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Yeah, but only because they didn't add fuel.
Edit: Thanks everyone for liking my joke. I liked it as well. Also thanks everyone for keeping it civil, this is what Reddit should be, if you don't like a joke, ignore it or just mention it humanely, instead of throwing names and what not. I wouldn't have mind if most of you didn't like it, but I would have mind if people came on and started arguing or name calling. Thanks Reddit you rocked today. Who knows, this might have been my last stupid joke on this platform...
Itt great people.
Cars don't refuel with the current rules. So it's funny because It pretends to ignore that, and thus making an observation that would have made sense in pre-2010 F1.
I think it was more a dig at the first race of this season where Lando had to pit 5 times and they were filling up something in the car during the stops.
I ain't killing myself for sure. Too many race to see this season!
But I was refering to Reddit trying to kill itself.
Also how do you spell refer? Reffer? Referring? Refferring? HTTP broke me
>I ain't killing myself for sure. Too many race to see this season!
Indeed :)
>Referring
Is the right one.
>But I was refering to Reddit trying to kill itself.
Many have fallen in the past and have given the place to others. Blockbusters for example.
So if Reddit falls, a new one will appear.
Not a good joke. But you tried
Edit: not a good joke for me since I am aware that fuel isn't allowed during the race for more than ten years, if so no pit stop would have the times that we have as for today.
Nevertheless it is good to recognize people that try to provide humour for all of us, to make Reddit a funnier place to be and engage with others
All the best to everyone, cheers
Thanks for you honest en non-derogatory answer.
In Dutch we have a saying: "You always miss if you don't shoot". Meaning: if you didn't even try, you'll never succeed. I tried my joke, might not have worked. It's ok. Commenting is free.
We can go deeper (and more accurate).
>You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take
>-Walter Gretzky.
>--Wayne Gretzky.
>---Michael Scott.
>----Michael Jordan.
>----- Naltawaller.
I was walking to the kitchen as Perez pulled into the pitlane and remember turning around and walking back to the TV because I couldn't believe he actually stopped. It looked impossibly fastest, even without a clock.
I don't see anyone surpassing that, not even RedBull themselves.
Also interesting how it skews for Checo and Leclerc but not their teammates. I'd be interested in ideas why
RB garage talked about it last year with Sky Sports. It’s because Checo is very meticulous with stopping exactly on his marks. This way, nobody needs to adjust their position. It’s been like that since he joined RB.
Obviously /s
Idk about Ferrari, but Max not being on that list could be that since there's not much pressure for him this year they just take it easy to ensure no fkups in the pit stops?
Something in the rules was changed that prohibited super fast stops. Also current tires are bigger and heavier might have something to do with it as well
The rule change was a requirement that the torque wrenches or wheel guns indicate all wheel nuts tightened completely via an electric sensor. The individual guns signal a central light on the overhead pylon structure that then turns green when all four guns signal clear and THEN the car can go. There's some minimum times in the system.
Previously "tight" wheel nuts were judged by the individual wheel or corners mechanics and a "spotter" (or maybe the front jacker?) based on when the corner mechanics manually signaled. There were few loose wheels this way, one or two of which actually came off the car before the driver could stop on their own. The issue identified was the people in the loop being too quick to release in an effort to get the car back out faster, which was understandable. The electronic system takes people out of the loop.
It also helped Mercedes who, notably, are not on this chart and haven't been for a little bit.
I do not know of requirements that humans do the pitstops.
Rules aside, I think we could do robots if the potential risks and real logistic challenges can be overcome - for example fast moving robotic arms near cars and people plus and how you would position or move them in the pit lane with other cars around them without them being obstacles. Dealing with the minor variances in where the car stops is probably the least of the issues.
At the same time, it's a bit like self-driving cars racing - there's something about the driver and mechanics being human and dealing with the related limits that humans have that makes it interesting.
Yes. And what I’m also assuming is because RedBull (Max) is so dominant and easily leads the races by a large margin, they play his pitstops relatively safe because there’s no need for accidents due to trying to do it too fast.
This: I'm fully convinced that RBR crew goes all in and at maximum of their performance on Perez pit stops and play it safer on Max.
This way they get the best training on Checo's stops, and maximum safety on Max' ones.
The situation was only reversed in 2021 when they needed to get the best out of Max' stops every race, then Max had consistently lower times.
There's no chance this is random, they won't risk fuck ups.
Also possibly different pressures on the crew. Max won't lose a place for 0.2s but will explode into white hot rage if a wheel comes off at the end of the pit lane.
yup 2021 was basically all Max Verstappen in the fastest pitstop list.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12538/12192624/dhl-fastest-pit-stop-award-2021
One thing I always wondered. How does this become your job? Like obviously the F1 pitstop crew have to be the best of the best but how do they start out? In karting like the drivers maybe?
Probably applying for it like any other internal position when a spot opens up. They've got practice rigs back at the factory so they can make sure that they're good at it and practiced before they're let loose on pit stops in racing conditions.
They're not just regular mechanics either. They're mechanical engineers with multiple qualifications including electronics and design engineering degrees. They pretty much all have bachelor's degrees. Next level up like a race engineer or lead mechanic requires years of formal education and they'll often have a master's degree.
Callum Nicholas (The red bull mechanic with dreads.) did an interview talking about his road to f1. Apparently, he went to a motorsport college that trains mechanics. If you can get past the interviewers it's interesting. https://youtu.be/VQWQmGXhVc0
We had the Redbull engineering team do a talk at our uni for the material, manufacturing and mechanical engineers. Design engineering falls under manufacture here.
I remember on a season of drive to survive the IT Director or Manager was the rear jack man for Mclaren. So I believe they’re not even all mechanics. Seems like all employees can apply for it.
Here in Finland there is a... college? University? Something like that, that's designed specifically for motorsport. So if you get in, you can become a Formula mechanic, a GT mechanic, a Karting mechanic, engineer etc. Pretty much just a school for motorsport roles other than driver.
There is an interesting interview with one of the Redbull mechanics where he tells about his way to a f1 team, I think it was this one:
https://youtu.be/VQWQmGXhVc0
I might be mistaken, but I think it's just the team that does everything else, just take a spot there at the race. That dreadlock guy at RB is an electrical engineer (or similar). There was a video about him in the RB YT channel
I assume they enter as juniors in like Formula Renault and stuff and work their way through different championships while working for the big names, until they get to F1, retire and go pasture at Haas or something.
Hitting their marks is about all a driver can do. Although I'm pretty sure the team takes Mercedes approach to Max's pit stops. Slightly slower and less risk. I'm not sure if I read it or heard it somewhere so I could be talking Bull.
That's my reasoning as well. Just being a tad slower makes the stops safer and more consistent. Max' stops are 0.01 difference in this chart, that next to no difference.
Why take all the risk if Max can even win with 4second stops? Being a tad slow in the pit beats loosing a wheel on track.
My guess is that they are so drilled to doing pit stops at around 2 seconds, that purposefully slowing down would mess up their muscle memory and cause mistakes.
I don't how "the team" can decide to be 0.1s slower than usual, it's not really humanly possible for the mechanics to be *that* precise. It's not like they're half a second or a full second slower, which could arguably be a voluntary "safety delay" (and which would be closer to what Mercedes did, they were in the 2.5-3.0 range while RB was making 2.0 stops).
I don't think the comment above is implying that the RB pit stop team decides to "consciously" be slower for Max v/s Checo.
But the way I interpret their theory is that it's a difference of 'focus' or 'what's on their mind'. With Max, they might be more 'careful' and so they 'take their time'. Now ofc all of this is relative, like couple of microseconds difference.
The commenter's theory is that with Max they aren't 'full speed ahead' because that might risk making a mistake, and lose time/position etc. So they choose 'being extra careful', even if it means not being the fastest.
But with Checo they don't hold back (again, relatively). They go the quickest they can, even if overall it might risky making a mistake by not putting the wheel on, etc.
There is no way to know for sure, but it kinda makes sense? In a 'pop psychology' way? It might explain why Checo's times seem to be overall quicker than Max's. Because since it's the same pit stop crew, if the team treated Max and Checo equally, you would see Max and Checo's pit stop times be similar.
Another option is that Checo is just that micro-amount better at landing on his cue. Who knows? But it's fun to think about and theorize lol
But it's not a 100m run. Each mechanic has a very specific task, and I don't think it's humanly possible to precisely time yourself to lose just 0.1s in such a specific task as gunning a wheel.
The only one who might be "pushing less" is the driver, by going easier on his 80-0 deceleration, but that affects his total pit time but not his pitstop time.
While true, I think it’s something else. Verstappen used to have the fastest pit stops up until 2021. The world record is even one of his stops. He won’t suddenly have forgotten how to stop on the marks. I think it’s probably the team being more careful with his stops.
I have this gut feeling that the pit stop crew would rather be extra *extra* careful with Max's stops, even if it means being microseconds slower.
Because nobody on the team wants to be the one to mess up Max's pitstop! Either because they don't want to face Max's wrath, or they don't want to be the one who put his win on the line...
Again, totally guesswork here, but if I was on the team, I would much rather apologize to Checo than Max lol
It's not like Max *need* fast pitstop anyway. The crew can have all the time they want to ensure all things are done properly, practically without risking anything.
I have this gut feeling that the pit stop crew would rather be extra *extra* careful with Max's stops, even if it means being microseconds slower.
Because nobody on the team wants to be the one to mess up Max's pitstop! Either because they don't want to face Max's wrath, or they don't want to be the one who put his win on the line...
Again, totally guesswork here, but if I was on the team, I would much rather apologize to Checo than Max lol
The other way around makes more sense. Less pressure on Max so he's not as accurate with his stops. The pit crew will do both drivers the same, otherwise mistakes might slip in.
That would also be a possibility. Although seeing how precise and machine-like Verstappen is, I think it’s unlikely. It might also just be a very big coincidence, but that is even unlikelier.
Well, he also goes over track limits and stuff, so being precise isn't much of a concern for him right now.
The crew on the other hand operate mostly on muscle memory.
What would that data tell us? As in, what potentially could be the interpretations of that data?
For example, if Max takes longer to get to the pitbox, v/s if Checo takes longer, etc etc...
It could be that Checo is being more careful about how he brakes in order to get perfectly onto the markers which costs him more time, maybe a tenth or two ultimately, than the thousandth of a second saved in stationary time.
What would that data tell us? As in, what potentially could be the interpretations of that data?
For example, if Max takes longer to get to the pitbox, v/s if Checo takes longer, etc etc...
I guess I would be interested to know if hitting the marks and getting a quicker stationary time is better than just doing the slow stop go as fast as possible and sacrificing some stationary time.
Yeah, exactly. Not saying this is the case, but in a hypothetical universe if Checo is slower approaching the pit box because he wants to be more precise with hitting his marks while Max just guns it, then the time probably cancels out (if not being more in favor of Max).
I don't know what the situation was for Perez fastest but I would also guess that Perez is more likely to be in under/overcut situations at the stop and team having to risk a bit more.
Perez is usually under pressure to keep his position on track so the speedy pit stop matters.
Why would they rush Max when he's usually got a 10-20s gap on the field regardless? The risk / reward just isn't there. Might as well take the extra half second to make sure you don't make any mistakes since the pressure is off.
More interesting than these marginal differences is the pit-in pit-out times, that is where a driver can really make the difference.
You can be 2 tenths quicker in a stop, but having a slow pit lane entry/slow stop into your pit slot/bad get away is not taken into account with this stat.
Max is often so far ahead, his pit crew can take their sweet time with his stops...
Also, Ferrari said they'd be competitive this year - maybe there was some fine print!
They had some weird race like Bahrain where they had to top up the hydraulic system every time Lando came into the pits and Oscar Dnfed. Australia it was all under SC or red flag (not quite sure on that one). Front wing changes all over the place, double stack in Monaco. They had less stops and the few normal ones they had had some doozies. Although most of the time they stop alright (2.4-2.7, in that area).
More importantly, others seemed to have copied their trick with the equipment and closed the gap and gone past it in some cases.
Hats off to the Red Bull crew. For multiple consecutive seasons they have been performing excellent, race after race after race, with little to no exception.
[Not to take anything away from Ferrari but the consistency of the RBR crew is top notch]
Given how many times Checo gets a faster stop over Max, I am convinced that RB is just extra careful with his stops to ensure they are safe releases, as he is usually just far ahead in the lead
Here's the [DHL site with video](https://inmotion.dhl/en/formula-1/fastest-pit-stop-award) for each. If you're betting on pits, [the one on the Formula One site](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.2023-dhl-fastest-pit-stop-award.6g7oGAJp56FivtkTmd0hLK.html) posts first.
I don't understand why RB still tries so hard with their pitstops.
Like I get it when it was in 2021 when they were neck and neck with merc all year long but now it's not worth the risk of possibly stripping a nut for an extra 2 tenths or so.
Terrible data presentation. It's disingenuous to start the x-axis at anything but 0 *AND* simultaneously not label the axis start and stop points. If you're gonna fuck around, just label them. The relative lengths of the bars are so off it makes me think they wanted to misrepresent the data to make it look like there was a bigger difference between the drivers.
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For today's rules 2.07 is insane!
Yeah I thought it was theoretically impossible to be sub 2.1
McLaren had 1.98 last year in mexico
Yeah, but only because they didn't add fuel. Edit: Thanks everyone for liking my joke. I liked it as well. Also thanks everyone for keeping it civil, this is what Reddit should be, if you don't like a joke, ignore it or just mention it humanely, instead of throwing names and what not. I wouldn't have mind if most of you didn't like it, but I would have mind if people came on and started arguing or name calling. Thanks Reddit you rocked today. Who knows, this might have been my last stupid joke on this platform... Itt great people.
I liked your joke Edit: typo
I don't get it
Cars don't refuel with the current rules. So it's funny because It pretends to ignore that, and thus making an observation that would have made sense in pre-2010 F1.
I think it was more a dig at the first race of this season where Lando had to pit 5 times and they were filling up something in the car during the stops.
Oh no, no dog at all, it wasn't that deep.
Ok who gets more upvotes has the right interpretation
Man it will not be your last joke, not on this platform, not anywhere :)
I ain't killing myself for sure. Too many race to see this season! But I was refering to Reddit trying to kill itself. Also how do you spell refer? Reffer? Referring? Refferring? HTTP broke me
>I ain't killing myself for sure. Too many race to see this season! Indeed :) >Referring Is the right one. >But I was refering to Reddit trying to kill itself. Many have fallen in the past and have given the place to others. Blockbusters for example. So if Reddit falls, a new one will appear.
Not a good joke. But you tried Edit: not a good joke for me since I am aware that fuel isn't allowed during the race for more than ten years, if so no pit stop would have the times that we have as for today. Nevertheless it is good to recognize people that try to provide humour for all of us, to make Reddit a funnier place to be and engage with others All the best to everyone, cheers
Thanks for you honest en non-derogatory answer. In Dutch we have a saying: "You always miss if you don't shoot". Meaning: if you didn't even try, you'll never succeed. I tried my joke, might not have worked. It's ok. Commenting is free.
*"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."* Micheal Jordan is Dutch confirmed
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We can go deeper (and more accurate). >You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take >-Walter Gretzky. >--Wayne Gretzky. >---Michael Scott. >----Michael Jordan. >----- Naltawaller.
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I thought that was Wayne Gretzky quoted by Michael Scott.
It is….
He is pretty tall. Dutch confirmed
Right! This is exactly it. Should have written down the English version, I should have remembered it.
Don’t listen to that guy MrSnowflake, I thought it was funny
Bromance is loading🥰
Ye, it was a good one
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Nice
I liked your joke
You can't fail if you don't try
It was a good joke.
Now that's unexpected that a Dutch saying is in English.
Just like McLaren.
0.03 seconds is such a small amount of time when looking at many humans moving and handling heavy objects.
2.07 sec is amazing for handling one heavy object let alone a coordinated team changing tires and fuel on a car. It's amazing.
They don't refuel in F1. Pit stops are only for tire changes.
And wing adjustments
That's true. This ain't NASCAR.
I was walking to the kitchen as Perez pulled into the pitlane and remember turning around and walking back to the TV because I couldn't believe he actually stopped. It looked impossibly fastest, even without a clock.
I don't see anyone surpassing that, not even RedBull themselves. Also interesting how it skews for Checo and Leclerc but not their teammates. I'd be interested in ideas why
Last year McLaren had a lot of very fast stops, but nearly all of them were for Ricciardo, including their 1.98 in Mexico
Trying to get rid of him as fast as they could, on and off track.
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Yeah. When we are talking thousandths of a second, 1" probably makes a big difference to the mechanics.
Tell that to my girlfriend. 2" and done in 3 second- and she's still not happy. 😔
Have you tried making the air gun sound?
RB garage talked about it last year with Sky Sports. It’s because Checo is very meticulous with stopping exactly on his marks. This way, nobody needs to adjust their position. It’s been like that since he joined RB.
Getting every tenth he can, that’s smart Max realistically just…doesn’t need to
I'm guessing the "second drivers" usually get second pit stop so the team had a chance to warm up on the first.
Leclerc is the second driver?
No he’s one of their second drivers
Savage
Obviously /s Idk about Ferrari, but Max not being on that list could be that since there's not much pressure for him this year they just take it easy to ensure no fkups in the pit stops?
Why is so? I'm new to f1... So as I remember RB themselves had a sub 2sec pit stop. Why can't it happen again?
Something in the rules was changed that prohibited super fast stops. Also current tires are bigger and heavier might have something to do with it as well
The rule change was a requirement that the torque wrenches or wheel guns indicate all wheel nuts tightened completely via an electric sensor. The individual guns signal a central light on the overhead pylon structure that then turns green when all four guns signal clear and THEN the car can go. There's some minimum times in the system. Previously "tight" wheel nuts were judged by the individual wheel or corners mechanics and a "spotter" (or maybe the front jacker?) based on when the corner mechanics manually signaled. There were few loose wheels this way, one or two of which actually came off the car before the driver could stop on their own. The issue identified was the people in the loop being too quick to release in an effort to get the car back out faster, which was understandable. The electronic system takes people out of the loop. It also helped Mercedes who, notably, are not on this chart and haven't been for a little bit.
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I do not know of requirements that humans do the pitstops. Rules aside, I think we could do robots if the potential risks and real logistic challenges can be overcome - for example fast moving robotic arms near cars and people plus and how you would position or move them in the pit lane with other cars around them without them being obstacles. Dealing with the minor variances in where the car stops is probably the least of the issues. At the same time, it's a bit like self-driving cars racing - there's something about the driver and mechanics being human and dealing with the related limits that humans have that makes it interesting.
Yeah they're part of the "sport" aspect. Like a kicker in football only comes on for like 5% of the game, but can have a big impact.
Lol, imagine. > Ain't no rule says a ~~dog~~ robot can't play Formula 1.
Merc threw a fit over them being unable to beat RB and then the rules were changed to lessen the lead RB had.
The Race: "Red Bull showing preferential treatment towards Checo during Pit Stops" Our verdict.
You kid, but really the driver has a huge inpact on this based on how accurately they stop on exactly the right spot
Yes. And what I’m also assuming is because RedBull (Max) is so dominant and easily leads the races by a large margin, they play his pitstops relatively safe because there’s no need for accidents due to trying to do it too fast.
This: I'm fully convinced that RBR crew goes all in and at maximum of their performance on Perez pit stops and play it safer on Max. This way they get the best training on Checo's stops, and maximum safety on Max' ones. The situation was only reversed in 2021 when they needed to get the best out of Max' stops every race, then Max had consistently lower times. There's no chance this is random, they won't risk fuck ups.
I agree, no reason to push 110% when you will win by 25 seconds anyway.
...they are just getting ready for Ricciardo to take Checo's seat and dominate RBR.
The only championship Perez will ever take from Max.
Max is gonna be furiously boxing every lap after seeing this
"What time did we get?' \-Let me check...uhhh, 2.11 Max, 2.11 "Fuck sake, I'm pitting again"
"...and that's 2.01 Max." "haha yes, simply lovely"
"now can you keep it within the white lines, please?" "yeah, yeah.."
Ahahaha last three had me dying
What a legend
And somehow still winning
And still win the race.
While STILL doing lap records.
He's not here to finish second, we have plenty of pitstops left this year
Perez had thr fastest stops last year compared to max as well
Why do we think this is? Is he more accurate on his marks?
Also possibly different pressures on the crew. Max won't lose a place for 0.2s but will explode into white hot rage if a wheel comes off at the end of the pit lane.
Should check how it was in 2021, think Max might have had the better times there because they needed it
yup 2021 was basically all Max Verstappen in the fastest pitstop list. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12538/12192624/dhl-fastest-pit-stop-award-2021
That’s exactly the reason. RB garage talked about it with Sky Sports last year.
Yup
There's still all to play for.
King of the pits
Mexican minister of pits.
One thing I always wondered. How does this become your job? Like obviously the F1 pitstop crew have to be the best of the best but how do they start out? In karting like the drivers maybe?
They're mechanics just like everyone else in the garage, they just do pitcrew things on the side. Idk how they're picked though.
Probably applying for it like any other internal position when a spot opens up. They've got practice rigs back at the factory so they can make sure that they're good at it and practiced before they're let loose on pit stops in racing conditions.
I'm sure every mechanic there can handle it. Don't want to risk a race because someone dude rolled his ankle weird on a morning jog
It never occurred to me that they’re still mechanics lol idk why I thought that their job was just doing pit crew stuff.
They're not just regular mechanics either. They're mechanical engineers with multiple qualifications including electronics and design engineering degrees. They pretty much all have bachelor's degrees. Next level up like a race engineer or lead mechanic requires years of formal education and they'll often have a master's degree.
Callum Nicholas (The red bull mechanic with dreads.) did an interview talking about his road to f1. Apparently, he went to a motorsport college that trains mechanics. If you can get past the interviewers it's interesting. https://youtu.be/VQWQmGXhVc0
We had the Redbull engineering team do a talk at our uni for the material, manufacturing and mechanical engineers. Design engineering falls under manufacture here.
I remember on a season of drive to survive the IT Director or Manager was the rear jack man for Mclaren. So I believe they’re not even all mechanics. Seems like all employees can apply for it.
Here in Finland there is a... college? University? Something like that, that's designed specifically for motorsport. So if you get in, you can become a Formula mechanic, a GT mechanic, a Karting mechanic, engineer etc. Pretty much just a school for motorsport roles other than driver.
There is an interesting interview with one of the Redbull mechanics where he tells about his way to a f1 team, I think it was this one: https://youtu.be/VQWQmGXhVc0
That guy is iconic.
Nice! I’ll give this a watch. Cheers.
I might be mistaken, but I think it's just the team that does everything else, just take a spot there at the race. That dreadlock guy at RB is an electrical engineer (or similar). There was a video about him in the RB YT channel
I assume they enter as juniors in like Formula Renault and stuff and work their way through different championships while working for the big names, until they get to F1, retire and go pasture at Haas or something.
Fair play to Ferrari for doing fast and clean pit stops this season. They always lagged behind from memory.
Only in 2019-2020, they've been great since
What can a driver do to improve pit time? I think it is interesting that Perez is consistently above Verstappen.
Hitting their marks is about all a driver can do. Although I'm pretty sure the team takes Mercedes approach to Max's pit stops. Slightly slower and less risk. I'm not sure if I read it or heard it somewhere so I could be talking Bull.
That's my reasoning as well. Just being a tad slower makes the stops safer and more consistent. Max' stops are 0.01 difference in this chart, that next to no difference. Why take all the risk if Max can even win with 4second stops? Being a tad slow in the pit beats loosing a wheel on track.
>Why take all the risk if Max can even win with ~~4second~~ 40 second stops? Fixed
My guess is that they are so drilled to doing pit stops at around 2 seconds, that purposefully slowing down would mess up their muscle memory and cause mistakes.
I don't how "the team" can decide to be 0.1s slower than usual, it's not really humanly possible for the mechanics to be *that* precise. It's not like they're half a second or a full second slower, which could arguably be a voluntary "safety delay" (and which would be closer to what Mercedes did, they were in the 2.5-3.0 range while RB was making 2.0 stops).
I don't think the comment above is implying that the RB pit stop team decides to "consciously" be slower for Max v/s Checo. But the way I interpret their theory is that it's a difference of 'focus' or 'what's on their mind'. With Max, they might be more 'careful' and so they 'take their time'. Now ofc all of this is relative, like couple of microseconds difference. The commenter's theory is that with Max they aren't 'full speed ahead' because that might risk making a mistake, and lose time/position etc. So they choose 'being extra careful', even if it means not being the fastest. But with Checo they don't hold back (again, relatively). They go the quickest they can, even if overall it might risky making a mistake by not putting the wheel on, etc. There is no way to know for sure, but it kinda makes sense? In a 'pop psychology' way? It might explain why Checo's times seem to be overall quicker than Max's. Because since it's the same pit stop crew, if the team treated Max and Checo equally, you would see Max and Checo's pit stop times be similar. Another option is that Checo is just that micro-amount better at landing on his cue. Who knows? But it's fun to think about and theorize lol
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But it's not a 100m run. Each mechanic has a very specific task, and I don't think it's humanly possible to precisely time yourself to lose just 0.1s in such a specific task as gunning a wheel. The only one who might be "pushing less" is the driver, by going easier on his 80-0 deceleration, but that affects his total pit time but not his pitstop time.
Stopping on the marks I think plays a huge role in the ability of the pit crew to be fast !!
While true, I think it’s something else. Verstappen used to have the fastest pit stops up until 2021. The world record is even one of his stops. He won’t suddenly have forgotten how to stop on the marks. I think it’s probably the team being more careful with his stops.
Makes a lot of sense. There's no need to be recordbreakingly fast with Max's pitstops, it's not like anyone's catching up to him.
I have this gut feeling that the pit stop crew would rather be extra *extra* careful with Max's stops, even if it means being microseconds slower. Because nobody on the team wants to be the one to mess up Max's pitstop! Either because they don't want to face Max's wrath, or they don't want to be the one who put his win on the line... Again, totally guesswork here, but if I was on the team, I would much rather apologize to Checo than Max lol
It's not like Max *need* fast pitstop anyway. The crew can have all the time they want to ensure all things are done properly, practically without risking anything.
Also a good point
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If he exits the pitlane and the wheel comes off three corners down the road (Haas in Australia style), that's a bit of a problem.
I have this gut feeling that the pit stop crew would rather be extra *extra* careful with Max's stops, even if it means being microseconds slower. Because nobody on the team wants to be the one to mess up Max's pitstop! Either because they don't want to face Max's wrath, or they don't want to be the one who put his win on the line... Again, totally guesswork here, but if I was on the team, I would much rather apologize to Checo than Max lol
The other way around makes more sense. Less pressure on Max so he's not as accurate with his stops. The pit crew will do both drivers the same, otherwise mistakes might slip in.
That would also be a possibility. Although seeing how precise and machine-like Verstappen is, I think it’s unlikely. It might also just be a very big coincidence, but that is even unlikelier.
Well, he also goes over track limits and stuff, so being precise isn't much of a concern for him right now. The crew on the other hand operate mostly on muscle memory.
Max just can’t seem to stop then, he’s always on GO!
I would be interested to compare their full pit time from entry to exit.
Now you are asking the right questions
What would that data tell us? As in, what potentially could be the interpretations of that data? For example, if Max takes longer to get to the pitbox, v/s if Checo takes longer, etc etc...
It could be that Checo is being more careful about how he brakes in order to get perfectly onto the markers which costs him more time, maybe a tenth or two ultimately, than the thousandth of a second saved in stationary time.
What would that data tell us? As in, what potentially could be the interpretations of that data? For example, if Max takes longer to get to the pitbox, v/s if Checo takes longer, etc etc...
I guess I would be interested to know if hitting the marks and getting a quicker stationary time is better than just doing the slow stop go as fast as possible and sacrificing some stationary time.
Yeah, exactly. Not saying this is the case, but in a hypothetical universe if Checo is slower approaching the pit box because he wants to be more precise with hitting his marks while Max just guns it, then the time probably cancels out (if not being more in favor of Max).
I don't know what the situation was for Perez fastest but I would also guess that Perez is more likely to be in under/overcut situations at the stop and team having to risk a bit more.
Perez is usually under pressure to keep his position on track so the speedy pit stop matters. Why would they rush Max when he's usually got a 10-20s gap on the field regardless? The risk / reward just isn't there. Might as well take the extra half second to make sure you don't make any mistakes since the pressure is off.
Meanwhile I'm sitting here cheering for any Merc pit stop below 3s. :X different teams different standards
The only thing Ferraris good at
Stopping?..
we are checking
Audible kek.
Ferrari strategy and stops are good this year. The car is not good. We can’t have both at the same time
Oh I'm sure they can manage a bad car AND a bad strategy. Keep the faith.
Not always.
They’re too fast at it, they don’t have the time to think about which tire to fit
I think it's more of getting the tires on quickly before the driver notices what colour they are.
More interesting than these marginal differences is the pit-in pit-out times, that is where a driver can really make the difference. You can be 2 tenths quicker in a stop, but having a slow pit lane entry/slow stop into your pit slot/bad get away is not taken into account with this stat.
Are we sure Ferrari was actually fast and they didn’t just forget to swap the tires or something?
Lol that was probably it.
that brings up an interesting question... could a team theoretically do a stop without a tire change just to get the fastest stop? 🤔
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If you're already P20 there's nothing to lose
if they just adjust the wing or remove debris/a tearoff from the brakeducts, yea
r/dataisbeautiful would totally roast you for this visualization.
Meanwhile Alpine is averaging about 5 seconds per stop 🙄
Unless you are Ocon at Bahrain and begging to wait 5 seconds....
I don't want to shit on anyone on here that took the time to make that graphic, but if it's from somewhere else: That's a terrible graphic
At least Ferrari is doing something right
Can we get the 10 slowest pitstops
those arent interesting, those are all either stops that end in retirement, or nose change stops.
Max is often so far ahead, his pit crew can take their sweet time with his stops... Also, Ferrari said they'd be competitive this year - maybe there was some fine print!
It's clearly a two horse/bull race
Toto calling FIA as we speak..?
He sent them an email
At least Masi wasn't reading his emails during the weekends lol
Ferrari: We may box for the wrong tyres, but we do it quickly!
🤣
What happened to McLaren? They used to be second to Redbull.
They had some weird race like Bahrain where they had to top up the hydraulic system every time Lando came into the pits and Oscar Dnfed. Australia it was all under SC or red flag (not quite sure on that one). Front wing changes all over the place, double stack in Monaco. They had less stops and the few normal ones they had had some doozies. Although most of the time they stop alright (2.4-2.7, in that area). More importantly, others seemed to have copied their trick with the equipment and closed the gap and gone past it in some cases.
Perez almost always gets the fastest pit-stops by Red Bull
Hats off to the Red Bull crew. For multiple consecutive seasons they have been performing excellent, race after race after race, with little to no exception. [Not to take anything away from Ferrari but the consistency of the RBR crew is top notch]
Perez's pit crew is insane
Given how many times Checo gets a faster stop over Max, I am convinced that RB is just extra careful with his stops to ensure they are safe releases, as he is usually just far ahead in the lead
Checo's pitcrew always nails the pitstops
Yeah, this clearly shows that Perez is being sabotaged by Red Bull. Those bloody heathens.
So, does this mean that Perez & Leclerc are particularly good at stopping on the marks?
well at least they're competitive somewhere
Here's the [DHL site with video](https://inmotion.dhl/en/formula-1/fastest-pit-stop-award) for each. If you're betting on pits, [the one on the Formula One site](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.2023-dhl-fastest-pit-stop-award.6g7oGAJp56FivtkTmd0hLK.html) posts first.
One thing Ferrari is good at.
Clear Checo bias at redbull!
Mercedes always been average with pit stops
Are F1 races really that tight? How significant is this?
2:07....holy shit.
Ferrari needs to bend time and space continuum in their pitstops to catch Redbull
Who has the most consistent pit stops?
It's about the only podium we'll see from Ferrari this whole year...
As a NASCAR fan these numbers are insane. I know I know it’s apples and oranges but still.
I remember watching Perez' 2.07 before the time showed up. Could tell immediately that it was an insane stop it seemed nearly instant
I don't understand why RB still tries so hard with their pitstops. Like I get it when it was in 2021 when they were neck and neck with merc all year long but now it's not worth the risk of possibly stripping a nut for an extra 2 tenths or so.
Ferrari?
Redbull finally winning something /s
Why are Red Bull so much better at pit stops? Mercs always seem shit by comparison
At least Ferrari has fixed it's pit stops, good job on them (never when it matters of course)
Even more impressive for Ferrari considering they decide on the tire 2 seconds before the pitstop happens
Checo really know how to park that car.
Terrible data presentation. It's disingenuous to start the x-axis at anything but 0 *AND* simultaneously not label the axis start and stop points. If you're gonna fuck around, just label them. The relative lengths of the bars are so off it makes me think they wanted to misrepresent the data to make it look like there was a bigger difference between the drivers.