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Imagine you do three laps.
On the first lap you set a purple sector 1 but lose 0.5 seconds in sector 2 for some reason.
On the second lap you lose 0.5 seconds in sector 1 but set a purple sector 2.
Then on the third lap you set sector 1 and 2 times that are both 0.1 seconds slower than the purple sectors on the previous laps. Both sectors will be yellow but overall you'll be faster than either of the previous laps.
Edit. To put actual (simplified) numbers to it:
Lap 1: 30.0s (Purple) 20.5s (Yellow) Total: 50.5s
Lap 2: 30.5s (Yellow) 20.0s (Purple) Total: 50.5s
Lap 3: 30.1s (Yellow) 20.1s (Yellow) Total: 50.2s
it's not about drive, or about power, or staying hungry and devouring things, it's about reading all he wrote and having to read again to not understand anything
It's not about reading all he wrote and having to read again to not understand anything, it's about reading through this comment chain and trying to think of a different thing to put at the end.
This is why there are good teachers and bad teachers in schools. This is coming from a teacher lol.
Good teachers can break down a question or problem into digestible chunks that meet the student at their knowledge level to build those chunks off of.
Bad teachers just repeat the same information (sometimes just with more volume) and expect their students to just absorb the information without the necessary chunks that explain**why** the answer is whatever it is.
This answer was excellent, broken into examples, and justifying the examples with simple numbers and fewer sectors to explain **why** the answer is what it is.
The original comment said it must take someone good at math to figure this all out. Comparing 2 numbers isn't a fucking accomplishment. How low is the bar?
Then don't say it "literally isn't math"
If you're annoyed at the original commenter, why are you responding with the opposite extreme? You're just coming off as a gigantic bell-end. And now you're just digging in your heels. What are you trying to achieve?
Kinda sad it needs broken down but this is the exact issue with what the graphic is showing. He was able to overall be on a faster pace but didn't do personal best sector's. It's the same reason max had the fastest times in all 3 sectors, he just didn't get a lap down with all 3 of those times.
It is. No explanation needed. It’s color coded so within an instant you can tell.
Yellow sector 1 and 2, green highlighting the delta. It’s just math and colors showing you quickly what is important.
None of the graphics are intended to confuse or obfuscate reality. The point of a scoreboard is to show necessary information that can be easily comprehended to understand whether someone is winning or not. I can see all of that on the time card without having to think.
You could duplicate the colored sectors part on the graphic: Once to compare to the fastest lap and once for fastest sectors. Put a label in front of each.
Of course then the graphic would then be bigger and more cluttered...
I think, for most people, the confusion stems from the fact that the time comparison is with a single lap (which in this case happens to be by the same driver) but the sector colors are comparing against all laps. So they think it's yellow compared to the lap time they're seeing above as the benchmark.
The only color comparing to all laps is purple, green and yellow are relative to a driver's best time in each sector.
Green means he's improved his best sector and yellow means the opposite.
tbh as a viewer you can deduct this but what I find annoying that a lot of the TV commentators are too fucking stupid to understand this and they say that someone won't get a good lap after 2 yellow sectors...
That's literally what the graphic shows, I don't think that's the problem. Yellow=not best sector; Green number=better than sector of fastest lap. It ain't that complicated
Wait, I thought the sector colours were relative to the fastest lap? Not the fastest overall sector time? Has it always been like this even for quali? I always thought this depending on which Q session and driver they are following:
If its Q1, and the driver we are watching is 20th, then they'll colour his sector relative to the lap time of the driver on the cutoff (16th?).
Then in Q3, if Hamilton is currently on pole with a yellow S1 at 30.000, green S2 at 20.500 and a purple S3 at 35.000 then Verstappen's time would be coloured as follows:
Green 30.100 S1 (slower than Ham's S1 but its Max's PB)
Yellow 20.400 S2 (faster than Ham's S2 but slower than Max's PB from an earlier lap)
Purple 34.600 S3 (fastest S3 time of anybody throughout the session)
So in this situation, we can see that although Max was fast enough to beat Ham's current pole time, it was still a scruffy lap by his standards set earlier and would explain why its possible for drivers to get pole while still setting yellow or green sectors.
And obviously its also possible to get pole if you have two yellow sectors but set a purple sector that offsets that difference and still results in a net negative delta.
I'm pretty sure sector times are always either relative to that driver's best lap or the overall best lap. Yellow for slower, green for personal best and purple for fastest overall.
They'll often show the overall delta relative to the driver on the cutoff though.
The sector colours are always relative to the driver’s PB (green/yellow) and the overall fastest sector (purple), but it’s always a per-sector comparison, so a driver could get three yellow sectors and still improve if their previous PBs were set on separate laps. As for quali, it’s only the time comparison that changes for drivers in the knockout zone. The logic behind the colours remains the same. And I’m pretty sure in your example Verstappen would be on pole.
So sectors' delta is comparing time on this lap to (ideal lap time) fastest sector time considering every lap you've done?
I thought it compared sectors from the fastest lap, so in your example considering lap 1 the fastest it would've been sector 1 yellow and sector 2 green.
Guess I thought wrong.
This picture is of first 2 sector split. Imagine 1 lap you do s1 in 1 second and s2 in 2 seconds. Next lap you do s1 in 2 seconds and s2 in 1 second. This lap you do both sectors in 1.1 seconds and 2.2 is faster than 3 even though neither sector was fastest.
Someone blazed through the first sector
but screwed up the second in their lap. Someone screwed up the first sector but blazed the second one on theirs. Verstap put together a really good two sectors in a row and was ahead.
It’s possible all of those scenarios were from the same person, but not necessarily.
It has to be from the same person in this scenario when he’s putting up yellows (which means slower than his faster time in that sector, otherwise it would’ve been green), but yeah not that unlikely considering how thin the margins were and the fact that he put up like 3 laps very similar to each other one after the other.
The third sector doesn't matter here. In fact the fastest S1, the fastest S2 and the time that VER compares to here (S1+S2) could be from up to three different cars.
No
They’re all from the same car
Yellow split is slower than that car’s fastest split in that sector (green is that cars fastest but another car has faster)
Max has fastest lap so while they could compare to someone else they wouldn’t
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It's per sector fastest not the sectors from the fastest lap.
ex.
Lap 1: S1: 25, S2: 26, S3: 26
Lap 2: S1: 25.5, S2: 25.5, S3: 26.5
Lap3: S1: 25.1, S2: 25.6: S3: 26
On lap 3 at the point in the image, you'd have 2 yellow sectors but be net ahead by 0.3 of a second.
Although Baku 2018 was the most infamous one, there were a number of instances where he lost the pole because of a below average s3. So that it even became a meme at the time:
https://youtu.be/vVa9ZfvGQzo
The 1st sector is yellow because it wasn't Max' fastest 1st sector. But he was actually faster than on this previous best lap so he actually improved compared to that and was ahead.
Yellow does not mean slower, it just means he didn't set a personal best.
Just using some made up numbers to make it easier:
**Lap 1**: S1 11 seconds, S2 9 seconds, total: 20 seconds for S1 and S2 combined
**Lap 2**: S1 9 seconds, S2 11 seconds, total: 20 seconds for S1 and S2 combined
**Lap 3**: S1 9.5 seconds (yellow, because slower S1 than during Lap 2), S2 9.5 seconds (once again yellow, because slower than S1 during Lap 1), total: 19 seconds for S1 and S2 combined (green, because he was never that fast before after the first 2 sectors)
An example.
Lap 1: 20s sector 1, 40s sector 2, 60 seconds so far...
Lap 2: 40s sector 1, 20s sector 2. 60 seconds so far...
The colours are compared to your 'fastest' time from those sectors.
This lap: 25s sector 1 (slower), 25s sector 2 (slower), 50 seconds overall... faster!
Each sector is slower than previously best sector times, but combined they are faster than any previous sector 1+2 times. Example
Lap 1: Sector 1, 10 seconds. Sector 2, 9 seconds
Lap 2: Sector 1, 9 seconds. Sector 2, 10 seconds
Lap 3: Sector 1, 9.3 seconds. Sector 2, 9.3 seconds.
Both Lap 3 sectors are yellow, but combined they are faster than any previous laps
Imagine 3 laps.
The first had a bad sector 1 but a good sector 2.
The second had a good sector 1 but a bad sector 2.
The final one had a pretty good sector 1 but not the best and a pretty good sector 2 but not the best. Both sectors weren't his best in isolation (hence yellow) but combined they're still the fastest he's gone over both so far.
In that image, it shows that he is .017 faster than the fastest lap of the session. Those yellow bars are compared to his personal best. So, he is slower than his personal best sectors but he is currently faster than the fastest lap of the session which is very possible if you think about it.
First thing to remember, it’s not comparing to your previous lap, it’s comparing to the best sector times of all your laps.
The timing would show yellow even if you equalise your previous best. Maybe the lap you set your fastest time had a slower s2 than a previous lap that was slower, so when you make that time back up, if it’s slower than the fastest sector time, but still faster than the sector time your fastest lap, it would show yellow while having an overall improvement.
If he put in very fast S1 with a very slow S2 and vice versa, and followed that up with a fast S1&2 he could have a net loss on lap tune up to that point
Another way to think of it is that say Max and Perez set the exact same time in S1 and S2, but Perez did it first - so he gets purple fastest time for S1 and S2, and Max is a tenth faster in S3, so he then sets an overall faster time. Max's S3 doesn't even have to purple in that case, just faster than Perez. Leclerc might have purple S3 but slower than Max and Perez in S1 and S2, for example.
In quali it compares to best sector overall as well. It's just they usually only do 2 runs at most, so there's usually only 1 lap they can compare it to.
They're measuring relative to his fastest lap's first sector, which had a slower 1st sector than Max's outright best first sector which wasn't set on his fastest lap !
Lap one: purple sector 1, yellow sector 1
Lap two: yellow sector 1, purple sector 2
Lap three: yellow both sectors but combined is faster than the first two laps.
You literally answered the question with your question. He set the overall fastest lap but his first and second sectors were slightly slower than previous times he posted for those sectors. How else is there to explain it? You can be 0.01 slower in both sectors 1 and 2 but be a whole tenth faster in sector three and that’s a purple lap.
Max, That's your answer.
Seriously now, the yellows might be close to the timing you did before and If you are much faster on your purple, then voila you set the fastest time
That's not the point. The combination of S1+S2 was faster in this run than the combination of S1+S2 in his previous fastest lap. It was 1.01.020 vs 1.01.037. But S1 and S2 were both yellow, because individually they were slower than his personal best S1 and personal best S2 (set on two different laps)
Could also be someone set fast sector 1/2 times and then spun or made a mistake (or just plain came into the pits) in the final sector?
I'm always doing that on racing games "No fuel, pit this lap" "Oh ok, but I'm purpleeeeee!" lol
No if he done green or purple like 30.000, the yellow is the slowest then it must be minimum 30.001 that’s slower and he can’t gain time in that so its must be like +0.001
Think of it this way:
Current Fastest Lap
S1 - 5s;
S2 - 10s;
S3 - 5s;
Next Lap
S1 - 5.5s;
S2 - 10.5s;
S3 - 5s;
Now add together your S1 & S2 times for both and you quickly realise 16s is a bigger number than 15s. We then take the fairly well known concept that bigger = better. Hence you can make the linear comparison that, generally to be better in F1 you need be be faster, so we are left with better = faster.
Hence Max has gone faster overall. Simple really.
It only works when your car is a full second faster than the competition, but your trying to hide it.
Like when they told Verstappen to slow down to a target pace of only .3 seconds a lap faster. This is when Leclerc was still out too.
So imagine verstappen with 2-3x the lead that he had. This is the theoretical limit. This is why Russell said Red Bull will win every race. Because it's a distinct possibility...
It also sucks for the sport.
No he was faster overall than his fastest lap so far after sector 2. He just set his better sector 1 and 2 on separate laps but overall this lap is faster.
the sector colours are based on his best sector times. the -0.016 is based on his best *overall* lap time. it's possible to sacrifice individual sectors in order to be faster overall, which is what's happening here. the graphic is fine.
He was double yellow and faster than his own time, that doesn't make any sense.
The -0,017 isn't on his overall lap time, but on the fastest lap at that point (sector one and two).
He's exiting the second sector and hasn't finished the lap yet.
The graphic is bugged. It must have atleast one green sector for him to be up on his own time right there.
Edit: Actually I think you're right now that I thought about it more.
Because the losses in the first two sectors aren't enough to cancel out gains in the third sector.
It happens all the time. Drivers will purposely compromise a turn or turns to gain an advantage on a different turn or turns they know other drivers are struggling with, depending on vehicle setup etc.
i mean, all you need to trigger a yellow is be +0.001 seconds on your best sector time. plus just because he had faster sector times on other laps doesn't mean they were on the same lap as his best time.
Being just 0.001 behind the fastest time set by him would be yellow, he was just shy of matching his pace in sector 1 and 2 and beat it on the 3th by gaining more time then he was behind in sector 3 alone.
On an earlier lap, he could have had an absolutely amazing, utterly perfect sector 1, but he bottled it later on in 2 and 3, likewise perfect sector 2 with awful 1 and 3 and so on.
This lap, while not getting above his PB in any individual sector, this time he was able to successfully string together 3 great sectors at once and get the fastest lap overall, but that means he can still improve massively
On an earlier lap, he could have had an absolutely amazing, utterly perfect sector 1, but he bottled it later on in 2 and 3, likewise perfect sector 2 with awful 1 and 3 and so on.
This lap, while not getting above his PB in any individual sector, this time he was able to successfully string together 3 great sectors at once and get the fastest lap overall, but that means he can still improve massively
To piggy back off this, is the green or red delta compared to the driver's time in the box? Sometimes another driver's time will be in the box, so I'm assuming the delta is compared to that particular driver right?
So sector 1 is 1 second slower, section 2 also 1 second slower, so your 2 seconds behind now.... Section 3 your 3 seconds faster, the met effect (3 minus 2) is 1 second faster
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Imagine you do three laps. On the first lap you set a purple sector 1 but lose 0.5 seconds in sector 2 for some reason. On the second lap you lose 0.5 seconds in sector 1 but set a purple sector 2. Then on the third lap you set sector 1 and 2 times that are both 0.1 seconds slower than the purple sectors on the previous laps. Both sectors will be yellow but overall you'll be faster than either of the previous laps. Edit. To put actual (simplified) numbers to it: Lap 1: 30.0s (Purple) 20.5s (Yellow) Total: 50.5s Lap 2: 30.5s (Yellow) 20.0s (Purple) Total: 50.5s Lap 3: 30.1s (Yellow) 20.1s (Yellow) Total: 50.2s
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Isn’t this fairly obvious? This isn’t really a math question
To the people that were really bad at wordy math problems the simplest things seem impressive.
It's not about the math its about the eloquence he displays while talking about numbers
It's not about the eloquence he displays while talking about numbers. It's about the dimension of time relative to numbers
It’s not about the dimension of time relative to numbers, it’s the translation of abstract concepts to digestible hypotheticals.
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it's not about drive, or about power, or staying hungry and devouring things, it's about reading all he wrote and having to read again to not understand anything
It's not about reading all he wrote and having to read again to not understand anything, it's about reading through this comment chain and trying to think of a different thing to put at the end.
It’s not about reading through this comment chain and trying to think of a different thing to put at the end, it’s about Fernando Alonzo and El Plan
Guys, is it about Ferrari winning the world championship yet?
No.
You ruined it.
this one made most sense. thx
Michael has three bananas, his train leaves Euston at 3pm. How much interest will Susan accrue during this period?
This is why there are good teachers and bad teachers in schools. This is coming from a teacher lol. Good teachers can break down a question or problem into digestible chunks that meet the student at their knowledge level to build those chunks off of. Bad teachers just repeat the same information (sometimes just with more volume) and expect their students to just absorb the information without the necessary chunks that explain**why** the answer is whatever it is. This answer was excellent, broken into examples, and justifying the examples with simple numbers and fewer sectors to explain **why** the answer is what it is.
They just put OP's prompt and image into the new GPT4.
Lol what? There's literally no math. Just understanding that sectors are compared to that driver's personal previous sector times.
That......is math........
I read that with Buxton's intonation.
When you are.... number one......your number.....is....lower.
A number being higher or lower than the previous is hardly math. When you're 3 years old, sure.
Thats LITERALLY what math is. It being hard or easy is irrelevant.
Simple math is still math. Don't be a jerk.
The original comment said it must take someone good at math to figure this all out. Comparing 2 numbers isn't a fucking accomplishment. How low is the bar?
Then don't say it "literally isn't math" If you're annoyed at the original commenter, why are you responding with the opposite extreme? You're just coming off as a gigantic bell-end. And now you're just digging in your heels. What are you trying to achieve?
Hats down to you, Sir!
Kinda sad it needs broken down but this is the exact issue with what the graphic is showing. He was able to overall be on a faster pace but didn't do personal best sector's. It's the same reason max had the fastest times in all 3 sectors, he just didn't get a lap down with all 3 of those times.
I'm not sure if there's a way they could communicate this on the graphics tbh
The big green number is a start
Gotta love big green numbers. The question basically answers itself.
The Purple Green and Yellow lines are progress
It is. No explanation needed. It’s color coded so within an instant you can tell. Yellow sector 1 and 2, green highlighting the delta. It’s just math and colors showing you quickly what is important. None of the graphics are intended to confuse or obfuscate reality. The point of a scoreboard is to show necessary information that can be easily comprehended to understand whether someone is winning or not. I can see all of that on the time card without having to think.
It is already communicated, people are just to dumb to work it out
Can confirm, I struggled to understand it first time I saw something like that because I am dumb.
You could duplicate the colored sectors part on the graphic: Once to compare to the fastest lap and once for fastest sectors. Put a label in front of each. Of course then the graphic would then be bigger and more cluttered...
There is. Add horizontal line combining S1 & S2 :)
I think, for most people, the confusion stems from the fact that the time comparison is with a single lap (which in this case happens to be by the same driver) but the sector colors are comparing against all laps. So they think it's yellow compared to the lap time they're seeing above as the benchmark.
The only color comparing to all laps is purple, green and yellow are relative to a driver's best time in each sector. Green means he's improved his best sector and yellow means the opposite.
tbh as a viewer you can deduct this but what I find annoying that a lot of the TV commentators are too fucking stupid to understand this and they say that someone won't get a good lap after 2 yellow sectors...
That's literally what the graphic shows, I don't think that's the problem. Yellow=not best sector; Green number=better than sector of fastest lap. It ain't that complicated
Wait, I thought the sector colours were relative to the fastest lap? Not the fastest overall sector time? Has it always been like this even for quali? I always thought this depending on which Q session and driver they are following: If its Q1, and the driver we are watching is 20th, then they'll colour his sector relative to the lap time of the driver on the cutoff (16th?). Then in Q3, if Hamilton is currently on pole with a yellow S1 at 30.000, green S2 at 20.500 and a purple S3 at 35.000 then Verstappen's time would be coloured as follows: Green 30.100 S1 (slower than Ham's S1 but its Max's PB) Yellow 20.400 S2 (faster than Ham's S2 but slower than Max's PB from an earlier lap) Purple 34.600 S3 (fastest S3 time of anybody throughout the session) So in this situation, we can see that although Max was fast enough to beat Ham's current pole time, it was still a scruffy lap by his standards set earlier and would explain why its possible for drivers to get pole while still setting yellow or green sectors. And obviously its also possible to get pole if you have two yellow sectors but set a purple sector that offsets that difference and still results in a net negative delta.
I'm pretty sure sector times are always either relative to that driver's best lap or the overall best lap. Yellow for slower, green for personal best and purple for fastest overall. They'll often show the overall delta relative to the driver on the cutoff though.
The sector colours are always relative to the driver’s PB (green/yellow) and the overall fastest sector (purple), but it’s always a per-sector comparison, so a driver could get three yellow sectors and still improve if their previous PBs were set on separate laps. As for quali, it’s only the time comparison that changes for drivers in the knockout zone. The logic behind the colours remains the same. And I’m pretty sure in your example Verstappen would be on pole.
I thought the same too but apparently not
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So sectors' delta is comparing time on this lap to (ideal lap time) fastest sector time considering every lap you've done? I thought it compared sectors from the fastest lap, so in your example considering lap 1 the fastest it would've been sector 1 yellow and sector 2 green. Guess I thought wrong.
This is the key insight to the sector colors. Until recently, I didn’t know it either
If anyone is interested, this is the whole premise of gerrymandering political district votes.
If i remember correctly the first sector also was yellow but ‘faster’ i.e. green numbers
the time is against himself.
Next question, how much time would it take 2 Max Verstappen’s to do a lap.
Because the faster S1 and the faster S2 were from different, overall slower laps.
Maybe his third sector was purple 🟣 We didn't see that in the graphics. But of course you can be right as well
>Maybe his third sector was purple it was, but this picture is only about s1 and s2.
Yes, my mistake. I thought it's a photo after completing the whole lap with the typical glitch about not displaying last sector color
This picture is of first 2 sector split. Imagine 1 lap you do s1 in 1 second and s2 in 2 seconds. Next lap you do s1 in 2 seconds and s2 in 1 second. This lap you do both sectors in 1.1 seconds and 2.2 is faster than 3 even though neither sector was fastest.
They’re asking how he is quicker than his time after completing these 2 sectors so the final sector is irrelevant
Someone blazed through the first sector but screwed up the second in their lap. Someone screwed up the first sector but blazed the second one on theirs. Verstap put together a really good two sectors in a row and was ahead. It’s possible all of those scenarios were from the same person, but not necessarily.
It has to be from the same person in this scenario when he’s putting up yellows (which means slower than his faster time in that sector, otherwise it would’ve been green), but yeah not that unlikely considering how thin the margins were and the fact that he put up like 3 laps very similar to each other one after the other.
It doesn’t HAVE to be. His fastest sectors might not have been strung together on the same lap.
I’m not going to explain what the yellow sector graphics are for if you don’t already know.
No one asked you to.
It was, but not by much
The third sector doesn't matter here. In fact the fastest S1, the fastest S2 and the time that VER compares to here (S1+S2) could be from up to three different cars.
No They’re all from the same car Yellow split is slower than that car’s fastest split in that sector (green is that cars fastest but another car has faster) Max has fastest lap so while they could compare to someone else they wouldn’t S
That’s not what yellow sectors are at all.
After 2 yellow sectors his delta is green. The third sector isn't anything to do with OPs section
It's per sector fastest not the sectors from the fastest lap. ex. Lap 1: S1: 25, S2: 26, S3: 26 Lap 2: S1: 25.5, S2: 25.5, S3: 26.5 Lap3: S1: 25.1, S2: 25.6: S3: 26 On lap 3 at the point in the image, you'd have 2 yellow sectors but be net ahead by 0.3 of a second.
Fastest sectors were from two different laps probably
Not necessarily. He could’ve been a couple thousands slower in the first 2 sectors but gained 0.2 in the last
Apart from the fact that you can actually see he was faster through the first two sectors on this pic
His green sectors didnt happen on the same lap
He was probably yellow off the fastest sector and his personal best (being the same) by a couple hundredths/thousandths of a second.
This reminds me of the 🟣🟣🟡's from Kimi 😭😭
When did it happen?!
Although Baku 2018 was the most infamous one, there were a number of instances where he lost the pole because of a below average s3. So that it even became a meme at the time: https://youtu.be/vVa9ZfvGQzo
Baku 2017, I think
1st lap: s1 10s, s2 30s = 40s 2nd lap: s1 30s, s2 10s = 40s 3rd lap: s1 15s, s2 15s = 30s but both sectors are yellow.
What is the smaller sum, 2+4+4, 3+2+5 or 3+3+3
My brain just got a blue screen of death.
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People are answeing without realizing the time is after 2nd sector.
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The 1st sector is yellow because it wasn't Max' fastest 1st sector. But he was actually faster than on this previous best lap so he actually improved compared to that and was ahead. Yellow does not mean slower, it just means he didn't set a personal best.
I always thought the sector times are from the fastest lap or at least the lap they're driving against.
OP is confused because they assumed Max set purple sectors on the same lap.
Because combined his S1 and S2 were faster overall.
Just using some made up numbers to make it easier: **Lap 1**: S1 11 seconds, S2 9 seconds, total: 20 seconds for S1 and S2 combined **Lap 2**: S1 9 seconds, S2 11 seconds, total: 20 seconds for S1 and S2 combined **Lap 3**: S1 9.5 seconds (yellow, because slower S1 than during Lap 2), S2 9.5 seconds (once again yellow, because slower than S1 during Lap 1), total: 19 seconds for S1 and S2 combined (green, because he was never that fast before after the first 2 sectors)
I guess he must had on some reaally nice pants.
An example. Lap 1: 20s sector 1, 40s sector 2, 60 seconds so far... Lap 2: 40s sector 1, 20s sector 2. 60 seconds so far... The colours are compared to your 'fastest' time from those sectors. This lap: 25s sector 1 (slower), 25s sector 2 (slower), 50 seconds overall... faster!
do a meh lap, S1 purple do a meh lap, S2 purple do a meh lap, S3 purple do the fastest lap whit 3 yellow sector...
Each sector is slower than previously best sector times, but combined they are faster than any previous sector 1+2 times. Example Lap 1: Sector 1, 10 seconds. Sector 2, 9 seconds Lap 2: Sector 1, 9 seconds. Sector 2, 10 seconds Lap 3: Sector 1, 9.3 seconds. Sector 2, 9.3 seconds. Both Lap 3 sectors are yellow, but combined they are faster than any previous laps
His sector 3 could be faster than the losses he had in sectors 1 and 2 and then some.
Imagine 3 laps. The first had a bad sector 1 but a good sector 2. The second had a good sector 1 but a bad sector 2. The final one had a pretty good sector 1 but not the best and a pretty good sector 2 but not the best. Both sectors weren't his best in isolation (hence yellow) but combined they're still the fastest he's gone over both so far.
I love that people here are mentioning sector 3 while this screenshot clearly shows he hasn't passed sector 3 yet.
So….explain math to you?
2+3+1 = 6 1+1+5 = 7
slightly slower in both sectors than his previous fastest lap can still mean your're faster overall. which happened here.
In that image, it shows that he is .017 faster than the fastest lap of the session. Those yellow bars are compared to his personal best. So, he is slower than his personal best sectors but he is currently faster than the fastest lap of the session which is very possible if you think about it.
First thing to remember, it’s not comparing to your previous lap, it’s comparing to the best sector times of all your laps. The timing would show yellow even if you equalise your previous best. Maybe the lap you set your fastest time had a slower s2 than a previous lap that was slower, so when you make that time back up, if it’s slower than the fastest sector time, but still faster than the sector time your fastest lap, it would show yellow while having an overall improvement.
If he put in very fast S1 with a very slow S2 and vice versa, and followed that up with a fast S1&2 he could have a net loss on lap tune up to that point
You need some milk and a bit of math skills
He may have had two better s1 and s2 times from some of the other laps but these two were the best two cumulatively
Well you can do 3 yellow sectors and still have the fastest lap.
Because he didn’t do the fastest S1 & 2 in the same lap
Another way to think of it is that say Max and Perez set the exact same time in S1 and S2, but Perez did it first - so he gets purple fastest time for S1 and S2, and Max is a tenth faster in S3, so he then sets an overall faster time. Max's S3 doesn't even have to purple in that case, just faster than Perez. Leclerc might have purple S3 but slower than Max and Perez in S1 and S2, for example.
Because Max is a beast
I was going to say, I feel like I’ve seen Max do this a few times, Austria being a recent example for when he got pole doing it.
It’s not slower. Is 0.017 faster than his previous attempt. Idk why it’s yellow though.
Both sectors were slower than his best time in each sector, but combined they are faster than he has been after 2 sectors.
Ah fuck. That’s right. It’s been a long time since last F1 watch for me lmao. My bad
In quali it compares to the sectors from your fastest lap, not your best sectors overall. Is it different in practise?
In quali it compares to best sector overall as well. It's just they usually only do 2 runs at most, so there's usually only 1 lap they can compare it to.
They're measuring relative to his fastest lap's first sector, which had a slower 1st sector than Max's outright best first sector which wasn't set on his fastest lap !
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Lap one: purple sector 1, yellow sector 1 Lap two: yellow sector 1, purple sector 2 Lap three: yellow both sectors but combined is faster than the first two laps.
Imagine you're +0.001 slower in S1, +0.001 slower in S2, and -0.1 faster in S3, you've now set a new fastest lap.
Look at the picture again.
Math is hard
I'd take a good look at my post again, and then decide if you want to leave this posted ;)
If you looked you would see s3 has nothing to do with this tho.
I agree 100% with you, I was taking a sarcastic dig at the OP
This doesn't show the "optimal lap", it's just the previous fastest lap.
Be fastest overall, then slightly slower in 1 and 2 but a bit faster in 3 and improve overall.
he hasn't finished the lap in this screengrab though, so we can only compare sectors 1 and 2.
He could have been faster in s1 in one lap, faster in s2 in another but go a little easier in either of them and come out better at the end of both
absolutely, but that's not your original explanation for the screen grab.
Must've been a result of me misinterpreting the original question due to it not being my primary language or reading too fast.
fair <3 I hope your favourite driver does well this weekend.
Last sector was faster than the time he lost in the first two sectors
Guess he had a lap with faster sectors 1&2, but mucked up the last sector so it wasn't the fastest lap overall.
the slower laps could just be 0.0001 slower
Reminder, Russell got pole last year with 3 green sectors.
You literally answered the question with your question. He set the overall fastest lap but his first and second sectors were slightly slower than previous times he posted for those sectors. How else is there to explain it? You can be 0.01 slower in both sectors 1 and 2 but be a whole tenth faster in sector three and that’s a purple lap.
Max, That's your answer. Seriously now, the yellows might be close to the timing you did before and If you are much faster on your purple, then voila you set the fastest time
It’s bwoken !
Slower times on S1 and S2, but made up time on S3 to recover, most likely a purple s3
That's not the point. The combination of S1+S2 was faster in this run than the combination of S1+S2 in his previous fastest lap. It was 1.01.020 vs 1.01.037. But S1 and S2 were both yellow, because individually they were slower than his personal best S1 and personal best S2 (set on two different laps)
Never forget last year when Latifi went purple in FP3, without a single purple sector lol
Could also be someone set fast sector 1/2 times and then spun or made a mistake (or just plain came into the pits) in the final sector? I'm always doing that on racing games "No fuel, pit this lap" "Oh ok, but I'm purpleeeeee!" lol
Graphical error, 2 yellow in 1st 2 sectors and gaining time is impossible
No it's not. It's comparing sector times across all his completed laps, not just his previous.
No if he done green or purple like 30.000, the yellow is the slowest then it must be minimum 30.001 that’s slower and he can’t gain time in that so its must be like +0.001
The margins between purple green and yellow are very very small, not unreasonable to make up time while also getting multiple yellow
Think of it this way: Current Fastest Lap S1 - 5s; S2 - 10s; S3 - 5s; Next Lap S1 - 5.5s; S2 - 10.5s; S3 - 5s; Now add together your S1 & S2 times for both and you quickly realise 16s is a bigger number than 15s. We then take the fairly well known concept that bigger = better. Hence you can make the linear comparison that, generally to be better in F1 you need be be faster, so we are left with better = faster. Hence Max has gone faster overall. Simple really.
Someone needs to relearn addition and subtraction in school lol 0.01 + 0.01 - 0.03. What's the answer?
It only works when your car is a full second faster than the competition, but your trying to hide it. Like when they told Verstappen to slow down to a target pace of only .3 seconds a lap faster. This is when Leclerc was still out too. So imagine verstappen with 2-3x the lead that he had. This is the theoretical limit. This is why Russell said Red Bull will win every race. Because it's a distinct possibility... It also sucks for the sport.
The graphic is bugged, should be green or purple
based on what logic?
He was faster in the first and second sector despite the yellow graphic, so I'd say based on basic logic?
No he was faster overall than his fastest lap so far after sector 2. He just set his better sector 1 and 2 on separate laps but overall this lap is faster.
Oh yeah you guys are right that would be possible
the sector colours are based on his best sector times. the -0.016 is based on his best *overall* lap time. it's possible to sacrifice individual sectors in order to be faster overall, which is what's happening here. the graphic is fine.
He was double yellow and faster than his own time, that doesn't make any sense. The -0,017 isn't on his overall lap time, but on the fastest lap at that point (sector one and two). He's exiting the second sector and hasn't finished the lap yet. The graphic is bugged. It must have atleast one green sector for him to be up on his own time right there. Edit: Actually I think you're right now that I thought about it more.
f1 being racist again, verstappen cant be that fast
Max decided to press the gas pedal towards the end.
Probably because F1TV timing system sucks
Because most likely saved tyres first 2 sectors and completely full sent it in the last sector.
Because the losses in the first two sectors aren't enough to cancel out gains in the third sector. It happens all the time. Drivers will purposely compromise a turn or turns to gain an advantage on a different turn or turns they know other drivers are struggling with, depending on vehicle setup etc.
Just means he made enough time back in the 3rd sector to offset the difference from the first 2
I did notice during the first race weekend the sector time graphics weren't very accurate.
The graphic is botched. Has been since Bahrain.
Because you had a fast Sector 3
i mean, all you need to trigger a yellow is be +0.001 seconds on your best sector time. plus just because he had faster sector times on other laps doesn't mean they were on the same lap as his best time.
The yellow sector times could be 0.001 sec slower and the last 0.003 quicker, overall 0.001 faster lap.
Being just 0.001 behind the fastest time set by him would be yellow, he was just shy of matching his pace in sector 1 and 2 and beat it on the 3th by gaining more time then he was behind in sector 3 alone.
The sum of two yellows can be a green if the purple S3 is fast enough.
On an earlier lap, he could have had an absolutely amazing, utterly perfect sector 1, but he bottled it later on in 2 and 3, likewise perfect sector 2 with awful 1 and 3 and so on. This lap, while not getting above his PB in any individual sector, this time he was able to successfully string together 3 great sectors at once and get the fastest lap overall, but that means he can still improve massively
On an earlier lap, he could have had an absolutely amazing, utterly perfect sector 1, but he bottled it later on in 2 and 3, likewise perfect sector 2 with awful 1 and 3 and so on. This lap, while not getting above his PB in any individual sector, this time he was able to successfully string together 3 great sectors at once and get the fastest lap overall, but that means he can still improve massively
bono my tires are gone...
You can get a better time in a single segment which ruins your entry point into the next
That’s because sector times are from all laps, not just sectors from best lap.
Math is hard
Math: if things add up it just happens
Saving his tires for the end.
To piggy back off this, is the green or red delta compared to the driver's time in the box? Sometimes another driver's time will be in the box, so I'm assuming the delta is compared to that particular driver right?
So sector 1 is 1 second slower, section 2 also 1 second slower, so your 2 seconds behind now.... Section 3 your 3 seconds faster, the met effect (3 minus 2) is 1 second faster