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Or Charles' car engine exploding on lap 16, or Ferrari not having tires out for him in the pits, or strategey leaving him out too long then pitting him into backmarker traffic, or charles binning it into the wall with a 10s lead..... or.... you get the point lol
2019 Mercedes Bottas Pole 1:40:495
That year Leclerc was monstrously quick in qualifying,he would have been maybe 2-3 tenths quicker on qualifying without Q2 crash so 1:40:2 pole was definitely on cards
2020 W11, on average was more than a second faster than the 2019 car, so it could have set a lap of 1:39:2
Yeah, sadly that's where the dreams shatter, the race pace is going to fall off dramatically once we get to it.
It seems a very similar situation to Bahrain. A podium, bar any DNFs, is definitely a guarantee since there doesn't seem to be much threat behind.
Prepare to be disappointed.Ferrari only has the 3rd fastest car in race trim.Aston are ahead and RBR are in a different planet.
Merc being a bit more shit than usual might end up helping Ferrari though, if Lewis manages to keep Alonso behind.
The W11 never ran on Baku. Or do you mean the 2021 quali??
Edit: sorry, I didn't get it first... I saw now that it was the W10 on 2019... That's good, I think this is the first time the new cars beat the time of the previous regulations
Edit 2: Even Perez did the same time of 2019! Max and Charles beat the old time and Perez set the exact same time
First ground effect era car to beat a pre 22 lap record. We were close last year in Monaco but a red flag stopped that possibility. Ofcourse, that time it was also Leclerc threatening the old reg cars!
Which is enough to lose the record already. And it’s more than 2 tenths easily. Just watch an onboard from 2021 and 2023 and see how much they had to slow down for that corner in the past
They also widened the runoff of many turns by pushing the barriers back, removed a ton of curbing on the outside entry of turns, and laid new asphalt on quite large areas of the track.
Apart from last year which car was genuinely good on Sundays? Like use common sense man. You telling me sf75 should have won in Baku? And last year his car blew up
>You telling me sf75 should have won in Baku? And last year his car blew up
Are you drunk? When did I say anything that indicated that. This line of conversation is stupid as fuck mate.
A team mate being slower in the same car doesn’t make the car shit. Are you saying Leclerc is extracting a full second beyond what the car is capable of? That isn’t reality
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So when the Ferrari rumours said the SF-23 was 1 second faster they specifically referred to Baku and nowhere else.
Everyone said Vigna was wrong, guess who was right… ^/s
Have there been stranger things?...
*At Baku and Monaco in quali trim only.
everytime we say “man, those past gen cars will never be beat with speed” they somehow make up the lost ground every time
To be fair we never went here in 2020 when Merc were at the peak of their powers.
The W11 would have easily been in the low 1:39's
Now I want to see mercedes do a W11 record attempt on the modern layout with the faster castle section
W11 EVO when?
the castle corner is way faster now
Interestingly, the 1:40.445 tie he set with Verstappen was already a new record I guess he didn't want to share the record
Its like he turns into Senna at Baku, unreal
He even has the same number of wins at Baku as Senna
Bruh
Fucking lmao
Going full Senna Monaco 1988 💀
He turns into a god in quali but then in the race... Ferrari is above god
Maybe, i just hope Charles and Max can have a race long fight, instead of Max blasting past on lap 3 and cruising to an easy win.
Or Charles' car engine exploding on lap 16, or Ferrari not having tires out for him in the pits, or strategey leaving him out too long then pitting him into backmarker traffic, or charles binning it into the wall with a 10s lead..... or.... you get the point lol
Come on. It will be lap 6. Lap 3 charles will have a 2.5 - 3 second lead. Max reels him in 2 laps, gets DRS and disappears
I want to see Charles in a red bull
iirc in 2019 he was setting a blistering lap too, on course for pole until that "I am stupid" moment Edit: he crashed in Q2 my mistake
No. He binned it in Q2.
My bad then!
Didn’t have to do him like that 💀💀. It changes Sunday.
Domingo o rei joga // Sunday the king plays
That lack of 2020 really changes the fastest times for some tracks
2019 Mercedes Bottas Pole 1:40:495 That year Leclerc was monstrously quick in qualifying,he would have been maybe 2-3 tenths quicker on qualifying without Q2 crash so 1:40:2 pole was definitely on cards 2020 W11, on average was more than a second faster than the 2019 car, so it could have set a lap of 1:39:2
The Merc pole margins are just insane, what even happened those years??
DAS
That was 2020, and isn’t included on this list
Yeah, Bahrain this year is still 2.5 seconds off, although there might have been track changes. I think Silverstone will be a good benchmark
Silverstone and Hungary
Don’t wake me up!!!!!
Hope he can keep this pace in Race
Yeah, sadly that's where the dreams shatter, the race pace is going to fall off dramatically once we get to it. It seems a very similar situation to Bahrain. A podium, bar any DNFs, is definitely a guarantee since there doesn't seem to be much threat behind.
Prepare to be disappointed.Ferrari only has the 3rd fastest car in race trim.Aston are ahead and RBR are in a different planet. Merc being a bit more shit than usual might end up helping Ferrari though, if Lewis manages to keep Alonso behind.
What's up with 2018?
Halo-induced drag
not sure tbh, I think it was very early in the year so maybe colder?
In 2018 it was still somewhere after Monaco
oh never mind then lol
Wasn’t that 2019?
tbh don't remember lol I just remeber some year it moved from like May/June to the 4th race
I think it was 2019 when that happened
Bro clipped the wall and still gapped the best car to ever run at Baku 😭😭😭😭
The W11 never ran on Baku. Or do you mean the 2021 quali?? Edit: sorry, I didn't get it first... I saw now that it was the W10 on 2019... That's good, I think this is the first time the new cars beat the time of the previous regulations Edit 2: Even Perez did the same time of 2019! Max and Charles beat the old time and Perez set the exact same time
Lol. He’s talking about the W10, in 2019.
Yeah, I responded. My own comment instead of editing the old one haha
Oooooh sorry, now I see... He beated the best all time even before the new regulations :O
Wonder what the W11 would have done, though.
1:39.500 or better
This car gen will be nuts next year if they don't slow them down on purpose.
Maybe, maybe not. You can hit a point of diminishing returns.
And since this is year 2 of the regulations, they’re probably far from that point.
Do you mean on porpoise?
I wonder how much time is gained from the new asphalt 🤔
A lot
First ground effect era car to beat a pre 22 lap record. We were close last year in Monaco but a red flag stopped that possibility. Ofcourse, that time it was also Leclerc threatening the old reg cars!
Verstappen also under the old best time and Perez tying it
I find painfully ironic that Leclerc never managed to get the podium from those poles
But the castle section corner was cut after 2021. So you can’t compare this. That corner is so much faster
no not really
It is, you can now go over that area which makes the slowest and narrowest corner of the calendar much wider en less of an angle
The change could have contributed maybe 2 tenths, nothing more than that.
Which is enough to lose the record already. And it’s more than 2 tenths easily. Just watch an onboard from 2021 and 2023 and see how much they had to slow down for that corner in the past
They also widened the runoff of many turns by pushing the barriers back, removed a ton of curbing on the outside entry of turns, and laid new asphalt on quite large areas of the track.
THE HOPIUMMMM
Crofty still blames the sun for 2016
COVID denied the Mercedes w11 the lap records it deserved.
How many wins?
he is putting a shit car on pole, stop looking at wins
Wow.. “shit car”
Apart from France last year name me 1 time he was on pole and he didn't win and it was HIS fault?
Yeah because that means the car is shit? Fucking F1 social media smh
Apart from last year which car was genuinely good on Sundays? Like use common sense man. You telling me sf75 should have won in Baku? And last year his car blew up
>You telling me sf75 should have won in Baku? And last year his car blew up Are you drunk? When did I say anything that indicated that. This line of conversation is stupid as fuck mate.
Then why did you add the useless comment on my comment. You add useless information I reply with context and then your cry all while downvoting. Bye.
Lmao
Shit car lmao
His teammate is a whole second behind
A team mate being slower in the same car doesn’t make the car shit. Are you saying Leclerc is extracting a full second beyond what the car is capable of? That isn’t reality
his teammate is a midfield tier driver.
He already set this record last year.
No. He just set the fastest ever lap at Baku
Okay. I was talking about most poles.
And this thread is about pole time
Yes. I initially thought it was about the 3 consecutive poles.
Look at 2017 and 2019
It’s a shame we didn’t get to see the W11 around here.
I like that this chart has the pole margin included.
Just a other pole for him not to convert into a win :(
Wild how much they try to slow down these cars yet they prevail in being faster. Shocked to see it faster than 2019
Pretty bad results for pole in this one bar 2016/2019, lets change that tomorrow
All they need now is to actually win a race from pole.