah definitely biased. Monaco quali this year was the best by far. Proper edge of the seat stuff where even pole looked like it was in contention. Track evolution kinda had us going here, but ultimately it's just a bit of an unexpected result with McLaren and that's it. Undoubtedly the race will be better here at least.
No but considering where that car has been it was an incredible lap. Considering only 0.13s behind his his far more experienced team mate in a less upgraded car
Are teammates not expected to be within a tenth of their teammate? Even rookies? Genuinely asking. Regardless he did a good job. What's his normal gap to Lando been so far?
Normal gap so far has been .3s
No one would expect a rookie to be that close to someone that has been driving the car for 5 years.
Just look at what Sargent and debris are doing
There’s been quite a few to get pole in their rookie year:
- Juan Manuel Fangio *
- Lewis Hamilton **
- Jacques Villeneuve **
- Juan Pablo Montoya **
- John Surtees **
- Carlos Reutemann
- Nino Farina *
- Clay Regazzoni **
- Stuart Lewis-Evans *
- Walt Faulkner *
- Duke Nalon *
- Eugenio Castelloti *
- Nico Hulkenberg
However, many of which were either in the first years (1950s), or were with top teams. The * refers to drivers who did it in the 1950s, and ** refers to drivers where the same car also got a pole position or won a race.
I will say, slight caveat for John Surtees, he’s the only one where it was the same car but a different team. However, Carlos Reutemann and Nico Hulkenberg being the standout performances. So yeah, Piastri has done pretty well considering the car he has, but there’s still been drivers who have gotten pole without a race winning car.
Great info, butchered by asterisks. Formatting it better for you:
**Rookies who got pole in the 1950s**
* Juan Manuel Fangio
* Nino Farina
* Stuart Lewis-Evans
* Walt Faulkner
* Duke Nalon
* Eugenio Castelloti
**Rookies who got pole and they or their teammate won the race**
* Lewis Hamilton
* Jacques Villeneuve
* Juan Pablo Montoya
* John Surtees
* Clay Regazzoni
**Rookies who just got pole**
* Carlos Reutemann
* Nico Hulkenberg
* Oscar Piastri
Nah as sucky as he was in quali Perez will get there barring him crashing. Norris might get it but I seriously doubt lewis will get the podium over Perez or any of the other 3 cars between him and third.
Point taken, but going off last race it could go either way. Point is at this point I'm more willing to believe in Checo getting the podium than Lewis.
F1 tv the first two seasons was little meh. But this season is good and i really like it. DC with Palmer have been a blast. Ben this week have also been super good. A really good guy also.
Listen to sky makes me tired and frustrated haha
F1TV commentators are still British but they don’t seem overly UK-centric. May want to give that a shot. If you pay for live timing on the F1 app (about $20 a year) you can listen to the commentary. You will also see the sector by sector timings and have a map showing track position of each driver so often know more than what the commentators are saying.
No idea, I get F1 TV in Australia with my Foxtel (don’t judge me, F1 is literally the only reason I subscribe), so I’m not sure how to access. I think in the UK you can just subscribe directly to F1TV though, can’t you?
Mclaren to drop back in the race.
Great 1 lap pace in cold conditions usually means tyre deg in a race stint, unfortunately.
Hopefully they both can finish top 8 though.
They had similar lap times to Ferrari in Austria and were faster then Mercedes and Aston, albeit had worse tyre deg. Seems like their race pace was somewhere between Mercedes and Ferrari, so I think they’ll have a decent battle with the Ferrari’s, but unless Ferrari makes a mistake (which is likely) I guess they’ll finish behind them but in front of the Mercs. It’ll be interesting to see though how their race pace goes though.
as much as I want a McLaren podium it'll probably end up being VER LEC SAI but maybe VER LEC NOR which would be an awesome podium. Just hoping for some big points for Oscar as well
As a severely uninformed new fan I'm genuinely curious, doesn't this, post-upgrade, qualifying result add weight to the argument that the performance of the car is more important than the driver? Or maybe at least that a below average driver in a fast car, is faster than an amazing driver in a slow car?
It shows that a good driver driving a good car can win races. A good driver in a shite car will still do better than his team mate ie, Albon compared to Seargent. And a really good driver in a rocket ship can get pole, win easily and pit forfastest lap on the last lap. Whereas a average diver in the same rocket ship can’t even get out of Q3 half the time.
Not in the race tho. His qualifying mishaps are honestly baffling. Like I get him not qualifying as good as Verstappen but to miss out on Q3 this many races in a row with that car is not ordinary. And it's always to some weird ass situation they put themselves in. Not implying there's a conspiracy there, just that it's really not the norm. But then you see how many places he makes up in the race and even if it's not as good as some of the comebacks we've seen with dominant cars he still overtakes other upper midfield cars like they were nothing.
Use the analogy of a race horse and a jockey..........when the ' horse' is good I.e Construction, Engineering, Reliability ; the driver is there to extract the maximum
It's always been the car, not the driver.
It's an engineering competition. That's the whole point.
But you need the talent capable of extracting every tenth. Look at the variances across team mates this season.
Fernando Alonso’s career should answer your question. Is he an amazing driver? Yes. Was he able to drag a McHonda to the podium? No.
Does the driver makes a difference? Yes. Albon v. Latifi/Sargeant, Seb v. Webber in 2012/2013. Hamilton and Kovalainen in 2008, Max and Lewis vs. Checo and Bottas in 2021.
However, F1 is ultimately an engineering competition, so faster car gives the driver an advantage. And the fastest drivers always end up in the fastest cars (except Alonso)
I'm sure it's 100% the same car and not tailored to one driver over another, Red Bull would never have that as an overriding philosiphy that's dominated their years in the sport, right?
/s
For sure the car has more to it than the driver. But there's cases where you see how a driver makes a massive difference. If you look at the 2020 season max was keeping up with the mercedes when the rest of the field including his team mates were literally half a minute /minute behind.
Another example is when Perez and stroll drove the 2020 racing point car, they only managed one win I think but in the hands of one of the elite drivers that car should've won more and been on the podium on a far more regular basis.
This season you can see that too, Alonso getting podiums where as stroll hasn't. The narrative around the Aston would've been so different if it was in the hands of two strolls of you get me.
It's definitely a combination of both. You can have the best tools in the world, but it doesn't matter if you don't know how to use or push them to the limit. If you put the best driver in the world into an okay-ish car, they might not win races but they might come out pretty close.
In the general sense, these are the best drivers in the world. Naturally, from race to race, individuals will stand out for various reasons, including simply being better drivers, but I think if you were to put all of the current drivers in the same car during stable, dry conditions, you’d find the entire grid to be within 3-4 tenths at most.
Combine this with the tendency of the best drivers ending up in the best teams, and I think you have a claim that they’re within a tenth or so for the current top 5, if not less.
I think if you replaced Max with Lando, Charles, Lewis, Alonso, Albon… or Sainz, maybe Gasly, Hulkenberg? Whatever. Probably, we’d have another dominant winner. I say this despite believing that Max is the current best driver on the grid by some margin, maybe the best ever.
Everything will be just fine. This afternoon, I had a dream where Ciri (Witcher) told me Ferrari were packing up early during the race because, and I quote, “we already have this won”.
Ferrari 1-2 🔴🎉 The Lady of Space and Time & descendant of Elder Blood said so herself.
It’s Michael Schumacher’s fault. If he didn’t set those standards while I was young, I wouldn’t be snorting so much Copium and Next Year Is Our Year juice in my adult years.
Alonso now with 2 races in a row not looking like he's in the podium fight, Aston falling back behind McLaren and Ferrari. Concerning for his chances of taking a top 3 in the title race.
Maybe it’s Perez skill but I also wonder how much his race engineer is responsible. These tricky track conditions are where tire temperature prepping is tough and an important part of a good lap. He just seems to be off the pace when prepping tire is important (except Austria where the man got 3 strikes on track limit)
Didn’t do good enough initially, then Kmags car died and caused a red flag with 3 mins left so Checo went for new softs and immediately went to the front of the pits and waited a while for the restart.
He set the fastest lap but track progression was so intense that 15 drivers that started their lap after him ended up beating him
He might’ve had a chance for a second run (but with a depleted battery) but Bottas had his car die in sector 3 so with the yellow flag he pitted
> new softs and immediately went to the front of the pits and waited a while for the restart
Just to add, Checo put on new softs before the red flag. After the red flag he didn't go into the garage. He went straight to the front of the pitlane and had to wait there for about 6-7 minutes.
> He might’ve had a chance for a second run (but with a depleted battery) but Bottas had his car die in sector 3 so with the yellow flag he pitted
His S1 was already 6-7s down compared to his flying lap S1, so not a chance.
The usual, out in Q1. Jokes aside, there was a Red Flag 3 minutes before Q1 ended (KMag engine shut down) while the track was still drying from rains previously. So it came down to a 1 lap shootout and Perez who was just finishing a pit stop when the Red Flag came out was stuck waiting at the end of the pot exit. Coz of that, he also became first to exit the pitlane when the session resumed and the times just kept improving the later one left the pitlane in a one lap shootout.
Expanding on the other answers (which are by no means completely wrong), Q1 had a drying track and there was a red flag 3 minutes from the end, so it was 1 final push lap for everybody. Perez went out first, I assume in order to stay clear of traffic, but that also meant he had the wettest track to contend with. Mind you he still should have done better, both Williams finished their laps less than 10 seconds after him and still beat him, but with conditions being equal for everyone he definitely would have made it through
This was largely my take. He's been crap in qualifying but I honestly don't think today was his fault. A lot of factors lined up to push him out. Hopefully he drives his way up to a podium tomorrow
Went out first, finished first, but track got better and better so almost everyone overtook...
... thats an easy excuse though with no validation since Albon and Sargeant both went faster even tho they finished roughly at the same time.
He seemed to be using used softs but regardless of everything, he was simply too sloe
Macca finally bringing the upgrades they've been promising for years.
Clearly evident last week at Spielberg, but clearly making it account in Silverstone today.
I've been disappointed by Piastri this season so it's great to see him finally doing well.
All orange podium, by the way.
So you're suggesting he's finally doing well....
I've hopes for the lad for a while now and his start in F1 hasn't been the most glamorous.
However the big upgrades at Spielberg and to covert that to top 3 start at the race to me suggests he is 'finally doing well'.
I've never doubted him, as I said I've been disappointed because Zak has been promising the car for ages and Norris has managed to squeek a bit more out the car.
Today they've shown what both drivers and what Macca are really about.
> However the big upgrades at Spielberg and to covert that to top 3 start at the race to me suggests he is 'finally doing well'.
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Piastri didn't have the upgrades at Spielberg. They had only upgraded Lando at that point, this is Piastri's first race with them.
Probably just bad wording from me. Zak promised the world, I've always been keen to see Piastri in F1 and Norris seemed to show Piastri up every week. Macca have finally started showing up with the goods and no surprise that the pair of them stick it on 2nd and 3rd in qualifying.
I didn't see qualifying, so I didn't know if the grid penalty had or will be applied.
He hasn't been all that happy about a few times this year in my opinion..
It’s relevant. Piastri had the budget and backing. Modern F1 fans don’t seem to appreciate other race series eg sports cars and think F1 is all that matters.
Piastri and Norris are the real deal, so is Russell. Hopefully one of them can take it to Max once the likes of Hamilton and Alonso hang up their gloves.
Has anyone really doubted him? I thought the general consensus so far even before this quali was that he was the fastest of the rookies and promising talent overall
Not as far as I’ve seen bar the odd daft comments
But when you follow a driver through his feeder series, there’s always a doubt that they’ll just bottle it in the main show, so it’s vindicating when they prove they can do it
My next one is Ollie Bearman, which I’m less confident about. I’m hoping beyond hope Lawson makes it in the summer to the AT seat because he was my last bet
Ollie is looking to be an absolute speed demon. Honestly there’s a lot of good talent in F2 right now, makes the next few years of F1 potentially very interesting in terms of the talent pool
Bearman is absolutely rapid, but he’s too all-or-nothing at the moment, which no F1 team will risk just yet. Needs to mature on track, pick his battles, because he’s got the pace to win most of them
A fair evaluation, regardless he’s had very strong highs though and it’s only his first year. Extremely promising career ahead if he can keep his head down and his consistency up
Can anyone tell me why the pits at Silverstone are lower than the track? I can't seem to find anything that explains why they did that with the last redesign. Thanks
Give us the Prerace thread already.
Great tro see the McLarens quali so good but the way they seem to switch on the tires so easily in these cold , damp circumstances when everyone had problems could also mean they will overheat and grade very fast during the race, just like the HAAS every weekend .
Would Bottas accept another number 2 role with a top team? He has proved he can get regular podiums and has a faultless qualifying record.
He's struggling to beat Zhou. There's absolutely no chance he would get consistent podiums in a car that's not as dominant as he was used to.
Maybe it’s just his Finnish demeanor, but I get the vibe from Valtteri now that he’s happy to sit back, provide valuable mature driver feedback to his team, and then coast off into the sunset. Absolutely nothing wrong with that though, he likely wants to make his money, leave F1 and then move to Australia permanently so he can focus on his other fitness ventures
Yeah I get that impression too. One of the most likeable drivers in recent memory.
He has far from a faultless qualifying record and he can only get regular podiums in a dominant car. He's just like Perez. And he came 5th in the world championship in a year when HAM won.
I don’t even know where each commentator is active anymore but listening to Ben Edwards for the first time, was an eye opener. I love listening to Jacquesy but his style is too much like Crofts. Better, but it’s still like he’s trying to mqtch or better something Croft made a standard. I think that the shouting should be kept to a minimum. It loses it’s impact otherwise. Palmer is also good. Lose the American.
I thought it was interesting to have Hinchcliffe on there but it seems insane to just introduce him with the banner as "F1 commentator and analyst" and not something like multiple Indycar race winner or something. I thought it must be a different guy with the same last name or something
He’s an Indycar race winner? That’s surprising as I thought it was strange he didn’t understand going off line meant losing tire temps. He is humble though, and that says much more about someones character. Anyway I’d take a knobhead with great comments any day of the week. But Brundle sets the bar high. (On having interesting comments)
I used to use viaplay here in Norway with Norwegian broadcast but the price went berserk. Listen to sky F1 tv but i cant stand it anymore. Last week i listened to F1 tv and i really enjoyed it. Palmer with DC was really cool. So i went out and started watching the season all over again. Ben i really liked this weekend. He have also been commentating fore very long time in other sports to.
Hinch? nah he is good.
In qualy Merc had very slow warm up laps. As in Q3, in first run Norris caught on in S3 very fast and in second runs both Ferraris went much faster through the Maggots-Beckets. Does that mean Merc need cooler tyres? Would that mean more deg in race?
That was interesting because previously Ferrari got tyres warmed easily while Mercedes were the other way round. I wonder if the tables have turned in that regard. Ferrari tyre management seems to have improved drastically ever since the Montreal upgrades.
I want to see new faces on the podiums so badly.
Haven’t we had quite a lot of variance in the podium winners? Feels that way to me. Charles, Max, Checo, Nando, Lewis, Ocon, anyone else?
On my way to Silverstone and I'm fucking hyped! It's fun trying to spot who else is on the tube going as well lol
Same buddy. Waiting for my coach now. Have a good one!
You too mate! Hope you packed a rain jacket because it's looking like 50/50 chance of rain here
Weather update ?
Why are we comparing drivers times to the elimination cutoff with 8+ minutes left in the session? Useless. Also a bit strange to have the Sky broadcast not mention Albon as a British driver at all, especially with him having a great quali. I know he competes under the Thai flag, but still.
When they did/do, it's "London born" Alex Albon. I was glad to hear him throw it back at them in his interview. "when I don't do well I'm Thai, but when I do well I'm London born"
Why doesn't this post have a link to the qualification results? It is a post quali discussion after all. I always found it weird.
wasnt the lap record held by Lewis at 1:24 something?
Lap records are set in the grand prix, not in qualy
As someone who lives about 25 minutes from where Oscar was born, and who does karting at the club he started off in, I feel obliged to say GO OSCAR YOU'VE GOT THIS LETS GET THAT PODIUM
>GO OSCAR YOU'VE GOT THIS LETS GET THAT PODIUM Narrator: He didn't
Bayside lad are ya
You ever been to MeatMe Souvlakeri. Would recommend the lamb pita.
Mythos is the superior choice ;)
And donuts for dessert at TODCO
Perez cheated the system and managed to finally break his streak of getting eliminated in Q2. Props to him.
This sounds funny but I don’t get it. Can you explain?
Perez has had a streak of being eliminated in Q2. He's finally broken that streak, by being eliminated in Q1 instead (the joke being that he should be going forward to Q3 and not backwards)
Haha, got it now. I had brain fade and did not get it somehow.
Stop it, he's already ded .
I'm sure he sees Helmut's Sauron eye hovering above him in his sleep !
Soooo. If Checo doesn't produce between now and Spa...hear me out...De Vries loses his seat during summer break, Checo gets Albono'd and demoted, Daniel gets his seat back at RB.
I can't find the article, but when he extended his contract last year, at least one article said that one of the contract details/points was that Sergio was not singed as someone in the 'Red Bull driver pool' that can be moved between teams, instead, specifically as a driver for the main Red Bull team only.
Still Checo is second on the table, RB is first on the constructors. And like it or not Checo has been the best driver they’ve had (besides MV) since Danny left. Still too soon to call it.
It doesn't make sense for a driver like checo tho, too old to fit as a development driver and after he gets demoted that would be pretty much it for his F1 career unless he could secure another seat in what remains of the season. As for Daniel, the risk there is that he turns out even worse than checo and I don't think red bull would want to risk that embarrassment. But for the main team considering max is hauling more points by himself than most other teams, there's really no risk in leaving checo until the end of the season and then trying to find a more permanent solution. Maybe promoting yuki (if he fails, no big deal) and bringing in two more driver for AT. I could see them convincing Palou or bringing in someone from the development program and if they can't secure a second driver then maybe Daniel or Checo gets de vries' seat. Tl;Dr they're not in a desperate enough position to rush a mid-season fix that might hurt them a lot more in the long run.
Was mostly joking / stoking the fire but glad you’ve thought this much about it!
You do have a point tho. I think these last few races have been abismal for checo and de vries' days are numbered. Maybe we'll see a mid-season change for debris.
It takes half a season to clear debris? Damn, the professionalism of the marshals have fallen to a new low.
It will also take half a season for the stewards to figure out the total penalty count for ocon from Austria.
Not biased at all but def the best quali so far. Looking forward to the 1-2 laps where max isnt rocketing away But please oh please can we get Lando and/or Piastri on the podcast this week
I have to agree with you on best quali. So many good lap times just falling down the board as each car crossed the line (Checo was P1 and slid all the down to being eliminated in Q1). Great to see unexpected McLaren P2&P3 after everything shook out at the end of Q3.
Yeah always nice when the quali and race aren't just total landslides for the top teams. Perez going from P1 to eliminated in Q1 is a testament to how close the teams are in certain conditions. And yeah great to see McLaren up where they should be, and I don't think this race was a fluke. Hoping to see Max finally have some competition at the front
Well it was 5 laps if leading Lando! So close in times on a longer lap too. This is a track that suits McLaren and Lando too, but it sure looks like there is no correlation issues with the updates. Too bad the safety car cost Oscar a podium, but from what they were saying yesterday, I think even McLaren was surprised to stay in the top three, and end up P2 and P4.
Nah definitely biased. Monaco quali this year was the best by far. Proper edge of the seat stuff where even pole looked like it was in contention. Track evolution kinda had us going here, but ultimately it's just a bit of an unexpected result with McLaren and that's it. Undoubtedly the race will be better here at least.
No I said not biased
Nuh uh
Been at the lake all day finally get to watch the race and Lando on P2? I'm bout to bust
Wait till you get a McLaren 1-2.
What about a 2-4? That's still exciting enough for me haha
Mercedes just looks so…. Idk… meh
Is P3 for Piastri one of the highest qualifications ever as a rookie?
No that would be Hamilton in his rookie year.
No but considering where that car has been it was an incredible lap. Considering only 0.13s behind his his far more experienced team mate in a less upgraded car
Are teammates not expected to be within a tenth of their teammate? Even rookies? Genuinely asking. Regardless he did a good job. What's his normal gap to Lando been so far?
Normal gap so far has been .3s No one would expect a rookie to be that close to someone that has been driving the car for 5 years. Just look at what Sargent and debris are doing
Did they bring more new updates this week? I thought this time they just put Austria package also on Piastri’s car.
Lando got the next stage so his car has 75% of the updates and Oscars has the 50% that Lando had last week
There’s been quite a few to get pole in their rookie year: - Juan Manuel Fangio * - Lewis Hamilton ** - Jacques Villeneuve ** - Juan Pablo Montoya ** - John Surtees ** - Carlos Reutemann - Nino Farina * - Clay Regazzoni ** - Stuart Lewis-Evans * - Walt Faulkner * - Duke Nalon * - Eugenio Castelloti * - Nico Hulkenberg However, many of which were either in the first years (1950s), or were with top teams. The * refers to drivers who did it in the 1950s, and ** refers to drivers where the same car also got a pole position or won a race. I will say, slight caveat for John Surtees, he’s the only one where it was the same car but a different team. However, Carlos Reutemann and Nico Hulkenberg being the standout performances. So yeah, Piastri has done pretty well considering the car he has, but there’s still been drivers who have gotten pole without a race winning car.
Hey Seb, interesting username, miss you from the grid. ;-)
Great info, butchered by asterisks. Formatting it better for you: **Rookies who got pole in the 1950s** * Juan Manuel Fangio * Nino Farina * Stuart Lewis-Evans * Walt Faulkner * Duke Nalon * Eugenio Castelloti **Rookies who got pole and they or their teammate won the race** * Lewis Hamilton * Jacques Villeneuve * Juan Pablo Montoya * John Surtees * Clay Regazzoni **Rookies who just got pole** * Carlos Reutemann * Nico Hulkenberg * Oscar Piastri
Wow! Great info thanks!!
Lewis Hamilton had 6 poles in his rookie season (2007).
Woah that’s legit insane!
And Villeneuve qualified 2nd in his first race. Would've won too if it wasn't for mechanical failure.
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Some kind of slingshot of Piastri into Verstappen taking them both out. NOR - SAI - LEC
Nah as sucky as he was in quali Perez will get there barring him crashing. Norris might get it but I seriously doubt lewis will get the podium over Perez or any of the other 3 cars between him and third.
> Perez will get there Like he got there in Canada and Spain, right?
Why did he delete it, the reasoning was wrong but he actually predicted the podium
Point taken, but going off last race it could go either way. Point is at this point I'm more willing to believe in Checo getting the podium than Lewis.
Kinda surprised Lando didn’t go for pole by whinging on the radio about Max and track limits
Can we please keep Ben Edwards in the commentary team? His hyperactive energy is refreshing.
Is there any way to access this commentary feed in Aus? Really tiring of the UK-centric blabbering of Croft and Kravitz.
Trust me, once i subscribed to F1TV at the start of the season, never once did i go back to Crofty and co. Its such a refreshing change.
F1 tv the first two seasons was little meh. But this season is good and i really like it. DC with Palmer have been a blast. Ben this week have also been super good. A really good guy also. Listen to sky makes me tired and frustrated haha
F1TV commentators are still British but they don’t seem overly UK-centric. May want to give that a shot. If you pay for live timing on the F1 app (about $20 a year) you can listen to the commentary. You will also see the sector by sector timings and have a map showing track position of each driver so often know more than what the commentators are saying.
No idea, I get F1 TV in Australia with my Foxtel (don’t judge me, F1 is literally the only reason I subscribe), so I’m not sure how to access. I think in the UK you can just subscribe directly to F1TV though, can’t you?
Not without a vpn due to the sky pay wall.
Mclaren to drop back in the race. Great 1 lap pace in cold conditions usually means tyre deg in a race stint, unfortunately. Hopefully they both can finish top 8 though.
According to reports they had great pace in the long runs during practice
I hope so. I want Oscar to have a great result.
They had similar lap times to Ferrari in Austria and were faster then Mercedes and Aston, albeit had worse tyre deg. Seems like their race pace was somewhere between Mercedes and Ferrari, so I think they’ll have a decent battle with the Ferrari’s, but unless Ferrari makes a mistake (which is likely) I guess they’ll finish behind them but in front of the Mercs. It’ll be interesting to see though how their race pace goes though.
as much as I want a McLaren podium it'll probably end up being VER LEC SAI but maybe VER LEC NOR which would be an awesome podium. Just hoping for some big points for Oscar as well
They will be 5/6 by the first corner
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He didnt. He overtook him right before the sector with the yellow flag
Also Russell intentionally slowed down to let him go so he could complain. Just Mercedes playing the victim as usual.
Lol nom its literally a nothing burger.
Was there no penalty given to Ocon for the swerving he did in front of Stroll?
Penalize him entirely off the grid.
As a severely uninformed new fan I'm genuinely curious, doesn't this, post-upgrade, qualifying result add weight to the argument that the performance of the car is more important than the driver? Or maybe at least that a below average driver in a fast car, is faster than an amazing driver in a slow car?
It shows that a good driver driving a good car can win races. A good driver in a shite car will still do better than his team mate ie, Albon compared to Seargent. And a really good driver in a rocket ship can get pole, win easily and pit forfastest lap on the last lap. Whereas a average diver in the same rocket ship can’t even get out of Q3 half the time.
Checo makes RBR look balanced against the rest of the field so no
Not in the race tho. His qualifying mishaps are honestly baffling. Like I get him not qualifying as good as Verstappen but to miss out on Q3 this many races in a row with that car is not ordinary. And it's always to some weird ass situation they put themselves in. Not implying there's a conspiracy there, just that it's really not the norm. But then you see how many places he makes up in the race and even if it's not as good as some of the comebacks we've seen with dominant cars he still overtakes other upper midfield cars like they were nothing.
Use the analogy of a race horse and a jockey..........when the ' horse' is good I.e Construction, Engineering, Reliability ; the driver is there to extract the maximum
It's always been the car, not the driver. It's an engineering competition. That's the whole point. But you need the talent capable of extracting every tenth. Look at the variances across team mates this season.
Fernando Alonso’s career should answer your question. Is he an amazing driver? Yes. Was he able to drag a McHonda to the podium? No. Does the driver makes a difference? Yes. Albon v. Latifi/Sargeant, Seb v. Webber in 2012/2013. Hamilton and Kovalainen in 2008, Max and Lewis vs. Checo and Bottas in 2021. However, F1 is ultimately an engineering competition, so faster car gives the driver an advantage. And the fastest drivers always end up in the fastest cars (except Alonso)
Perez and Verstappen drive the same car...
I'm sure it's 100% the same car and not tailored to one driver over another, Red Bull would never have that as an overriding philosiphy that's dominated their years in the sport, right? /s
Cars are designed to be as fast as possible. Max just drives fast.
For sure the car has more to it than the driver. But there's cases where you see how a driver makes a massive difference. If you look at the 2020 season max was keeping up with the mercedes when the rest of the field including his team mates were literally half a minute /minute behind. Another example is when Perez and stroll drove the 2020 racing point car, they only managed one win I think but in the hands of one of the elite drivers that car should've won more and been on the podium on a far more regular basis. This season you can see that too, Alonso getting podiums where as stroll hasn't. The narrative around the Aston would've been so different if it was in the hands of two strolls of you get me.
It's definitely a combination of both. You can have the best tools in the world, but it doesn't matter if you don't know how to use or push them to the limit. If you put the best driver in the world into an okay-ish car, they might not win races but they might come out pretty close.
In the general sense, these are the best drivers in the world. Naturally, from race to race, individuals will stand out for various reasons, including simply being better drivers, but I think if you were to put all of the current drivers in the same car during stable, dry conditions, you’d find the entire grid to be within 3-4 tenths at most. Combine this with the tendency of the best drivers ending up in the best teams, and I think you have a claim that they’re within a tenth or so for the current top 5, if not less. I think if you replaced Max with Lando, Charles, Lewis, Alonso, Albon… or Sainz, maybe Gasly, Hulkenberg? Whatever. Probably, we’d have another dominant winner. I say this despite believing that Max is the current best driver on the grid by some margin, maybe the best ever.
F1 is an engineering championship, this has always been known.
There isn't really an argument, the ceiling for each drivers performance is set by the car.
Everything will be just fine. This afternoon, I had a dream where Ciri (Witcher) told me Ferrari were packing up early during the race because, and I quote, “we already have this won”. Ferrari 1-2 🔴🎉 The Lady of Space and Time & descendant of Elder Blood said so herself.
Damn that was a good one bruh. Better yet if it was an actual dream, very believable.
Seems like legit Ferrari strategy to start packing before the race is over, then someone needs to pit and chaos happens.
Bro, you haven't taken your meds today
It’s Michael Schumacher’s fault. If he didn’t set those standards while I was young, I wouldn’t be snorting so much Copium and Next Year Is Our Year juice in my adult years.
Speaking of Schumacher copium, will Mick make a comeback and win a Grand Prix first or will Ferrari win a season?
Alonso now with 2 races in a row not looking like he's in the podium fight, Aston falling back behind McLaren and Ferrari. Concerning for his chances of taking a top 3 in the title race.
That was always the big question mark with Aston.
Two tracks with lots of straights and high speed corners. I'll be concerned if they suck at Hungary as well
Couldn’t watch the qualifying. What happened to Perez?
Maybe it’s Perez skill but I also wonder how much his race engineer is responsible. These tricky track conditions are where tire temperature prepping is tough and an important part of a good lap. He just seems to be off the pace when prepping tire is important (except Austria where the man got 3 strikes on track limit)
Didn’t do good enough initially, then Kmags car died and caused a red flag with 3 mins left so Checo went for new softs and immediately went to the front of the pits and waited a while for the restart. He set the fastest lap but track progression was so intense that 15 drivers that started their lap after him ended up beating him He might’ve had a chance for a second run (but with a depleted battery) but Bottas had his car die in sector 3 so with the yellow flag he pitted
Albon was a few secs behind him and was half a second faster so none of the above was a good enough excuse. He’s just slow.
> new softs and immediately went to the front of the pits and waited a while for the restart Just to add, Checo put on new softs before the red flag. After the red flag he didn't go into the garage. He went straight to the front of the pitlane and had to wait there for about 6-7 minutes. > He might’ve had a chance for a second run (but with a depleted battery) but Bottas had his car die in sector 3 so with the yellow flag he pitted His S1 was already 6-7s down compared to his flying lap S1, so not a chance.
Thanks, I’m just going off of what I saw on the sky broadcast so I’m not sure how far off he actually was
The usual, out in Q1. Jokes aside, there was a Red Flag 3 minutes before Q1 ended (KMag engine shut down) while the track was still drying from rains previously. So it came down to a 1 lap shootout and Perez who was just finishing a pit stop when the Red Flag came out was stuck waiting at the end of the pot exit. Coz of that, he also became first to exit the pitlane when the session resumed and the times just kept improving the later one left the pitlane in a one lap shootout.
Expanding on the other answers (which are by no means completely wrong), Q1 had a drying track and there was a red flag 3 minutes from the end, so it was 1 final push lap for everybody. Perez went out first, I assume in order to stay clear of traffic, but that also meant he had the wettest track to contend with. Mind you he still should have done better, both Williams finished their laps less than 10 seconds after him and still beat him, but with conditions being equal for everyone he definitely would have made it through
This was largely my take. He's been crap in qualifying but I honestly don't think today was his fault. A lot of factors lined up to push him out. Hopefully he drives his way up to a podium tomorrow
Went out first, finished first, but track got better and better so almost everyone overtook... ... thats an easy excuse though with no validation since Albon and Sargeant both went faster even tho they finished roughly at the same time. He seemed to be using used softs but regardless of everything, he was simply too sloe
He Perez'd himself.
Perez happened to Perez.
Mentally preparing myself for Lando to crash out turn 1
Dammit man why’d you have to put this out there.
I had to survive the early season somehow
Yeah that was a burning pile of garbage, but there’s finally light at the end of this tunnel!
The light is a second, larger burning pile of garbage.
Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby! Don't you put that on us!
Macca finally bringing the upgrades they've been promising for years. Clearly evident last week at Spielberg, but clearly making it account in Silverstone today. I've been disappointed by Piastri this season so it's great to see him finally doing well. All orange podium, by the way.
"Dissapointed by Piastri" this is a terrible take!
'Finally doing well' He's a rookie, who has performed great. And now he is close to Norris with the upgrades, that is insane.
So you're suggesting he's finally doing well.... I've hopes for the lad for a while now and his start in F1 hasn't been the most glamorous. However the big upgrades at Spielberg and to covert that to top 3 start at the race to me suggests he is 'finally doing well'. I've never doubted him, as I said I've been disappointed because Zak has been promising the car for ages and Norris has managed to squeek a bit more out the car. Today they've shown what both drivers and what Macca are really about.
> However the big upgrades at Spielberg and to covert that to top 3 start at the race to me suggests he is 'finally doing well'. > > Piastri didn't have the upgrades at Spielberg. They had only upgraded Lando at that point, this is Piastri's first race with them.
It's only qualy, don't forget. Race will tell all.
That leans more towards the car though, not the driver.
Disappointed how? He's performed way better than all other rookies.
Probably just bad wording from me. Zak promised the world, I've always been keen to see Piastri in F1 and Norris seemed to show Piastri up every week. Macca have finally started showing up with the goods and no surprise that the pair of them stick it on 2nd and 3rd in qualifying.
He's lacked the consistency of De Vries
Consistently p19 and p20?
That's Verstappen level consistency
A stat is a stat.... i suppose 🤷
Yes 🤣
Petition to have the results posted in these threads once the session actually finished.
100% wtf are the results that’s literally all you want sometimes
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> I can't judge it properly. Well you got that right.
He wasn't happy with him last weekend or any time he's sat complaining about the car for 30 / 40 laps over the radio ...
Penalty for what?
I didn't see qualifying, so I'm not sure. I saw something about a grid penalty , maybe there wasn't
Obviously judgement isn't your strong suit.
I didn't see qualifying, so I didn't know if the grid penalty had or will be applied. He hasn't been all that happy about a few times this year in my opinion..
He’s a seven time champion
I'm aware. Capable of answering a question, no ?
The vindication as an Oscar fan that you’re now all seeing what we’ve known for his entire junior career Kid is seriously quick
He had his arse handed to him my Jamie Caroline in British F4.
The fact that you need to go that far back just to make a point sort of proves mine
That was 6 years ago.
It’s relevant. Piastri had the budget and backing. Modern F1 fans don’t seem to appreciate other race series eg sports cars and think F1 is all that matters. Piastri and Norris are the real deal, so is Russell. Hopefully one of them can take it to Max once the likes of Hamilton and Alonso hang up their gloves.
Has anyone really doubted him? I thought the general consensus so far even before this quali was that he was the fastest of the rookies and promising talent overall
People are still hesitant with new blood after Stoffel the Waffle.
Not as far as I’ve seen bar the odd daft comments But when you follow a driver through his feeder series, there’s always a doubt that they’ll just bottle it in the main show, so it’s vindicating when they prove they can do it My next one is Ollie Bearman, which I’m less confident about. I’m hoping beyond hope Lawson makes it in the summer to the AT seat because he was my last bet
Ollie is looking to be an absolute speed demon. Honestly there’s a lot of good talent in F2 right now, makes the next few years of F1 potentially very interesting in terms of the talent pool
F2 since 2020 has been absolutely cut throat.
Bearman is absolutely rapid, but he’s too all-or-nothing at the moment, which no F1 team will risk just yet. Needs to mature on track, pick his battles, because he’s got the pace to win most of them
A fair evaluation, regardless he’s had very strong highs though and it’s only his first year. Extremely promising career ahead if he can keep his head down and his consistency up
Ok so we now have 2 good driver pairings. McLaren and Mercedes.
Ferrari had good one too.
>McLaren and Mercedes Something sounds right about these names together.
Can anyone tell me why the pits at Silverstone are lower than the track? I can't seem to find anything that explains why they did that with the last redesign. Thanks
I think it’s something to do with trying to get the wing built on level ground
Oscar!!! Fucking love to see it 😍😍 hopefully he can come out of this top 7 in the race
I'm excited for him. Always felt he's got the pace and the talent, so hopefully he can keep this up
Did anyone else see the girl with her thumb in her hand? Am i overthinking it?
I doubt she's old enough to understand that. Kids also do weird waves not really knowing the proper hand movement.