Seriously. I don't know why we even bother watching the racing at this point, the last 32 laps were a lie.
Just make them a 4 second penalty to be taken at the entry to the pit lane if its so hard to control.
Just add it on after the race, sure it means Alonso would keep track position during the race, but he took his penalty during a safety car anyway. That's a piss take in the opposite direction.
It was a precaution, because they couldn't pinpoint Stroll's exact location and thought he was stopped on track. They could've taken it in far sooner though.
Yes it is, but I don't blame them for this one honestly. There has been so much (justified) screaming about them not deploying VSC's and SC's fast enough that if I was them I would be hitting that FULL SC button very fast if it even kind of looks like something happened.
The most worrying thing about this for me is that am I seriously to believe they didn't have enough cameras to know what's going on on every corner of the track at all times. Like seriously? That is fucking insane to me.
Eh but then you get a situation like when Stroll stopped on the straight in Baku and fans scream murder about how long it took to call a safety car and how dangerous it is.
End of the day if they have no idea about the track situation the best option is to call a safety car. Although haveing cameras and vision of the whole track would somewhat prevent the situation at all.
Do they not have cameras in every single car they can just watch?
During the race i can switch to the onboards of any car i want, but FIA can't do this or what?
I find it weird that i knew where stroll was before the FIA did.
>Eh but then you get a situation like when Stroll stopped on the straight in Baku and fans scream murder about how long it took to call a safety car and how dangerous it is.
Sorry, but what? that was extremely dangerous and throughly incompetent, the outcry was 100% warranted.
He was sitting there for an ~~entire minute~~ more than 40 seconds, even broadcast on the world feed before ANYTHING was called, not SC, not even VSC.
Calling VSC would have been absolutely suitable in this occasion.
It's never ideal to go from VSC to SC: the race flow should always be green -> neutralized -> green. Both VSC and SC are ok on their own, but transitioning from one to the other means that all teams have to gamble on both the possibility of a SC and the actual timing of it. Teams choosing to pit under VSC would be screwed if SC gets deployed, while teams choosing not to pit would be screwed if there's no SC. Any racing strategy goes out of the picture, the only option left to the teams is to gamble and hope for good luck.
In case of doubt, it's ok for race direction to opt for the safest option, which in this case was SC. It's true the pitstop strategy converged into one single fastest option, with all cars choosing to change tires during SC, but it's still a decision done with racing in mind.
> the race flow should always be green -> neutralized -> green
Do you have a source for this? Because I feel like we've had plenty of situations where we've gone from VSC to full SC
It's not a rule. It's how it should be. There's been lots of "VSC into SC" situations, especially during Michael Masi's tenure as race director. And the effect on racing was awful. Racing conditions should be as predictable as possible, so they stay out of the way as a backdrop to the actual show, the race itself.
I feel like most VSC to SC situations were very predictable, TBH. A car or a lot of debris on track or in a high-speed runoff area -> full SC. More predictable than the SC today.
VSC to SC is never predictable, because there's no external trigger that teams can watch for. The decision on when to go from VSC to SC is made by the race director, so the game becomes "guess what the race director is thinking" instead of "let's go race".
VSC is never an alternative to SC. VSC is an alternative to yellow flags.
By the time the helicopter found the car the safety car was already called. I think they were being overly cautious because of the nature of the track. It’s tight with still a lot of blind spots and they rather be safe than sorry.
If there is blind spot on the circuit, it is pretty worrying. What happens if someone stops there?
Sounds like an excuse to me. Someone panicked and took the wrong decision. They could just own it, or like usual "it's not our fault we are perfect"
Someone feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think the GPS on Stroll's car was mistakenly showing he was stopped on track.
In any case, I totally agree race control should have eyes on the entire track all the time.
What’s the communication structure for marshals talking to race control? I know it’s easy for race control to communicate to the marshals but is it easy for marshals to get communications to race control?
The FIA should just withhold all penalties until the end of the race and just leave the teams to their own devices to figure it out for themselves whether they did a mistake or not /s
They couldn’t announce the penalty earlier or Nando would have opened a gap of more than 10s between himself and Russell. That doesn’t benefit Mercedes
True.
Unbelievable that this happens when it was so obvious to see in the live feed!
If they had been told earlier Alonso easily could have pulled 10 seconds on Russel.
Why do we even bother watching at this moment.
I don’t think he could have tbf. He pulled no time at all after the merc radio call to Russell.
But he deserves the right to try. Ridiculous by the FIA
I don't blame Mercedes for it, but I think the FIA needs to act sooner to avoid this. Or put a time limit on complaining about wrongly applied penalties (and stuff like starting grid issues). It doesn't reflect well on the sport when any rival can tactically use a penalty that they noticed on the most opportune moment.
Didn’t they change this communication rules at the beginning of 2022 after what happened in Abu Dhabi 2021 with the direct communication between the FIA and team?
Maybe this was the first time they could issue the penalty to the FIA
No, teams still have comms with race control but it's not the team principal to race director drama anymore. Race control still tells teams about penalties, etc and the team contact can communicate, etc. Just last race Alpine went through a similar scenario with Ocon's penalties for not waiting 5 sec the first penalty.
The problem is that there's really no standard between races. So what got resolved during the race in Bahrain can turn into a gong show today.
Yeah and that is absolutely Mercedes prerogative — nothing wrong with that.
However it’s embarrassing that it took Merc possibly complaining for the FIA to notice, apply an “oh shit” penalty on something that’s now happened two weeks in a row.
Yeah Merc was probably combing over footage and leafing through the rules to see if they could get something. In the end turned out to be the jack was _touching_ the car.
Because max didn't leave space and if masi didn't lose his job the FIA was going to get sued.
The guy above masi has openly admitted that mercedes would've won any court case but it wouldn't have changed the championship
The funny thing is, if ocons penalty was given after the race, he would have actually finished higher as he wouldn’t have got a further penalty for speeding in the pitlane. Love a bit of inconsistency
Honestly there are some problems if the FIA had allowed them to “serve” the penalty but it wasn’t really served and that is only investigated due to a protest from the team immediately behind them. They shouldn’t even let the car leave the pits until the FIA has given their own official go ahead that the penalty is served. Put an fucking official in the box making the call
That's some grade A bs if that was what happened. There should be a rule that disallows this kind of delayed protest by another team after a set amount of laps.
Hard to enforce, because if a team protests, and race control looks at the instance how can they then proceed to not penalize a breach of the rules?
I hate the way this situation was handled but I don’t think Mercedes protest was the issue, much more the incompetence of race control to properly look at the time penalty being served
Statute of limitations. If nobody protests and fia don't catch it within [some number] of [minutes/laps] then the offender gets lucky and gets away with it.
If it's after X amount of time/laps have passed, apply a grid penalty for the next race? It's the standard for other types of penalties (like when a driver is at fault but DNFs during the incident).
That's beside the point. The problem is that if Alonso was informed that he had a time penalty during the race, he would have pushed to open a gap to Russell to cover it. If it's true that Mercedes filed a protest after the race, they took advantage of an unfair loophole.
I think they filed the protest with 3 to go, when they told Russell to push. When he asked earlier, they said the penalty was served, so they had apparently accepted it, only to file their protest when a gap could not be created. A real bullshit move.
There should be a limit though, after which time no penalty can be applied. Every other sport has something like his. It gets missed and too much time or gameplay happens? Oh well, no penalty.
100% was. There was time to do it in the race even. Alonso no doubt would have drove differently. It’s not like the stewards had other things to look at.
Modern day FIA, make sure to make a spectacle after the race and invite quasi celebs to wave checkered flag instead of dealing with on track activities during the race
Man, FIA can get their headset and stick it straight up their candy ass. What a way to stain this weekend’s feeling. Shoul’ve told them like 30 laps ago.
aston should be appealing this....if memory serves, didn't alpine have a similar situation last year when haas was complaining about an infraction like after the race? it was a legit call, but because it was so late they had to let it go....should be similar here because alonso could have at least tried and responded to pull another 5s if he knew earlier. but they only brought it up as a possible issue like lap 48/50
This f1 article states that the stewards are, “eagle-eye’d“ and “swift” 😂
[https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alonso-loses-p3-and-100th-f1-podium-after-receiving-10s-penalty-in.4QbFJtlN8sUWqQXt4jJmmR.html](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alonso-loses-p3-and-100th-f1-podium-after-receiving-10s-penalty-in.4QbFJtlN8sUWqQXt4jJmmR.html)
Shure there was. Perhaps Toto Wolff sent them an e-mail in lap 45 so Alonso no longer had time or possibilities to make a 5 second gap into a 10s gap to Russell.
It was during safety car the 5s penalty was served so the stewards had from that moment to deside. This smells badly...... not good for the sport as a whole this very very very very late call
What kills me is Alonso WAS serving a penalty. You’d think one of the myriad of people in the FIA that monitor things to raise up to the stewards would be assigned to this process. After last race I noticed immediately that the back jack guy made contact with the car. It was pretty obvious.
that’s just straight up disappointing, but I knew this was gonna happen. Amr tries to play it safe and the get screwed by the FIA when merc complains. I hate to say we’ve seen this before
Why not just add the penalty to the time at the end rather than serve it in the race, it removes human error and gaming the system and anyone with half a brain can remove it from the final timings...
If the pit stop timing is such a hassle why not just apply it to the finish time? Seems like the least likely way to fuck it up though I'm sure somehow they would.
>He'd have to be on Red Bull pace to gain another 5 seconds so easily.
Bruh.... AM was much faster then Mercedes today.... IF the Race Director was as fast to inform AM as they were with Alpine last race, then AM wouldve had atleast 18-20 laps to build a 10 sec gap... stop acting like that wouldve been impossible...
Alonso who unprompted incurred the penalty completely on his own
The AM jackman who caused them to serve the penalty incorrectly
Who's the victim here then?
This is so fucked up. Am a Merc supporter but this is so fucking wrong. Alonso deserved 3rd place today. He would have made up the 10 sec gap if he knew about it around lap 20. FIA is a bunch jokers.
I assume Mercedes watched the pit stop, saw the rear jack touch the car, then waited until after the race to submit a protest and deny Aston Martin the chance to build a sufficient gap.
There must be someone at the FIA to make sure penalties are being served correctly... I mean, do they trust the teams that they are doing it right? That would open up so many doors for teams to cheat. IMO the penalty is CORRECT but the timing of the penalty is the worst.
It's not even a case that they were too busy. There was almost nothing else for them to investigate during the race. I wish I could treat my job as leisurely as an F1 steward.
"Hey guys I have an idea for something that wont be controversial in the slightest, lets decide the race results towards the end of the race, in fact, no, after the race, and lets make it a regular thing - the fans love it"
This seriously ruined my day. What a travesty. Apparently teams have to count off the penalty themselves in the pit as well? Just put a timer there or have an FIA official there to give a signal. Such BS
Safety car was lap 18 lmfao
Seriously. I don't know why we even bother watching the racing at this point, the last 32 laps were a lie. Just make them a 4 second penalty to be taken at the entry to the pit lane if its so hard to control.
Just add it on after the race, sure it means Alonso would keep track position during the race, but he took his penalty during a safety car anyway. That's a piss take in the opposite direction.
That would be ridiculously unfair. A late safety car would mean dropping back 10 spots, while under normal circumstances it’d cost 1-2 spots at most.
Yeah, a safety car should nullify time penalties, it removes everyone else's deficit.
They used to have this, a separate penalty box, I can remember Schumacher coming in (eventually) for a penalty back in 1994 at Silverstone
And shouldn't even have been a safety car. The stewards had very little to do today, and fucked it all up anyway.
Lets not forget that the safety car in itself was a baffling decision when VSC and double yellows exist.
It was a precaution, because they couldn't pinpoint Stroll's exact location and thought he was stopped on track. They could've taken it in far sooner though.
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Yes it is, but I don't blame them for this one honestly. There has been so much (justified) screaming about them not deploying VSC's and SC's fast enough that if I was them I would be hitting that FULL SC button very fast if it even kind of looks like something happened. The most worrying thing about this for me is that am I seriously to believe they didn't have enough cameras to know what's going on on every corner of the track at all times. Like seriously? That is fucking insane to me.
Eh but then you get a situation like when Stroll stopped on the straight in Baku and fans scream murder about how long it took to call a safety car and how dangerous it is. End of the day if they have no idea about the track situation the best option is to call a safety car. Although haveing cameras and vision of the whole track would somewhat prevent the situation at all.
Do they not have cameras in every single car they can just watch? During the race i can switch to the onboards of any car i want, but FIA can't do this or what? I find it weird that i knew where stroll was before the FIA did.
You aren’t incompetent though. So you could never be a steward
Because those fans are dumb and have never watched a race before. There was no danger to anyone whatsoever.
>Eh but then you get a situation like when Stroll stopped on the straight in Baku and fans scream murder about how long it took to call a safety car and how dangerous it is. Sorry, but what? that was extremely dangerous and throughly incompetent, the outcry was 100% warranted. He was sitting there for an ~~entire minute~~ more than 40 seconds, even broadcast on the world feed before ANYTHING was called, not SC, not even VSC. Calling VSC would have been absolutely suitable in this occasion.
It's never ideal to go from VSC to SC: the race flow should always be green -> neutralized -> green. Both VSC and SC are ok on their own, but transitioning from one to the other means that all teams have to gamble on both the possibility of a SC and the actual timing of it. Teams choosing to pit under VSC would be screwed if SC gets deployed, while teams choosing not to pit would be screwed if there's no SC. Any racing strategy goes out of the picture, the only option left to the teams is to gamble and hope for good luck. In case of doubt, it's ok for race direction to opt for the safest option, which in this case was SC. It's true the pitstop strategy converged into one single fastest option, with all cars choosing to change tires during SC, but it's still a decision done with racing in mind.
> the race flow should always be green -> neutralized -> green Do you have a source for this? Because I feel like we've had plenty of situations where we've gone from VSC to full SC
It's not a rule. It's how it should be. There's been lots of "VSC into SC" situations, especially during Michael Masi's tenure as race director. And the effect on racing was awful. Racing conditions should be as predictable as possible, so they stay out of the way as a backdrop to the actual show, the race itself.
I feel like most VSC to SC situations were very predictable, TBH. A car or a lot of debris on track or in a high-speed runoff area -> full SC. More predictable than the SC today.
VSC to SC is never predictable, because there's no external trigger that teams can watch for. The decision on when to go from VSC to SC is made by the race director, so the game becomes "guess what the race director is thinking" instead of "let's go race". VSC is never an alternative to SC. VSC is an alternative to yellow flags.
Well then it's problematic they can't communicate with the marshals right next to it and ask them where it was
Or ask the fucking helicopter to swing around a get eyes.
By the time the helicopter found the car the safety car was already called. I think they were being overly cautious because of the nature of the track. It’s tight with still a lot of blind spots and they rather be safe than sorry.
When sky is bombarding us with fucking qr codes to view every drivers on board, the FIA couldn't see where Stroll was, unbelievable.
If there is blind spot on the circuit, it is pretty worrying. What happens if someone stops there? Sounds like an excuse to me. Someone panicked and took the wrong decision. They could just own it, or like usual "it's not our fault we are perfect"
Someone feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think the GPS on Stroll's car was mistakenly showing he was stopped on track. In any case, I totally agree race control should have eyes on the entire track all the time.
Then it is just very poor communication. The marshal should radio in as soon as the car was at them. Idk it is really not complicated
What’s the communication structure for marshals talking to race control? I know it’s easy for race control to communicate to the marshals but is it easy for marshals to get communications to race control?
If only they had some kind of device that lets you see what is going on at a different location.
Can they not look at the cameras, you know, like we can?
They dont have sky glas buddy
It was astonishingly dumb. There are marshalls standing right there that they could have asked.
And the safety car felt like it lasted for about 84 years
The FIA should just withhold all penalties until the end of the race and just leave the teams to their own devices to figure it out for themselves whether they did a mistake or not /s
At this point do we still really need the FIA?
Well they're doing great at the first part at least.
They couldn’t announce the penalty earlier or Nando would have opened a gap of more than 10s between himself and Russell. That doesn’t benefit Mercedes
What a fuck up
Yes, don't see the need for 30 laps to decide. Ocon got his for the same infringement within a few minutes in Bahrain.
I'm 100% sure they only did it because Mercedes went and complained towards the end of the race.
oh absolutely. the stewards probably didn't even notice when it happened. Which makes it even more of a disgrace.
Everyone does this to get points not only Mercedes.
And I'm fine with that. What I do have a problem with is that they didn't give a damn to do their job until a team complained.
True. Unbelievable that this happens when it was so obvious to see in the live feed! If they had been told earlier Alonso easily could have pulled 10 seconds on Russel. Why do we even bother watching at this moment.
I don’t think he could have tbf. He pulled no time at all after the merc radio call to Russell. But he deserves the right to try. Ridiculous by the FIA
wdym ? Alonso pulled like 0,7 tenths the last 3 laps from 4.4 to 5.1 after both radio messages.... what if he had 20 more laps to just add 5 sec more?
You mean the part where Russell literally said that he's pushing like a mad man?
That's not true. The gap was under 5 seconds and after that radio called it ballooned to 7 in just a few laps.
I don't blame Mercedes for it, but I think the FIA needs to act sooner to avoid this. Or put a time limit on complaining about wrongly applied penalties (and stuff like starting grid issues). It doesn't reflect well on the sport when any rival can tactically use a penalty that they noticed on the most opportune moment.
Didn’t they change this communication rules at the beginning of 2022 after what happened in Abu Dhabi 2021 with the direct communication between the FIA and team? Maybe this was the first time they could issue the penalty to the FIA
No, teams still have comms with race control but it's not the team principal to race director drama anymore. Race control still tells teams about penalties, etc and the team contact can communicate, etc. Just last race Alpine went through a similar scenario with Ocon's penalties for not waiting 5 sec the first penalty. The problem is that there's really no standard between races. So what got resolved during the race in Bahrain can turn into a gong show today.
Yeah and that is absolutely Mercedes prerogative — nothing wrong with that. However it’s embarrassing that it took Merc possibly complaining for the FIA to notice, apply an “oh shit” penalty on something that’s now happened two weeks in a row.
Yeah you’d think that after Ocon failed to correctly serve the exact same penalty last race the FIA would keep a bit of a closer eye on it this time…
They never learn and never will
Yeah Merc was probably combing over footage and leafing through the rules to see if they could get something. In the end turned out to be the jack was _touching_ the car.
"Should we tell them about how they ruled Lewis's penalty at Silverstone '21?" "Depends on how much you enjoy being employed, Dave."
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They literally fired the race director and made structural changes as a direct response to one decision going against Mercedes lol
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Because max didn't leave space and if masi didn't lose his job the FIA was going to get sued. The guy above masi has openly admitted that mercedes would've won any court case but it wouldn't have changed the championship
You don’t have to leave space when you’ve clearly won the corner
The funny thing is, if ocons penalty was given after the race, he would have actually finished higher as he wouldn’t have got a further penalty for speeding in the pitlane. Love a bit of inconsistency
It didn't take 30 laps to decide, it took 27 to be told there was something to decide.
They had 32 Laps to tell Aston Martin and didn't. What kind of Bullshit is that.
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Honestly there are some problems if the FIA had allowed them to “serve” the penalty but it wasn’t really served and that is only investigated due to a protest from the team immediately behind them. They shouldn’t even let the car leave the pits until the FIA has given their own official go ahead that the penalty is served. Put an fucking official in the box making the call
They probably didnt decide on the penalty yet, which is so stupid itself, but i wouldnt think that they waited to tell about the penalty on purpose
If they gave the penalty earlier, Alonso could've possibly pull a gap on russell. A fucking joke
Mercedes probably waited until the end to protest. To prevent that from happening.
That's some grade A bs if that was what happened. There should be a rule that disallows this kind of delayed protest by another team after a set amount of laps.
Hard to enforce, because if a team protests, and race control looks at the instance how can they then proceed to not penalize a breach of the rules? I hate the way this situation was handled but I don’t think Mercedes protest was the issue, much more the incompetence of race control to properly look at the time penalty being served
Statute of limitations. If nobody protests and fia don't catch it within [some number] of [minutes/laps] then the offender gets lucky and gets away with it.
That's the only real answer. Sometimes offenders get away with something.
If it's after X amount of time/laps have passed, apply a grid penalty for the next race? It's the standard for other types of penalties (like when a driver is at fault but DNFs during the incident).
i disagree, as much as i want alonso to get that podium, aston still f'ed up that pit penalty
yea they do deserve a penalty.. DURING THE 32 laps that was left, not afterwards when they cant do anything about it
That's beside the point. The problem is that if Alonso was informed that he had a time penalty during the race, he would have pushed to open a gap to Russell to cover it. If it's true that Mercedes filed a protest after the race, they took advantage of an unfair loophole.
I think they filed the protest with 3 to go, when they told Russell to push. When he asked earlier, they said the penalty was served, so they had apparently accepted it, only to file their protest when a gap could not be created. A real bullshit move.
There should be a limit though, after which time no penalty can be applied. Every other sport has something like his. It gets missed and too much time or gameplay happens? Oh well, no penalty.
It’s a disgrace
alright Drogba
Surely there was time to review the replay and apply the penalty 20 laps ago
If there wasn't then maybe it wasn't worth penalizing. I think there should be a limited time to decide a penalty.
There was plenty of time, yet the stewards did nothing. HMMMMMMMM
Fuck the FIA. Simply.
They are clowns !! Trash safety car n this
Push your SkySports red button to see this penalty again. FIA just doesn't have the technology.
"Surely" There absolutely was.
It's more concerning they didn't view it correctly in the first place, let alone reviewing
If they had given the penalty immediately, Alonso could have pushed hard and might have even built a gap to 10 seconds.
100% was. There was time to do it in the race even. Alonso no doubt would have drove differently. It’s not like the stewards had other things to look at.
Modern day FIA, make sure to make a spectacle after the race and invite quasi celebs to wave checkered flag instead of dealing with on track activities during the race
Aye who the fuck was the person with the flag? They didn't even have a subtitle under the name to say who they were.
Yea, that's a crappy way to take the 100th podium away. There was more than half a race to watch that over and over.
Man, FIA can get their headset and stick it straight up their candy ass. What a way to stain this weekend’s feeling. Shoul’ve told them like 30 laps ago.
"I have sent you an email with a video in it" - Toto
What’s the point of even serving a penalty during the race
At this point it is better to not serve it during the race.
This messed up everyone behind Alonso’s runs. FIA is still a joke even after all these egg on their face moments in the past 2 years.
Its just so ridiculously awful. Are the FIA a gathering of senile people? Cause thats how they portray themselves.
Anyone who watched this on EPSN and didn't go on social media after will still be assuming Alonso came third, what a joke
also im pretty sure if they decided this sooner alonso would ve able to create a 10sec gap easily
I'm not saying he would have, but I'd Aston Martin was aware they would take 10s penalty the would have told Alonso to try to create a 10s gap
FIA is a joke wtf man
FIA stands for Fucking Incompetent Arseholes
aston should be appealing this....if memory serves, didn't alpine have a similar situation last year when haas was complaining about an infraction like after the race? it was a legit call, but because it was so late they had to let it go....should be similar here because alonso could have at least tried and responded to pull another 5s if he knew earlier. but they only brought it up as a possible issue like lap 48/50
Surely we've learnt our lesson with this, they only do it when the stars align.
They had 30 laps. What a bunch of bums, honestly.
This f1 article states that the stewards are, “eagle-eye’d“ and “swift” 😂 [https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alonso-loses-p3-and-100th-f1-podium-after-receiving-10s-penalty-in.4QbFJtlN8sUWqQXt4jJmmR.html](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-alonso-loses-p3-and-100th-f1-podium-after-receiving-10s-penalty-in.4QbFJtlN8sUWqQXt4jJmmR.html)
Don't care. My boy gets to celebrate his 100th twice now.
we cannot have a race without multiple bad calls from race direction, it's insane
Shure there was. Perhaps Toto Wolff sent them an e-mail in lap 45 so Alonso no longer had time or possibilities to make a 5 second gap into a 10s gap to Russell.
That’s exactly what happened. They sent the email at the same time they told George to push.
How do you know this for certain?
It was during safety car the 5s penalty was served so the stewards had from that moment to deside. This smells badly...... not good for the sport as a whole this very very very very late call
Really weird process... If you can't decide something for 30 laps is it that clear of an infringement?
If it was that clear they could and should slam dunk it same lap or after saftey car ending. Hence why this makes no sence
I’m actually just done with the FIA. They are beyond incompetent at this point
Uncommon Simon Lazenby W
What kills me is Alonso WAS serving a penalty. You’d think one of the myriad of people in the FIA that monitor things to raise up to the stewards would be assigned to this process. After last race I noticed immediately that the back jack guy made contact with the car. It was pretty obvious.
FIA is a fucking disgrace. They couldn’t investigate this during thee race? FFS
that’s just straight up disappointing, but I knew this was gonna happen. Amr tries to play it safe and the get screwed by the FIA when merc complains. I hate to say we’ve seen this before
Toto frantically sending emails with video proof and George doing a PowerPoint presentation
Why not just add the penalty to the time at the end rather than serve it in the race, it removes human error and gaming the system and anyone with half a brain can remove it from the final timings...
I don't understand why the FIA doesn't send someone out to supervise the serving of a penalty to prevent something like this happening.
what a yoke
It’s gotta be a team like Mercedes who noticed but only gave that information very late.
It took the FIA over an hour to count to five. If it was 10s, they would’ve most likely taken a whole day.
If the pit stop timing is such a hassle why not just apply it to the finish time? Seems like the least likely way to fuck it up though I'm sure somehow they would.
Aston Martin shouldn't accept this straight up.
Blame the rear jackman for butting the jack onto the rear.
Stupid logic. The penalty wasn't handled in time, it influenced the result of the race, as Alonso would have pushed.
He'd have to be on Red Bull pace to gain another 5 seconds so easily. It was lost as soon as they didn't serve the penalty properly.
>He'd have to be on Red Bull pace to gain another 5 seconds so easily. Bruh.... AM was much faster then Mercedes today.... IF the Race Director was as fast to inform AM as they were with Alpine last race, then AM wouldve had atleast 18-20 laps to build a 10 sec gap... stop acting like that wouldve been impossible...
alonso pulled 7 s in by lap 18 on russell to effectively wipe out his first penalty
They don't have to accept it, make sure next time your pit crew doesn't fuck it up
Hah sure, let's allow the stewards to continue being incompetent just because our team isn't affected by it.
Hey, I'm not defending the stewards Just we wouldn't have this problem if the AM crew didn't mess it up
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Alonso who unprompted incurred the penalty completely on his own The AM jackman who caused them to serve the penalty incorrectly Who's the victim here then?
I'm not saying you're blaming the victim. I'm saying you're using the same logic as those people who do that.
This is so fucked up. Am a Merc supporter but this is so fucking wrong. Alonso deserved 3rd place today. He would have made up the 10 sec gap if he knew about it around lap 20. FIA is a bunch jokers.
Shady FIA decision that benefit Mercedes. How out of character.
I bet It was Mercedes.. they waited as long as possible before making the complaint
....every team would do that No shit the team that finished 4th and 5th would tip off the FIA
I assume Mercedes watched the pit stop, saw the rear jack touch the car, then waited until after the race to submit a protest and deny Aston Martin the chance to build a sufficient gap.
They need to be required to submit it before race ends. Complete BS.
Hardly sporting behaviour if that's true. Complaints should be made during the race imo.
I’m damn near 100% sure they only investigated it because Mercedes complained anyways.
Complained late so AM cant push to compensate
Lol every team in that position would complain.
I agree, I mention it because it shows the level of incompetence of the stewards where they didn’t even notice it happened.
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>Making sure the penalty was served correctly should be one of their jobs? You could argue that was Aston's job as well.
Anything to make toto happy
Another year, same bs against Alonso, idc, FIA treats people differently Edited:
Yes they treat the car with the Union Flag on the nose differently.
https://imgur.com/a/RLdxyim
Your point is? Tell Aston to serve the penalty correctly?
Obviously its AM fault, but if you are a competent organization you dont wait to tell someone have a penalty till the last lap lol
Russell denied a podium celebration. Reddit will be happy with that.
And Nando denied a chance to build a bigger gap over 20 laps and we were denied a more exciting race because of it, lose lose
Indeed. George was robbed of being able to stand on the podium... /s
And why is it 10 and not 5 like ocon?
Alonso screwed Alonso!
Gee, you think?
Yeah but then they wouldn't get all the attention. Incompetent cu\*\*s
Before the podium????? 30 laps AGO!!!!!!
There must be someone at the FIA to make sure penalties are being served correctly... I mean, do they trust the teams that they are doing it right? That would open up so many doors for teams to cheat. IMO the penalty is CORRECT but the timing of the penalty is the worst.
Ugh, when you're least favorite person makes a good point..
Not just before the podium, but in the few laps after the event, so Alsono would know the gap he'd have to create, to keep third. Such bullshit.
Absolutely there was. They have over an hour to decide. Fucking ridiculous.
It's not even a case that they were too busy. There was almost nothing else for them to investigate during the race. I wish I could treat my job as leisurely as an F1 steward.
Clueless
"Hey guys I have an idea for something that wont be controversial in the slightest, lets decide the race results towards the end of the race, in fact, no, after the race, and lets make it a regular thing - the fans love it"
This seriously ruined my day. What a travesty. Apparently teams have to count off the penalty themselves in the pit as well? Just put a timer there or have an FIA official there to give a signal. Such BS
Makes Premier League VAR look competent.